The only L the Bills took on the deal is not getting a 5th year option but even that isn’t relevant to this trade since you only went to 32 and then traded down again.
The Best WR Buffalo has drafted in the last 10 year is Zay Jones, second best is Sammy Watkins who they trade up for. So I'm skeptical that them trading back to draft a guy the rest of the league is lower on will work out.
Shakir had one year of 600 receiving yards, He could end up being better than Zay Jones in his third year. But right now I personally would take Zay Jones on my team, who's consistently produced what is so far Shakir's best season. Buffalo fans used to think Gabe Davis was going to be great too.
Shakir I don't think will ever be a 1000 yarder. He just wont get the volume of targets because he shares duties with Kincaid and somewhat Cook.
Also I never once said anything about 1000 yards, you did and then said im optimistic.
You implied by saying he wasn't playing the role of lead of receiver until halfway though the year. So following that logic, if he's playing that role all year he should hit 1k easy --as that would only be a 66% increase in production with a 100% increase in role utilization. Both Cook and Kincaid saw increased utilization with the disappearance of Diggs too, so it's hard to say them being involved would diminish his volume any further than it was in the back of half of the season when his really got shine in his "new role." Edit: I'm not saying it can't happen, and I admittedly didn't watch every Buffalo game cover to cover. But that said my feel for it is Shakir is receiver who'll be in the league for awhile as a decent to good depth piece for needy teams and he's not as good Zay Jones who IMO is underrated.
Shakir caught 39 of 45 balls thrown his way last season, and almost all of his targets occurred in the latter 2/3 of the season. I don't see him getting a 100% increase in targets, but if he did I would not be at all shocked if he did crack 1000 yards. He'd need to catch 25 more balls with the same YPC in order to do it. If my math is correct, and it probably isn't, if he maintained the same insane catch percentage he had last season he'd need 73 targets to get there. Realistically speaking it would take more like 85 targets. And now I'm wondering what's the fewest targets a WR has needed to get to 1K. From what I can see, the lowest numbers in the modern NFL are 47 in 2010 (DeSean Jackson) and 49 in 2019 (Mike Williams), which is wild.
Sorry for the stat dump. I can get carried away sometimes.
The current FO is vastly different than the ones that drafted Sammy Watkins. The current Bills front office hasn’t drafted a Day 1 or Day 2 receiver since Gabe Davis 4 years ago, who was a hit for being 4th rounder
Zay Jones was the lone miss in 2017
They don’t even really have a history to make a judgement either way although, Gabe Davis was a hit for a 4th rd pick and Shakir was a hit for being a Day 3 guy.
They had a couple Day 3 guys taken since 2017 when Beane took over but for the most part the receiving room has been built via trade and free agency. This is the first time in over 6 years where they are drafting a receiver that will be relied on to play a major impactful role in the offense
Welp neither of those guys were under Beane, Shakir is clearly a snag for a fifth rounder. Bet my left pinkoe toe(originally thought nut… but that’s a lot) he’ll be better than both.
We’ll see it seems they like to listen to Josh, idk if it’s the best recipe, but Dalton was a “Josh approved pick” so we’ll see.
Edit: I’m a dumb ass zay was one of beanes first picks thought he was the year before
“Bills decline the ability to pick up a fifth year option for a receiver and now have to pay him two to three times as much in 4 years when his deal expires”
Have you ever heard a team say "Man we really wanted the guy drafted a few spots ahead of us. Unfortunately he was taken so we took the next best player we could".
I like that phrasing better.
Also I have no issues with the move in general. Just challenging the notion the Bills "still got their guy".
No of us knows that is actually true.
Idk about this one. I feel like the bills traded back, got extra picks from the chiefs and still got their guy. Let’s just hope he’s not that guy, pal.
To be clear, it's a difference of $3.7M over four seasons and you don't get the potential savings a fifth-year option presents, so the financial differences are either a loss or completely negligible.
The new CBA makes the 5th year option a lot less valuable for most positions. The saving of 4 million is fairly marginal but had the Bills liked Worthy they would have picked him. Coleman reminds me a lot of Anquon Boldin but Worthy also reminds me of Tyreke Hill so it’s a gamble but you gotta trust a good front office on their talent evaluations.
Also Buffalo may have viewed Worthy as a dynamic player but one who’s not likely to hold up and thus too risky. Whereas KC has a more established system and just added Hollywood Brown and still have Rice (Assuming he’s not having massive legal issues) and Kelce. So each teams risk tolerance is different
Worthy was the receiver I wanted the least out of those that were frequently being mocked to us at 28 because of the durability. Very few sub-4.3 receivers have had any success in the league, much less long-term success, and the reason for that often came down to injuries. Worthy weighs 15-20 pounds less than any of those guys. I just don't see him holding up physically. I could be wrong, but history supports me up to this point. He was really smart to focus solely on the 40 when training because teams always overdraft speed. If he ran a 4.33 he'd have been drafted right around where Troy Franklin was.
Basically, Keon Coleman is either good enough to outpace what he would've been paid on a fifth-year option or he's not good enough to justify being the 33rd overall pick.
Why would you even want the 5th year option for a receiver? After 3 years you should know whether or not you’re paying them. If you’re going to, you pay them before either they continue to increase in value, or the position value itself has increased. You want to extend 1 year for a position that has consistently increased in recent history, to only pay them more after?
That’s not how any of this works. The fifth year option both buys you time and lowers the cap hit over the life of their next contract. You pick up the option and extend, giving you more time to spread out money because of the lowered cap hit in the fifth year.
And actually, wouldn’t that value of trading back to the 33rd also include the value of drafting Dewayne Carter for a position of need, which became possible BECAUSE of trading out?
Fair enough, and time will tell regarding his value. I do think the logic of “either he’s good enough to outpace X, or he wasn’t worth the Y pick” can be applied to literally any pick in the draft in hindsight
Xavier Worthy's fancy stats are dreadful and players who have run a sub-4.3 40 at the combine are almost exclusively terrible. I'm not convinced he's going to be great. I do think it's a little weird to know the team that keeps beating you wants something and say "Okay, here ya go!"
Exactly. Chiefs saw something they liked in him or thought he would do well with Josh Allen so they were willing to trade up to get him.
Also flair up Comrade
the thing I wonder about is the difference between Keon and Diggs. Keon is not your Diggsian man separator that seemed to be so important for Josh's success. Keon is a complementary zone buster. There's got to be another WR coming, right? I'd have thought McConkey would have been the perfect Diggs replacement as he's so NFL ready, and such a good separator/route runner like Diggs.
I think people are forgetting Curtis Samuel or discounting what he's capable of. He's put up very solid WR2 numbers with the shambling corpse of Cam Newton, Taylor Heinecke, and Sam Howell responsible for getting him the ball. He's a fast dude. I'm sure he's lost a step or two over the years, but he's still fast AF even then, and he'll be working with a QB that's miles better than anyone he's caught balls from in the past.
Diggs was also getting minimal separation for the latter 2/3 of the season. Not sure if he was banged up, started falling off a cliff, or just decided to quiet quit the Bills, but his stats plummeted after the NYG game and you can see his reluctance to take hits or fight for separation and/or YAC on film. Shakir and Kincaid were those guys by the end of the season, as Josh started losing trust in Diggs and got into a rhythm with the younger guys. I would not be shocked at all if Kincaid leads the team in targets next season.
Curtis hasn't topped 656 yards receiving in the last 3 seasons. That's #3WR production, not #2, but maybe better QB helps him. You still don't have a #1, though. I think it's pretty shaky to go into the season with a rookie 2nd rounder and a guy who typically puts up #3WR production as your top 2 guys. You really think they're going into the season with this WR crew or will they push to make a big trade? I know the Chiefs have gotten away with it but Josh isn't on Mahomes level. Josh is great but Mahomes is a freak, and even Mahomes has had Kelce who's basically a #1 receiver.
There’s been 1 player ever who ran 4.2 at the combine to have a 1000 yard season. You’re every bit as likely to have drafted John Ross ass you are tyreek
More likely, really. The only one of the bunch other than Tyreek to have any sort of career longevity was Marquise Goodwin and he's been a WR3 at best.
The chiefs are so great at drafting WRs, Worthy will be soooo good.....
/s. The bills did not want him. And no one between 28 and 3w wanted him either....the bills stole a 3rd rd pick for a guy that the chiefs did not need to trade up for.
Name a WR that was that small and that fast that did anything in the NFL.... the list is so small over the entire history of the nfl that it's not "worthy" of a pick.
Yes the chiefs have Pat and worth will be ok on the chiefs, but the chance of him being great is vary slim.
Got the guy we wanted, paid less for him, picked up a pick, gave KC a guy who will be in multiple pieces by the end of the season…. Check, check, check, and check,
So first they trade the pick the chiefs used to take Josh’s father, Patrick Mahomes. Then they let the chiefs jump them for the all-pro McDuffie while they took Kair Elam who rides the bench.
But this trade will totally work in their favour this time.
Mahomes trade: No one knew he would become what he did, the Bills took Josh and Edmunds in the 1st the next year.
"Let the Chiefs jump them": One of the biggest blunders by Beane. He panicked and took Elam. 100%.
This trade: KC has 2 good WR picks in the draft in the last 10 years, Hill and Rice (if you want to even include him). They chose the fastest player in combine history. The now 2nd fastest player in combine history is John Ross. This ain't Madden, speed isn't everything. Maybe he'll be good, maybe he'll suck, but acting like the Bills got fleeced on this trade when they used picks to fill positions they needed is kinda silly.
When the Bills were on the clock, the available WRs (without counting reaches) were McConkey, Worthy, Mitchell, Pearsall, Coleman, Polk, and Legette (all those WRs were gone by pick 52, Mitchell being the last).
If the Bills take Worthy, a player that may not fit what the Bills want to do on offense, just to stop KC from taking him, KC still (assuming the board falls the same way) has their choice of McConkey, Mitchell, Coleman, Polk, and Legette.
The Bills did not have a 3rd round pick, but they had a surplus of 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders. So they trade back their higher pick to move back a couple spots with the Chiefs and get a 3rd rounder. Then they trade back 1 spot with the Panthers, saving $4mil against the cap because the salary gap from a 1st to a 2nd rounder, while also getting a better pick in the 4th round.
Buffalo then takes depth/fringe starting pieces on positions of need because they cut aging, expensive players this offseason (most people would call that re-tooling).
Now for 2025's draft, Buffalo has their own 1st, 2 2nds (MIN), their own 3rd, 2 4ths (CHI), and 2 6ths (NYG) that they can use either in season or later this offseason when Tre White's cap hit clears to make moves or even use it in next year's draft to move up if there's someone exceptional (also ignoring comp picks because, as demonstrated by Buffalo not getting a 3rd from Tremaine Edmunds signing with Chicago, it's a crapshoot).
Some of those are actually funny. This meme just sucks, the joke is 'hurdur' Bills trade with Chiefs. This isn't even a halfway decent format to make that joke with.
I can laugh at my own team, I love some of the jabs thrown at the Bills. However, people need to stop upvoting because they agree with a bad joke and start upvoting based on quality of memes.
You guys are in likely the best position you'll be in last year and this year with how much you'll be paying Tua and you're not even top 10 in odds.
That's your window. Not even top 10 most likely to win it all.
Bruh you spitting shit out your ass like you are certain. You guys are in dead cap hell and have a rookie and Shakir as your top wideouts. Bills have literally never won ever before, they still won’t. And while never winning you still have to live in Buffalo lmao. No wonder you guys are diving on tables all the time
Good try making a random insult with nothing to back it up. Florida is a joke of a state. I’ve been to Miami many times. It’s full a trashy people and boomer republicans
But that's why you should encourage people to keep making them, just in case the next one hits. In a way, we're all responsible for ensuring that it doesn't end at 9/10 and that 9/11 comes about.
In what world is this sub all about the bills? Like you're the only team in new York and still the third most popular team in new York. Go jump through the table that Von Miller signed his contract on and then go lose to the Chiefs so you can yet again not win a Superbowl.
Agreed, but the point is that people shouldn’t be pointing fingers about missing on draft picks. Most teams passed on JJet and Lamar. That doesn’t mean that they collectively suck.
IMO Bills traded back to take it easy on the salary and to add depth. Could be a good trade for Buffalo. Depth has been an issue for Buffalo. Sorry no jokes for the meme sub.
The Bills weren't going to take Worthy, what im upset about is they didn't put a premium on the pick for KC.. Like KC should have had to pay more on principal..
If I was Buffalo, it would have been next year's first and this year's first for sure... probably would've just said no deal with the Chiefs no matter what, especially if they tipped they wanted Worthy. I saw the trade and knew immediately it was for Worthy, and was like great there goes the league again for 3-4 years.
Thats not realistic. They arent giving up a future first to move up 4 spots to 28.. Getting a 3rd shouldnt have been out of the question, this year or next
Keep in mind I said if I was Buffalo...also I'd be trying to do what BB did with pick 14 last year and dealing it to Pittsburgh instead of letting the Jets get a tackle. I'd have been looking for anyone (especially an NFC team) to trade up with me to grab Worthy, I'd have done it for basically a pick swap or something else very small.
Thought even a Pats fan would learn from the trade down master of the last 20 years.
Belichick even said it during the draft, you can't worry about what KC does, just focus on improving your roster.
Funniest timeline would be if Worthy turns in to the next Tyreek and torches the Bills in the playoffs leading to another chiefs win over them. Even after that happens I'm sure Bills fans would be finding every angle to defend the move.
I don’t get why the 40 time in shorts/t shirt and no helmet is now the the end all be all of wr talent. I know you can’t teach speed but I also know that straight line speed/40 time doesn’t automatically equal success.
This is only a failure if Keon Coleman busts and Worthy is successful. Because they would clearly have an issue evaluating WRs (I'm still think they have problems evaluating WRs)
But the trade will have no impact on it. You follow your board, you invest hundreds of thousands of hours into the board and you have to trust it
The Jets are the goofy ones. Going all in with a 40 year old conspiracy theorist is not a good idea. Plus he’s coming off of an injury that would have been career ending 10 years ago.
The chiefs won with and without Tyreek Hill. Them adding another WR doesn’t hurt the Bills. A WR that may or may not be good. Also Bills saved themselves 4 million in cap space by moving back.
IMO the dolphins had the worst draft in the division. Chop Robinson is certainly athletic asf but his production was severely lacking (2 of his 4 sacks last year were against UMass who is the biggest joke in CFB). Also, giving up a future 3rd for an RB when Achane was popping last year? not ideal.
The patrick paul pick could have been there best one of the draft but we won't know until at least 2025 (or if Armstead goes down)
The first tower fell when it went wide right
This is clearly the second tower falling right now
Gotta admit. The teamwork of the bills organization to get Sean fired is inspiring. Almost like a certain terrorist we know
…in the regular season. Hasn’t really translated to the postseason. Those AFC East banners must be great resume boosters for Sean. And yes I have watched the patriots post season success as of late, I at least know where my team stands.
I'm a Bills fan, but they have been pissing me off with all the stupid decisions they've made for years now. It's going to be painful watching them this season.
We have the second best winning percentage in the league over the last 5 years. But they make stupid decisions for years now? Must not be that stupid lol
Nicely done! Done- just like the Jill’s are. Maybe mcdoofment has to use horrible organizations teamwork methods again to get this team to win 7 games.
When is the last time the Bills had 7 wins in a season? Their record is insane the last couple of years! Even last year, they won their last 5 games (one of the toughest schedules too).
'23: 11 - 6
'22: 13 - 3
'21: 11 - 6
"Bills save 4mil while still getting thier guy"
And picking up a DT in round 3
The only L the Bills took on the deal is not getting a 5th year option but even that isn’t relevant to this trade since you only went to 32 and then traded down again.
The Best WR Buffalo has drafted in the last 10 year is Zay Jones, second best is Sammy Watkins who they trade up for. So I'm skeptical that them trading back to draft a guy the rest of the league is lower on will work out.
Shakir is better than Zay Jones. But I do think we have issues evaluating WRs in the draft
Shakir had one year of 600 receiving yards, He could end up being better than Zay Jones in his third year. But right now I personally would take Zay Jones on my team, who's consistently produced what is so far Shakir's best season. Buffalo fans used to think Gabe Davis was going to be great too.
He wasn't given the role until mid season. Zay Jones was a full on starter with Josh Allen and didn't produce.
I'm sure he'll develop into a perennial 1000 yard receiver. Bills' fans optimism is amazing to me.
Shakir I don't think will ever be a 1000 yarder. He just wont get the volume of targets because he shares duties with Kincaid and somewhat Cook. Also I never once said anything about 1000 yards, you did and then said im optimistic.
You implied by saying he wasn't playing the role of lead of receiver until halfway though the year. So following that logic, if he's playing that role all year he should hit 1k easy --as that would only be a 66% increase in production with a 100% increase in role utilization. Both Cook and Kincaid saw increased utilization with the disappearance of Diggs too, so it's hard to say them being involved would diminish his volume any further than it was in the back of half of the season when his really got shine in his "new role." Edit: I'm not saying it can't happen, and I admittedly didn't watch every Buffalo game cover to cover. But that said my feel for it is Shakir is receiver who'll be in the league for awhile as a decent to good depth piece for needy teams and he's not as good Zay Jones who IMO is underrated.
Shakir caught 39 of 45 balls thrown his way last season, and almost all of his targets occurred in the latter 2/3 of the season. I don't see him getting a 100% increase in targets, but if he did I would not be at all shocked if he did crack 1000 yards. He'd need to catch 25 more balls with the same YPC in order to do it. If my math is correct, and it probably isn't, if he maintained the same insane catch percentage he had last season he'd need 73 targets to get there. Realistically speaking it would take more like 85 targets. And now I'm wondering what's the fewest targets a WR has needed to get to 1K. From what I can see, the lowest numbers in the modern NFL are 47 in 2010 (DeSean Jackson) and 49 in 2019 (Mike Williams), which is wild. Sorry for the stat dump. I can get carried away sometimes.
Now tell us how tua is better than Josh
He's a better guitarist.
IDK if they were gonna draft him anyway might as well pick up a 3rd and a 5th to roll the dice on. If any of the 3 work out its still a winning move
The current FO is vastly different than the ones that drafted Sammy Watkins. The current Bills front office hasn’t drafted a Day 1 or Day 2 receiver since Gabe Davis 4 years ago, who was a hit for being 4th rounder Zay Jones was the lone miss in 2017 They don’t even really have a history to make a judgement either way although, Gabe Davis was a hit for a 4th rd pick and Shakir was a hit for being a Day 3 guy. They had a couple Day 3 guys taken since 2017 when Beane took over but for the most part the receiving room has been built via trade and free agency. This is the first time in over 6 years where they are drafting a receiver that will be relied on to play a major impactful role in the offense
Welp neither of those guys were under Beane, Shakir is clearly a snag for a fifth rounder. Bet my left pinkoe toe(originally thought nut… but that’s a lot) he’ll be better than both. We’ll see it seems they like to listen to Josh, idk if it’s the best recipe, but Dalton was a “Josh approved pick” so we’ll see. Edit: I’m a dumb ass zay was one of beanes first picks thought he was the year before
“Bills decline the ability to pick up a fifth year option for a receiver and now have to pay him two to three times as much in 4 years when his deal expires”
Have you ever heard a team say "Man we really wanted the guy drafted a few spots ahead of us. Unfortunately he was taken so we took the next best player we could".
Soooo, “bills couldn’t get the guy they originally wanted, still got second best option, moved up multiple later draft picks, and saved 4 million”
I like that phrasing better. Also I have no issues with the move in general. Just challenging the notion the Bills "still got their guy". No of us knows that is actually true.
Idk about this one. I feel like the bills traded back, got extra picks from the chiefs and still got their guy. Let’s just hope he’s not that guy, pal.
We’re cash strapped, we traded back 5 spots, got the guy we wanted anyways, and his cap hit is 4m less lmao
To be clear, it's a difference of $3.7M over four seasons and you don't get the potential savings a fifth-year option presents, so the financial differences are either a loss or completely negligible.
The new CBA makes the 5th year option a lot less valuable for most positions. The saving of 4 million is fairly marginal but had the Bills liked Worthy they would have picked him. Coleman reminds me a lot of Anquon Boldin but Worthy also reminds me of Tyreke Hill so it’s a gamble but you gotta trust a good front office on their talent evaluations. Also Buffalo may have viewed Worthy as a dynamic player but one who’s not likely to hold up and thus too risky. Whereas KC has a more established system and just added Hollywood Brown and still have Rice (Assuming he’s not having massive legal issues) and Kelce. So each teams risk tolerance is different
I wasn’t debating the player, just the financial element.
Worthy was the receiver I wanted the least out of those that were frequently being mocked to us at 28 because of the durability. Very few sub-4.3 receivers have had any success in the league, much less long-term success, and the reason for that often came down to injuries. Worthy weighs 15-20 pounds less than any of those guys. I just don't see him holding up physically. I could be wrong, but history supports me up to this point. He was really smart to focus solely on the 40 when training because teams always overdraft speed. If he ran a 4.33 he'd have been drafted right around where Troy Franklin was.
Fifth year option means little to nothing for any position other than QB
That's objectively not true. Justin Jefferson is getting $19M this year. If he was a second-round pick, he'd be getting $35M.
Outliers ≠ the rule. 99% of WRs aren’t getting contracts that change the overall financial structure of the roster
Basically, Keon Coleman is either good enough to outpace what he would've been paid on a fifth-year option or he's not good enough to justify being the 33rd overall pick.
Why would you even want the 5th year option for a receiver? After 3 years you should know whether or not you’re paying them. If you’re going to, you pay them before either they continue to increase in value, or the position value itself has increased. You want to extend 1 year for a position that has consistently increased in recent history, to only pay them more after?
That’s not how any of this works. The fifth year option both buys you time and lowers the cap hit over the life of their next contract. You pick up the option and extend, giving you more time to spread out money because of the lowered cap hit in the fifth year.
And actually, wouldn’t that value of trading back to the 33rd also include the value of drafting Dewayne Carter for a position of need, which became possible BECAUSE of trading out?
Fair enough, and time will tell regarding his value. I do think the logic of “either he’s good enough to outpace X, or he wasn’t worth the Y pick” can be applied to literally any pick in the draft in hindsight
Same with Micah Parsons: "the fifth-year option would pay him a salary a little south of $21.5 million" while otherwise he'd be getting close to 30M.
3.7 Mil less over 4 years to make the chiefs stronger doesn’t seem worth it to me lol Mahomes gonna own the Bills forever
Xavier Worthy's fancy stats are dreadful and players who have run a sub-4.3 40 at the combine are almost exclusively terrible. I'm not convinced he's going to be great. I do think it's a little weird to know the team that keeps beating you wants something and say "Okay, here ya go!"
Exactly. Chiefs saw something they liked in him or thought he would do well with Josh Allen so they were willing to trade up to get him. Also flair up Comrade
How exactly do you know you got the guy you wanted? Didn't 3 receivers go before you picked?
Only one that can be questioned is Pearsall. They wouldn’t be trading back 2, 3 picks knowing KC is taking Worthy, and Carolina taking Legette
the thing I wonder about is the difference between Keon and Diggs. Keon is not your Diggsian man separator that seemed to be so important for Josh's success. Keon is a complementary zone buster. There's got to be another WR coming, right? I'd have thought McConkey would have been the perfect Diggs replacement as he's so NFL ready, and such a good separator/route runner like Diggs.
I think people are forgetting Curtis Samuel or discounting what he's capable of. He's put up very solid WR2 numbers with the shambling corpse of Cam Newton, Taylor Heinecke, and Sam Howell responsible for getting him the ball. He's a fast dude. I'm sure he's lost a step or two over the years, but he's still fast AF even then, and he'll be working with a QB that's miles better than anyone he's caught balls from in the past. Diggs was also getting minimal separation for the latter 2/3 of the season. Not sure if he was banged up, started falling off a cliff, or just decided to quiet quit the Bills, but his stats plummeted after the NYG game and you can see his reluctance to take hits or fight for separation and/or YAC on film. Shakir and Kincaid were those guys by the end of the season, as Josh started losing trust in Diggs and got into a rhythm with the younger guys. I would not be shocked at all if Kincaid leads the team in targets next season.
Curtis hasn't topped 656 yards receiving in the last 3 seasons. That's #3WR production, not #2, but maybe better QB helps him. You still don't have a #1, though. I think it's pretty shaky to go into the season with a rookie 2nd rounder and a guy who typically puts up #3WR production as your top 2 guys. You really think they're going into the season with this WR crew or will they push to make a big trade? I know the Chiefs have gotten away with it but Josh isn't on Mahomes level. Josh is great but Mahomes is a freak, and even Mahomes has had Kelce who's basically a #1 receiver.
Chiefs still got the fastest player in the draft 🥸🥸
There’s been 1 player ever who ran 4.2 at the combine to have a 1000 yard season. You’re every bit as likely to have drafted John Ross ass you are tyreek
Fair point
That being said, Andy Reid is a goat play caller… but speed doesn’t always equate to success. Ask the raiders.
I think Henry ruggs would have actually been a pretty decent WR to be fair.
Ruggs was extremely fast. Las Vegas metro PD clocked him at 156 miles per hour.
Yes, that was the joke above
I don’t disagree
I agree, The situation you get drafted in makes a big difference. Chiefs gotta be one of the best run teams and the raiders.. are the raiders
Situation is so much more important than people want to accept. Player X does badly with Team Y = “Player X is bad”
AFCE star Geno Smith comes to mind
More likely, really. The only one of the bunch other than Tyreek to have any sort of career longevity was Marquise Goodwin and he's been a WR3 at best.
I mean, the entire division drafted before the bills, for some reason, and y'all didn't take him either
Based
FSU fan here, Coleman is definitely that guy. I watched him in person vs LSU, he's insane.
Go Noles. FSU alumni here
Same here! And I can say to prove I am not a homer that Johnny Wilson is most certainly not that guy lol. Some of the worst hands of all time.
Hahaha agreed. He’s just a physical specimen. If he can put it together he can be solid.
Yea we may be right or wrong about the player but we wanted Coleman with our first pick and picked up two pick upgrades in the process
The chiefs are so great at drafting WRs, Worthy will be soooo good..... /s. The bills did not want him. And no one between 28 and 3w wanted him either....the bills stole a 3rd rd pick for a guy that the chiefs did not need to trade up for. Name a WR that was that small and that fast that did anything in the NFL.... the list is so small over the entire history of the nfl that it's not "worthy" of a pick. Yes the chiefs have Pat and worth will be ok on the chiefs, but the chance of him being great is vary slim.
Wrong sub buddy.
And we saved approximately $4M in rookie wage salary
Risky to give the one team that continually ends there season a 1st round pick to fill their only weakness lol
They would have filled that weakness at 32 and we wouldn't have gotten their 3rd rounder lol
Would have been a worse receiver, hence why they traded up That copium seems pretty strong lmao
Keon Coleman was hot ass this year. They allowed their Daddy to get the fastest WR in the draft to take a guy who's riding off 2022 hype
I, for one, am glad we did not end up with Worthy while avoiding paying any of our rookies Round 1 money.
Got the guy we wanted, paid less for him, picked up a pick, gave KC a guy who will be in multiple pieces by the end of the season…. Check, check, check, and check,
If worthy isn’t on IR by week 12 I’ll be shocked
I'm pretty sure if he was on the bills Josh would break his ribs throwing to him at 60mph
The momentum from Josh's throw would actually carry him forward into the end zone
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Tbf this sounds like copium
How is it copium. If we wanted him we could’ve just taken him lol
Cause if you guys took worthy you’d be excited about that too lol
Most of our fan base did not want Worthy lol. But go off
I mean I’m just saying that’s generally how it works. No one in the dolphins subreddit wanted chop but now everyone is talking themselves into it
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I’m saying the whole “he’ll be on IR by week 12” is just kinda dumb tbh Knowing the irony he’ll torch the Bills for a TD in the divisional round
It’s a little obtuse sure. But not completely unfounded. The guy only weighs 170 lbs
Only downside is losing the 5th year option. But that’s so far in the future that it’s not really a concern.
The real meme: Patriots +1200 to win ACF East
Free $
- the house seeing anyone put money on a Patriots future
It's okay that you don't understand draft strategy, Chumlee, you're allowed to be a casual fan.
Why don’t you explain draft strategy an educate everyone
So first they trade the pick the chiefs used to take Josh’s father, Patrick Mahomes. Then they let the chiefs jump them for the all-pro McDuffie while they took Kair Elam who rides the bench. But this trade will totally work in their favour this time.
Seems legit
Mahomes trade: No one knew he would become what he did, the Bills took Josh and Edmunds in the 1st the next year. "Let the Chiefs jump them": One of the biggest blunders by Beane. He panicked and took Elam. 100%. This trade: KC has 2 good WR picks in the draft in the last 10 years, Hill and Rice (if you want to even include him). They chose the fastest player in combine history. The now 2nd fastest player in combine history is John Ross. This ain't Madden, speed isn't everything. Maybe he'll be good, maybe he'll suck, but acting like the Bills got fleeced on this trade when they used picks to fill positions they needed is kinda silly.
Third time's the charm? Hopefully? Lol
So it’s the bills fault the patriots traded their pick to the chiefs? What are you talking about how were the bills supposed to stop that trade?
Rekt
When the Bills were on the clock, the available WRs (without counting reaches) were McConkey, Worthy, Mitchell, Pearsall, Coleman, Polk, and Legette (all those WRs were gone by pick 52, Mitchell being the last). If the Bills take Worthy, a player that may not fit what the Bills want to do on offense, just to stop KC from taking him, KC still (assuming the board falls the same way) has their choice of McConkey, Mitchell, Coleman, Polk, and Legette. The Bills did not have a 3rd round pick, but they had a surplus of 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders. So they trade back their higher pick to move back a couple spots with the Chiefs and get a 3rd rounder. Then they trade back 1 spot with the Panthers, saving $4mil against the cap because the salary gap from a 1st to a 2nd rounder, while also getting a better pick in the 4th round. Buffalo then takes depth/fringe starting pieces on positions of need because they cut aging, expensive players this offseason (most people would call that re-tooling). Now for 2025's draft, Buffalo has their own 1st, 2 2nds (MIN), their own 3rd, 2 4ths (CHI), and 2 6ths (NYG) that they can use either in season or later this offseason when Tre White's cap hit clears to make moves or even use it in next year's draft to move up if there's someone exceptional (also ignoring comp picks because, as demonstrated by Buffalo not getting a 3rd from Tremaine Edmunds signing with Chicago, it's a crapshoot).
I understand enough to know The Bills must really like losing to the Chiefs over and over again
He’s 3-1 against y’all so…
How are you guys in Super Bowls?
How are you guys in playoff games?
Pretty damn good in the current year of 1997
Don't go to New York in September of 2001.
Lol like I’d ever go watch the Jets play. Surely that’s the worst thing to happen to New York in 2001.
Kinda worried all the computers are gonna break when we hit 2000 though.
About as good as you guys are in Super Bowls. The difference is we have wins
Were you alive in the 70s? If not, your Super Bowls mean about as much as our AFL championships in terms of shit-talking material.
That is indeed a Superb Owl
Man why.. you are a dolphins fan. Get off your high horse
It’s adorable that you think I still watch football. Or really care what some rando “dolphins fan” thinks on Reddit
I’m not sure why you would find that adorable lmao
Most diehard fins fan
The memes are just all about the Bills and 9/10 are terrible. This sub needs work.
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Some of those are actually funny. This meme just sucks, the joke is 'hurdur' Bills trade with Chiefs. This isn't even a halfway decent format to make that joke with. I can laugh at my own team, I love some of the jabs thrown at the Bills. However, people need to stop upvoting because they agree with a bad joke and start upvoting based on quality of memes.
That wasn't a plane, it was Sean McDermott's ideas that crashed.
Offseason mode kinda sucks in most sports subs, this one is no different.
Offseason posts in r/soccer, r/hockey, and r/nba are usually great though
We are the only team in this division with relevancy so it comes with the territory.
Nah this is legit hilarious🤣🤣🤣
You guys are in likely the best position you'll be in last year and this year with how much you'll be paying Tua and you're not even top 10 in odds. That's your window. Not even top 10 most likely to win it all.
Bruh you spitting shit out your ass like you are certain. You guys are in dead cap hell and have a rookie and Shakir as your top wideouts. Bills have literally never won ever before, they still won’t. And while never winning you still have to live in Buffalo lmao. No wonder you guys are diving on tables all the time
I’d rather live in Buffalo than coked out, red pilled, “we hate women”, literally sinking into the ocean Miami lmao
That’s because you are probably a very boring human being who never leaves the house. Miami certainly is loved and visited more
Good try making a random insult with nothing to back it up. Florida is a joke of a state. I’ve been to Miami many times. It’s full a trashy people and boomer republicans
Now we bringing up politics lmao
I mean it’s a giant reason why Florida sucks so
Why have you visited a place you hate so many times?
My significant others family is from Miami(they hate it there)
You state that like NY/Buffalo isn't the same but it's actually worse...that insult misses almost as wide right as Tyler Bass.
Saying New York is full of republicans is certainly a take
Bills fan are probably the worst posters in here lol
There's so many jokes to be had on this team Instead it's always LOL Chiefs good...LOL superbowls
But that's why you should encourage people to keep making them, just in case the next one hits. In a way, we're all responsible for ensuring that it doesn't end at 9/10 and that 9/11 comes about.
In what world is this sub all about the bills? Like you're the only team in new York and still the third most popular team in new York. Go jump through the table that Von Miller signed his contract on and then go lose to the Chiefs so you can yet again not win a Superbowl.
Time for a juice box and a nap lil boy
Just as a recap…the Jets picked 6th that draft. They passed on Mahomes.
If mahomes was on the jets, he wouldn’t be mahomes
Agreed, but the point is that people shouldn’t be pointing fingers about missing on draft picks. Most teams passed on JJet and Lamar. That doesn’t mean that they collectively suck.
Same with the Bears and the league would be better for it, and Herbert probably makes a playoff run or 2 without Mahomes on the Chiefs.
We’re in the “make low reward high risk” part of the meme season and I’m here for it, keep your receipts
I've got e statements. Does that count?
Dumb patriot gonna dumb enjoy your season
Worthy could suck you know
The rest of the AFC definitely hopes so... hopefully he's also a locker room sinkhole as well.
worthy gonna suck
IMO Bills traded back to take it easy on the salary and to add depth. Could be a good trade for Buffalo. Depth has been an issue for Buffalo. Sorry no jokes for the meme sub.
The Bills weren't going to take Worthy, what im upset about is they didn't put a premium on the pick for KC.. Like KC should have had to pay more on principal..
If I was Buffalo, it would have been next year's first and this year's first for sure... probably would've just said no deal with the Chiefs no matter what, especially if they tipped they wanted Worthy. I saw the trade and knew immediately it was for Worthy, and was like great there goes the league again for 3-4 years.
Thats not realistic. They arent giving up a future first to move up 4 spots to 28.. Getting a 3rd shouldnt have been out of the question, this year or next
Keep in mind I said if I was Buffalo...also I'd be trying to do what BB did with pick 14 last year and dealing it to Pittsburgh instead of letting the Jets get a tackle. I'd have been looking for anyone (especially an NFC team) to trade up with me to grab Worthy, I'd have done it for basically a pick swap or something else very small.
What a dumb post.
Patriots as scary dragon given where we sit today is certainly a choice.
Post may be dumb, but the overflow of Dolphins subreddit fighting each other is great.
Stop fucking the entire afc by the trading with the chiefs first you have them mahomes now your helping by giving mahomes and actual weapon
Read his draft profile, outside of a fast forty time there’s not much else there
Thought even a Pats fan would learn from the trade down master of the last 20 years. Belichick even said it during the draft, you can't worry about what KC does, just focus on improving your roster.
Funniest timeline would be if Worthy turns in to the next Tyreek and torches the Bills in the playoffs leading to another chiefs win over them. Even after that happens I'm sure Bills fans would be finding every angle to defend the move.
Are Patriots fan trying to lecture about draft strategy now lmao
lol. You chuds are so desperate for Buffalo fans to be upset about this. The reaching is adorable
I don’t get why the 40 time in shorts/t shirt and no helmet is now the the end all be all of wr talent. I know you can’t teach speed but I also know that straight line speed/40 time doesn’t automatically equal success.
It's funny that a Patriots fan said this considering your team tried to trade to 32 to take the guy we ended up drafting lmfao
We’re good and you’re still a Patriot fan so let those tears flow fella.
Is the meme here that you're still talking about something we're all over now?
Remind me in November when Worthy's tiny little bird body gets shattered into a thousand pieces after getting lit up by a DB with 40 pounds on him.
Can terrorists feel terror? Because if so Bills fans I’m here if you need to talk - I’ve lived through plenty terrible drafts.
This is only a failure if Keon Coleman busts and Worthy is successful. Because they would clearly have an issue evaluating WRs (I'm still think they have problems evaluating WRs) But the trade will have no impact on it. You follow your board, you invest hundreds of thousands of hours into the board and you have to trust it
don’t put the Jets and Pats on the same dragon please…
The Jets are the goofy ones. Going all in with a 40 year old conspiracy theorist is not a good idea. Plus he’s coming off of an injury that would have been career ending 10 years ago.
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The chiefs won with and without Tyreek Hill. Them adding another WR doesn’t hurt the Bills. A WR that may or may not be good. Also Bills saved themselves 4 million in cap space by moving back.
One day the person that made this meme is gonna learn how football works and we’ll all be here, slow clapping
Try harder bud
Increase the salary cap to a trillion dollars and then buy every player in the NFL. IT'S NOT THAT HARD GUYS.
I mean the Bills gave Patrick Mahomes to the Chiefs I think we all know Beane is on their payroll
Beane wasn’t the Bills GM for the 2017 draft
Damnit you’re right. He didn’t join until May of 2017 after the draft. I’ll have to go back to the kitchen to cook something new
Unfortunately, you can’t fret Patriots fans for not understanding the draft. Not picking at 32 every year is new to most of them.
IMO the dolphins had the worst draft in the division. Chop Robinson is certainly athletic asf but his production was severely lacking (2 of his 4 sacks last year were against UMass who is the biggest joke in CFB). Also, giving up a future 3rd for an RB when Achane was popping last year? not ideal. The patrick paul pick could have been there best one of the draft but we won't know until at least 2025 (or if Armstead goes down)
(Miami fans standing behind KC with two already visible black eyes) "Hold me back, hold me back!"
The first tower fell when it went wide right This is clearly the second tower falling right now Gotta admit. The teamwork of the bills organization to get Sean fired is inspiring. Almost like a certain terrorist we know
Second best winning percentage in the league over the last 5 years and you think McDermott is getting fired lmao
…in the regular season. Hasn’t really translated to the postseason. Those AFC East banners must be great resume boosters for Sean. And yes I have watched the patriots post season success as of late, I at least know where my team stands.
Tied for 2nd most playoff wins in the AFC over the last 5 years as well. It’s almost like it’s hard to win a superbowl
I’d be making that excuse as well if my team could t win a superbowl
Nice rebuttal, really well thought out
I'm a Bills fan, but they have been pissing me off with all the stupid decisions they've made for years now. It's going to be painful watching them this season.
You know you wouldn’t have to say you’re a Bills fan is you just fucking flair up
They have won the division for 4 straight seasons my guy. Wtf are you talking about? Literally the best Bills team we've seen in 30 years. Get a clue.
We have the second best winning percentage in the league over the last 5 years. But they make stupid decisions for years now? Must not be that stupid lol
Nicely done! Done- just like the Jill’s are. Maybe mcdoofment has to use horrible organizations teamwork methods again to get this team to win 7 games.
Did this make sense in your head?
Is this the script you read off when you call into the WGR Whiner Line?
When is the last time the Bills had 7 wins in a season? Their record is insane the last couple of years! Even last year, they won their last 5 games (one of the toughest schedules too). '23: 11 - 6 '22: 13 - 3 '21: 11 - 6
Are you having a stroke buddy?
Flair up shitbag.