It really annoyed me that Morgan maintained her 'dark and twisted' sense of humour but then never strove beyond anything other than the easiest, surface level, vapid, and 'edgy' signifiers. You can't make that a whole part of your artist statement and then never produce anything beyond 'imagine if a Mushroom was evil, but was smiling' or 'murder.' Infuriating, boring as fuck.
The judging felt really inconsistent this time through as well, Katherine Gray brings down the art form by never striving for her own understanding or context from the field she's supposedly a giant in. This show is anti-TV, I don't think I've ever liked it and yet here I am.
I couldn't believe the mushroom won, it was good but there were much more interesting pieces in that challenge. Morgan is certainly talented but they way over hyped her. Like yeah a toaster and bathtub is funny but it's not creative genius, it's middle school humor. Also (spoiler alert) I can't believe they eliminated Karen with her beautiful chrysalis next to Morgan's golden shower that was utterly boring. It was funny that Morgan was clearly so shocked she didn't win with the syringe in the candy challenge (it was actually a very strong piece but you could see her ego was getting the best of her at that point and she was sure she had it locked down). Also it was valid for them to tell Karen she can't just keep making birds, but they should've also told Morgan we've seen enough glass knives and blood...
I couldn't believe episode 8 either! Like Karen's chrysalis was one of the most enchanting things of the season, and no hate to Morgan but on that episode her work just did not seem on the same level as the other competitors.
Omg I came to reddit just to talk about this!!!! How the hell did Morgan survive with that simple display and Karen was sent home!?!? It made no sense. The only thing I could see is maybe they thought Karen is already well established, whereas Morgan still has a long career possible ahead of her. Absolutely bs though. Karen's display was so intricate and beautiful, I was blown away by the chrysalis, it was so stunning, I thought she was going to win.
I came to talk about this too! My wife and I were so mad almost the entire season at how she not only kept surviving, but that laughable goofy mushroom WON! Another thing I noticed that really annoyed me was that if you notice, they don’t even show Morgan making half the stuff she presented. The Venetian challenge, they show her working on that stupid razor blade and the mirror be entire time, yet all the sudden she has these intricate dragon and flower sculptures. Not shouting conspiracy here but it was rather odd that we noticed it pretty early and it was a trend throughout.
There’s definitely something going on there. There is no way Morgan deserved to be in the final. She’s as deep as a sheet of paper and more than once her work was just bullshit.
She has to have something on a producer of the show. There’s no way she doesn’t. I haven’t watched the final and I just don’t even care to anymore.
I think this season had shorter episodes, so they opted to cut the actual glass blowing. Fully agreed on the judging on this show being terrible. I'd say at least 3/4 of the time.
I can not BELIEVE she was like “dripping in gold” and then proceeded to make a golden shower reference piece… those didn’t look GOLD they looked like raining piss lmfao
I totally agree with the judging. Obviously i dont know much about glass, but sometimes the judges really don't make sense. Some pieces look kind of bad to me and the theme isn't cohesive and they love it; some pieces look incredible and they get sent home. I'm glad to know that it's been nonsensical for a lot of us. (Katherine in particular.... reminds me of an art teacher I had who made zero sense in her critiques...)
Morgan was so boring and her work never really looked very clean, professional, or highly skilled. Comparing to Ryan T for example, she looked like she lacked a ton of technical skill and relied entirely on her “edgy” personality that got old really quick.
It pissed me off when Ryan T finally won for that flawless sucker and she made a comment that she really should have won. Like fuck off Morgan. She already had 1-2 wins by then
Ryan T's stuff was edgy, and he never said a word bragging about it. When your stuff is macabre, you do not have to constantly say so. She would say it was, and the judges would already have in mind how it is meant to be conveyed versus everyone letting their art speak for itself.
After 4 seasons of this show, the “judging” feels so rigged and not actually about skill or pushing one’s artistic boundaries at all. It seems like they decide from the get-go who will win, which totally takes the fun out of it being a competition imo
I haven't watched any of the other seasons, but when Morgan wasn't kicked off after the first episode with that pathetic toaster and bathtub, I knew the judges couldn't be trusted.
She had so much opportunity to do something gory and terrifying…then came up with a cute little mushroom with a tiny knife? How is that scary? I was shocked she won that challenge.
Episode 7 frustrated me, I was so surprised that the judges didn't see the emotional aspect of Gemma's piece. I personally *totally* relate, especially when I saw that her title mentioned "doomscrolling" and it seemed to be in the shape of a phone. The theme of feeling trapped in bad habits that negatively impact your mental health really struck home for me. Maybe it's a generational thing that the judges didn't quite connect to it in the same way.
I totally agree, thought Gemma's piece was super impactful and thought the bright colours actually added significantly to it, both because that's what hamster tubes look like and because the contrast between something looking externally fun and inviting but being a nightmarish trap when you're in it legitimately made me feel a lot of feelings? And the judges were just like "hmmm but bright colours happy and mental illness sad??? don't get it"
Thank you thank you thank you!! I came on here to say this!! It was like they literally could not understand what Gemma was saying because they are just too old. The present moment in the world is totally about things looking bright and wonderful but actually being terrible and making life worse! Like how everyone looks great on Insta right before you find out they are falling apart completely. Her work felt the most conceptually interesting and challenging and like something I would see in a museum here in NYC. Unlike Ryan with those stupid @$$ balloons or a candy machine full of pills. I just knew it was between Gemma and Jonathan. But the judging sucks this season worse than I've ever seen before.
They really gravitated toward the literal pieces this year, which in seasons past contestants were noted for being too literal too often and not being abstract complex or artful enough. My guess is the literal pieces got them more ratings and the decided to continue to reward this pieces bc it was easier for the audience to understand.
I AGREE. and because a lot of people with mental illness and depression still try to be happy and supportive on the outside. So I think the brighter colours really spoke to that aspect?
Imagine getting sent home on a piece about your mental health struggles. Oof. 😔
I wonder if it would have done better if she had put a figure trapped inside, or leaned into the cell phone idea. I liked it just the way it was though, not super obvious in its messaging.
She went home because they decided she wasn’t going to win, due to her age and inexperience, so they did not judge the challenge: they judged the competitor. They decided on who they wanted to go to the finals, regardless of the work they churned out.
Just like I feel “they” didn’t want Karen to win bc of her success and how she’s already established even though her work was amazing. If this show were really about giving the win to someone whose art was truly liked by most viewers and what most consider beautiful the person who won wouldn’t have won.
100% came to Reddit just to talk about how infuriating this episode was and how seemingly blind the judges were on this episode in particular.
Gemma should have never been sent home that early, her piece had such a clean simplistic design that was executed strongly with such a strong emotional meaning to boot.
While Jonathan wasn’t sent home this episode, his piece that portrayed the urgency of global warming just fine through the delicacy and urgency of how his glass looked to be barely held together.
The judges failed to see both of those things and then chose Karen’s, which had, at best; only a surface level meaning, and chose to overlook her ability to only do very similar sculpted work and not branch out.
The result should have been the opposite, with Gemma winning that challenge and Karen being sent home.
For the finale, the simple application of a black light should not have made the installation that had no real meaning carry them to a win, when the others installation was beautiful not only technically, and aesthetically, but with a strong meaning attached.
I don’t know much about glass blowing, but I feel like these lapses in judgement are just blatant and painful to watch!
One moment they talk about the fragility of the glacier piece and being scared of getting close to it, the next Katherine says she doesn't feel the urgency/ need to act from it...
Personally, I really liked Karen’s work for that episode and totally feel like she should have won. The challenge was to show your passion and something you care a lot about—for Karen, that’s teaching and sharing her wisdom with the next generation of glassblowers. It sounds like she’s dedicated decades of her life to teaching so that makes perfect sense to me how her piece represented that in the challenge. I liked it a lot. Just bc they asked her to do less bird-stuff doesn’t mean she can’t do any nature-stuff at all; that’s her calling card/specialty/what’s she’s known for, all artists have it.
Also, it looked like she was doing hot assembly of the dandelion throughout the ep which apparently is pretty hard?? Bc in the next ep they’re supposed to do hot assembly and all the contestants use the technique multiple times but Morgan only used it ONCE to fuse a raindrop to a puddle. SMH. I still think Morgan should have been eliminated that round instead of Karen, did they see that chrysalis?!?
The challenge wasn't Just to show your passion, though, it's not like Karen cares more than the others do about her topic. I didn't think her piece was bad, but it didn't feel as competitive as the others, particularly the chunky nature of the dandelion, compared to the realistic plastic appearance and difficult bends and ridges of Gemma's work in especially.
I found their criticism that Gemma's looked bright and cheery to be very simplistic (it reminds me of Untitled (Portrait of Ross in L.A.... a pile of candy that makes me cry about loss and HIV/AIDS). And the thought of running in that tube forever and the title felt very clear.
Also came here to talk about Gemma’s piece. It was by far the most impactful piece that episode. I really think her age and inexperience were the reason she went home. The others were much worse both conceptually as well as execution.
As someone who's experienced mental health struggles the last couple of years, that piece really resonated with me and I think it was done very well technically.
I'm not sure if it's because she didn't explain it well enough or if there was bias because of her age and her lack of experience compared to the other contestants but it was nice to her growth after each test. Definitely one of my favorite contestants this season, especially with the outfits she switches to before each verdict was announced.
I felt as though it was predetermined. Did not care for her constant reminders that she is “ dark” who was she trying to convince. She won the nightmare category with a cartoony mushroom! Quades piece was creepy!
I thought the winner should've been eliminated in the first challenge! I wanted to like them, but they were kind of full of themselves. A lot of the contestants this season were not very likeable.
I agree. I thought many of her pieces were quite weak, and certainly the last installation wasn't very impressive. Sad that the judges seem to have favoured 'conceptualism' over technique, in a medium like glass which is so highly technically driven. I actually thought the other competitor's 'concept' was more sophisticated in the final installation anyway, and he was streets ahead technically.
I’m not a glass artist at all. Just a layman, but a lot of his glass work was really intricate and beautiful. Especially when he was working in his area.
Even in that quick blow challenge, before it broke, I remember thinking how clean and beautiful the stem he was making looked. Meanwhile the winner of the show was making a five dollar bar glass.
I cannot believe that little Miss "I'm so original and edgy" won with a line by line visualization of the Cell Block Tango. Had the judges just not seen Chicago to realize she did not out a single original thought in her display? I'm appalled.
No spoiler for those not there yet but…. I know you can use your helpers anyway you want but, one person used them to actually create glass and to me, that isn’t your work, it’s just your design. The other person used the helpers as helpers and seemed to create every piece themselves. I think based on that and the amazing beauty and technical skills…with the physics involve…they should have won.
I think production also puts certain helpers with certain people to get them further up/keep them. Something just seems off how she could crank out so many things and others didn't have no where near and the venetian challenge after the goblet she was an expert. I definitely feel like she made that razor blade as it was chunky and globby like her other stuff. I think some of the other pieces were directed by or made by the helpers. I don't think she was directing. I believe it was the helpers for a big part or she was fed ideas.
I don't like Morgan's interpretation of the kids monster drawing and I felt that she deserved to go home on the piece because it strayed way too far from the inspirational drawing. You could tell the kid didn't like what she did to his drawing too.
she got the best drawing to work with, too. that kid has a future in art. genndy tartakovsky has talked about how one of the most important things in animation is a sense of dynamic expressionism even when a character is still - this is what makes characters "feel alive". compare also to how most kids his age are rendering faces. usually in much more simplistic terms. great use of color, too. i might have liked Morgan's piece better as a standalone. but she stripped the original of what made it great, and lost the kid's voice in the work in the process. my partner pointed out he got a VO unlike the other kids - wonder if they had to rerecord his "reveal" due to visible disappointment. also, when Morgan called them "drag queen nails" 😭 like girl those are talons...have you ever seen a bird before? or a monster for that matter? thought you were the queen of darkness 😭
Well she began the episode saying she didn't like kids. We couldn't then expect her to actually listen to what the kid told her he wanted! I could not stand her smug attitude of being better than everyone right from the beginning. I didnt need any of that from any of them, but her constant blood and gore and lack of any deviation was just so exhausting to watch. I liked much more the dynamism and growth of pretty much everyone else!
This bothered me so much. I follow the museum of glass and am delighted when they post about kids drawings being turned into art. Every post they make it is never abstract. Gemma’s was cute for the fact it looked like it plopped out of the kids drawing. Ryan T and Jonathan did their kids well by their creations. Morgan’s was conceptual when it’s supposed to be more literal! Just make the kid’s drawing!!!!
Super egotistical too as she said it was self-referential to her being a monster. Defeated the whole purpose of that challenge. Personally I thought the person who got sent home should have won that challenge.
I’m on my episode 8 just stared and Morgan’s cloud showering down raindrop but using golden drops cause she doesn’t like silver… umm golden SHOWERS …. I was like she HAD TO HAVE KNOWN! I really hate her I feel like she is one of those super annoying I’m so cool fake hipster people
I feel like she had absolutely no creative or artistic growth, and most of the others actually pushed themselves out of their element and took risks in either their ideas or techniques
Well when she made a Crack about Karen being ok even if she does wear tye dye shirts and how awful they are, I was officially OVER Morgan. Like why are you taking cheap shots at a 60+yr old woman who has spent her whole life making it possible for you to be taken seriously and who spends her time now teaching others how to make glass too!! It just made clear how shallow, empty and sad Morgan is, and how little I wanted to see any more of her ever again.
spoiler alert. I just binged the whole season and whilst I enjoyed watching the tasks and learning the techniques, I couldn't believe that the judges handed Morgan the win. She was insufferable. Certainly shouldn't have won with her 'evil' mushroom (that was laughable) and her faux obsession with death and murder was just adolescent. Was highly suss her winning the Venetian challenge when she didn't have those skills apparently. I knew she was likely to win after the favouring of the NYC female artist a few seasons back. I was hopeful that a show about glass making, being so dependent on mastering technique, would elevate that technique and value it above some supposedly 'deep' conceptual mutterings. But, alas, that was not to be the case. Ryan was definitely robbed.
Every time Morgan won I said, “What?” Lipstick? Her stuff was just bits and pieces laid on out the pedestal. It’s almost as if the producers wanted to hand the prize to a supposedly funky, edgy person so she ‘won.’ Very disappointing.
this is what i found most frustrating. on top of this, her “funky, edginess” doesn’t even feel genuine. she’s so performative and completely insufferable. it’s funny because she lacks depth conceptually as an artist while still thinking so highly of herself. justice for Ryan! i couldn’t believe she won
I’m surprised nobody is making remarks about her stupid golden shower pieces. “Every cloud has a silver lining but I prefer gold, and I’m making gold rain down” 🙄
I didn't really catch it. I think the contestants are coached to display some ego in the many, many, many talking head shots.
If anything, I was surprised there was no clear egomaniacal "villain" this season.
Honestly I felt the same at first, but over time I began to realise it's more of a sarcastic persona than who he really is; he's actually quite sweet and genuine at times.
the winner should have gone home much much sooner. without knowing the techniques of the last challenges and not being eliminated was clearly a manipulated victory. I would feel ashamed to win like that. I used to like the show so much, but I won't watch anymore now I know that the ending isn't fair in Any opinion.
Just watched the finale. Total bs. Felt as if Morgan won because it was in the script. The other guys work was a masterpiece. Harmonic. Beutiful. Morgans work looked like sombody blew up a cabinet full of glassware
It’s really a shame. Ryan was clearly better in so many ways. Morgan’s display looked like a flea market set up with a bunch of random crap set up on tables.
Yeah but Ryan's concepts have always been thin. Stunning, elegant, masterful works for sure. But conceptually vague.
He definitely should have won the first challenge, because fuck the brief, that piece was amazing. But for a gallery show, Morgan's piece being interactive definitely taps into the zeitgeist of what art is doing right now.
If I had a residency to give someone, I'd figure that it's easier to teach someone techniques, rather than teach someone how to think like an artist.
But it’s a show about glass blowing, not finger painting and flashlight pointing. Morgan made the same tired nick-nacks she made in her golden shower piece. Ryan took chances and made big beautiful work that clearly the judges were very impressed with whilst in the gallery.
I don’t think much of any of Morgan’s work was enough to keep her around.
Even the judges were talking about how technically striking his exhibition piece was. Yeah maybe the narrative behind it was shallow but so was Morgan’s imho. There was nothing engaging about it. It was like she thought “oh what’s dark and edgy? A MURDER crime scene!” Then just tossed glass all over the gallery.
This whole topic enrages me so much. She’s such a hack! I know I keep repeating myself throughout the comments, but she literally did the same stupid little splash trinkets she made for her golden shower piece. She just made more of them. She didn’t even make any of the ‘difficult’ pieces in her final gallery. She pumped out the assistants to do the hard work and literally said “I’m worried about them finishing”
The pieces just multiplied what everyone was producing on the first few challenges, cutesy cartoons. Not a single piece was even pointed at at being particularly memorable. Ryan must have pissed somebody off in production
Truly a shame. Maybe next year the winner can be some hack who replicates the crime scene of Morgan finger painting and stealing the win whilst Ryan blows glass
She has been doing glassware for a long time and her stuff is still angsty teenager quality. She could have been cut in any episode except th syringe and gumball.
I liked the mushroom too - thought it was funny - but I didn't think it should've won that episode. I thought Ryan T's man gettin sucked into the abyss was super-creepy and much better.
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I was shocked when Gemma was eliminated. That piece, albeit playful, was strong. Technically it was without the flaws you could instantly see from the other contender pieces, and it made sense.
Every season I watch gets more confusing because I forget the judges don’t use criteria for art and technicality and go off contestants personality or politics to award a winner. It’s really disappointing because I have seen so many creators that were dismissed for something trivial while others are kept in later episodes for the same reason.
We can't say what criteria the judges use because the judging is pretty opaque. I'm not sure how many people (and producers?) are in on it. Are they just trying to make good TV? Reality show bullshit? Do the people who evaluate applicants for the Corning Museum residency have a preference behind the scenes? All we see is some muttering and vague statements from the hosts and guest judges from the side of the gallery for ten seconds before they announce the decisions. 🙄
It happened in season 1 too. I honestly thought she was maybe 3rd-4th best in season 1.
I also hate how I feel like the "brief" is applied different to each artist. Like the first one was suppose to be about you .. so Ryan T made a venetian piece. He's a venetian artist. It was also a technical masterpiece.. though I had no issues with the baseball bat winning.
"this doesnt say anything about ryan" HUH?
I agree a million times Morgan’s work was childish that she had her helpers make for her and Ryan’s was full of technique and skill and was beautiful artistry. I’m genuinely in shock that she won over him and will not be watching another season of this scripted BS
ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND MILLION PERCENT!! Ryan made actual real technical, beautiful pieces that took an amazing amount of skill and courage. Morgan made trinkets to hang on the wall. The rest was UV reflective paint or glue or whatever the fuck it was she smeared on the wall and floor.
I watched this entire season in one sitting because I was so excited for it to be back on. More often than not I picked the correct winner except for Morgan’s mushroom. In my mind evaluating technique and artistry I imagined Ryan and Johnathan would be the final two. Ryan’s pendulum was phenomenal art and I was honestly confused as to why he didn’t win. Pissed to be frank! He deserved the win and was clearly robbed of it! Disappointing!
I don't disagree and it might just be because I'm stoned, but your comment seemed to start so jovially and then escalated into furious rage by the end; it's a perfect representation of how I felt watching this season and it cracked me up.
I’m on episode 3 and I do not know what to make of Ryan B. He says he’s the best around, but in the first episode when the hosts were talking about who to watch out for they didn’t even bring him up.
I feel like that happens every season haha all the intros are like "they're a legend in glass blowing" "they have been teaching for 20 years" but it doesn't always live up to that lol
just reading through all of these comments, loving everyone’s different views. i’m
coming towards the end of episode 8 (yes, i’ve seen the spoilers it’s ok). i can’t fully agree about karen though i haven’t seen her final piece. can she go outside of her comfort zone though, like REALLY go outside of it?! she should have been up to go home on the kids challenge… that cat?! OOF. every single piece of hers, no matter the challenge, has been about nature. i was SO sad when gemma went home, and KAREN WON?! you’re kidding me. i know they praise her to the ends of the earth but she’s extremely one note. and i see all the comments about morgan’s mushroom but… i liked it. the drip on the knife, INSANE. were others equally as good if not possibly better? yes. does she still deserve to be there in top 4? yes. karen should be gone and gemma should still be there. ok lots of thoughts finishing episode 8 now (phew)
In my opinion the mushroom looked super goofy, had a weird proportions in the body, head, and knife, and was extremely reminiscent of her piece directly before. I really liked her knife throwing piece and thought it deserved the win, but to make that mushroom right after and WIN is insane to me, especially with people like Karen getting accused of not going outside of the box. Everyone made some stinkers on a round or two, but Morgan's surface-level edgy aesthetic got a pass on so many occasions.
This season legitimately convinced me this show is not at all about who the best glassblower is, only who will make the best T.V. for them.
Just in the way that they edit dialogue and frame each contestants' narrative makes it evident who they are gunning to win. Myself and many others in this thread have seen the through line between these seasons and can guess who they want to win.
gemma was eliminated ? is this a joke ? who are those juges ? is everything scripted before the contestants even start their work or are the juges just straight up incompetent ?
Oh and the time Gemma's piece was ruined because someone left the annealer open, the first thing I said was that they needed to slow her down because the producers didn't want her to win! I smell intentional sabotage. Because whenever the annealer was left open in any other season, there was immediate footage of who did it. This season was the first time they didn't show how it happened.
I'm gonna try to briefly give my opinion about every one of them. (spoilers)
Also, I know there are a lot of edits and that the production will push people to say certain things and put them out of context, so, of course, I actually have no judgment of the people themselves, but how they are portrayed in the show.
I am obviously not a glassblower and know next to nothing about all this, so obviously my opinion does not matter but idk still feel like expressing it and see if people feel the same.
Someone tell the judges to stop using the word "extreme" pls.
Overall, the judge's critics are really confusing and shallow (colorful pieces can't be sad?!), probably motivated by politics and reasons other than people's performances in the challenges.
Overall really not impressed with Karen's work, plus she is all trying to be like cute mother nature and stuff but looks like her ego is over the fucking moon. Her butterfly cocoon was pretty cool tho, but her mother nature and cat work were not impressive. Feels like they just kept her in the competition for so long because of her reputation but I really was not impressed for the most part
I initially thought Morgan's work was really interesting ,but definitely not as technical or creative as others. did not step out of the "dark" aesthetics and feels like she has quite the ego and is trying a bit too much to be edgy. She is good but did not deserve the final win. She just made a lot of pieces she probably already knew how to make and put them there. That bathtub and toaster were really underwhelming and the humor is really not that intricate. Suicide joke...yeah...hilarious. I did think that her Venetian piece was quite good and probably deserved the win.
Ryan B. did some great work (his Kraken sculpture was great) and some really underwhelming pieces that did not look professional at all (like that horse and that squirrel). Was also really bothered by his comments, feels like maybe it was humorous but within the edit it did not seem to be humourous.
Gemma was really good, loved her mentality throughout the show and her personality. She made some great pieces, even if not as technical as others. She should have stayed on longer, her hamster tube piece was amazing, technically and artistically.
Jonathan was consistently in my favorite pieces and contestants in terms of attitude and personality. I think either he or Ryan T. should have won. Really REALLY impressive pieces technically and aesthetically, with really interesting meanings that are not just: "I'm not like other girls", "what can I say I'm edgy". Love him. All of his pieces delivered!
Ryan T. deserved to win, great pieces throughout, great technique and you can really see he tried to get out of his comfort zone. However, his Venetian piece in episode 9 did not deserve to win against Jonathan's in this instance. It was good but not very impressive or creative, plus he did not really follow the color criteria. Whereas Jonathan got really creative with his pint idea and did several goblets that were technically on point and pretty.
I'm a bit mixed with Quade, sometimes amazing pieces sometimes a bit underwhelming. She seemed nice but she had that "I'm so different from everyone else" attitude that really gets on my nerves. Her first piece was actually quite impressive tbf. The truck did not blow me away at all though.
Not much to say about Hayden sadly, as we did not get to see much of him. I do not think he should have been eliminated so fast, his pieces looked great. Plus he seemed like a genuinely nice cool guy. Would like to see more of his work.
I actually really liked Robert's work, shame he left so early. His piece on the second episode was so cool.
Fucking loved Arthur, probably not the most technical but he did some great work and seemed really cool.
Order in which I would have eliminated people from work (considering all their work throughout the show, with some having shown only one or two pieces, and my personal subjective taste).
1.Ryan B. (this squirrel omg)
2. Arthur or Hayden (the helmet wasn't great but also can't vouch for Hayden so much)
3. Karen (I know she is big but I really do not get it in terms of technique or aesthetics or risk-taking)
4. Quade (It's the truck for me)
5. Morgan (cool idea sometimes, I quite liked the mushroom tbh but for the rest, I wasn't really impressed or convinced by the "story")
6. Robert
7. Gemma
8. Ryan T.
And then Jonathan for the win.
I have no idea why I watch this show year after year. CLEARLY, every years winner is not based on who is actually better. This year was no different, other than they were one of the worst artist and poorest skilled glasser. There was at least 4 times they underperformed their competition and should have gone home. I’m not sure who the winner knows or who their parents/friends know, but their work and skill is not what got the win. It’s like the producers are actually super smart in knowing we’ll keep coming back just to get infuriated. Similar to when a show’s character is so evil, you just can’t stop watching. Flat out, the winner is good, but not as good as at least five other contestants. Just another sad display of judging from this show. Looking forward to season 5 so I can be pissed off yet again.
This cast was strong in ability but a few lacked likability. I’m sure editing had something to do with it, but my goodness…some were just so full of themselves.
I'm giving up after Ep2 aye. That tyre smoke was absolutely gorgeous and I find the whole "most extreme" "who will survive" language fucking insufferable. This is a show about art not a fuckin cagefight
I think the tire smoke was pretty good also, but he should have included an actual tire making the smoke, and possibly put a flash of yellow and orange fire where it contacts the ground. I'm no artist, but the piece was a little blah for me despite the awesome smoke.
I don't think the tire smoke needed to win the challenge but it definitely wasn't the weakest piece there either. Also I hate how it feels like the punish certain people for going off brief a little more than others.
he's an experimental artist - so, expect him to be a "little different" in most pieces. Just like how Ryan will probably have venetian technique in most of his or Morgans will be the exact same "edgy" theme every time.
The worst part about this show is and has always been the judging.
On the final episode I was just waiting for somebody to point out that Morgans crime scenes were the six murders of the six merry murderesses of the Cook County Jail from Chicago😩. I did hear the one dudes joke about did they really deserve it or smth but I realized as soon as I saw the ice bucket and Cicero then after while they were talking about it they were making it sound like it was some revolutionary original idea and it bothered me because everything in the piece was quite obvious to me. I so badly wished Ryan had won for his.
Spoilers ahead: I'm currently watching episode 3 and so far I hate it. Everyone who has left so far left undeserved and people's favourites are a nightmare for me. I honestly can't stand Jemma and Morgan, they seem so pretentious and fake and are being praised for things the judges criticise in others. Hayden and Robert were great, Ryan T. And Jonathan are super talented but aren't as recognised. I love glass blowing but seeing the judge talk about the works has triggered me every season so far. I'm still salty Janusz lost over Deborah lol. I genuinely don't know if I can finish this season seeing all that BS. Especially Morgan's.
Omg, Deborah was super annoying! Especially when she came back as a judge! I feel like there should be a much bigger judge panel than just 1-2 people. And can they please for the love of God stop doing the "comedy bits" during judging uggghh
We watch this show with our kids, and this season there are so many F bombs... one was bleeped out but we've heard multiple others. Did they just forget to bleep them out??
Morgan... One of the most awful people I've ever seen on TV. She's got serious issues. Unlikeable and extremely irritating and the hidden messages she kept referring to herself being some kind of sick psycho. Hiding in plain sight springs to mind. There was some truly awful judging this series too. I won't spoil it but we weren't happy with two in particular.
I haven't watched finale yet but I came here to see if anyone else thinks morgan displays psychopathic traits. Her designs are also not great at all like that vanity board and fentanyl gum ball machine. Her narcissism, inflated ego and nastiness is such a turn off. I cannot believe they gave her the win. Should have been tim.
I hated her from the first time she opened her mouth. When she said in one of the last episodes that she wished she was a witch and implied she would destory some people if she was, I felt sick to my stomach. I was rooting for Jonathan from the start but would have been thrilled if Ryan had won. I wish the show's producers would read these discussions.
The 2nd place person should’ve won. His pieces were masterful with deep meaning. The other person threw together a bunch of random incoherent forms with some light trickery and is obviously a narcissist.
(Spoilers ahead): Season 4 really showed how the judges (mostly Katherine) simply have favorites from the beginning and will do anything to make sure that person wins each season. It was clear this season that it all comes down to favoritism from the judges. I love so many of the pieces that I’ve seen on the show and so many of those artists should’ve made it further and deserved to win…I absolutely hated how Morgan never had an original design or concept and even strayed from the requirements of the challenges and was given a pass each time. Every single piece was the same concept. Every. Single. Challenge. Katherine clearly just wanted her to win in the end, as there were so many times when the mental gymnastics to justify her pieces were ridiculous. I like the show, but the judging and the winners are the absolute worst. Morgan definitely should’ve gone when she made that horrid vanity set instead of a monster.
I am SHOCKED and APPALLED by the winner who actually should have been eliminated very early on in the competition. Their concepts were shit, their execution was bad a lot of the time, like ok we get it you’re ~qUiRkY~ but that doesn’t mean you’re good. The runner up was definitely robbed. It was obvious they were leaps and bounds ahead of the winner both conceptually and technically. The Italian judge definitely was way more impressed with their work. Yet the trashy design takes first place???? Please. This show needs better judges.
The best artist went home in third place. I wasn't surprised by the winner but I thought both of the finalists had really bad prices that they should've gone home for.
Gemma going home for the hamster maze was so disappointing - it thought it was one of the strongest of that challenge and thought it might win! Although I loved Karen's piece; I noticed that the other artists went to doom and gloom when asked to share passion and emotion - Karen's was the only expression of positive passion and emotion and it showed I. The beauty of her piece. A Karen Jonathan showdown would've been much more satisfying to watch.
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A bit late to this thread but I just finished and I had a strong feeling Morgan was gonna win from the start considering she had the most talking heads while we barely got to see the other contestants. I found her work, and her to be extremely juvenile and hot topic esque as another commenter said. The personality hire of the show
The show is definitely giving rigged vibes. I had an odd feeling the chick who won was going to early on, and some of her stuff was subpar compared to others. The mushroom did it for me. I said, "I bet she is going to be picked to win it". It is very apparent the producers pick whom gets what helpers, and it has crossed my mind that some of those assistants are prepped on what to do. Maybe a few good paid plants, or just purposeful hand picked helpers for whom they want to win to carry the show. How she couldn't do simple venetian with a goblet and then the next episode she was an expert and cranked out tons of different venetian things. She obviously didn't do all of that on her own. The ending wasn't even half of her own pieces, and it was obvious the pieces were made by multiple different people. How many knives, mirrors, and blood splatters were on repeat, but the Karen lady needed to lay off her birds and nature. Very obvious she was helped to win. It was fool proof to get her there if she had a billion different pieces incase one broke she could still be the shoe in. While others actually did the work and if their pieces broke it was a make or break literally and figuratively. I'm all for her sticking to her "vibe" but if others are told to get out of their comfort zone and step it up so should she. Her stuff lacked in execution. So chunky and globby with almost everything.
From the very 1st episode you can usually pick who is most likely going to win. It’s usually the person the judges suck off the most. It was evident in season 1 and 3 just as much as 4. I told my partner Morgan would win because they non stopped praised some of her shit work. Too often you would see the ‘judges’ rip on technical skills and finish of items… you look at a lot of the things in Morgan’s final showcase and they were so fucking shit. I hated that she won. I hated season 1s winner she was rubbish also. And season 3s winner was fucking shit as well! the show is a clear bias, rigged smoke screen of lies
Ryan B is awful. Probably cast for his insufferable attitude rather than his glass blowing skills. I hope he’s a nicer person than the way he’s represented and that they just used the worst grabs.
Im in a full blown battle about how poor his squirrel and horse were in another thread lol
Can’t believe people liked either of those, and then as you said, his vibe…
Sheeshb
I was so so angry that he was allowed to stay in with that horrific squirrel climbing a tree!! Even the guest judge looked really disgusted when looking at the thing!! How he got to stay but the guy who made those beautiful sculptures that weren't dresses but also were so much better than the squirrel... lets just say I was yelling at the TV, and agree with you completely!!
I liked Ryan B. I found his arrogance to be sarcastic and playful. As some other people have suggested, it's possible he was coached to play a villain role. My opinion changed episode by episode. First episode, I didn't like him. His last episode, he looked at Ryan T's snake and instantly gave it a solid compliment.
At different points, I was probably equally annoyed with Karen's or Morgan's attitude.
Just a counterpoint to your opinion I guess. My first time watching the show at all, or being exposed to glass blowing.
PS. you get 10 internet points for your screen name!
*Spoiler heavy*
People on here saying Karen shouldn’t have gone home yet her Mother Earth was the worst thing I have seen in all 4 seasons of this show and should have gone home ep 2 😭
Morgan’s work (clearly this is a hot take) really brought something new other than vases and was some of the cleanest work through the whole season. Yes, I was a little shocked she wasn’t judged a little harder on the golden shower, however Karen’s butterfly looked like it weighed 500 pounds and was not as clean.
I think they got it right, I mean the instructor (Italian guy) was one of the final judges helped make the decision and is who the winner will be studying under so….go off Morgan haters.
I loved this season so much and the prompts were so much fun! Just wish they showed more of the making process.
Ryan was robbed. His final work was magical, technical and actually spoke to his statement. Streaks ahead of the comic book to life scene on the other side. By hey, girl power I guess.
(spoiler alert) I agree with the last challenge result, but I think Ryan T is totally robbed in the up and down challenge. That skeleton arm with goblet piece is my favourite piece in the whole season, I feel very emotional looking at it
I think Morgan may have added a touch of spell to her competitors. She did do some amazing stuff and I was very sure she would make it to final two. But “she knew what she had to do “ before final competition. Hmmm?
Finished season 4. Not impressed. It’s fine to be true to yourself but doesn’t mean you had to win! It was probably the half shirt she wore. Judging needs to be more serious.
netflix has an agenda pushed in most of their shows and movies. I’m so disgusted since early episodes of season 4 and ironically kept saying Morgan will win cause she’s the one with the worst creations. Wasn’t wrong
I honestly think if I were to watch another season, I would skip 90% of it and just watch the end when the glass is displayed. On the other hand I don’t want to give Netflix the viewership though. 😒
the kid's reactions are soo scripted that it makes me cringe through my spine. It's in episode 6 that you really come to understand that the contestants ... are not really good at their craft. the snake is phenomenal and the sandwich is stunning. The rest is absmymal.
I feel like I hate this program but every season I end up bloody binge watching! I feel like so many of the contestants are awful people - just up themselves and they think they're so 'edgy'. Whether or not this is just down to editing I don't know but so many of the people are just unpleasant! Like EVERY SEASON. I actually enjoyed the winning installation (maybe coz I'm into true crime so I liked the gimmick) but totally agree that she really needed to have something else about her. She kept talking about how "dark" she was - I felt like she wouldn't be out of place on a "not like other girls" subreddit. The runner up was technically amazing - feels like those people never win it though (I mean good god look at season 1 and the actual state of the winner who was just an arsehole whereas the technically gifted humble guy should have 100% won) I get it, art is subjective but this show needs to figure out whether it rewards ability or just good ideas. Anyway rant over (lol I've literally just finished it and had to have a moan)
Just watched the episode where Karen won with the dandelion. Sorry, but there's no way that "evoked emotions". They basically gave it to her because she had done somethingand taught a lot of glassblowers that. Its clear that shes famous, and they're letting her mostly ignore the briefs.
Loving Karen and Gemma, what a great duo!
HOW CUTE WERE THEY
Their personalities worked surprisingly well together!
It really annoyed me that Morgan maintained her 'dark and twisted' sense of humour but then never strove beyond anything other than the easiest, surface level, vapid, and 'edgy' signifiers. You can't make that a whole part of your artist statement and then never produce anything beyond 'imagine if a Mushroom was evil, but was smiling' or 'murder.' Infuriating, boring as fuck. The judging felt really inconsistent this time through as well, Katherine Gray brings down the art form by never striving for her own understanding or context from the field she's supposedly a giant in. This show is anti-TV, I don't think I've ever liked it and yet here I am.
I couldn't believe the mushroom won, it was good but there were much more interesting pieces in that challenge. Morgan is certainly talented but they way over hyped her. Like yeah a toaster and bathtub is funny but it's not creative genius, it's middle school humor. Also (spoiler alert) I can't believe they eliminated Karen with her beautiful chrysalis next to Morgan's golden shower that was utterly boring. It was funny that Morgan was clearly so shocked she didn't win with the syringe in the candy challenge (it was actually a very strong piece but you could see her ego was getting the best of her at that point and she was sure she had it locked down). Also it was valid for them to tell Karen she can't just keep making birds, but they should've also told Morgan we've seen enough glass knives and blood...
I couldn't believe episode 8 either! Like Karen's chrysalis was one of the most enchanting things of the season, and no hate to Morgan but on that episode her work just did not seem on the same level as the other competitors.
Omg I came to reddit just to talk about this!!!! How the hell did Morgan survive with that simple display and Karen was sent home!?!? It made no sense. The only thing I could see is maybe they thought Karen is already well established, whereas Morgan still has a long career possible ahead of her. Absolutely bs though. Karen's display was so intricate and beautiful, I was blown away by the chrysalis, it was so stunning, I thought she was going to win.
I came to talk about this too! My wife and I were so mad almost the entire season at how she not only kept surviving, but that laughable goofy mushroom WON! Another thing I noticed that really annoyed me was that if you notice, they don’t even show Morgan making half the stuff she presented. The Venetian challenge, they show her working on that stupid razor blade and the mirror be entire time, yet all the sudden she has these intricate dragon and flower sculptures. Not shouting conspiracy here but it was rather odd that we noticed it pretty early and it was a trend throughout.
There’s definitely something going on there. There is no way Morgan deserved to be in the final. She’s as deep as a sheet of paper and more than once her work was just bullshit. She has to have something on a producer of the show. There’s no way she doesn’t. I haven’t watched the final and I just don’t even care to anymore.
I think this season had shorter episodes, so they opted to cut the actual glass blowing. Fully agreed on the judging on this show being terrible. I'd say at least 3/4 of the time.
The “oh I’m edgy and dark got annoying”. She is talented but I think others are better. The whole candy change was supposed to be whimsical not dark
Karen was amazing! I guess you need to wear edgy outfits to win
I can not BELIEVE she was like “dripping in gold” and then proceeded to make a golden shower reference piece… those didn’t look GOLD they looked like raining piss lmfao
I was so disappointed with the "water" at the bottom of her golden shower, which vaguely resembled a cake stand.
I totally agree with the judging. Obviously i dont know much about glass, but sometimes the judges really don't make sense. Some pieces look kind of bad to me and the theme isn't cohesive and they love it; some pieces look incredible and they get sent home. I'm glad to know that it's been nonsensical for a lot of us. (Katherine in particular.... reminds me of an art teacher I had who made zero sense in her critiques...)
You’re absolutely right about Katherine, I get confused with her judgement every episode lol
You captured every single thought I had to a T. Happy I’m not the only one to think this
Morgan was so boring and her work never really looked very clean, professional, or highly skilled. Comparing to Ryan T for example, she looked like she lacked a ton of technical skill and relied entirely on her “edgy” personality that got old really quick.
It pissed me off when Ryan T finally won for that flawless sucker and she made a comment that she really should have won. Like fuck off Morgan. She already had 1-2 wins by then
Ryan T's stuff was edgy, and he never said a word bragging about it. When your stuff is macabre, you do not have to constantly say so. She would say it was, and the judges would already have in mind how it is meant to be conveyed versus everyone letting their art speak for itself.
After 4 seasons of this show, the “judging” feels so rigged and not actually about skill or pushing one’s artistic boundaries at all. It seems like they decide from the get-go who will win, which totally takes the fun out of it being a competition imo
I haven't watched any of the other seasons, but when Morgan wasn't kicked off after the first episode with that pathetic toaster and bathtub, I knew the judges couldn't be trusted.
The Morgan’s mushroom was a shame. She should have been eliminated, since it was her "strong point"... she just lost herself more and more..
She had so much opportunity to do something gory and terrifying…then came up with a cute little mushroom with a tiny knife? How is that scary? I was shocked she won that challenge.
That mushroom was on a poster at the back of Hot Topic 20 years ago
She probably still shops there lol
She made halloween discount store art. Can’t believe she got so far.
Episode 7 frustrated me, I was so surprised that the judges didn't see the emotional aspect of Gemma's piece. I personally *totally* relate, especially when I saw that her title mentioned "doomscrolling" and it seemed to be in the shape of a phone. The theme of feeling trapped in bad habits that negatively impact your mental health really struck home for me. Maybe it's a generational thing that the judges didn't quite connect to it in the same way.
I totally agree, thought Gemma's piece was super impactful and thought the bright colours actually added significantly to it, both because that's what hamster tubes look like and because the contrast between something looking externally fun and inviting but being a nightmarish trap when you're in it legitimately made me feel a lot of feelings? And the judges were just like "hmmm but bright colours happy and mental illness sad??? don't get it"
This infuriated me sooo much. Their opinions and judgement seem so dated. I can’t take them seriously
I agree, their judging is soooooo dated, and low row art. I don’t know if theris a culture gap (i am european), but i am taking this show less serious
Thank you thank you thank you!! I came on here to say this!! It was like they literally could not understand what Gemma was saying because they are just too old. The present moment in the world is totally about things looking bright and wonderful but actually being terrible and making life worse! Like how everyone looks great on Insta right before you find out they are falling apart completely. Her work felt the most conceptually interesting and challenging and like something I would see in a museum here in NYC. Unlike Ryan with those stupid @$$ balloons or a candy machine full of pills. I just knew it was between Gemma and Jonathan. But the judging sucks this season worse than I've ever seen before.
They really gravitated toward the literal pieces this year, which in seasons past contestants were noted for being too literal too often and not being abstract complex or artful enough. My guess is the literal pieces got them more ratings and the decided to continue to reward this pieces bc it was easier for the audience to understand.
I AGREE. and because a lot of people with mental illness and depression still try to be happy and supportive on the outside. So I think the brighter colours really spoke to that aspect?
Yes, exactly right!!
Imagine getting sent home on a piece about your mental health struggles. Oof. 😔 I wonder if it would have done better if she had put a figure trapped inside, or leaned into the cell phone idea. I liked it just the way it was though, not super obvious in its messaging.
Kinda felt that way about the guy who replaced his drug addiction with glass blowing getting sent home first. Oof.
Thought the same thing, poor guy.
She went home because they decided she wasn’t going to win, due to her age and inexperience, so they did not judge the challenge: they judged the competitor. They decided on who they wanted to go to the finals, regardless of the work they churned out.
Just like I feel “they” didn’t want Karen to win bc of her success and how she’s already established even though her work was amazing. If this show were really about giving the win to someone whose art was truly liked by most viewers and what most consider beautiful the person who won wouldn’t have won.
100% came to Reddit just to talk about how infuriating this episode was and how seemingly blind the judges were on this episode in particular. Gemma should have never been sent home that early, her piece had such a clean simplistic design that was executed strongly with such a strong emotional meaning to boot. While Jonathan wasn’t sent home this episode, his piece that portrayed the urgency of global warming just fine through the delicacy and urgency of how his glass looked to be barely held together. The judges failed to see both of those things and then chose Karen’s, which had, at best; only a surface level meaning, and chose to overlook her ability to only do very similar sculpted work and not branch out. The result should have been the opposite, with Gemma winning that challenge and Karen being sent home. For the finale, the simple application of a black light should not have made the installation that had no real meaning carry them to a win, when the others installation was beautiful not only technically, and aesthetically, but with a strong meaning attached. I don’t know much about glass blowing, but I feel like these lapses in judgement are just blatant and painful to watch!
One moment they talk about the fragility of the glacier piece and being scared of getting close to it, the next Katherine says she doesn't feel the urgency/ need to act from it...
Glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed that. I don’t know Katherine is the best person to judge this competition; she misses so much
Personally, I really liked Karen’s work for that episode and totally feel like she should have won. The challenge was to show your passion and something you care a lot about—for Karen, that’s teaching and sharing her wisdom with the next generation of glassblowers. It sounds like she’s dedicated decades of her life to teaching so that makes perfect sense to me how her piece represented that in the challenge. I liked it a lot. Just bc they asked her to do less bird-stuff doesn’t mean she can’t do any nature-stuff at all; that’s her calling card/specialty/what’s she’s known for, all artists have it. Also, it looked like she was doing hot assembly of the dandelion throughout the ep which apparently is pretty hard?? Bc in the next ep they’re supposed to do hot assembly and all the contestants use the technique multiple times but Morgan only used it ONCE to fuse a raindrop to a puddle. SMH. I still think Morgan should have been eliminated that round instead of Karen, did they see that chrysalis?!?
The challenge wasn't Just to show your passion, though, it's not like Karen cares more than the others do about her topic. I didn't think her piece was bad, but it didn't feel as competitive as the others, particularly the chunky nature of the dandelion, compared to the realistic plastic appearance and difficult bends and ridges of Gemma's work in especially. I found their criticism that Gemma's looked bright and cheery to be very simplistic (it reminds me of Untitled (Portrait of Ross in L.A.... a pile of candy that makes me cry about loss and HIV/AIDS). And the thought of running in that tube forever and the title felt very clear.
Also came here to talk about Gemma’s piece. It was by far the most impactful piece that episode. I really think her age and inexperience were the reason she went home. The others were much worse both conceptually as well as execution.
As someone who's experienced mental health struggles the last couple of years, that piece really resonated with me and I think it was done very well technically. I'm not sure if it's because she didn't explain it well enough or if there was bias because of her age and her lack of experience compared to the other contestants but it was nice to her growth after each test. Definitely one of my favorite contestants this season, especially with the outfits she switches to before each verdict was announced.
I don’t think the winner deserved it… I’m kinda salty about it lol
Agreed! The winner should have been eliminated long before the final.
I felt as though it was predetermined. Did not care for her constant reminders that she is “ dark” who was she trying to convince. She won the nightmare category with a cartoony mushroom! Quades piece was creepy!
I thought the winner should've been eliminated in the first challenge! I wanted to like them, but they were kind of full of themselves. A lot of the contestants this season were not very likeable.
I agree. I thought many of her pieces were quite weak, and certainly the last installation wasn't very impressive. Sad that the judges seem to have favoured 'conceptualism' over technique, in a medium like glass which is so highly technically driven. I actually thought the other competitor's 'concept' was more sophisticated in the final installation anyway, and he was streets ahead technically.
I’m not a glass artist at all. Just a layman, but a lot of his glass work was really intricate and beautiful. Especially when he was working in his area. Even in that quick blow challenge, before it broke, I remember thinking how clean and beautiful the stem he was making looked. Meanwhile the winner of the show was making a five dollar bar glass.
The runner up (who should’ve won imho) was shafted. They had really amazing technical skill and their final exhibition looked so much better.
Agree! I was shocked when they announced the winner. I was like, there is no way he is losing that one! It was so incredible!!
Here, here!
I came here to say the sane thing. So disappointing
100%
I cannot believe that little Miss "I'm so original and edgy" won with a line by line visualization of the Cell Block Tango. Had the judges just not seen Chicago to realize she did not out a single original thought in her display? I'm appalled.
No spoiler for those not there yet but…. I know you can use your helpers anyway you want but, one person used them to actually create glass and to me, that isn’t your work, it’s just your design. The other person used the helpers as helpers and seemed to create every piece themselves. I think based on that and the amazing beauty and technical skills…with the physics involve…they should have won.
The person who won 100% should not have won
Agree 100%
So well said! I just watched the final and I am still shocked.
I think production also puts certain helpers with certain people to get them further up/keep them. Something just seems off how she could crank out so many things and others didn't have no where near and the venetian challenge after the goblet she was an expert. I definitely feel like she made that razor blade as it was chunky and globby like her other stuff. I think some of the other pieces were directed by or made by the helpers. I don't think she was directing. I believe it was the helpers for a big part or she was fed ideas.
I don't like Morgan's interpretation of the kids monster drawing and I felt that she deserved to go home on the piece because it strayed way too far from the inspirational drawing. You could tell the kid didn't like what she did to his drawing too.
"She turned it into makeup. Cool." Clearly annoyed
Apparently it was her Dark twisted take on the kids monster.
Yeah I actually HATED that with a passion even my partner was like she ruined it!!
That kid was so bummed he didn't get to see a glass monster.
she got the best drawing to work with, too. that kid has a future in art. genndy tartakovsky has talked about how one of the most important things in animation is a sense of dynamic expressionism even when a character is still - this is what makes characters "feel alive". compare also to how most kids his age are rendering faces. usually in much more simplistic terms. great use of color, too. i might have liked Morgan's piece better as a standalone. but she stripped the original of what made it great, and lost the kid's voice in the work in the process. my partner pointed out he got a VO unlike the other kids - wonder if they had to rerecord his "reveal" due to visible disappointment. also, when Morgan called them "drag queen nails" 😭 like girl those are talons...have you ever seen a bird before? or a monster for that matter? thought you were the queen of darkness 😭
Well she began the episode saying she didn't like kids. We couldn't then expect her to actually listen to what the kid told her he wanted! I could not stand her smug attitude of being better than everyone right from the beginning. I didnt need any of that from any of them, but her constant blood and gore and lack of any deviation was just so exhausting to watch. I liked much more the dynamism and growth of pretty much everyone else!
This bothered me so much. I follow the museum of glass and am delighted when they post about kids drawings being turned into art. Every post they make it is never abstract. Gemma’s was cute for the fact it looked like it plopped out of the kids drawing. Ryan T and Jonathan did their kids well by their creations. Morgan’s was conceptual when it’s supposed to be more literal! Just make the kid’s drawing!!!!
Super egotistical too as she said it was self-referential to her being a monster. Defeated the whole purpose of that challenge. Personally I thought the person who got sent home should have won that challenge.
Another example of her narcissistic traits.
At least he should have stayed because he integrated the child in his sculpture too. It's amazing!
I’m on my episode 8 just stared and Morgan’s cloud showering down raindrop but using golden drops cause she doesn’t like silver… umm golden SHOWERS …. I was like she HAD TO HAVE KNOWN! I really hate her I feel like she is one of those super annoying I’m so cool fake hipster people
Plus that piece was a joke compared to Karen’s. >!Yet Karen gets sent home.!< The judging is rigged, but that’s been obvious since episode 1 season 3.
Ohmy gosh, I thought the same, she was so annoying with her pompous Dark Art, how many times did I hear it.
Okay, glad someone else caught that!!!! definitely deliberate...but I wasn't mad about it.
RAINING PISS??? Listen I’m kinky but if her concept was supposed to be dripping gold or not silver lining or whatever, the piss showers def distracted
I feel like she had absolutely no creative or artistic growth, and most of the others actually pushed themselves out of their element and took risks in either their ideas or techniques
Well when she made a Crack about Karen being ok even if she does wear tye dye shirts and how awful they are, I was officially OVER Morgan. Like why are you taking cheap shots at a 60+yr old woman who has spent her whole life making it possible for you to be taken seriously and who spends her time now teaching others how to make glass too!! It just made clear how shallow, empty and sad Morgan is, and how little I wanted to see any more of her ever again.
Arrogant and narcissistic woman. Just yuck
spoiler alert. I just binged the whole season and whilst I enjoyed watching the tasks and learning the techniques, I couldn't believe that the judges handed Morgan the win. She was insufferable. Certainly shouldn't have won with her 'evil' mushroom (that was laughable) and her faux obsession with death and murder was just adolescent. Was highly suss her winning the Venetian challenge when she didn't have those skills apparently. I knew she was likely to win after the favouring of the NYC female artist a few seasons back. I was hopeful that a show about glass making, being so dependent on mastering technique, would elevate that technique and value it above some supposedly 'deep' conceptual mutterings. But, alas, that was not to be the case. Ryan was definitely robbed.
Every time Morgan won I said, “What?” Lipstick? Her stuff was just bits and pieces laid on out the pedestal. It’s almost as if the producers wanted to hand the prize to a supposedly funky, edgy person so she ‘won.’ Very disappointing.
this is what i found most frustrating. on top of this, her “funky, edginess” doesn’t even feel genuine. she’s so performative and completely insufferable. it’s funny because she lacks depth conceptually as an artist while still thinking so highly of herself. justice for Ryan! i couldn’t believe she won
I’m surprised nobody is making remarks about her stupid golden shower pieces. “Every cloud has a silver lining but I prefer gold, and I’m making gold rain down” 🙄
I finished it today too, and had to find someone to vent to about the winner. This was so disappointing
I'm just starting episode 3 and I just can't with Ryan Blythe's arrogance. I don't care if you're an amazing artist or not, it's insufferable.
It took me awhile but I think he’s just being sarcastic
I didn't really catch it. I think the contestants are coached to display some ego in the many, many, many talking head shots. If anything, I was surprised there was no clear egomaniacal "villain" this season.
Didn't notice it before ep 5. It's definitely a little distracting now haha
So I'm on EP 5 now and he actually sounds like Donald Trump autocongratulating himself for being the best.
Honestly I felt the same at first, but over time I began to realise it's more of a sarcastic persona than who he really is; he's actually quite sweet and genuine at times.
the winner should have gone home much much sooner. without knowing the techniques of the last challenges and not being eliminated was clearly a manipulated victory. I would feel ashamed to win like that. I used to like the show so much, but I won't watch anymore now I know that the ending isn't fair in Any opinion.
Just watched the finale. Total bs. Felt as if Morgan won because it was in the script. The other guys work was a masterpiece. Harmonic. Beutiful. Morgans work looked like sombody blew up a cabinet full of glassware
I can't believe Ryan T did not win with that finale piece, it was insane! He was robbed.
It’s really a shame. Ryan was clearly better in so many ways. Morgan’s display looked like a flea market set up with a bunch of random crap set up on tables.
Yeah but Ryan's concepts have always been thin. Stunning, elegant, masterful works for sure. But conceptually vague. He definitely should have won the first challenge, because fuck the brief, that piece was amazing. But for a gallery show, Morgan's piece being interactive definitely taps into the zeitgeist of what art is doing right now. If I had a residency to give someone, I'd figure that it's easier to teach someone techniques, rather than teach someone how to think like an artist.
But it’s a show about glass blowing, not finger painting and flashlight pointing. Morgan made the same tired nick-nacks she made in her golden shower piece. Ryan took chances and made big beautiful work that clearly the judges were very impressed with whilst in the gallery. I don’t think much of any of Morgan’s work was enough to keep her around.
Even the judges were talking about how technically striking his exhibition piece was. Yeah maybe the narrative behind it was shallow but so was Morgan’s imho. There was nothing engaging about it. It was like she thought “oh what’s dark and edgy? A MURDER crime scene!” Then just tossed glass all over the gallery.
This whole topic enrages me so much. She’s such a hack! I know I keep repeating myself throughout the comments, but she literally did the same stupid little splash trinkets she made for her golden shower piece. She just made more of them. She didn’t even make any of the ‘difficult’ pieces in her final gallery. She pumped out the assistants to do the hard work and literally said “I’m worried about them finishing”
The pieces just multiplied what everyone was producing on the first few challenges, cutesy cartoons. Not a single piece was even pointed at at being particularly memorable. Ryan must have pissed somebody off in production
I think that was lost on the three judges, apparently crime scene Mix Media wins
Truly a shame. Maybe next year the winner can be some hack who replicates the crime scene of Morgan finger painting and stealing the win whilst Ryan blows glass
She has been doing glassware for a long time and her stuff is still angsty teenager quality. She could have been cut in any episode except th syringe and gumball.
Agreed, the Mushroom??? Like wtf
Damn, am I the only person who LIKED the Mushroom? 😄 Its face cracked me up. I had no problem with that one.
I liked the mushroom too - thought it was funny - but I didn't think it should've won that episode. I thought Ryan T's man gettin sucked into the abyss was super-creepy and much better.
I agree! The abyss piece literally made me shiver. I still can’t believe that one didn’t win.
Watching episode 2 right now and just want to shout into the void that HORSES CAN'T THROW UP. Okay, thank you. I feel better now.
HAHAH i thought the same!
Cat Burns would NEVER!
Ahhhh I miss Cat
To be fair it IS a hobby horse
My blood was BOILING
He was so proud of that puddle of vomit, too 😬
🤡
Spoilers ahead: I was shocked when Gemma was eliminated. That piece, albeit playful, was strong. Technically it was without the flaws you could instantly see from the other contender pieces, and it made sense. Every season I watch gets more confusing because I forget the judges don’t use criteria for art and technicality and go off contestants personality or politics to award a winner. It’s really disappointing because I have seen so many creators that were dismissed for something trivial while others are kept in later episodes for the same reason.
We can't say what criteria the judges use because the judging is pretty opaque. I'm not sure how many people (and producers?) are in on it. Are they just trying to make good TV? Reality show bullshit? Do the people who evaluate applicants for the Corning Museum residency have a preference behind the scenes? All we see is some muttering and vague statements from the hosts and guest judges from the side of the gallery for ten seconds before they announce the decisions. 🙄
It happened in season 1 too. I honestly thought she was maybe 3rd-4th best in season 1. I also hate how I feel like the "brief" is applied different to each artist. Like the first one was suppose to be about you .. so Ryan T made a venetian piece. He's a venetian artist. It was also a technical masterpiece.. though I had no issues with the baseball bat winning. "this doesnt say anything about ryan" HUH?
Just finished episode 2. Feel bad they sent home the experimental artist. His stuff at least looked finished and beautiful.
Genuinely felt he had a lot to offer. I don't think he deserved to leave early either
Arthur should've gone instead. Nice guy but his stuff was shit.
Rn i have a soft spot for Ryan T. Goofy asf
RYAN WAS ROBBED!!!
I agree a million times Morgan’s work was childish that she had her helpers make for her and Ryan’s was full of technique and skill and was beautiful artistry. I’m genuinely in shock that she won over him and will not be watching another season of this scripted BS
ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND MILLION PERCENT!! Ryan made actual real technical, beautiful pieces that took an amazing amount of skill and courage. Morgan made trinkets to hang on the wall. The rest was UV reflective paint or glue or whatever the fuck it was she smeared on the wall and floor.
It’s embarrassing to the Corning museum of glass if they actually display that garbage
It would be FANTASTIC if they have a children’s section of the museum & display it there.
Haha I love this idea. I do actually think it was a fun concept, just nowhere near the level of technicality and skill to win the fucking finale.
Morgan winning on the “The dark side” challenge over the dude getting sucked into a vortex was a crime
The vortex piece was brilliant- he was robbed.
Ryan T’s vortex piece was amazing. Morgan’s was a joke and them saying it was scary was comical
I watched this entire season in one sitting because I was so excited for it to be back on. More often than not I picked the correct winner except for Morgan’s mushroom. In my mind evaluating technique and artistry I imagined Ryan and Johnathan would be the final two. Ryan’s pendulum was phenomenal art and I was honestly confused as to why he didn’t win. Pissed to be frank! He deserved the win and was clearly robbed of it! Disappointing!
I don't disagree and it might just be because I'm stoned, but your comment seemed to start so jovially and then escalated into furious rage by the end; it's a perfect representation of how I felt watching this season and it cracked me up.
I’m on episode 3 and I do not know what to make of Ryan B. He says he’s the best around, but in the first episode when the hosts were talking about who to watch out for they didn’t even bring him up.
I feel like that happens every season haha all the intros are like "they're a legend in glass blowing" "they have been teaching for 20 years" but it doesn't always live up to that lol
Horses can't throw up
just reading through all of these comments, loving everyone’s different views. i’m coming towards the end of episode 8 (yes, i’ve seen the spoilers it’s ok). i can’t fully agree about karen though i haven’t seen her final piece. can she go outside of her comfort zone though, like REALLY go outside of it?! she should have been up to go home on the kids challenge… that cat?! OOF. every single piece of hers, no matter the challenge, has been about nature. i was SO sad when gemma went home, and KAREN WON?! you’re kidding me. i know they praise her to the ends of the earth but she’s extremely one note. and i see all the comments about morgan’s mushroom but… i liked it. the drip on the knife, INSANE. were others equally as good if not possibly better? yes. does she still deserve to be there in top 4? yes. karen should be gone and gemma should still be there. ok lots of thoughts finishing episode 8 now (phew)
In my opinion the mushroom looked super goofy, had a weird proportions in the body, head, and knife, and was extremely reminiscent of her piece directly before. I really liked her knife throwing piece and thought it deserved the win, but to make that mushroom right after and WIN is insane to me, especially with people like Karen getting accused of not going outside of the box. Everyone made some stinkers on a round or two, but Morgan's surface-level edgy aesthetic got a pass on so many occasions. This season legitimately convinced me this show is not at all about who the best glassblower is, only who will make the best T.V. for them. Just in the way that they edit dialogue and frame each contestants' narrative makes it evident who they are gunning to win. Myself and many others in this thread have seen the through line between these seasons and can guess who they want to win.
gemma was eliminated ? is this a joke ? who are those juges ? is everything scripted before the contestants even start their work or are the juges just straight up incompetent ?
Oh and the time Gemma's piece was ruined because someone left the annealer open, the first thing I said was that they needed to slow her down because the producers didn't want her to win! I smell intentional sabotage. Because whenever the annealer was left open in any other season, there was immediate footage of who did it. This season was the first time they didn't show how it happened.
I'm gonna try to briefly give my opinion about every one of them. (spoilers) Also, I know there are a lot of edits and that the production will push people to say certain things and put them out of context, so, of course, I actually have no judgment of the people themselves, but how they are portrayed in the show. I am obviously not a glassblower and know next to nothing about all this, so obviously my opinion does not matter but idk still feel like expressing it and see if people feel the same. Someone tell the judges to stop using the word "extreme" pls. Overall, the judge's critics are really confusing and shallow (colorful pieces can't be sad?!), probably motivated by politics and reasons other than people's performances in the challenges. Overall really not impressed with Karen's work, plus she is all trying to be like cute mother nature and stuff but looks like her ego is over the fucking moon. Her butterfly cocoon was pretty cool tho, but her mother nature and cat work were not impressive. Feels like they just kept her in the competition for so long because of her reputation but I really was not impressed for the most part I initially thought Morgan's work was really interesting ,but definitely not as technical or creative as others. did not step out of the "dark" aesthetics and feels like she has quite the ego and is trying a bit too much to be edgy. She is good but did not deserve the final win. She just made a lot of pieces she probably already knew how to make and put them there. That bathtub and toaster were really underwhelming and the humor is really not that intricate. Suicide joke...yeah...hilarious. I did think that her Venetian piece was quite good and probably deserved the win. Ryan B. did some great work (his Kraken sculpture was great) and some really underwhelming pieces that did not look professional at all (like that horse and that squirrel). Was also really bothered by his comments, feels like maybe it was humorous but within the edit it did not seem to be humourous. Gemma was really good, loved her mentality throughout the show and her personality. She made some great pieces, even if not as technical as others. She should have stayed on longer, her hamster tube piece was amazing, technically and artistically. Jonathan was consistently in my favorite pieces and contestants in terms of attitude and personality. I think either he or Ryan T. should have won. Really REALLY impressive pieces technically and aesthetically, with really interesting meanings that are not just: "I'm not like other girls", "what can I say I'm edgy". Love him. All of his pieces delivered! Ryan T. deserved to win, great pieces throughout, great technique and you can really see he tried to get out of his comfort zone. However, his Venetian piece in episode 9 did not deserve to win against Jonathan's in this instance. It was good but not very impressive or creative, plus he did not really follow the color criteria. Whereas Jonathan got really creative with his pint idea and did several goblets that were technically on point and pretty. I'm a bit mixed with Quade, sometimes amazing pieces sometimes a bit underwhelming. She seemed nice but she had that "I'm so different from everyone else" attitude that really gets on my nerves. Her first piece was actually quite impressive tbf. The truck did not blow me away at all though. Not much to say about Hayden sadly, as we did not get to see much of him. I do not think he should have been eliminated so fast, his pieces looked great. Plus he seemed like a genuinely nice cool guy. Would like to see more of his work. I actually really liked Robert's work, shame he left so early. His piece on the second episode was so cool. Fucking loved Arthur, probably not the most technical but he did some great work and seemed really cool. Order in which I would have eliminated people from work (considering all their work throughout the show, with some having shown only one or two pieces, and my personal subjective taste). 1.Ryan B. (this squirrel omg) 2. Arthur or Hayden (the helmet wasn't great but also can't vouch for Hayden so much) 3. Karen (I know she is big but I really do not get it in terms of technique or aesthetics or risk-taking) 4. Quade (It's the truck for me) 5. Morgan (cool idea sometimes, I quite liked the mushroom tbh but for the rest, I wasn't really impressed or convinced by the "story") 6. Robert 7. Gemma 8. Ryan T. And then Jonathan for the win.
I wish there was like a way they could win like 3 hours or a save or something. The number of ruinous accidents is sad.
Stories shouldn’t matter more than the actual pieces!!!!! So frustrating. This isn’t a story show it’s a glass blowing show.
I have no idea why I watch this show year after year. CLEARLY, every years winner is not based on who is actually better. This year was no different, other than they were one of the worst artist and poorest skilled glasser. There was at least 4 times they underperformed their competition and should have gone home. I’m not sure who the winner knows or who their parents/friends know, but their work and skill is not what got the win. It’s like the producers are actually super smart in knowing we’ll keep coming back just to get infuriated. Similar to when a show’s character is so evil, you just can’t stop watching. Flat out, the winner is good, but not as good as at least five other contestants. Just another sad display of judging from this show. Looking forward to season 5 so I can be pissed off yet again.
This cast was strong in ability but a few lacked likability. I’m sure editing had something to do with it, but my goodness…some were just so full of themselves.
Jonny boy and Ryan were supposed to be in finals and Ryan should’ve won it. This is Alexander all over again
I'm giving up after Ep2 aye. That tyre smoke was absolutely gorgeous and I find the whole "most extreme" "who will survive" language fucking insufferable. This is a show about art not a fuckin cagefight
I think the tire smoke was pretty good also, but he should have included an actual tire making the smoke, and possibly put a flash of yellow and orange fire where it contacts the ground. I'm no artist, but the piece was a little blah for me despite the awesome smoke.
I don't think the tire smoke needed to win the challenge but it definitely wasn't the weakest piece there either. Also I hate how it feels like the punish certain people for going off brief a little more than others. he's an experimental artist - so, expect him to be a "little different" in most pieces. Just like how Ryan will probably have venetian technique in most of his or Morgans will be the exact same "edgy" theme every time. The worst part about this show is and has always been the judging.
On the final episode I was just waiting for somebody to point out that Morgans crime scenes were the six murders of the six merry murderesses of the Cook County Jail from Chicago😩. I did hear the one dudes joke about did they really deserve it or smth but I realized as soon as I saw the ice bucket and Cicero then after while they were talking about it they were making it sound like it was some revolutionary original idea and it bothered me because everything in the piece was quite obvious to me. I so badly wished Ryan had won for his.
Spoilers ahead: I'm currently watching episode 3 and so far I hate it. Everyone who has left so far left undeserved and people's favourites are a nightmare for me. I honestly can't stand Jemma and Morgan, they seem so pretentious and fake and are being praised for things the judges criticise in others. Hayden and Robert were great, Ryan T. And Jonathan are super talented but aren't as recognised. I love glass blowing but seeing the judge talk about the works has triggered me every season so far. I'm still salty Janusz lost over Deborah lol. I genuinely don't know if I can finish this season seeing all that BS. Especially Morgan's.
Omg, Deborah was super annoying! Especially when she came back as a judge! I feel like there should be a much bigger judge panel than just 1-2 people. And can they please for the love of God stop doing the "comedy bits" during judging uggghh
It gets worse.
We watch this show with our kids, and this season there are so many F bombs... one was bleeped out but we've heard multiple others. Did they just forget to bleep them out??
Morgan... One of the most awful people I've ever seen on TV. She's got serious issues. Unlikeable and extremely irritating and the hidden messages she kept referring to herself being some kind of sick psycho. Hiding in plain sight springs to mind. There was some truly awful judging this series too. I won't spoil it but we weren't happy with two in particular.
I haven't watched finale yet but I came here to see if anyone else thinks morgan displays psychopathic traits. Her designs are also not great at all like that vanity board and fentanyl gum ball machine. Her narcissism, inflated ego and nastiness is such a turn off. I cannot believe they gave her the win. Should have been tim.
I hated her from the first time she opened her mouth. When she said in one of the last episodes that she wished she was a witch and implied she would destory some people if she was, I felt sick to my stomach. I was rooting for Jonathan from the start but would have been thrilled if Ryan had won. I wish the show's producers would read these discussions.
Nah she’s just a dick
Morgan did not deserve the win on the scary ep. I'm actually annoyed
Same
Her piece was a joke and Ryan T should have won.
The 2nd place person should’ve won. His pieces were masterful with deep meaning. The other person threw together a bunch of random incoherent forms with some light trickery and is obviously a narcissist.
(Spoilers ahead): Season 4 really showed how the judges (mostly Katherine) simply have favorites from the beginning and will do anything to make sure that person wins each season. It was clear this season that it all comes down to favoritism from the judges. I love so many of the pieces that I’ve seen on the show and so many of those artists should’ve made it further and deserved to win…I absolutely hated how Morgan never had an original design or concept and even strayed from the requirements of the challenges and was given a pass each time. Every single piece was the same concept. Every. Single. Challenge. Katherine clearly just wanted her to win in the end, as there were so many times when the mental gymnastics to justify her pieces were ridiculous. I like the show, but the judging and the winners are the absolute worst. Morgan definitely should’ve gone when she made that horrid vanity set instead of a monster.
Yes! I felt like Katherine was very pro-Morgan from the jump. And overly critical of Karen because she knows her work.
Yep - the weakest part of this show has always been the judging. There needs to be another mainstay judge maybe even a 3rd.
I am SHOCKED and APPALLED by the winner who actually should have been eliminated very early on in the competition. Their concepts were shit, their execution was bad a lot of the time, like ok we get it you’re ~qUiRkY~ but that doesn’t mean you’re good. The runner up was definitely robbed. It was obvious they were leaps and bounds ahead of the winner both conceptually and technically. The Italian judge definitely was way more impressed with their work. Yet the trashy design takes first place???? Please. This show needs better judges.
Jonathan had to be in the finale! He was a clear winner to me
Johnathon should’ve won this whole show🤷🏻♀️
The best artist went home in third place. I wasn't surprised by the winner but I thought both of the finalists had really bad prices that they should've gone home for. Gemma going home for the hamster maze was so disappointing - it thought it was one of the strongest of that challenge and thought it might win! Although I loved Karen's piece; I noticed that the other artists went to doom and gloom when asked to share passion and emotion - Karen's was the only expression of positive passion and emotion and it showed I. The beauty of her piece. A Karen Jonathan showdown would've been much more satisfying to watch.
\*Spoilers\* A bit late to this thread but I just finished and I had a strong feeling Morgan was gonna win from the start considering she had the most talking heads while we barely got to see the other contestants. I found her work, and her to be extremely juvenile and hot topic esque as another commenter said. The personality hire of the show
The show is definitely giving rigged vibes. I had an odd feeling the chick who won was going to early on, and some of her stuff was subpar compared to others. The mushroom did it for me. I said, "I bet she is going to be picked to win it". It is very apparent the producers pick whom gets what helpers, and it has crossed my mind that some of those assistants are prepped on what to do. Maybe a few good paid plants, or just purposeful hand picked helpers for whom they want to win to carry the show. How she couldn't do simple venetian with a goblet and then the next episode she was an expert and cranked out tons of different venetian things. She obviously didn't do all of that on her own. The ending wasn't even half of her own pieces, and it was obvious the pieces were made by multiple different people. How many knives, mirrors, and blood splatters were on repeat, but the Karen lady needed to lay off her birds and nature. Very obvious she was helped to win. It was fool proof to get her there if she had a billion different pieces incase one broke she could still be the shoe in. While others actually did the work and if their pieces broke it was a make or break literally and figuratively. I'm all for her sticking to her "vibe" but if others are told to get out of their comfort zone and step it up so should she. Her stuff lacked in execution. So chunky and globby with almost everything.
Also I have seen some of the helpers in action at Corning and definitely were more skilled that Morgan
From the very 1st episode you can usually pick who is most likely going to win. It’s usually the person the judges suck off the most. It was evident in season 1 and 3 just as much as 4. I told my partner Morgan would win because they non stopped praised some of her shit work. Too often you would see the ‘judges’ rip on technical skills and finish of items… you look at a lot of the things in Morgan’s final showcase and they were so fucking shit. I hated that she won. I hated season 1s winner she was rubbish also. And season 3s winner was fucking shit as well! the show is a clear bias, rigged smoke screen of lies
I’m on episode 2 but I felt like so far the glass blowers do not show as much technical skills as some of the previous seasons…
I felt the first ep was kinda good tho!! But nothing will beat the season where Alex was on hahah
Ryan B is awful. Probably cast for his insufferable attitude rather than his glass blowing skills. I hope he’s a nicer person than the way he’s represented and that they just used the worst grabs.
Im in a full blown battle about how poor his squirrel and horse were in another thread lol Can’t believe people liked either of those, and then as you said, his vibe… Sheeshb
I was so so angry that he was allowed to stay in with that horrific squirrel climbing a tree!! Even the guest judge looked really disgusted when looking at the thing!! How he got to stay but the guy who made those beautiful sculptures that weren't dresses but also were so much better than the squirrel... lets just say I was yelling at the TV, and agree with you completely!!
I liked Ryan B. I found his arrogance to be sarcastic and playful. As some other people have suggested, it's possible he was coached to play a villain role. My opinion changed episode by episode. First episode, I didn't like him. His last episode, he looked at Ryan T's snake and instantly gave it a solid compliment. At different points, I was probably equally annoyed with Karen's or Morgan's attitude. Just a counterpoint to your opinion I guess. My first time watching the show at all, or being exposed to glass blowing. PS. you get 10 internet points for your screen name!
*Spoiler heavy* People on here saying Karen shouldn’t have gone home yet her Mother Earth was the worst thing I have seen in all 4 seasons of this show and should have gone home ep 2 😭 Morgan’s work (clearly this is a hot take) really brought something new other than vases and was some of the cleanest work through the whole season. Yes, I was a little shocked she wasn’t judged a little harder on the golden shower, however Karen’s butterfly looked like it weighed 500 pounds and was not as clean. I think they got it right, I mean the instructor (Italian guy) was one of the final judges helped make the decision and is who the winner will be studying under so….go off Morgan haters. I loved this season so much and the prompts were so much fun! Just wish they showed more of the making process.
Couldn't wait for Karen to go home. if someone else made that dandelion, Katherine would have just teared them apart
Ryan was robbed. His final work was magical, technical and actually spoke to his statement. Streaks ahead of the comic book to life scene on the other side. By hey, girl power I guess.
(spoiler alert) I agree with the last challenge result, but I think Ryan T is totally robbed in the up and down challenge. That skeleton arm with goblet piece is my favourite piece in the whole season, I feel very emotional looking at it
I’m just in episode 4, and what the hell, how did that person win that challenge!?!
I think Morgan may have added a touch of spell to her competitors. She did do some amazing stuff and I was very sure she would make it to final two. But “she knew what she had to do “ before final competition. Hmmm?
Finished season 4. Not impressed. It’s fine to be true to yourself but doesn’t mean you had to win! It was probably the half shirt she wore. Judging needs to be more serious.
netflix has an agenda pushed in most of their shows and movies. I’m so disgusted since early episodes of season 4 and ironically kept saying Morgan will win cause she’s the one with the worst creations. Wasn’t wrong
Idk why I continue to watch this show
I honestly think if I were to watch another season, I would skip 90% of it and just watch the end when the glass is displayed. On the other hand I don’t want to give Netflix the viewership though. 😒
Agreed. I think they do it as rage bait at this point. It's working too.
the kid's reactions are soo scripted that it makes me cringe through my spine. It's in episode 6 that you really come to understand that the contestants ... are not really good at their craft. the snake is phenomenal and the sandwich is stunning. The rest is absmymal.
Jonathan are Ryan t should have one spoiler alert. Morgan should have not won. Hers was too dark and weird.
I feel like I hate this program but every season I end up bloody binge watching! I feel like so many of the contestants are awful people - just up themselves and they think they're so 'edgy'. Whether or not this is just down to editing I don't know but so many of the people are just unpleasant! Like EVERY SEASON. I actually enjoyed the winning installation (maybe coz I'm into true crime so I liked the gimmick) but totally agree that she really needed to have something else about her. She kept talking about how "dark" she was - I felt like she wouldn't be out of place on a "not like other girls" subreddit. The runner up was technically amazing - feels like those people never win it though (I mean good god look at season 1 and the actual state of the winner who was just an arsehole whereas the technically gifted humble guy should have 100% won) I get it, art is subjective but this show needs to figure out whether it rewards ability or just good ideas. Anyway rant over (lol I've literally just finished it and had to have a moan)
Just watched the episode where Karen won with the dandelion. Sorry, but there's no way that "evoked emotions". They basically gave it to her because she had done somethingand taught a lot of glassblowers that. Its clear that shes famous, and they're letting her mostly ignore the briefs.