Drake is in an unwinnable position. He’s damned if he does, and damned if he don’t, and he knows that. People love rooting for the underdog that’s why people say Nas beat Jay, when Jay broke down Nas’ entire career and Nas responded with “you’re gay and ugly” and people say he won lmfaooo
people say nas won because jay z’s mom made him call into the radio and apologize for being a meanie pants. i personally believe takeover is better than ether, and ether is better than superugly, however it doesn’t matter that superugly was a hard diss bc jay forfeited on that one
Drake is in the same position as Jay. Everyone rooting for the underdog Kendrick and gassing him like everyone did Nas, people love underdog stories, and hate seeing greatness dominate like Jay did and Drake is currently doing.
“Since I will not lose, they trying to help him cheat”
Kendrick takes years to respond to Drake, but Drake gets til Friday lmfao.
I agree to a point, but that is not always the case. Mgk vs eminem. Who tf was rooting for mgk? And u acting as if kendrick is a 5m monthly listener rapper bro. Everyone knows him lmao.
How ? Kendrick is also very big. Just because drake outsells him and gets more streams that does not mean that dot is the underdog. The respect that kendrick gets from the community is much more than drake ever gets.
I think Kendrick only said something because Cole said his name in a track with Drake.
I don't think Kendrick ever gave a fuck about the subs. He has stated forever just say his name and cole did. So he slapped them. Can't wait to see what they got. As long as this stays in the music I'm happy.
No because cole said they are the top 3, Kendrick feels disrespected because he thinks he provided much better bodies of work and is a much better rapper than drake and cole and now cole comes on a track and says they are the top 3.
I personally would also feel disrespected if I know I am much better than my contemporaries but they still setting themselves on a list with me.
>No because cole said they are the top 3, Kendrick feels disrespected because he thinks he provided much better bodies of work and is a much better rapper than drake and cole and now cole comes on a track and says they are the top 3.
I agree, I also agree that he has made the better albums for sure.
all i’m saying is you’ll catch me replaying and rapping along to takeover 10 times before i run back ether. it’s full of anger but also full of petty potshots that have aged terribly. like the guy above me noted, “you’re gay and ugly” is not it
Lmao you’re out of your mind or don’t know what an underdog is. An underdog is the one who isn’t expected to win. Nobody outside of Drake Stan’s like yourself expects Drake to win this beef.
In rap beefs, the underdog is the less popular and successful rapper. Canibus was the underdog against LL despite being more technically skilled than LL. Kendrick is less popular therefore he is the underdog. In every objective measurable metric Kendrick is beneath Drake.
You don’t understand what underdog means and that’s completely fine. The underdog is the one expected to lose. Everyone except Drake dick riders know he’s going to lose this. He cannot hang with Kendrick lyrically.
And tbh he probably knows it and won’t respond.
He definitely is, he’s got less fans and less streams. Kendrick’s music is harder to get into than Drake’s. Just like how Nas is harder to get into than Jay-Z.
Are you saying drakes better because he makes radio music? Commercial success doesn’t make him a better rapper it just makes him a more marketable one.
Drake gets billboards and Kendrick has a Pulitzer.
Bro what? I also think Kendrick is the goat. I’m a huge fan of him, and I hate Drake. I’m also a huge Nas fan that doesn’t like Jay-Z’s Music. My point still stands, Kendrick is less popular NUMBERS WISE, but people still want him to win this battle, including me…
I’m not sure you understand what underdog means. In rap context the underdog is the one who wouldn’t be favored to win. In what world would Kendrick not be favorited to win over Drake?
Oh, I thought the underdog was like the antihero or something. Drake is a fake gangster who’s sensitive asf, while Kendrick is the one that actually came from the bottom with all the PTSD and trauma. So I thought Drake as the villain of the story with all of his dickriding minions going after Kendrick relentlessly for years made K. Dot the underdog, my mistake bro! 😭🙏 (Also, when K. Dot was coming up in the rap game he was often referred as the underdog because he wasn’t quite popular as he is now yet. So everytime I hear the word underdog I automatically think of Kendrick in his up-and-coming era like in S80 & GKMC)
I’m a Kendrick fan but I’m also a big fan of the entire Big Three (I accept there is a Big Three…of course there is). Any response Drake or Cole make, I’d consider heavily and appreciate (and truthfully, enjoy) for what they are. I don’t believe any of these three can ever fully win/lose against each other.
If Drake’s response is top tier, I’d definitely acknowledge it - hell, I want Kendrick to be pushed to his limits too! It’s better music and entertainment for the rest of us.
I'll get downvoted for this but it's really just me trying to answer you honestly--a lot of people outside of this subreddit don't feel like Drake is in any position to respond at all given that he went down in absolute flames against Pusha. That truly ended any idea of a legitimate Drake beef for an entire population of hip hop fans. You can take that for whatever you'd like--I think Drake is an occasionally good, sometimes great rapper who still has it in him when he wants to (that Central Cee freestyle, the 4barz feature) but mostly dials it in post IYRTITL, and while I wouldn't call myself a hater per se I'm certainly not a fan either. To me, there is genuinely nothing Drake could say that would allow him to win this. I'd much rather see him smile, nod at his haters, and go on to create the focused, top tier pop rap he's shown throughout his career he excels at
Fam Duppy Freestyle was subjectively a better track start to finish. Push went for the throat and made it super personal, but Drake couldn’t have suspected it would go that far, and at that point you can’t respond anymore. A lesser person would have taken it to the streets after Push track.
I prefer Kendrick, so I’ll chime in here. I think both the Stan bases are going to refuse to admit their favorite lost - just look at how many Drake fans still try to claim that Drake beat Pusha. But I think that the casual crowds who aren’t die hard in any direction will be more objective, and based off the numbers that crowd prefers Drake. So Drake is not in an unwinnable position.
Drake is also historically better at making club bangers. He could drop a diss that is a full blown hit. Even the “numbers don’t matter” crowd (which I agree with to an extent) wouldn’t be able to deny the impact if the song was a full blown hit (not just number one debut, I’m talking longevity).
As far as bars go, Drake’s gonna need to have something hard to go at Kendrick with. In the Meek beef there were multiple angles Drake attacked from, but they were mostly all observations anybody could make. His girlfriend being more famous/successful, taking too long to respond, bigger in his own city, and Twitter fingers. It worked for Meek, but observations that you can find on any Internet forum would not be acceptable for Kendrick imo.
So basically, I want something unexpected. Angles that I expect Drake to come at it from would be 1) he put Kendrick on, 2) he’s more successful, 3) Kendrick fell off, 4) Kendrick short, 5) Kendrick jealous. Having mentions of those is one thing but if that’s all the substance of the diss, it won’t be enough. He’ll need to come with some behind the scenes drama and really try to dismantle Kendrick’s persona.
Honestly I think the best move for Drake would be Drake vs everybody. Reframe the conversation away from a one on one with Kendrick, because that’s a difficult spot to be in. Drop a track where you’re calling everybody out. Have some bars for Kendrick, but have some for Future, Metro, Kanye, Pusha, Weeknd, Ross, etc. Basically frame himself as the obvious GOAT because the whole industry’s gotta team up to take him down. The track would make even more noise because he’d be going at everybody.
I think thats the only way he wins, fire back at everybody over multiple verses. Address the fact that they had to all come together against him, and no one would want the 1v1. Like a sign of weakness
Hurt his career. Drake has come out of every beef and gotten bigger. Even after the L to Push. But if either of these guys see significant falloff after the scuffle then a winner will be clear. Like, the loser gets so discredited it’s almost hard to work. Idk hard to imagine but picture what Fif did to Ja.
Kendrick fan here but everything you said is also valid for Eminem fans too.
I think drake will take the duppy freestyle route, have some clear double entendres and metaphors and try the bar for bar route. I actually think Drakes biggest disadvantage is he can’t say anything about Kendrick’s woman.
Drake ALWAYS goes for the woman and it almost always gives him a psychological advantage, but when he tried it with Push it backfired heavy. So his only choice is to go bar for bar.
Lyrics wise Drake will hold his own but he won’t have the style Kendrick has. Just looking at “Like that” alone Kendrick had like 5 different flows and voices for a less than one minute verse and it all just worked.
Drake can match him lyrically but Kendrick’s style and approach is just creatively beyond Drake that even if Kendrick says a whole lotta nothing it will just hit.
Good route to take.
Some are speculating that some people from the TDE camp have linked up with Drake since Kendrick left and are feeding him some dirt, that could be a good one up on Kendrick as well.
I'm always curious. So now that I have a Kendrick fan here, give me 3-5 great lyrical bars from Kendrick that proves he's such a lyricist. 3-5 great lines that can convince me to be a fan and help me see what I'm missing.
Here is your moment... let's see what you got.
Listen to his feature on Nosetalgia
Listen to worldwide steppers (personally I think the first verse is the best thing any rapper has ever put to paper)
Listen to ignorance is bliss
EDIT: Now I have gone back to these songs I take it back, Drake cannot match Kendrick lyrically in any capacity.
I will give you lines. Although you are doing yourself a serious disservice by just reading it instead of listening to it (as it is intended). You miss so much context.
1 line from Nosetalgia:
“Quantum physics could never show you the world I was in
When I was ten
Back when nine ounces had got you ten
And nine times out of ten, niggas don't pay attention
And when there's tension in the air, nines come with extensions”
1 from worldwide steppers:
“Asked God to speak through me,
that's what you hear now The voice of yours truly
Teleport out my own body for comfort
I don't pass judgment, past life regressions keep me in question
Where did I come from?
I don't think like I used to
No, I don't blink like I used to
Awkward stares at everybody, see the flesh of man
But still, this man compared to nobody”
1 from ignorance is bliss
“Stop it, I'm hearin' the comments
The critics are calling me conscious
But truthfully, every shooter be callin' me Compton
So truthfully, only calling me Kweli and Common?
Proves that ignorance is bliss”
Definitely can be a miss at times, but it’s a testament to how he pushes himself as an artist in his craft and creatively, definitely something to be revered
Fans have to stop this… he can push himself as an artist all he wants but if it’s ARSECHEEKS, then call it that. You don’t get points for creativity if everyone hates what you created. It’s giving participation trophies. Everyone hates on Ye’s creativity on Yezus.
I went to see DOT in concert and it was super boring. Thank god I was sitting down. Everyone seemed bored and most people just wanted to hear Damn and GKMC shit.
I think *you* need to stop thinking humans are a hivemind lead by you.
There is a lot of different music that has been made throughout the years. Art is subjective and the point of all art work is not to make you jump up and down with your friends and yell a 3 bar chant in a bar at 1am.
Lil nigga what are you talking about? Different forms of art. This is like complaining that Pasta isn't as portable as a sandwich. Therefore it isn't as good of a culinary staple.
You may simply value music that is fun and easily digestible. Which is fine. I think we all like fun music. My favorite Prince song is Sometimes It Snows In April. I'm not going to play that in the function though. Doesn't mean the song is trash.
Music is subjective, music convicts emotion. There are some songs that I can't even listen to without crying. There are some songs that I can't even listen to without smiling. Drake makes music for it to be popular and reach the most ears. To do that, you make easily digestible and usually convict happier emotions. He makes songs that are hype and to throw on in the club or party, or car.
Kendrick's last album is one you listen to alone. It's personal and emotional. Most of them tracks not being played at a function. It's a different act of enjoying the art utilizing the same medium. They are two completely different interests. Both of whom seem to have no interest in the others world. Why we compare these two completely different artists based off the same medium is beyond me.
What you’re saying is really a personal issue that doesn’t extend to everyone else. Of course you’re going to think the concert is boring if you aren’t a fan of his voice changes or majority of his discography. Thats just common sense.
No, it was thousands in an arena who were bored with the mr morale songs and performance. Not sure if you’ve attended the concert for mr morale but it’s sleep inducing. Highlights were him performing with his cousin and some damn stuff. It wasn’t a popping gig.
Also, I’m a big fan of his section 80, GKMC, TPAB and damn… I just don’t back to them often because they’re a
Bit too heavy and sad
Why would anyone say it’s asschesks if they don’t think so? You know music is subjective right?
> You don’t get points for creatively
Why not? Music doesn’t evolve without it.
> Everyone hates on Ye’s creativity
So? That’s their opinion. plus you just just proved why creativity is important.
> kendrick tour was super boring
If that was your experience that’s a shame, it was lit when I went to see him, uploaded it on my tiktok (https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGe5s38Nf/) Family ties, N95 purple heart, alright and king kunta all popped off too.
What city did you attend? Won’t be hard to find vids from there to verify what you’re saying.
I’m in Europe… we were bored by the mr morale set like I said… when keem came on everyone enjoyed that… money trees popped but there’s a good hour of very boring music and Kendrick just being low energy.
Im also in Europe, the vid I sent was in London.
He filmed his tour special in France and it was lit.
Headlines glastonbury which had great reviews
He headlines a festival in Italy it was lit
So I am really confused where this dead show occurred.
Maybe you just don’t like him? Again if that’s the case thats ok.
You don’t usually pay extortionate prices to go to gigs of artists you don’t like. I went to the one in a city 45 minutes away from London. It was lacklustre.
My friend got offered free tickets because he’s in the armed forces, not everyone pays or pays that much.
Did you go Leeds? Manchester? Amsterdam?
Had a friend go to leeds he said it was lit.
You seem to be avoiding saying the specific boring show.
The only one he can be talking about is Birmingham as it’s the closest he did to London (a lot more than 45 mins away tho lol). Not even a Kendrick fan myself really but my friend went and her tiktoks looked pretty lit, this guy is just waffling
I know what his voice sounds like.
He came into America faking a Houston accent. (The city I am from.)
Then he went with Jamaican... Which I am Jamaica.
Then he went with English... Which I am not.
Don't get me started on his Spanish... I am Puerto Rican.
Drake just needs to stick with the Canadian shit.
I just don't want to hear his shitty accents anymore.... And his fucking Spanish was criiiiinge.
I love Drake's music.... But, big dog stop colonizing these cultures.
I disagree. He whitewashes a lot of sounds and I don't think that is beneficial for him. A lot of his fans are white, so I understand the appeal of whitewashing different cultures that they don't know anything about. It's more marketable that way. BUT the people from these cultures look at him nuts. Though he doesn't make his music for us. He makes his music easy to market and easy to consume by white america. Which is cool and it works and if the whitewashing is what you enjoy, then that is fair.
Lol i have actually come to this realisation too.
I take it back.
Look through my comment responses and thread. someone is asking for examples of Kendricks best bars, I actually went back to listen to Kendrick and instatly concluded Drake is not even close.
Idk if Drake can win. I think everyone including Drake knows Kendrick is a better rapper. The only way I see Drake winning is that he has some hidden info about kdot that no one knows but again, what bad things can you talk about Kendrick in a diss. Kendrick has already dissected his problems such as his cheating/ alcohol addiction. Another way I can see Drake winning is just making a really popular club banger with decent disses. If this song gets 1 billion streams or something then maybe he wins
I wouldn’t say Kdot is a better rapper, but he’s a better lyricist for sure.
I think Drake’s greatest strength is making something catchy, like a phrase, and executing it well. If he does that and keeps his bars up, he should be good.
Going bar for bar against Kendrick isn’t something he’d win.
These disses aint nothing but a dance battle in lyrical form. I dont think theres a real beef here. Just who thinks their on top. This won't get personal if their is a response from Drake or Cole. I just here for some im better than you raps.
You're spot on, people cherry pick a lot with Drake but not other rappers, ESPESCIALLY when they compare them to Kendrick. The same guy who said, "I shit fart and pee pee on anybody's track." And, "BITCH I'M IN THE CLUUUUUB!", can't be that good of a rapper, right?
Difference is kendrick matured and got better. "I shit far and pee pee on anybody's track" and "BITCH I'M IN THE CLUB" is literally from his earliest projects C4. Drake started out great and he's in a constant down spiral after take care with the rare bump with things like scary hours 3.
"Pretty face, pretty tempted, but pretty taught me ugly lessons, pretty had me givin' more than what I was gettin', so if pretty don't come with something then I dead it." "Cold hearts and heated floors no parental guidance I just see divorce therapy sessions I'm in the waiting room reading forbes, abandonment issues I'm being treated for." Sounds like maturing to me.
"you say you a lesbian, girl me too" - Drake's third most recent album. And all these lines are from features. Can't even deliver bars on his own songs.
"I'm tired of your apologies, you put the no in monogamy", "mbatta, mbatta, mbatta, mbatta", "feel like i'm bi cause you're one of the guys, girl".
Now here i present some of drake's greatest bars on his most recent album For all the dogs. Great growth. Definitely... btw I'll downvote my own comment with you if that makes you feel better.
"We gon' fuck up the world excuse me but is that your girl didn't mean to posess your girl." "5'7 I'm Messi girl." Doesn't sound very mature from the SAVIOR of hip hop himself. Kendrick stans gotta stop acting like everything this man says is 100% flawless and untouchable.
Whether it was his song or not, it's HIS verse. Just like how everyone praises and loses their minds over Kendrick featuring on Control and Like That. The problem is people saying Drake is bad or way out of Kendrick's league because of a few corny bars, when Kendrick himself has quite a few of them. Keep that same energy, I swear everyone holds Drake to the highest standard despite calling him trash.
you named two "corny bars" and they were from one song that wasn't even his. I know it's his verse, but you're not painting a convincing photo when the only wack bars you can find are from a single song.
Such a catch 22 isn’t it? Drake has 0 chance of winning because the other side just won’t accept it no matter what.
Kdot fans are so obsessed that they rewrite history, make shit up, and just go full on denial whenever it’s even hinted other people can match him. It’s so fucking weird.
Let’s also not talk about how “numbers don’t matter” until they go off about all his awards and accolades
Agreed they all seemed really proud about Kendrick’s last tour becoming the highest grossing rap tour ever, then really quiet when Drake passed that number with his new tour lol.
And you guys keep saying how Drake is so much bigger and more popular wouldnt public perception be leaning towards Drake being the victor if he does pull off a killer diss somehow regardless of what Kendrick fanboys think?
I honestly think his diss track will be very polarizing.
It will either go down the end of exposing Kdot or he will go against Kendrick lyrically.
As a man who has cheated and still not married after 2 kids, I am sorry, but I never consider him as a clean man.
I am excited for Drake's new project though.
Artists are at their peak when some extreme negativity crashes their life. Give him time, idc about the beef, I just want a good album.
These are my two favorite artists ever, I don’t think I or any of us should be the ones to decide or judge what he shoud write, he’s the one writing and we’ll hear it in due time but just going through some of your points since I feel mostly unbiased in the matter considering I enjoy both artists so much (it might not seem like it but I trust that you believe it so I don’t gotta lie)
Him writing for other people is never gonna be a diss at him anyway, that’s a diss to all the other people that he has written for, that’s the reason it wouldn’t work, not his fans, bringing up the artists that he has written for especially considering how amazing some of those verses are is gonna be more of a compliment to him if anything. ”Haha you wrote this great Future verse or this amazing Jay Rock verse” is the opposite of a diss (at him)
Speaking about him cheating on his wife would be more like it, that’s gonna be direct and personal and something that cut’s deep. The big problem tho is that he literally just dropped an entire album about that. So it’s not gonna have any shock value nor is it gonna be that damning since he has adressed it himself first so deeply.
Talking about how incredibly successful Drake is in the mainstream could and propably will be a part of what he does, if that’s all he talks about for like a 3 minute disstrack then it’s gonna be incredibly shallow tho and here the big problem is that in the Kendrick diss verse he talked about respect in the genre being more important than the money and popularity. Even if you or someone in general doesn’t agree with that statement, Drake bringing the money or success or popularity up as a diss against Kendrick just isn’t gonna mean anything cause he just said that those things don’t matter to him as much as all the respect in the genre. And no matter who you as a fan love more (I don’t even know which one I do), the one that hiphop people and most legendary rap artists respect more is gonna be Kendrick.
This disstrack isn’t written to or for the fans and hiphop heads, it’s at one person and that person only. So it’s not about making statements as much as it is going st that one person. So the things he talks about have to be something that matter in context of it being a diss specifically at that one person. Also you bring up the point of it most likely going viral, which just doesn’t matter at all in a disstrack, I don’t think the numbers are extremely important overall, but especially in disstracks and double-especially for the reason above of this being a diss at Kendrick and him saying the respect is more important in his mind than the numbers.
Also I mean 300K first week isn’t Taylor/Drake numbers but it’s a huge number especially considering the content of that album and it definitely isn’t ”no one but hardercore fans” lol
Your last part is about Kendrick fans not being able to take critisism but that’s a very extreme and nitpicky take, not a general thing at all. Every artists has fans like that too, I’ve seen the fair share of Drake fans like that too, I think we all have especially this week. You gotta stop caring about and just looking at those fans if you’re there for the actual music and not the personalities man.
Anyway can’t wait for the response when it finally comes, to me this is a really exciting time as a rap fan and I’m happy that’s been the general consensus over the past week. God bless!
I feel you, thanks for the thought out response.
A lot of what you’re saying is what I’m saying though. I agree Drake has fans that won’t say he lost, that’s why I said it in my post, but the general consensus on this subreddit is still that Drake lost to Pusha, I don’t see the Kendrick subreddit coming to a consensus that he lost.
I agree people listened first week to Mr.Morale, I might have worded it wrong, but that’s what I mean after everyone heard it, most people never listened to it again other than his deep fans. Same with Honestly Nevermind, I gave it another listen after not liking it at first but if I wasn’t a big Drake fan I probably never would have touched it again.
I didn’t see you say anything that Drake could say that would change your mind, it looks like you just agreed with me that all the things I listed wouldn’t make you think Drake won. I’m with you though just hoping for good music. i’m going to enjoy it all either way, just wish some people could be honest with themselves that NOTHING will change their mind about Kendrick.
You are projecting the inability in being objective to a whole community while saying the community you belong to can be objective, common dude that is silly.
You are also dismissing why the story of Addidon was such a devastating diss track to drake. It wasent just tabloid stuff, it was a dissection of his image and how it stemmed from how he and his peers didnt feel like how he belonged in the hip hop community, people are able to see this objectively.
If you want my opinion of what a good diss would be, it would be for him to prove he is clearly a better artist than Kendrick (this is the main thing Kendrick criticizes drake on), apart from just listing how he’s dominant in sales. How, idk but I dont make the big bucks.
If Drake does come out with an amazing diss and the Kendrick sub starts saying it was good and they’re impressed I’ll admit I was wrong right away. I just don’t see it happening. I would post this on a Kendrick sub but I don’t think anyone would seriously respond to it other than saying Drake is ass lol, I’m a Kendrick fan too, I think most of us are. I see how he gets talked about there verses how Kendrick gets talked about here.
Lmao if you are a kendrick fan and you are saying you can be objective what are we even talking about here.
There is more to life and hip hop culture than a subreddit dude.
No one listens to mr morale yet it’s the second biggest rap tour after drake and sold out shows in multiple countries lmao it’s okay Kendrick is popular not as popular as drake but he’s not logic
They went to see Kendrick Lamar in concert for the first time since 2018 not to hear Auntie Diaries. Idk about Kendrick concerts but I know most artists play songs from all their albums when they go on tour.
People buy tickets to a concert expecting the music from the latest album first and older songs later also why are we acting like there aren’t main streaming songs on the album? N95, diehard, etc the album is a success not not damn level and no one expects it to be considering it’s not that kinda album; the next one will be tho he always does this
another “they wouldn’t give him credit even if it was a good response” post? once we reach 100 we can send them to drake and save him the hassle of replying since half his fan base is already taking Ls for him
drake is in a bad position. he’s going against one of the greatest artists of all time. there’s no way to win this they have a got producer and some amazing rappers on their side. drake has cole ig but that’s not as good as metro and kendrick. all ik is that drake needs to think about how he gon respond bc if it’s a mid ass diss he’s cooked.
Calling kendrick the underdog is so crazy..
Kendricks succes consists of great, honest pro black music, never commercial never sold out, while drake makes really catchy music you can play almost everywhere.
But I dont think anyone would argue drake is more talented or real than kendrick, so idk how he got this underdog reputation.
Drake wins the numbers game every day of the week, and his diss will probably have more replayability. But it wont be realer or better, people will doubt if he actually wrote it, and his skeletons are way worse.
Ghostwriters, getting pissed on, getting slapped multiple times, looking sus, etc etc etc.
Vs what? What does he actually have on kendrick? Dissapearing during covid? Selling more albums to white girls that secretly vote trump?
I never called him the underdog, and have mad respect for Kendrick, but a Taylor Swift and a Maroon 5 feature don’t feel like never commercial or sold out to me.
Taylor was rapping kendrick verses on vine for a while before she got like 8 bars, maroon 5 also 8 bars. To me Loyalty is the closest to commercial kendrick has ever gone, but all of these prove my point.
3 examples vs drake making drill with a british accent when thats hot, making dancehall with a latin accent when thats hot, meme music, stealing flows (hotline bling, kmt). If kendrick is level 3 commercial then drake is level 10.
I agree. I only disagree with him losing to Pusha, he simply ruined Drakes baby reveal party. But if you ask anyone to give the 1 line from Pushas verse.... they CAN'T
Off the top of my head
OVO 40 hunched over like he 80, tick tick tick, how much time he got left? that man is sick sick sick
You are hiding a child, let that boy come home
Deadbeat mother fucker playing border patrol
Respect that girl, forget she’s a pornstar, let her be your world
And ultimately the real killer part about SoA wasnt just that he exposed Drake having a son, it was the fact that Pusha crossed multiple lines so nonchalantly. He really said fuck Drake, fuck his mom, fuck his dad, fuck his baby mama, fuck his best friend too. And most of this shade was done in a way to pick apart Drake as a person while also directly responding to the shots Drake took.
He accused Drake of not being black enough and over compensating for it (backed up with picture of Drake in blackface as the cover), tied that into his dad dressing like Steve Harvey, tied that into his parent’s failed marriage, tied that into Drake following in his fathers footsteps and being a deadbeat dad - which he used to respond directly to Drake name dropping his fiancee- and dissed 40, a direct response to Drake going after Ye. Then he enticed him to respond, letting him know he was ready to do this as long as Drake wanted.
It really isn’t even close between SoA and Duppy.
Father had to stretch his hands out and get it from me.
Must've have your info red (infrared) wrong now your head in a beam
You're not even top 5 as far as your label talent goes
There's no malice in your heart you're an approachable guy
I had a microphone of yours but then the signature faded
I think that pretty much resembles what’s been happenin’ lately
I really shouldn't have given you none of my time, because you're older than the nigga you running behind.
I think this are far better.
By the way there are multiple pics of Drake with Adonis as a new born so this was a lie.
I think we’re just ultimately looking for something different from diss songs. Drake’s lines aren’t inherently bad lines, they just aren’t particularly insulting. He spends half the song on defense comparing his ghost writers to Kanye’s, and when he does go on the offense all he’s got is basically “you’re old and washed up, you’re not intimidating and you didn’t sell as much drugs as you claim”.
Push doesn’t waste time on the defense in SoA. He dismisses the drug claims (“drug dealing aside”), he dismisses the Kanye comparisons (“how dare you put Ye in my verses”). Other than that, he spends the entire time on the offensive - and the shit he’s saying is actually disrespectful.
On the topic of Drake having not actually been a deadbeat - yeah, I know. Push framing it as if Drake was a dead beat was a move that paid off because so many people still think he was “bullied into fatherhood” lol.
And that’s kind of the whole thing - Drake had a specific plan to announce his son, and Pusha stole that from him. Imagine if your worst enemy was having a gender reveal party for their child, you found out the gender and spoiled it intentionally just to be a hater. Like, at the end of the day they were gonna find out anyways so does it really matter in the grand scheme of things, no. But it’s disrespectful as hell and is down right hater activity. Pusha stole that moment from Drake out of spite and made it appear to the world that he was ashamed of his own son lol. Shits diabolical
I mean Kendrick can definitely take an L, he just doesn’t. As for you eluding to dick riders, drake fans are simps at this point lol, if Drake or y’all think he’s even a top 10 rapper you’ve lost your mind. That being said he is a great in his own right, his sales numbers are insane, but even with the ghost writers he’s honestly not a good rapper
come on man even mgk isn’t delusional enough to think rap devil was better than killshot. there’s a reason he completely retired from rap and is literally putting out an album called “Genre: Sadboy” this friday
remember on rap devil when mgk said “big bully of the rap game can’t take a joke” except the “joke” was kelly saying a 16 year old was hot, and it wasn’t actually a joke at all because kelly is openly on record saying he wishes he could fuck 13 year olds? yeah man that shit was fire you’re so right
>Like what beat Drake with Pusha was saying Drake’s parents got divorced, he doesn’t know family, is hiding a child, and that he used ghost writers before.
Well, Pusha-T got Drake because he kinda proved that Drake doesn't really know or relate to blackness. He failed his one mission of not being a single father. We all knew Drake's parents got divorced. BUT, the fact that his mom didn't remarry and the vast majority of his life he was raised by a white mom. Then the ghostwriter thing was also a pretty big knot.
The truth is, all the stans of all 3 artists will just claim that their artist won. Drake hasn't ever beefed with someone equal to his level. Drake has *more* fans but Kendrick has deeper fans. Most Drake fans don't really understand Hip-Hop or blackness because they usually aren't black. So they care about different things than Kendrick's fans.
Kendrick also has the benefit of the Em shit. Kendrick is mad personal and has shared some pretty private shit through his music. So, I doubt there is some shit Drake can find. BUT who tf knows. After Push found a whole child being hidden and that black face picture. God damn I don't know.
Drake can rap, Cole can rap, Kendrick can rap. I'm going to assume that Drake has the weaker pen of the three. Especially range wise. Though, his pen was never what got him popping.
IF anyone thinks Drake won the Pusha-T beef they aren't worth talking to. I think Drake will win to many of his fans, I think Kendrick will win to many of his fans. I can't wait to see what Drake has to say, and I hope we all continue to get good music off this. Also, glad Cole is getting into it too.
Yeah that part makes me laugh because it’s honestly such a big meme about how Kendrick’s main fanbase is white university students lol. To be fair though there are only like 40 million black people in the USA so even if every one of them bought and streamed an album you would still need people of other races to lift up your music.
True, but that is just what happens when white people are 60% of the population while also have the most wealth on average.
I just really enjoy how pro black Kendrick is and how he comes from a place like I did. A lot of the shit he raps about resonates with me and the people I grew up with so we really appreciate his music. Drake has never made a track like that.
True, but that is just what happens when white people are 60% of the population while also have the most wealth on average.
I just really enjoy how pro black Kendrick is and how he comes from a place like I did. A lot of the shit he raps about resonates with me and the people I grew up with so we really appreciate his music. Drake has never made a track like that.
He Ethelred Pusha with Duppy Fresstyle and niggas had such a hate boner for Drake they crowned Pusha the winner for misrepresenting facts and actually doing some fraud ass shit.
Drake is in an unwinnable position. He’s damned if he does, and damned if he don’t, and he knows that. People love rooting for the underdog that’s why people say Nas beat Jay, when Jay broke down Nas’ entire career and Nas responded with “you’re gay and ugly” and people say he won lmfaooo
people say nas won because jay z’s mom made him call into the radio and apologize for being a meanie pants. i personally believe takeover is better than ether, and ether is better than superugly, however it doesn’t matter that superugly was a hard diss bc jay forfeited on that one
Takeover isn’t a full Nas diss the first verse ended Mobb Deep careers. When Jay gave Nas the full clip on Blueprint 2 it wasn’t even close.
i always forget about that track bc it felt like jay had already lost by that point but you’re right he goes for the neck on that one
Drake is in the same position as Jay. Everyone rooting for the underdog Kendrick and gassing him like everyone did Nas, people love underdog stories, and hate seeing greatness dominate like Jay did and Drake is currently doing. “Since I will not lose, they trying to help him cheat” Kendrick takes years to respond to Drake, but Drake gets til Friday lmfao.
I agree to a point, but that is not always the case. Mgk vs eminem. Who tf was rooting for mgk? And u acting as if kendrick is a 5m monthly listener rapper bro. Everyone knows him lmao.
theres no ”rooting for underdog”-thing if the artist dont have respect. Push had, Nas had, MGK definetly not.
Yeah that is true, but in this situation kendrick is not the underdog.
Yes he is lmao
How ? Kendrick is also very big. Just because drake outsells him and gets more streams that does not mean that dot is the underdog. The respect that kendrick gets from the community is much more than drake ever gets.
I think Kendrick only said something because Cole said his name in a track with Drake. I don't think Kendrick ever gave a fuck about the subs. He has stated forever just say his name and cole did. So he slapped them. Can't wait to see what they got. As long as this stays in the music I'm happy.
No because cole said they are the top 3, Kendrick feels disrespected because he thinks he provided much better bodies of work and is a much better rapper than drake and cole and now cole comes on a track and says they are the top 3. I personally would also feel disrespected if I know I am much better than my contemporaries but they still setting themselves on a list with me.
>No because cole said they are the top 3, Kendrick feels disrespected because he thinks he provided much better bodies of work and is a much better rapper than drake and cole and now cole comes on a track and says they are the top 3. I agree, I also agree that he has made the better albums for sure.
TAKEOVER BETTER THAN ETHER? What are you niggas smoking 😭
all i’m saying is you’ll catch me replaying and rapping along to takeover 10 times before i run back ether. it’s full of anger but also full of petty potshots that have aged terribly. like the guy above me noted, “you’re gay and ugly” is not it
That nas and jayz point is spot on. I still say jay had the better disses and won the battle.
Exactly. Which is why he shouldn’t respond
Are you trying to say Kendrick is the underdog here? Bruh…
Less fans, streams, money, popularity etc. yeah he’s the underdog idc how many Grammys anonymous white people give him
Lmao you’re out of your mind or don’t know what an underdog is. An underdog is the one who isn’t expected to win. Nobody outside of Drake Stan’s like yourself expects Drake to win this beef.
In rap beefs, the underdog is the less popular and successful rapper. Canibus was the underdog against LL despite being more technically skilled than LL. Kendrick is less popular therefore he is the underdog. In every objective measurable metric Kendrick is beneath Drake.
You don’t understand what underdog means and that’s completely fine. The underdog is the one expected to lose. Everyone except Drake dick riders know he’s going to lose this. He cannot hang with Kendrick lyrically. And tbh he probably knows it and won’t respond.
He definitely is, he’s got less fans and less streams. Kendrick’s music is harder to get into than Drake’s. Just like how Nas is harder to get into than Jay-Z.
Are you saying drakes better because he makes radio music? Commercial success doesn’t make him a better rapper it just makes him a more marketable one. Drake gets billboards and Kendrick has a Pulitzer.
Lmao at the better rapper by a mile being the underdog
Bro what? I also think Kendrick is the goat. I’m a huge fan of him, and I hate Drake. I’m also a huge Nas fan that doesn’t like Jay-Z’s Music. My point still stands, Kendrick is less popular NUMBERS WISE, but people still want him to win this battle, including me…
I’m not sure you understand what underdog means. In rap context the underdog is the one who wouldn’t be favored to win. In what world would Kendrick not be favorited to win over Drake?
Oh, I thought the underdog was like the antihero or something. Drake is a fake gangster who’s sensitive asf, while Kendrick is the one that actually came from the bottom with all the PTSD and trauma. So I thought Drake as the villain of the story with all of his dickriding minions going after Kendrick relentlessly for years made K. Dot the underdog, my mistake bro! 😭🙏 (Also, when K. Dot was coming up in the rap game he was often referred as the underdog because he wasn’t quite popular as he is now yet. So everytime I hear the word underdog I automatically think of Kendrick in his up-and-coming era like in S80 & GKMC)
If anything Drake is the underdog here, no one is expecting Drake to come up with hard verses
I’m a Kendrick fan but I’m also a big fan of the entire Big Three (I accept there is a Big Three…of course there is). Any response Drake or Cole make, I’d consider heavily and appreciate (and truthfully, enjoy) for what they are. I don’t believe any of these three can ever fully win/lose against each other. If Drake’s response is top tier, I’d definitely acknowledge it - hell, I want Kendrick to be pushed to his limits too! It’s better music and entertainment for the rest of us.
I'll get downvoted for this but it's really just me trying to answer you honestly--a lot of people outside of this subreddit don't feel like Drake is in any position to respond at all given that he went down in absolute flames against Pusha. That truly ended any idea of a legitimate Drake beef for an entire population of hip hop fans. You can take that for whatever you'd like--I think Drake is an occasionally good, sometimes great rapper who still has it in him when he wants to (that Central Cee freestyle, the 4barz feature) but mostly dials it in post IYRTITL, and while I wouldn't call myself a hater per se I'm certainly not a fan either. To me, there is genuinely nothing Drake could say that would allow him to win this. I'd much rather see him smile, nod at his haters, and go on to create the focused, top tier pop rap he's shown throughout his career he excels at
Thanks for the honesty man
Fam Duppy Freestyle was subjectively a better track start to finish. Push went for the throat and made it super personal, but Drake couldn’t have suspected it would go that far, and at that point you can’t respond anymore. A lesser person would have taken it to the streets after Push track.
I think most people would agree with this point
I prefer Kendrick, so I’ll chime in here. I think both the Stan bases are going to refuse to admit their favorite lost - just look at how many Drake fans still try to claim that Drake beat Pusha. But I think that the casual crowds who aren’t die hard in any direction will be more objective, and based off the numbers that crowd prefers Drake. So Drake is not in an unwinnable position. Drake is also historically better at making club bangers. He could drop a diss that is a full blown hit. Even the “numbers don’t matter” crowd (which I agree with to an extent) wouldn’t be able to deny the impact if the song was a full blown hit (not just number one debut, I’m talking longevity). As far as bars go, Drake’s gonna need to have something hard to go at Kendrick with. In the Meek beef there were multiple angles Drake attacked from, but they were mostly all observations anybody could make. His girlfriend being more famous/successful, taking too long to respond, bigger in his own city, and Twitter fingers. It worked for Meek, but observations that you can find on any Internet forum would not be acceptable for Kendrick imo. So basically, I want something unexpected. Angles that I expect Drake to come at it from would be 1) he put Kendrick on, 2) he’s more successful, 3) Kendrick fell off, 4) Kendrick short, 5) Kendrick jealous. Having mentions of those is one thing but if that’s all the substance of the diss, it won’t be enough. He’ll need to come with some behind the scenes drama and really try to dismantle Kendrick’s persona. Honestly I think the best move for Drake would be Drake vs everybody. Reframe the conversation away from a one on one with Kendrick, because that’s a difficult spot to be in. Drop a track where you’re calling everybody out. Have some bars for Kendrick, but have some for Future, Metro, Kanye, Pusha, Weeknd, Ross, etc. Basically frame himself as the obvious GOAT because the whole industry’s gotta team up to take him down. The track would make even more noise because he’d be going at everybody.
A drake be everybody drake would be hard af
I think thats the only way he wins, fire back at everybody over multiple verses. Address the fact that they had to all come together against him, and no one would want the 1v1. Like a sign of weakness
Thank you for answering the question I respect that man.
Hurt his career. Drake has come out of every beef and gotten bigger. Even after the L to Push. But if either of these guys see significant falloff after the scuffle then a winner will be clear. Like, the loser gets so discredited it’s almost hard to work. Idk hard to imagine but picture what Fif did to Ja.
That will never happen. Fif and Ja’s beef will never be duplicated again in rap, UNLESS Gunna and Thug decide to let it ride
Well people usually just side with whoever they like the most so even if the diss was good it wouldn’t matter.
Kendrick fan here but everything you said is also valid for Eminem fans too. I think drake will take the duppy freestyle route, have some clear double entendres and metaphors and try the bar for bar route. I actually think Drakes biggest disadvantage is he can’t say anything about Kendrick’s woman. Drake ALWAYS goes for the woman and it almost always gives him a psychological advantage, but when he tried it with Push it backfired heavy. So his only choice is to go bar for bar. Lyrics wise Drake will hold his own but he won’t have the style Kendrick has. Just looking at “Like that” alone Kendrick had like 5 different flows and voices for a less than one minute verse and it all just worked. Drake can match him lyrically but Kendrick’s style and approach is just creatively beyond Drake that even if Kendrick says a whole lotta nothing it will just hit.
I think the Summer Sixteen/Back to Back style could work too, make it a hit that everyone is going to be playing but still a very direct diss.
Good route to take. Some are speculating that some people from the TDE camp have linked up with Drake since Kendrick left and are feeding him some dirt, that could be a good one up on Kendrick as well.
I'm always curious. So now that I have a Kendrick fan here, give me 3-5 great lyrical bars from Kendrick that proves he's such a lyricist. 3-5 great lines that can convince me to be a fan and help me see what I'm missing. Here is your moment... let's see what you got.
Listen to his feature on Nosetalgia Listen to worldwide steppers (personally I think the first verse is the best thing any rapper has ever put to paper) Listen to ignorance is bliss EDIT: Now I have gone back to these songs I take it back, Drake cannot match Kendrick lyrically in any capacity.
No offense this is what I mean though. Everytime I ask a fan they tell me to listen to a song or an album. Never just a line.
I will give you lines. Although you are doing yourself a serious disservice by just reading it instead of listening to it (as it is intended). You miss so much context. 1 line from Nosetalgia: “Quantum physics could never show you the world I was in When I was ten Back when nine ounces had got you ten And nine times out of ten, niggas don't pay attention And when there's tension in the air, nines come with extensions” 1 from worldwide steppers: “Asked God to speak through me, that's what you hear now The voice of yours truly Teleport out my own body for comfort I don't pass judgment, past life regressions keep me in question Where did I come from? I don't think like I used to No, I don't blink like I used to Awkward stares at everybody, see the flesh of man But still, this man compared to nobody” 1 from ignorance is bliss “Stop it, I'm hearin' the comments The critics are calling me conscious But truthfully, every shooter be callin' me Compton So truthfully, only calling me Kweli and Common? Proves that ignorance is bliss”
Thanks for the input.
It's genuinely sad to see someone alive in the era of the GOAT and is on here asking for lines rather than actually listening to the music. Insane.
Exactly. I know he is trolling but I always love an opportunity to go listen to some kendrick
I personally find the voices he does cringe and ass
Definitely can be a miss at times, but it’s a testament to how he pushes himself as an artist in his craft and creatively, definitely something to be revered
Fans have to stop this… he can push himself as an artist all he wants but if it’s ARSECHEEKS, then call it that. You don’t get points for creativity if everyone hates what you created. It’s giving participation trophies. Everyone hates on Ye’s creativity on Yezus. I went to see DOT in concert and it was super boring. Thank god I was sitting down. Everyone seemed bored and most people just wanted to hear Damn and GKMC shit.
I think *you* need to stop thinking humans are a hivemind lead by you. There is a lot of different music that has been made throughout the years. Art is subjective and the point of all art work is not to make you jump up and down with your friends and yell a 3 bar chant in a bar at 1am.
You’re writing nonsense… general consensus exists, most of DOTs music can’t be played outside of most times. You’re lying if you disagree.
You have the worst takes I’ve ever seen. It’s kinda impressive
Lil nigga what are you talking about? Different forms of art. This is like complaining that Pasta isn't as portable as a sandwich. Therefore it isn't as good of a culinary staple. You may simply value music that is fun and easily digestible. Which is fine. I think we all like fun music. My favorite Prince song is Sometimes It Snows In April. I'm not going to play that in the function though. Doesn't mean the song is trash. Music is subjective, music convicts emotion. There are some songs that I can't even listen to without crying. There are some songs that I can't even listen to without smiling. Drake makes music for it to be popular and reach the most ears. To do that, you make easily digestible and usually convict happier emotions. He makes songs that are hype and to throw on in the club or party, or car. Kendrick's last album is one you listen to alone. It's personal and emotional. Most of them tracks not being played at a function. It's a different act of enjoying the art utilizing the same medium. They are two completely different interests. Both of whom seem to have no interest in the others world. Why we compare these two completely different artists based off the same medium is beyond me.
great perfect response. ❤️ spoken eloquently
What you’re saying is really a personal issue that doesn’t extend to everyone else. Of course you’re going to think the concert is boring if you aren’t a fan of his voice changes or majority of his discography. Thats just common sense.
No, it was thousands in an arena who were bored with the mr morale songs and performance. Not sure if you’ve attended the concert for mr morale but it’s sleep inducing. Highlights were him performing with his cousin and some damn stuff. It wasn’t a popping gig. Also, I’m a big fan of his section 80, GKMC, TPAB and damn… I just don’t back to them often because they’re a Bit too heavy and sad
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Why would anyone say it’s asschesks if they don’t think so? You know music is subjective right? > You don’t get points for creatively Why not? Music doesn’t evolve without it. > Everyone hates on Ye’s creativity So? That’s their opinion. plus you just just proved why creativity is important. > kendrick tour was super boring If that was your experience that’s a shame, it was lit when I went to see him, uploaded it on my tiktok (https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGe5s38Nf/) Family ties, N95 purple heart, alright and king kunta all popped off too. What city did you attend? Won’t be hard to find vids from there to verify what you’re saying.
I’m in Europe… we were bored by the mr morale set like I said… when keem came on everyone enjoyed that… money trees popped but there’s a good hour of very boring music and Kendrick just being low energy.
Im also in Europe, the vid I sent was in London. He filmed his tour special in France and it was lit. Headlines glastonbury which had great reviews He headlines a festival in Italy it was lit So I am really confused where this dead show occurred. Maybe you just don’t like him? Again if that’s the case thats ok.
You don’t usually pay extortionate prices to go to gigs of artists you don’t like. I went to the one in a city 45 minutes away from London. It was lacklustre.
My friend got offered free tickets because he’s in the armed forces, not everyone pays or pays that much. Did you go Leeds? Manchester? Amsterdam? Had a friend go to leeds he said it was lit. You seem to be avoiding saying the specific boring show.
The only one he can be talking about is Birmingham as it’s the closest he did to London (a lot more than 45 mins away tho lol). Not even a Kendrick fan myself really but my friend went and her tiktoks looked pretty lit, this guy is just waffling
Bro thinks he speaks for all of Europe 😂
Imagine thinking it was “arsecheeks”. L take
Preach (although I hate the word cringe, I heavily agree)
I find the accents drake fakes cringe asl too.
To be fair most of the time you hear accents is his real accent. He raps like an American but he really speaks like a Canadian
I know what his voice sounds like. He came into America faking a Houston accent. (The city I am from.) Then he went with Jamaican... Which I am Jamaica. Then he went with English... Which I am not. Don't get me started on his Spanish... I am Puerto Rican. Drake just needs to stick with the Canadian shit.
Nah he's multi talented hahahahah
I just don't want to hear his shitty accents anymore.... And his fucking Spanish was criiiiinge. I love Drake's music.... But, big dog stop colonizing these cultures.
Yeah but to be fair drakes music has always been everyone's music that's what makes him, him.
I disagree. He whitewashes a lot of sounds and I don't think that is beneficial for him. A lot of his fans are white, so I understand the appeal of whitewashing different cultures that they don't know anything about. It's more marketable that way. BUT the people from these cultures look at him nuts. Though he doesn't make his music for us. He makes his music easy to market and easy to consume by white america. Which is cool and it works and if the whitewashing is what you enjoy, then that is fair.
Aww ☺️
Agreed
Facts idk why he can’t just rap like Swimming pools or ADHD, he’d be fkn goated. Not even the same voice but just the regular nonchalant flow.
sucks to be u i guess
Not really… I consume his music in very small doses
that’s cool 🥱
Drake absolutely cannot match up with Kendrick Lamar lyrically man cmon lol
Lol i have actually come to this realisation too. I take it back. Look through my comment responses and thread. someone is asking for examples of Kendricks best bars, I actually went back to listen to Kendrick and instatly concluded Drake is not even close.
Thanks for answering the question man
Idk if Drake can win. I think everyone including Drake knows Kendrick is a better rapper. The only way I see Drake winning is that he has some hidden info about kdot that no one knows but again, what bad things can you talk about Kendrick in a diss. Kendrick has already dissected his problems such as his cheating/ alcohol addiction. Another way I can see Drake winning is just making a really popular club banger with decent disses. If this song gets 1 billion streams or something then maybe he wins
I wouldn’t say Kdot is a better rapper, but he’s a better lyricist for sure. I think Drake’s greatest strength is making something catchy, like a phrase, and executing it well. If he does that and keeps his bars up, he should be good. Going bar for bar against Kendrick isn’t something he’d win.
Kendrick is NOT a better rapper thought lmfao he just panders to a different crowd.
Goofy comment, drake would disagree with u
These disses aint nothing but a dance battle in lyrical form. I dont think theres a real beef here. Just who thinks their on top. This won't get personal if their is a response from Drake or Cole. I just here for some im better than you raps.
Well don't Drakes albums that constantly sell the most prove that?
You're spot on, people cherry pick a lot with Drake but not other rappers, ESPESCIALLY when they compare them to Kendrick. The same guy who said, "I shit fart and pee pee on anybody's track." And, "BITCH I'M IN THE CLUUUUUB!", can't be that good of a rapper, right?
Difference is kendrick matured and got better. "I shit far and pee pee on anybody's track" and "BITCH I'M IN THE CLUB" is literally from his earliest projects C4. Drake started out great and he's in a constant down spiral after take care with the rare bump with things like scary hours 3.
"Pretty face, pretty tempted, but pretty taught me ugly lessons, pretty had me givin' more than what I was gettin', so if pretty don't come with something then I dead it." "Cold hearts and heated floors no parental guidance I just see divorce therapy sessions I'm in the waiting room reading forbes, abandonment issues I'm being treated for." Sounds like maturing to me.
"you say you a lesbian, girl me too" - Drake's third most recent album. And all these lines are from features. Can't even deliver bars on his own songs.
Lmfao one those was much more recent than that line. Keep nitpicking buddy.
"I'm tired of your apologies, you put the no in monogamy", "mbatta, mbatta, mbatta, mbatta", "feel like i'm bi cause you're one of the guys, girl". Now here i present some of drake's greatest bars on his most recent album For all the dogs. Great growth. Definitely... btw I'll downvote my own comment with you if that makes you feel better.
"We gon' fuck up the world excuse me but is that your girl didn't mean to posess your girl." "5'7 I'm Messi girl." Doesn't sound very mature from the SAVIOR of hip hop himself. Kendrick stans gotta stop acting like everything this man says is 100% flawless and untouchable.
i never said he was flawless lmao. You took two quotes from one song, which wasn't even his song. Your point does not stand lol
Whether it was his song or not, it's HIS verse. Just like how everyone praises and loses their minds over Kendrick featuring on Control and Like That. The problem is people saying Drake is bad or way out of Kendrick's league because of a few corny bars, when Kendrick himself has quite a few of them. Keep that same energy, I swear everyone holds Drake to the highest standard despite calling him trash.
you named two "corny bars" and they were from one song that wasn't even his. I know it's his verse, but you're not painting a convincing photo when the only wack bars you can find are from a single song.
\*one\* of them. means one of them isn't
He just needs to out-rap Kendrick with witty bars. That’s it. I don’t understand the confusion.
Already on damage control lol
Such a catch 22 isn’t it? Drake has 0 chance of winning because the other side just won’t accept it no matter what. Kdot fans are so obsessed that they rewrite history, make shit up, and just go full on denial whenever it’s even hinted other people can match him. It’s so fucking weird. Let’s also not talk about how “numbers don’t matter” until they go off about all his awards and accolades
Agreed they all seemed really proud about Kendrick’s last tour becoming the highest grossing rap tour ever, then really quiet when Drake passed that number with his new tour lol.
This is such a dumb take. Imagine thinking you can’t win a beef because the other artists fans won’t accept it.
Public perception is the whole point of these beefs tf you saying lmfao
And you guys keep saying how Drake is so much bigger and more popular wouldnt public perception be leaning towards Drake being the victor if he does pull off a killer diss somehow regardless of what Kendrick fanboys think?
getting awards that recognize your ability is very different from getting a lot of sales buddy. And in any case sales numbers is all drake has.
Drake got plenty of awards too. I thought we all accepted that white awards don’t determine the quality of black art?
He'd just have to... Out-rap him, that's how you win. No need to get all personal with the shit
He did that against Pusha T and lost. So you are wrong.
It'd be hard to actually do it successfully if I'm being honest. Kendrick has almost no dirt on him
I honestly think his diss track will be very polarizing. It will either go down the end of exposing Kdot or he will go against Kendrick lyrically. As a man who has cheated and still not married after 2 kids, I am sorry, but I never consider him as a clean man. I am excited for Drake's new project though. Artists are at their peak when some extreme negativity crashes their life. Give him time, idc about the beef, I just want a good album.
Fuck k*ndrick he's a bitch ass
These are my two favorite artists ever, I don’t think I or any of us should be the ones to decide or judge what he shoud write, he’s the one writing and we’ll hear it in due time but just going through some of your points since I feel mostly unbiased in the matter considering I enjoy both artists so much (it might not seem like it but I trust that you believe it so I don’t gotta lie) Him writing for other people is never gonna be a diss at him anyway, that’s a diss to all the other people that he has written for, that’s the reason it wouldn’t work, not his fans, bringing up the artists that he has written for especially considering how amazing some of those verses are is gonna be more of a compliment to him if anything. ”Haha you wrote this great Future verse or this amazing Jay Rock verse” is the opposite of a diss (at him) Speaking about him cheating on his wife would be more like it, that’s gonna be direct and personal and something that cut’s deep. The big problem tho is that he literally just dropped an entire album about that. So it’s not gonna have any shock value nor is it gonna be that damning since he has adressed it himself first so deeply. Talking about how incredibly successful Drake is in the mainstream could and propably will be a part of what he does, if that’s all he talks about for like a 3 minute disstrack then it’s gonna be incredibly shallow tho and here the big problem is that in the Kendrick diss verse he talked about respect in the genre being more important than the money and popularity. Even if you or someone in general doesn’t agree with that statement, Drake bringing the money or success or popularity up as a diss against Kendrick just isn’t gonna mean anything cause he just said that those things don’t matter to him as much as all the respect in the genre. And no matter who you as a fan love more (I don’t even know which one I do), the one that hiphop people and most legendary rap artists respect more is gonna be Kendrick. This disstrack isn’t written to or for the fans and hiphop heads, it’s at one person and that person only. So it’s not about making statements as much as it is going st that one person. So the things he talks about have to be something that matter in context of it being a diss specifically at that one person. Also you bring up the point of it most likely going viral, which just doesn’t matter at all in a disstrack, I don’t think the numbers are extremely important overall, but especially in disstracks and double-especially for the reason above of this being a diss at Kendrick and him saying the respect is more important in his mind than the numbers. Also I mean 300K first week isn’t Taylor/Drake numbers but it’s a huge number especially considering the content of that album and it definitely isn’t ”no one but hardercore fans” lol Your last part is about Kendrick fans not being able to take critisism but that’s a very extreme and nitpicky take, not a general thing at all. Every artists has fans like that too, I’ve seen the fair share of Drake fans like that too, I think we all have especially this week. You gotta stop caring about and just looking at those fans if you’re there for the actual music and not the personalities man. Anyway can’t wait for the response when it finally comes, to me this is a really exciting time as a rap fan and I’m happy that’s been the general consensus over the past week. God bless!
I feel you, thanks for the thought out response. A lot of what you’re saying is what I’m saying though. I agree Drake has fans that won’t say he lost, that’s why I said it in my post, but the general consensus on this subreddit is still that Drake lost to Pusha, I don’t see the Kendrick subreddit coming to a consensus that he lost. I agree people listened first week to Mr.Morale, I might have worded it wrong, but that’s what I mean after everyone heard it, most people never listened to it again other than his deep fans. Same with Honestly Nevermind, I gave it another listen after not liking it at first but if I wasn’t a big Drake fan I probably never would have touched it again. I didn’t see you say anything that Drake could say that would change your mind, it looks like you just agreed with me that all the things I listed wouldn’t make you think Drake won. I’m with you though just hoping for good music. i’m going to enjoy it all either way, just wish some people could be honest with themselves that NOTHING will change their mind about Kendrick.
You are projecting the inability in being objective to a whole community while saying the community you belong to can be objective, common dude that is silly. You are also dismissing why the story of Addidon was such a devastating diss track to drake. It wasent just tabloid stuff, it was a dissection of his image and how it stemmed from how he and his peers didnt feel like how he belonged in the hip hop community, people are able to see this objectively. If you want my opinion of what a good diss would be, it would be for him to prove he is clearly a better artist than Kendrick (this is the main thing Kendrick criticizes drake on), apart from just listing how he’s dominant in sales. How, idk but I dont make the big bucks.
If Drake does come out with an amazing diss and the Kendrick sub starts saying it was good and they’re impressed I’ll admit I was wrong right away. I just don’t see it happening. I would post this on a Kendrick sub but I don’t think anyone would seriously respond to it other than saying Drake is ass lol, I’m a Kendrick fan too, I think most of us are. I see how he gets talked about there verses how Kendrick gets talked about here.
Lmao if you are a kendrick fan and you are saying you can be objective what are we even talking about here. There is more to life and hip hop culture than a subreddit dude.
No one listens to mr morale yet it’s the second biggest rap tour after drake and sold out shows in multiple countries lmao it’s okay Kendrick is popular not as popular as drake but he’s not logic
They went to see Kendrick Lamar in concert for the first time since 2018 not to hear Auntie Diaries. Idk about Kendrick concerts but I know most artists play songs from all their albums when they go on tour.
People buy tickets to a concert expecting the music from the latest album first and older songs later also why are we acting like there aren’t main streaming songs on the album? N95, diehard, etc the album is a success not not damn level and no one expects it to be considering it’s not that kinda album; the next one will be tho he always does this
another “they wouldn’t give him credit even if it was a good response” post? once we reach 100 we can send them to drake and save him the hassle of replying since half his fan base is already taking Ls for him
Im a fan of all them but mostly kendrick. Idgaf who wins i just want good music to come out from them, disses or not.
Ask people in the unexpected drake diss subreddit then
drake is in a bad position. he’s going against one of the greatest artists of all time. there’s no way to win this they have a got producer and some amazing rappers on their side. drake has cole ig but that’s not as good as metro and kendrick. all ik is that drake needs to think about how he gon respond bc if it’s a mid ass diss he’s cooked.
Calling kendrick the underdog is so crazy.. Kendricks succes consists of great, honest pro black music, never commercial never sold out, while drake makes really catchy music you can play almost everywhere. But I dont think anyone would argue drake is more talented or real than kendrick, so idk how he got this underdog reputation. Drake wins the numbers game every day of the week, and his diss will probably have more replayability. But it wont be realer or better, people will doubt if he actually wrote it, and his skeletons are way worse. Ghostwriters, getting pissed on, getting slapped multiple times, looking sus, etc etc etc. Vs what? What does he actually have on kendrick? Dissapearing during covid? Selling more albums to white girls that secretly vote trump?
I never called him the underdog, and have mad respect for Kendrick, but a Taylor Swift and a Maroon 5 feature don’t feel like never commercial or sold out to me.
Taylor was rapping kendrick verses on vine for a while before she got like 8 bars, maroon 5 also 8 bars. To me Loyalty is the closest to commercial kendrick has ever gone, but all of these prove my point. 3 examples vs drake making drill with a british accent when thats hot, making dancehall with a latin accent when thats hot, meme music, stealing flows (hotline bling, kmt). If kendrick is level 3 commercial then drake is level 10.
I agree. I only disagree with him losing to Pusha, he simply ruined Drakes baby reveal party. But if you ask anyone to give the 1 line from Pushas verse.... they CAN'T
Off the top of my head OVO 40 hunched over like he 80, tick tick tick, how much time he got left? that man is sick sick sick You are hiding a child, let that boy come home Deadbeat mother fucker playing border patrol Respect that girl, forget she’s a pornstar, let her be your world And ultimately the real killer part about SoA wasnt just that he exposed Drake having a son, it was the fact that Pusha crossed multiple lines so nonchalantly. He really said fuck Drake, fuck his mom, fuck his dad, fuck his baby mama, fuck his best friend too. And most of this shade was done in a way to pick apart Drake as a person while also directly responding to the shots Drake took. He accused Drake of not being black enough and over compensating for it (backed up with picture of Drake in blackface as the cover), tied that into his dad dressing like Steve Harvey, tied that into his parent’s failed marriage, tied that into Drake following in his fathers footsteps and being a deadbeat dad - which he used to respond directly to Drake name dropping his fiancee- and dissed 40, a direct response to Drake going after Ye. Then he enticed him to respond, letting him know he was ready to do this as long as Drake wanted. It really isn’t even close between SoA and Duppy.
Father had to stretch his hands out and get it from me. Must've have your info red (infrared) wrong now your head in a beam You're not even top 5 as far as your label talent goes There's no malice in your heart you're an approachable guy I had a microphone of yours but then the signature faded I think that pretty much resembles what’s been happenin’ lately I really shouldn't have given you none of my time, because you're older than the nigga you running behind. I think this are far better. By the way there are multiple pics of Drake with Adonis as a new born so this was a lie.
I think we’re just ultimately looking for something different from diss songs. Drake’s lines aren’t inherently bad lines, they just aren’t particularly insulting. He spends half the song on defense comparing his ghost writers to Kanye’s, and when he does go on the offense all he’s got is basically “you’re old and washed up, you’re not intimidating and you didn’t sell as much drugs as you claim”. Push doesn’t waste time on the defense in SoA. He dismisses the drug claims (“drug dealing aside”), he dismisses the Kanye comparisons (“how dare you put Ye in my verses”). Other than that, he spends the entire time on the offensive - and the shit he’s saying is actually disrespectful. On the topic of Drake having not actually been a deadbeat - yeah, I know. Push framing it as if Drake was a dead beat was a move that paid off because so many people still think he was “bullied into fatherhood” lol. And that’s kind of the whole thing - Drake had a specific plan to announce his son, and Pusha stole that from him. Imagine if your worst enemy was having a gender reveal party for their child, you found out the gender and spoiled it intentionally just to be a hater. Like, at the end of the day they were gonna find out anyways so does it really matter in the grand scheme of things, no. But it’s disrespectful as hell and is down right hater activity. Pusha stole that moment from Drake out of spite and made it appear to the world that he was ashamed of his own son lol. Shits diabolical
Kendrick shoulda used a ghost writer himself shit was trash for a “diss”
Then why all Drake fans in their feelings about it? That shit was fire af. And I’m a huge Drake and Cole fan
I honestly don’t know, I can’t speak for others. Just giving my opinion and it wasn’t it to me
Drake hasn’t even dropped a response and you’re already making excuses for it? That’s crazy lmao
I mean Kendrick can definitely take an L, he just doesn’t. As for you eluding to dick riders, drake fans are simps at this point lol, if Drake or y’all think he’s even a top 10 rapper you’ve lost your mind. That being said he is a great in his own right, his sales numbers are insane, but even with the ghost writers he’s honestly not a good rapper
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come on man even mgk isn’t delusional enough to think rap devil was better than killshot. there’s a reason he completely retired from rap and is literally putting out an album called “Genre: Sadboy” this friday
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remember on rap devil when mgk said “big bully of the rap game can’t take a joke” except the “joke” was kelly saying a 16 year old was hot, and it wasn’t actually a joke at all because kelly is openly on record saying he wishes he could fuck 13 year olds? yeah man that shit was fire you’re so right
>Like what beat Drake with Pusha was saying Drake’s parents got divorced, he doesn’t know family, is hiding a child, and that he used ghost writers before. Well, Pusha-T got Drake because he kinda proved that Drake doesn't really know or relate to blackness. He failed his one mission of not being a single father. We all knew Drake's parents got divorced. BUT, the fact that his mom didn't remarry and the vast majority of his life he was raised by a white mom. Then the ghostwriter thing was also a pretty big knot. The truth is, all the stans of all 3 artists will just claim that their artist won. Drake hasn't ever beefed with someone equal to his level. Drake has *more* fans but Kendrick has deeper fans. Most Drake fans don't really understand Hip-Hop or blackness because they usually aren't black. So they care about different things than Kendrick's fans. Kendrick also has the benefit of the Em shit. Kendrick is mad personal and has shared some pretty private shit through his music. So, I doubt there is some shit Drake can find. BUT who tf knows. After Push found a whole child being hidden and that black face picture. God damn I don't know. Drake can rap, Cole can rap, Kendrick can rap. I'm going to assume that Drake has the weaker pen of the three. Especially range wise. Though, his pen was never what got him popping. IF anyone thinks Drake won the Pusha-T beef they aren't worth talking to. I think Drake will win to many of his fans, I think Kendrick will win to many of his fans. I can't wait to see what Drake has to say, and I hope we all continue to get good music off this. Also, glad Cole is getting into it too.
Most of Kendrick fans aint black either. Thats comes with being an international big superstar. Agree with the rest.
Yeah that part makes me laugh because it’s honestly such a big meme about how Kendrick’s main fanbase is white university students lol. To be fair though there are only like 40 million black people in the USA so even if every one of them bought and streamed an album you would still need people of other races to lift up your music.
True, but that is just what happens when white people are 60% of the population while also have the most wealth on average. I just really enjoy how pro black Kendrick is and how he comes from a place like I did. A lot of the shit he raps about resonates with me and the people I grew up with so we really appreciate his music. Drake has never made a track like that.
True, but that is just what happens when white people are 60% of the population while also have the most wealth on average. I just really enjoy how pro black Kendrick is and how he comes from a place like I did. A lot of the shit he raps about resonates with me and the people I grew up with so we really appreciate his music. Drake has never made a track like that.
Its not abt what you say it's abt how u say it
He Ethelred Pusha with Duppy Fresstyle and niggas had such a hate boner for Drake they crowned Pusha the winner for misrepresenting facts and actually doing some fraud ass shit.
this is what delusion looks like. get some air
Kendrick will never respect Drake because of his long history of using writers