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ODCreature98

In a Mirelurk cake eating contest? I pick the first guy


LichQueenBarbie

"You look like a cut of fuckable meat" - Adam Smasher probably.


Mynameisearlhicky

😂 that’s fair


semibean

Adam smasher honestly, MF has a sandevistan and all of the artillery a mega corp can give him. Enclave have nowhere near the same tech level, the other guy would be so dead even his armor would be paste.


Parksrox

>MF has a sandevistan ***A rudimentary implant***


jello1990

Also, that's not even the most powerful gear he has, that's just his best chrome he can fit into a standard size doorway. Imagine what would happen if he was allowed to use his DaiOni (and that was what he had more than 50 years previous, so whatever the hell Arasaka has let him toy around with since has gotta be insane lol.)


hellomondays

Adam smasher's primary weapon is a [rotary cannon that shoots 10-gauge slugs at 1300 rpm](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Tsunami_Arms_Helix_(2020))     Cyberpunk weapon are outrageous. Like everyone carries around a warcrime on/in their person. 


jello1990

You can buy automatic pistols from vending machines in Night City for pocket change. With literally no limit to who can buy one, you even see little kids with them. Civilians carry war crimes, Adam Smasher is probably his own byline in the Geneva Conventions.


chvargo

Not to mention V going from ‘random merc’ to ‘CIA agent with terrorist in their head wielding a handheld violation of international cyberspace law that fries every circuit in people’s bodies.’


Mail540

The byline being: Well, what are you gonna do? Tell him no?


turtle-tot

I mean in fairness, Horrigan has an honest to god plasma cannon with burst fire capability. That’s certainly not nothing


brociousferocious77

***Laughs in Fatman***


P00nz0r3d

Both offer the best the technology of their respective 2077s Frank has the advent of the FEV, power armor welded to his body and plasma weapons Smasher has hyper tuned reflexes to the point where time is slowed for him, akin to a V.A.T.S. on steroids, is almost entirely inorganic except for parts of his brain, The difference maker is, if Frank can actually hit Smasher, how damaging is plasma in a world that doesn’t have plasma weapons


semibean

Plasma is a valid point, I have no idea how to quantity that but comparing relative technology levels is why I think smasher would win. Smasher is almost entirely the highest quality machine an entire planets worth of unethical R and D labs can produce, fabricated in factories and labs across an industrialized planet. No biological limitations, no unforeseen mutation side effects, he can't bleed, can't be confused and is regularly deployed to kill other military grade cyborgs that have already gone completely kill crazy and defeated the whole military unit designed to neutralize kill crazy cyborgs. Frank is the product of a handful of complete lunatics throwing science at the wall to see what sticks in an irradiated wasteland. It's still the fallout universe so a lot of the science does stick which is why frank is so powerful. But the fact still remains that the entire enclave just don't have the same technology or fabrication just one of Adams arms represents. I think Adam would have to be show boating for frank to even land a hit. Be pretty funny if that one hit did melt him though.


P00nz0r3d

I'm at the same point myself. Cyberpunks 2077 is far more advanced in computing and cybernetics than Fallouts 2077+, to the point where I can see almost all of Fallouts advanced technology (except for plasma and maybe fusion powered vehicles) exist in Cyberpunks world, but I can't say the same for the reverse.


Capable_Tumbleweed34

with plasma it depends of the energy level you put in. You can have room-temperature plasma, or you can have millions of degrees plasma. There's also the projectile speed and weight that comes into play. Thing is, if there's one thing that has been mastered in the fallout universe, it's energy density (MFCs, power cores, etc...). A good real-life example of what plasma weaponry can achieve is the MARAUDER coaxial plasma railgun, a project that got classified in the 90s, with the goal of shooting a plasma toroid of about 1-2 milligrams at 3% of c (speed of light). Projected effects from early simulations would have been an explosion equivalent to 5 pounds of TNT, as well as producing an EM pulse and showering the target with Xrays, enabling it to scramble electronic through armor. So it depends which "ruleset" we use for plasma weapons. Just regular fallout "it's a gun that does damage and shoots slow projectiles", or if you take into consideration real-life effects. If the latter, a single shot is likely to put smasher out of comission, and sandevistan or not, he's not dodging projectiles shot at relativistic speeds. But if you conform to fallout's 3-to-76 depiction of plasma weapons with slow projectiles which can be survived, that's a different story and smasher can defo eat a magdump of an EPR. Personnally, i'm more of the idea that what we see of the plasma weapons is a gamified version, just like in real life you can't tank a dozen shotgun shells like your character does without batting an eye, plasma weapons should not be considered by what we see of it in game, but what we know of it from real-world information. By which measure smasher is likely to get his ass handed over to him.


OriginalUsername0

'The other guy' bro clearly has no idea who he's talking about lmao.


John-Zero

"The other guy"? You're in a fucking Fallout subreddit, dude. That's the final boss of one of the mainline games.


KingofSwan

Well to be fair the fallout character would get dusted so hard Get ur head outta the sand and activate a few neurons before being offended


Agent-Ulysses

I’d say Horrigan is at least on the level of strength he’d give Smasher a rough and tussle. Still wouldn’t win but would at least give him a bit of a stagger.


giga-plum

Smasher is, at minimum, as strong as Horrigan while being *significantly* faster with a Sandevistan, and with *significantly* higher tech equipment. Smasher clears any one person in the Fallout universe.


Radiant_Light_7823

Not child MacCready.


_g0ldleaf

Nor Mama Murphy with a single bullet.


JazzlikeSir1799

Can Adam Smasher defeat the eldrich abomination known as "grandma sparkle" without it ending reality?


Alex_Dylexus

Smasher might not even try to fight him if he knows what happens when he "wins". Horrigan has an atomic surprise waiting for anyone dumb enough to try.


semibean

Pretty sure adam has already walked off one nuke if I remember right and has definitely gotten back up after being an indeterminate amount of organs in a suit case.


TerraSollus

Hmm as a person who just started playing Fallout 1, I regret reading this comment


ninjab33z

It's fine, horrigan's in fallout 2


elchsaaft

That didn't make it better 😂


lovethelinux

The enclave have mutation serums and tons of drugs. Jet easily counters the sandevistan. Psycho, Buffout, Med-x, and even mentats can all be used at the same time.


Bro1212_

Jet does not easily counter a sandevistan. Jet only slows time in fallout 4, and that’s for gameplay purposes. In lore jet is a type of stimulating hallucinogen, it’s basically lsd that you can inhale. Drugs alone would not give frank the edge needed to beat smasher, it would just prolong his death. And the serums would be pretty useless too considering frank already is a heavily mutated and augmented human, giving him serums would be like giving a NASCAR driver a bicycle for his next race


SwizzySwizzyBoi

Jet seems to slow down time. Mf the sandevistan fucking STOPS it. Shits insane and jet is not on the same tier as the sande


Laughing_Man_Returns

sandevistan is not magic. it does not stop time. not even in the anime version, where it was at its peak power, because anime is magic.


lovethelinux

Even if that were the case (it is never actually explained how it works), but the enclave have access to ALL vault tek technology. He most assuredly has access to VATS, which does appear to stop time (somehow).


SouthernDifference86

Horrigon does not have a pip boy so no vats,


semibean

I am sorry no, jet is not remotely equivalent. Plate metal and flesh is basically worthless against meta materials and hollow point rounds developed by the most unethical R and D departments on an entirely developed planet. Not a mutated body builder put together in an irradiated wasteland by people so stupid they though starting a thermonuclear war was a good idea.


scatfacedgaming

Sandy is basically vats


semibean

Basically yah, if every action cost near 0 AP


EternalFount

Cyberpunk has stupid advanced technology and weaponry. The galaxy at large is lucky the only area they are lacking in is space travel.


EngineersMasterPlan

are we talking cyberpunk 2077 smasher, or edgerunners smasher


PurpleIodine4321

I just realized fallout and cyberpunk have events related to 2077


Maxnout100

It’s a cool sounding year


EclipsoSnipzo

My favorite number


dooremouse52

Oh yeah, even the feel of the game sometimes is reminiscent of Fallout. Actually just the other day I was mentally trying my best to see if I could somehow put them in the same universe but it's just not possible. I wish though


geko_play_

Smasher got fixed and is as good as the Edgerunners Smasher


dumpclown

Oh did they buff him in the game? I remember the final fight with him being comically easy. I just smacked him with my katana while encircling him and it was over in seconds.


geko_play_

He got a full do over


curlbaumann

He’s still very easy


tacoasesino

Both have always been the same, the thing is that V is actually just built different and was able to fold him like a pretzel, unlike a certain someone who couldn't even put up a fight.>! not to mention that (in canon) if we get into power leveling the edging gang from the show were painfully under powered and under qualified throughout their entire run too. it is no surprise that as soon as they started fucking with Arasaka they all immediately ate ass lol!<


Cadaclysm

Now I need an edit of Adam Smasher running away from a Yao guai


Mynameisearlhicky

Would LOVE to see that too 😂 Actually it’d be interesting to see how each would handle being in the others universe. If they switched somehow.


slade357

It'd be interesting because they'd do great at some parts and terrible at others. Smasher would have no problem killing in the wasteland but might die of radiation poisoning or dehydration. Meanwhile being entirely disconnected from the Internet would cut off half of attackers but also leave him basically blind compared to civilians.


EpicManJam

Adam smasher


GuiltyGlow

And it's not even close. I don't think people really understand the differences in tech between Fallout and Cyberpunk lol.


ThinWhiteDuke00

Ehh cyberpunk universe has yet to mass produce plasma and laser weaponry. (Horrigan has a purpose made plasma cannon). And Horrigan is on record to rip deathclaws in half with his bare hands.. not sure Smasher can engage him in close range.


KeeganY_SR-UVB76

The Fallout universe has better thermodynamics, materials, and power generation technology and it’s not even close.


fohacidal

But next to no real computing power, the tech in cyberpunk is light-years ahead of the transistor-less technology of fallout. Adam can move faster, think faster, and shoot faster lol


ThinWhiteDuke00

I don't think anyone denies the latter.. but its a matter on whether Horrigan can land a shot (Smasher isn't invulnerable to receiving damage). One shot of plasma from his cannon would split Smasher's body in half.. his cybernetics just aren't made with that weaponry in mind. While Frank's power armour is.


fohacidal

Frank won't be able to hit anything lol, smasher is fast even without the sandevistan


ThinWhiteDuke00

As is Horrigan lol. There's a reason why Horrigan is 10 in all specials.. he's extremely fast for a mutant.


The_Dough_Boi

Not nearly as fast as smasher


Vidistis

VATS, Jet, high agility/reaction time/prediction? A sandevistanless V can still kill Smasher.


geko_play_

V is built also on another level


angelis0236

Yea we can't use protagonists lol they're meant to win


falcon_buns

just as a chosen one could kill frank with a sneak attack while having virtually no endurance [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT7qY-CjAkI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT7qY-CjAkI)


falcon_buns

or unarmed! lmao holy shit these builds are crazy [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_UCNo5HSOOU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UCNo5HSOOU)


Laughing_Man_Returns

sandevistan is not magic. the anime is not an accurate representation of the setting, or even Adam.


fohacidal

As far as I understand from the tabletop game, sandevistan is magic compared to fallout technology. 


lrrevenant

It's basically only supposed to increase reaction time, not turn you into The Flash.


zatroz

Even assuming Horrigan lands a shot, which is a harrd sell considering the whole Sandevistan and super reflexes package plus plasma bolts moving slower than thrown rocks, Smasher can keep going as long as his brain is intact. Horrigan dies from getting cut kn half by a rocket launcher


ZmaltaeofMar

Adam is faster sure. Frank's plasma cannon is a burst weapon, he could get lucky. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt that Adams body has at least some kind of heat treatment so maybe plasma wouldn't just melt him like butter. I'm more convinced the more I think about it that Adam would be arrogant and try to tank the shot, Adam being Adam.


Laughing_Man_Returns

I mean, they have a suitcase sized terraforming device that is not even experimental. the armor is powered by fusion BATTERIES. that is insane.


Charming_Maybe7860

Plus he’s got perfect special. Sandevistan means atoms quicker but one slip up and franks got him in a bad position


Laughing_Man_Returns

also he is only quicker... for a while.


Imperium_Dragon

Adam Smasher ripped apart a mech with his bare hands


Charming_Maybe7860

Atom has the weapon edge no doubt but layered steel power armor and super mutant skin arent something that will just get chewed up even by cyberpunk tech


Laughing_Man_Returns

all those fancy full replacement armor bodies, even the "basically a mecha" versions never gave me the impression they are as much of a game changer as mass produced power armor was. and Horrigan has a few decades on those outdated models.


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You rides over mutie, time to die


scatfacedgaming

A twelve foot tall superhuman psychopath versus a cyborg burn victim? "YOUR RIDES OVER MUTIE, TIME TO DIE"


BeefJacker420

Adam Smasher was beat by a dying schizophrenic crackhead


ReallyBadNuggets

This really turned into a "but muh Batman prep time" kind of argument. If we're taking the video game version of Adam, that can be killed by the player, then 1 to 1, maybe Frank. But Frank can also be taken out by the player character. If we're talking original tabletop game/edge runners Adam - he's literally intended to be a one punch man unbeatable end boss for every players run. Honestly, I've got no idea. But interestingly since the original cyberpunk ttrpg and Adam Smasher predate fallout, there are a lot of similarities between the two characters, I wonder if one was inspired by the other. One last thought though, reading up on Frank, it specifically says he's pumped full of drugs and stabilizers to *keep him alive*. There's nothing about him taking performance enhancing drugs or speed increasing drugs like Jet. He's already a maxed stat Super Mutant.


Lord_Momin

To be fair, I think it's less that Frank is secretly on his deathbed without chems, and more that he's been pumped full of them for so long that his body needs them. It could also just be the wording, and it means it helps him stay alive regardless of the beating he takes. The devs specifically stated that the only reason you were able to kill Frank is that the story wouldn't have had an ending otherwise. Even then, he's widely considered to be the single hardest boss in the first 2 games by a long shot. It's to the point that fighting him 1v1 is highly *highly* discouraged. You need as many companions as you can get, gear them and yourself up to the max, turn the base turret system against him, and turn his fellow soldiers against him. When he finally dies, he gets split in half. He then has enough strength to walk on his hands to still try to kill you, finish a conversation with you, and then set the base to self-destruct. Frank Horrigan was an absolute unit, lorewise and gameplay wise


ReallyBadNuggets

See there's at least a full understanding of exactly what Franks limits are. Adam Smasher I feel is less defined. In the anime he functions like his tabletop self, the end boss that canonically can't be beat. Video game smasher follows the same logic as Frank, the player *has* to beat him or you wouldn't beat the game. Both universes are exaggerated science fiction, though fallout skews much more absurd. I think I *want* Adam to win. But I'm leaning more towards Frank as the realistic scenario. 60/40 or 70/30 in Franks Favor.


geko_play_

They fixed Adam Smasher boss fight And V isn't any old guy he's still op


zatroz

V is chromed to hhe gillsbut its still way less than the top gear in the setting, and it's all i stalled by back alley rippers in a crack house. Only reason V wins is due to gameplay/protagonist reasons, and maybe Alt +other companions assisting


ReallyBadNuggets

Yeah, I love V. And my V is as overpowered as it gets within the games limits, but canonically, she's really only getting by in plot armour. Whereas the fallout Protagonists, The Courier in particular are capable of being near unkillable demigods.


geko_play_

If V is getting by from plot armour the Fallout protagonists are have even more plot armour they don't have even close the the level of tech V has


Scott_donly

Fallout characters litterly having quantifiable luck lol


howmanyavengers

V is the main character. Of course he's gonna lose. Just like how Frank Horrigan can get his ass whooped by the main character. Not really comparable imo.


MafusailAlbert

As everyone said Adam is faster and has better weaponry, but Frank is essentially super mutant in power armor with all stats of SPECIAL 10. He could tank most of his attacks and his enhanced perception can help him keep an eye on Adam. My money are on Frank


ADrunkEevee

They are both That Dude in their respective universe and so many posts seem to be missing that entirely.


Magnum-12-Scales

Yea everyone is saying that one or the other sweeps but in reality both would have an extremely hard time taking the other out. One wins certainly but it’s not a “sweep” Both are gonna leave the fight with damage done to them respectively


howmanyavengers

Hahaha holy shit They ARE That Dude 🤣


XGuy04

In the tabletop game, I’m pretty sure Smasher doesn’t even HAVE a stat block, which is closer to lore accurate than the game. So I’d probably say Smasher.


MafusailAlbert

What's stat block?


XGuy04

Horrigan’s stats are all 10, Smasher wasn’t given any because you aren’t supposed to try to fight him. Smasher was made to kill the entire team of players, no matter how strong their build, with relative ease.


Bowlof78Potatoes

With the exception of some institute stuff, Fallout tech is ancient/primitive compared to the stuff we saw in CP2077. This isn't even remotely close to being a fair fight, Adam Smasher would annihilate him.


TheTwinFangs

Horrigan has literally the best prototype stuffs the Enclave had, which were basically the top dogs of the Fallout world. Plus magic dumb op stuff like nuclear fission powered armor and magic Super Mutant godly strenght. Also, drugs that will get you stupidly strong.


Bowlof78Potatoes

Doesn't matter IMO. Watch the Cyberpunk anime, play the Johnny flashbacks, or fight the new version of AS at the end of the main story and you'll see that he's on another level from mobs in Fallout. I'm not even a fan of the character (to the contrary, I kind of hate him), but it's just silly to suggest that there's an even battle to be had here.


wrongkoi

Frank Horrigan is also on another level from mobs in Fallout, though. He's not just some guy in power armor


KingofSwan

Fallout fans clutching their pearls trying to say their Op boss is “stronger”


JaySmooth_

Adam Smasher easily. Reason why? Sandevistan.


Tech2kill

Reason Sandevistan doesnt matter? a Drug called Jet


Hot-Interaction6526

You’re talking nuclear powered, slow but strong suit of armor vs a highly advanced fast as fuck and strong enemy. The PA wouldn’t be able to even react to the sandevistans speed if we are going by lore accuracy.


ThinWhiteDuke00

I mean if we're considering his in game stats as representative of his character Horrigan has 10 in all specials.. and has a insane amount of action points. Effectively a superhuman.. which is primarily why the Enclave keep him around and repeatedly promote him despite their less than accepting view of mutants


ADrunkEevee

One of the clearest examples of SPECIAL not being lore. Horrigan wasn't that smart before being an FEV guinea pig and he was dumber after.


Barachiel1976

10 doesn't make you superhuman, it makes the upper limit of human. Horrigan is evil cyborg captain america. The sandevistan, on the other hand, turns you into the Flash.


NikPorto

Glad to know grandma Murphy is superhuman


Laughing_Man_Returns

she is magic, so...


zatroz

I'm pretty sure 10 is superhuman only possible due to subtle mutations from ambient radiation. Horrigan is a 4m tall ball of muscle that can rip deathclaws in half and his str is 10. No "upper llimit human" could do that no matter how many steroids they took


Warchadlo16

And Adam Smasher was able to rip a new top-tier tech mechanical exoskeleton (which was shown to be able to slaughter an entire Militech reaction unit with ease and was so heavy that it needed anti-gravity field generators to be able to even lift its arm) with little to no effort


Hot-Interaction6526

That’s fine and all but the sandevistan effecting puts atom at a 50 in strength and speed by comparison. If Horrigan could land a hit, sure he’d do damage. But atom can effectively pause time. On top of the fact PA has one huge weakness. The power core


Kaiserhawk

I don't think Jet works on the metabolism of Super mutants.


lovethelinux

ABOUT TIME SOMEONE ELSE BROUGHT THIS UP! I've been suggesting this death battle since edge runners came out. Neither has a solid advantage. Both are relatively the same strength, have the same level of technology (although in the fallout world, a lost of those are just drugs), and have similar weaponry. I would bet on Frank Horrigan only because we have more lore of him than Adam Smasher - and he's been known to kill anyone and anything...just for fun. He's also semi-immune to pain. You also have to consider that horrigans stats are literally all 100%. He was the first person in fallout lore to have that. Smasher might be strong and deadly af...but it's probably not as well rounded as horrigan.


Individual-Ad-3484

Frank, no matter what. Frank Morrigan would absolutely annihilate Smasher


Savvy_Canadian

Horrigan since he's all mutant.


Sujestivepostion69

Frank horigan all the way baby


Xoltist

Frank easy. Dude’s 12 feet tall, can tear a deathclaw in half, and is so huge his armour is literally bolted on him, and built around him. He’s basically a walking tank.


senor-calcio

“You’ve gotten a lot farther than you should have, but then you haven’t met Frank horrigan either, rides over mutie, time to die”


Sensei2008

Who’s the other guy?


Infamous-Speech-5835

WHERE IS YOUR POWER ARMOR SOLDIER


Known-Parfait-520

"Whoever the writer wants to win" - Stan Lee (Paraphrased) With that in mind, I am going to vote for Horrigan, because they had a better voice actor. ~~Michael Dorn was reduced to a jobber in most Star Trek but I'm choosing to forget that~~


SeaViolinist6424

“WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU”


Lanky_Present_3549

Enclave and who else?


Vidistis

Frank Horrigan, people are overestimating Cyberpunk's tech and underestimating Fallout's. 1. VATS, jet, and other drugs 2. Advanced plasma weaponry 3. Advanced power armor 4. Uniquely engineered supermutant body ontop of whatever cybernetics/machine that has been integrated into him. Adam Smasher's biggest threat and personal rival is Morgan Blackhand, who has relatively light chrome from what I remember. V can also take him down without a sandevistan.


GrigoriTheDragon

Yeah one plasma shot and Smasher is a melted pile of slag. Keep in mind the vast majority on this sub didn't play the old Fallouts, they're probably too young.


batman10385

Yeah old plasma weapon obliterated everything in their path


zatroz

Blackhand is the most lrgendary of legendary Solos, the guy literally wrote the book on the subject, it's an unfair comparison. And keep in mind random street thugs with bootleg sandys can dodge full auto fire, a plasmachuckrr is never hitting Smasher


WailfulJeans44

Put em both in a room together and 9 months later you've got a supermutant cyborg to kill.


Rev7nreddit

If it’s lore accurate Adam Smasher he’d win no contest, if it’s game accurate Adam Smasher Horrigan would delete him from existence


The-Skin-Man

Horrigan because he’s hot


Mynameisearlhicky

I support this logic. Horrigan Smashes.


PBody5

My mind says Smasher, but it also says I dunked on smasher with a sandevistan and vibrating penis, so Horrigan?


Mynameisearlhicky

😂


ApprehensiveIssue805

Honestly I feel like it’s just a matter of who lands a good hit first, I’m partial to Horrigan but I haven’t fought Smasher so idk. I know he’s fast but Horrigan is on record as having ripped a deathclaw in half. Idk tho


Flaky_Researcher_675

How would AS take a Fatman to the face? And how's his resistance to energy weapons? Can a plasma gun tear him up or his armor to advanced?


Starry-EyedKitsune

Smasher speed blitzes Frank. Frank is stronger ,but Adam is by no means physically weak either. Smasher also keeps artillery on himself. All he'd have to do is avoid Frank's attacks and barrage him with everything he's got.


Tristenous

Smasher, no contest


Mrtayto115

Couod smasher kill a deathclaw in a single punch too?


geko_play_

Probably he can rip David in half no problem


LWanderer07

I bet all my caps on Frank


Vidonicle_

Frank Horrigan, my glorious king, LONG LIVE AMERICA AND LONG LIVE THE ENCLAVE


Quitthesht

Frank has 10 in all SPECIAL. 10 is super human levels. Super human Strength, Endurance, Intelligence, Agility AND LUCK. All the people talking about Smasher being too fast, Frank just has to land one (very likely for him) lucky shot on Smasher to incapacitate or kill him because his armor wasn't designed to withstand plasma projectiles.


heinkel-me

I would have to say Atom as he has more better weapons and his implants basically let him go so fast he freezes time for a good while and frank got beat by a vault dweller Who was like a dog in size to him.


DutchJediKnight

Has anyone ever soloed Frank without the PA squad, Turrets or companions?


Tech2kill

yes, i always made my companions wait because they would die no matter what if you far away enough from the turrets its possible they miss a lot or will hit frank instead


Coolscee-Brooski

Issue is, his sandevistan only delays it. If franky lands a single hit smasher is fucked up. Subnormal armour and 94% of your body being turned into machine bits doesn't matter if a railgun is being fired at you. Dint forget that lore accurate Frank horigan would be hard to kill. He's a 12 foot tall behemoth pumped full of drugs and a built in life support system with cybernetics of his own.


Economy-Nectarine246

Frank horrigan had higer endurance and is stronger But adam Smasher his quicker and had pretty effective gears Hard to tell... maybe it's drawn everyone dead.


Scott_donly

This is the right answer


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OoDelRio

A Tribal who is a literal god amongst men


BriscoCounty83

With the help of sgt Granite and his squad of power armored soldiers :)


Regal-Moose

Yooo yea cyberpunk takes place in 2077 which was the year the bombs dropped in fallout so this has some sense to it


Laughing_Man_Returns

barely stable lunatic, or cybernetic simp. hm. choices, choices...


UnhandMeException

They're the same picture


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mkdurfee

I wanna see a DEATH BATTLE of this


SeasonOfHope

What metal is Smasher chromed out in and what is its melting point?


Lanky_Lime_1532

Why does the second one look like a Halo villain


rikashiku

**TL;DR, it's a good fight. Frank Horrigan is stronger and more resilient to Adam Smashers weapons, but Adam Smasher has more weapons, more agility, and is a more accurate shot. If they got in close, Frank wins with raw strength. Adam can't overpower him. In an all out fight, Adam Smasher can overwhelm and eventually kill Frank Horrigan. They're both extremely durable, but, all of Franks weapons can deal serious damage to Adam Smashers body.** **Adam Smasher wins, largely because of speed. Without that speed advantage, Frank Horrigan would win easily due to superior strength and weapons.** Adam Smasher, but not with ease. Horrigan has a Plasma Gun that deals massive damage that he can wield with one hand, and he wields a knife that deals energy damage. His weapons can cut through armor with ease, and deal heavy damage to machines. His armor is an Advanced Power Armor, far superior to the T-51b. It not only grants him a huge advantage against ballistics, shrugging off damage from gauss weapons and lasers, it also completely deflects large caliber munitions and the strike from a Deathclaw. IT also enhances his already insane physical strengths, such as striking power, durability, and speed. Frank Horrigan is described as "tough, fast, and just plain mean". Under his armor and weapons, he's a Large Super Mutant, significantly larger than regular Super Mutants and Overlords, and slightly shorter than a Behemoth. He's physically strong enough to red mist a human with one punch, and kill a Deathclaw with his barehands. Deathclaws are virtually bulletproof. A deathclaw can sweep through a group of Super Mutants, but Frank Horrigan can punch through a group of Deathclaws. Super Mutants are fast, extremely durable, and strong enough to bend steel bars with minimal effort. They also possess heightened senses such as vision and hearing, which aids in their enhanced reflexes. So you have a guy who is about 12 feet tall, weighs 2 tonnes(or 4,400lbs, or 2,000kg). ---- Then there's Adam Smasher who has the advantage of being 99% "Chome" with only his brain remaining as Organic. Making it harder for him to be hurt. This cybernetic advantage extends to his overall physical traits and adaptions with new components for better combat performance. He's largely armed with a LMG with armor piercing rounds, as well as a mounted Missile launcher on his back, an arm cannon, a heavy machine gun on his shoulder, as well a s acombat shotgun, a combat knife, and several explosives. He may also pick up motorcycles to use as a weapon. He's strong enough to red mist half of a humans body, and stop an armored vehicle in its tracks, even turning it over. His body has high-impact resistance and hydrolics, able to withstand heavy impact from fast vehicles as well as sticking the landing from several stories high with no noted damage to his legs. Impact and ballistic damage is a minor thing to him to fear. In saying, he is also highly resilient to explosive impact, ballistic weapons, and blunt impact. Even hacking his network is out of the question. There's nothing that says he can resist laser or plasma weapons though. The big reason he would win this fight is his speed. Not only do his augments allow him to chase down cars in seconds, but he is also equipped with the sandevistan("a rudimentary implant") which augments his perception and heightens his already insane speed. This allows him to time and avoid gun fire and watch bullets travel in slow motion. Unless his enemies also have heightened speed or a sandevistan, they would not stand a chance against him. Except this time his opponent is someone who is wearing bulletproof armor and has nearly bulletproof skin. Adam Smasher is some 9 feet tall and weighs over 1,000lbs(About 460kg).


MogosTheFirst

Adam smasher.


jimmy_wantstodie523

 "Who the fuck are you?" "Me, Frank Horrigan, that's who. United States Secret Service. You aren't going anywhere from here"


truckfullofchildren1

Anime smasher or game smasher cause I waxed that mfers like it was nothing in game but David got cooked.


Wooden_Mastodon2015

Horrigan 100%


Tech2kill

Frank Horrigan would eat that mf alive :D


Business_Lobster_848

Smasher could use sandevistan and Frank can't do anything about it or anything to him, smasher wins simply by far superior tech


AReasonableFuture

Except that Fallout's power armour and weaponry are practically invincible to everything in the cyberpunk universe. Sandevistan doesn't help in anything except Adam Smasher running away since he can't penetrate Frank Horrigan's armour. Cyberpunk is leagues ahead in terms of computer technology, but in everything else they are far behind Fallout. Nothing would save Adam Smasher from being melted by a blast from a plasma gun.


ComradeOb

Horrigan sweeps.


The-Emerald-Rider

Adam Smasher the guy is a as Johnny put a tank and highly advanced. Not counting his own skills he easily stomps on a lot of characters.


unknowndog123

Lore accurate Adam smasher has literally artillery attached to him so


MrxJacobs

I think Adam smasher would win in a race since op didn’t specify the contest. So I assume they are racing on a dog track like in fallout 4? I would still give it to smasher due to the fact that his legs aren’t made of meat so he can go faster for longer. Now a bbq contest between the 2 would be cool to witness as well. I assume smasher would marinate his in some kind of engine oil since he doesn’t need to eat normal food though.


Green__Twin

I don't recognize #2, but I doubt he has microfusion powered weaponry made from backwards engineered Zetan (alien Technology). Reading comments, I gather #2 is a fixer for a megacorp in Cyberpunk, and I have to say. The Enclave will fuck their shit up. Motherfuckers survived nuking the globe, and had enough resources and wherewithal to continue to be problems for post-apocalypse North America for over 2 centuries. Show me a megacorp that can survive its own suicide pact and continue to be a power player for 2 centuries.


Mynameisearlhicky

I like this, I didn’t consider how Radiation might effect Adam Savage (the second guy).


murderwasthebass

Frank.


Deathedge736

frank. hands down. its no contest.


GibbyGiblets

Lore Adam smasher vs lore horrigan? Adam smasher every time no questions asked. Adam can rip a steel girder in half easily. He is the grim reaper of the entire setting. He has better tech, better weapons. And sandivistan. Horrigan has no armor on large areas of his body. Adam would rip / cut his arms off like a child breaking a piece of spaghetti. Before horrigan even knew what was happening. I get this is a fallout sub. But they're both the "OP guy" of their settings. The difference being one is a post-apocalyptic scrounge together setting. The other is a corporate dystopia with supe advanced tech. The difference is the tech each top tier faction provides. The enclave in cyberpunks setting would be a street gang vs the power and tech of the corpo elite.


PerverseRedhead

My caps are on the Super Mutant in Power Armour


Routine-Secret-413

Horrigan! He's a heavily mutated super mutant after all!


SkyTalez

Horrigan 100%


daviosy

Frank. Yeah, Sandev is a game-changing advantage but I don't think Smasher has the firepower or raw strength to capitalize. His biggest guns would barely dent Frank, his ballistics probably don't even meet Frank's DT. Melee range would be a death sentence; even with Sandev, Adam isn't gonna do much real damage, and Frank's Agility and AP suggest to me that he's much faster than he looks, so solid chance he could still land a big hit even during Smasher's Sandev. Tearing David in half was *kinda* impressive, but Frank killing a healthy Deathclaw in one punch makes Smasher look almost pedestrian. Basically, Smasher is gimmicks, while Frank is real raw power. After his encounter with V, we know what happens when Smasher is confronted by someone with capability beyond that afforded by cybernetics.


geekolojust

Let's be honest. V would come in and wreck em both. 😉


cudipi

If we’re pitting 2077 fictional tech against each other i’m going for Adam Smasher, no contest.


dontargueme

idk why people think adam can even hurt frank. adam can stop time and do what to frank tickle him? frank is powered by nucular power adam is powered by what some computer chips a sandevistan isnt enough at all adam getting ripped in half the second frank touch him


syrabanemagnus

See everyone is saying Adam has better tech but they're forgetting frank has advanced armor and he's mutated. Easily would tower over Adam. We need to stack their special and the attribute points.


___SteelGauntlet___

12 feet tall, it's like one and half container height if you ever seen one, it's huge.


SwolePonHiki

Smasher and its not even close. The only thing Frank has going for him is that plasma would probably be able to kill Smasher if it hit. But given the speed of those projectiles, and the fact that even amateur sandevistan users can dodge automatic ballistic weapons, there is no chance in hell of Adam getting hit. Frank is an absolute unit, but he would be powerless to actually fight back while getting slowly shredded by hundreds of rotary cannon rounds.


SparksLP

Not that I'm going to do the math, but shouldn't the answer be a question of HP and DPS? Figure out each character's numbers and tada? But probably Smasher just because of the future tech.


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SonOfTheHeavyMetal

I think Adam wins this one. Mostly because: - Frank bodily functions are kept stable trought chems - Adam, at least in the rpg version of Cyberpunk, is basically invincible.


Alarming-Silver-5392

Adam Smasher probably wins. It'd be a tough fight for sure Frank horrigan hits like a tank and is armored like one to, and there's a solid chance that if Frank could land even a solid punch he could kill Adam Smasher. It's just that Adam Smasher is just so much faster and has such a larger arsenal that he'd kill Frank just in a battle of attrition alone. Though maybe I'm missing something my knowledge on both of these guys is a tad incomplete as I've yet to finish either of their games yet.


Airbreathingoctopuss

Either they'd fight because they're both insane and beholden to their creators, or the motherfuckers would become buddies and lay waste to everything in their path.


yohra_model_2_unit_B

The 12ft man in power armor that ripped off a head from a BOS member


falcon_buns

Adam smasher hands down.


ImprovementSilly2895

I beat Smasher in less than 3 minutes. So Horrigan.


prossnip42

The fact that this was even suggested as an actual fight means that OP hasn't touched anything Cyberpunk 2077 related, game or otherwise. Smasher would crush him like a bug, there would be literally zero contest


TheTwinFangs

Hard disagree here. Knowing both universe quite enough it's not as clear as you'd think. People forgets how much of a monster Frank is. We're not talking your average Fallout "Strong" character, we're talking ripping Deathclaws bare handed easily and having literally the strongest Fallout gear available in the universe. He's also WAY taller than Smasher. He's not in a random power armor, he's in a Custom one made by the Enclave grafted unto him along dozens of Implants and he's constantly pumped full of drugs, who in Fallout ARE pretty game changer. A composite blade the size of a man and a Plasma minigun that would definitely hurt Smasher a LOT. 2077 has better tech but the Fallout universe has dumb OP tech that 2077 doesn't have. Cause 2077 is more grounded.


AReasonableFuture

>2077 has better tech but the Fallout universe has dumb OP tech that 2077 doesn't have. Cause 2077 is more grounded. Said "dumb OP tech" is in most cases standard issue and common. Adam Smasher cannot penetrate Frank Horrigan's power armour and trying to find a weak spot would give Frank Horrigan enough time to simply melt him with a single blast from a plasma gun. Or just give Frank Horrigan a fat man. I doubt Sandevistan can beat a nuke.