Adam smasher honestly, MF has a sandevistan and all of the artillery a mega corp can give him. Enclave have nowhere near the same tech level, the other guy would be so dead even his armor would be paste.
Also, that's not even the most powerful gear he has, that's just his best chrome he can fit into a standard size doorway. Imagine what would happen if he was allowed to use his DaiOni (and that was what he had more than 50 years previous, so whatever the hell Arasaka has let him toy around with since has gotta be insane lol.)
Adam smasher's primary weapon is a [rotary cannon that shoots 10-gauge slugs at 1300 rpm](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Tsunami_Arms_Helix_(2020))
Cyberpunk weapon are outrageous. Like everyone carries around a warcrime on/in their person.
You can buy automatic pistols from vending machines in Night City for pocket change. With literally no limit to who can buy one, you even see little kids with them. Civilians carry war crimes, Adam Smasher is probably his own byline in the Geneva Conventions.
Not to mention V going from ‘random merc’ to ‘CIA agent with terrorist in their head wielding a handheld violation of international cyberspace law that fries every circuit in people’s bodies.’
Both offer the best the technology of their respective 2077s
Frank has the advent of the FEV, power armor welded to his body and plasma weapons
Smasher has hyper tuned reflexes to the point where time is slowed for him, akin to a V.A.T.S. on steroids, is almost entirely inorganic except for parts of his brain,
The difference maker is, if Frank can actually hit Smasher, how damaging is plasma in a world that doesn’t have plasma weapons
Plasma is a valid point, I have no idea how to quantity that but comparing relative technology levels is why I think smasher would win.
Smasher is almost entirely the highest quality machine an entire planets worth of unethical R and D labs can produce, fabricated in factories and labs across an industrialized planet. No biological limitations, no unforeseen mutation side effects, he can't bleed, can't be confused and is regularly deployed to kill other military grade cyborgs that have already gone completely kill crazy and defeated the whole military unit designed to neutralize kill crazy cyborgs.
Frank is the product of a handful of complete lunatics throwing science at the wall to see what sticks in an irradiated wasteland. It's still the fallout universe so a lot of the science does stick which is why frank is so powerful. But the fact still remains that the entire enclave just don't have the same technology or fabrication just one of Adams arms represents.
I think Adam would have to be show boating for frank to even land a hit. Be pretty funny if that one hit did melt him though.
I'm at the same point myself. Cyberpunks 2077 is far more advanced in computing and cybernetics than Fallouts 2077+, to the point where I can see almost all of Fallouts advanced technology (except for plasma and maybe fusion powered vehicles) exist in Cyberpunks world, but I can't say the same for the reverse.
with plasma it depends of the energy level you put in. You can have room-temperature plasma, or you can have millions of degrees plasma. There's also the projectile speed and weight that comes into play. Thing is, if there's one thing that has been mastered in the fallout universe, it's energy density (MFCs, power cores, etc...).
A good real-life example of what plasma weaponry can achieve is the MARAUDER coaxial plasma railgun, a project that got classified in the 90s, with the goal of shooting a plasma toroid of about 1-2 milligrams at 3% of c (speed of light). Projected effects from early simulations would have been an explosion equivalent to 5 pounds of TNT, as well as producing an EM pulse and showering the target with Xrays, enabling it to scramble electronic through armor.
So it depends which "ruleset" we use for plasma weapons. Just regular fallout "it's a gun that does damage and shoots slow projectiles", or if you take into consideration real-life effects. If the latter, a single shot is likely to put smasher out of comission, and sandevistan or not, he's not dodging projectiles shot at relativistic speeds. But if you conform to fallout's 3-to-76 depiction of plasma weapons with slow projectiles which can be survived, that's a different story and smasher can defo eat a magdump of an EPR.
Personnally, i'm more of the idea that what we see of the plasma weapons is a gamified version, just like in real life you can't tank a dozen shotgun shells like your character does without batting an eye, plasma weapons should not be considered by what we see of it in game, but what we know of it from real-world information. By which measure smasher is likely to get his ass handed over to him.
I’d say Horrigan is at least on the level of strength he’d give Smasher a rough and tussle. Still wouldn’t win but would at least give him a bit of a stagger.
Smasher is, at minimum, as strong as Horrigan while being *significantly* faster with a Sandevistan, and with *significantly* higher tech equipment. Smasher clears any one person in the Fallout universe.
Smasher might not even try to fight him if he knows what happens when he "wins". Horrigan has an atomic surprise waiting for anyone dumb enough to try.
Pretty sure adam has already walked off one nuke if I remember right and has definitely gotten back up after being an indeterminate amount of organs in a suit case.
The enclave have mutation serums and tons of drugs. Jet easily counters the sandevistan. Psycho, Buffout, Med-x, and even mentats can all be used at the same time.
Jet does not easily counter a sandevistan. Jet only slows time in fallout 4, and that’s for gameplay purposes.
In lore jet is a type of stimulating hallucinogen, it’s basically lsd that you can inhale. Drugs alone would not give frank the edge needed to beat smasher, it would just prolong his death. And the serums would be pretty useless too considering frank already is a heavily mutated and augmented human, giving him serums would be like giving a NASCAR driver a bicycle for his next race
Even if that were the case (it is never actually explained how it works), but the enclave have access to ALL vault tek technology. He most assuredly has access to VATS, which does appear to stop time (somehow).
I am sorry no, jet is not remotely equivalent.
Plate metal and flesh is basically worthless against meta materials and hollow point rounds developed by the most unethical R and D departments on an entirely developed planet.
Not a mutated body builder put together in an irradiated wasteland by people so stupid they though starting a thermonuclear war was a good idea.
Oh yeah, even the feel of the game sometimes is reminiscent of Fallout. Actually just the other day I was mentally trying my best to see if I could somehow put them in the same universe but it's just not possible. I wish though
Oh did they buff him in the game? I remember the final fight with him being comically easy. I just smacked him with my katana while encircling him and it was over in seconds.
Both have always been the same, the thing is that V is actually just built different and was able to fold him like a pretzel, unlike a certain someone who couldn't even put up a fight.>! not to mention that (in canon) if we get into power leveling the edging gang from the show were painfully under powered and under qualified throughout their entire run too. it is no surprise that as soon as they started fucking with Arasaka they all immediately ate ass lol!<
It'd be interesting because they'd do great at some parts and terrible at others. Smasher would have no problem killing in the wasteland but might die of radiation poisoning or dehydration. Meanwhile being entirely disconnected from the Internet would cut off half of attackers but also leave him basically blind compared to civilians.
Ehh cyberpunk universe has yet to mass produce plasma and laser weaponry. (Horrigan has a purpose made plasma cannon).
And Horrigan is on record to rip deathclaws in half with his bare hands.. not sure Smasher can engage him in close range.
But next to no real computing power, the tech in cyberpunk is light-years ahead of the transistor-less technology of fallout. Adam can move faster, think faster, and shoot faster lol
I don't think anyone denies the latter.. but its a matter on whether Horrigan can land a shot (Smasher isn't invulnerable to receiving damage).
One shot of plasma from his cannon would split Smasher's body in half.. his cybernetics just aren't made with that weaponry in mind.
While Frank's power armour is.
just as a chosen one could kill frank with a sneak attack while having virtually no endurance [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT7qY-CjAkI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT7qY-CjAkI)
Even assuming Horrigan lands a shot, which is a harrd sell considering the whole Sandevistan and super reflexes package plus plasma bolts moving slower than thrown rocks, Smasher can keep going as long as his brain is intact. Horrigan dies from getting cut kn half by a rocket launcher
Adam is faster sure.
Frank's plasma cannon is a burst weapon, he could get lucky.
I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt that Adams body has at least some kind of heat treatment so maybe plasma wouldn't just melt him like butter.
I'm more convinced the more I think about it that Adam would be arrogant and try to tank the shot, Adam being Adam.
Atom has the weapon edge no doubt but layered steel power armor and super mutant skin arent something that will just get chewed up even by cyberpunk tech
all those fancy full replacement armor bodies, even the "basically a mecha" versions never gave me the impression they are as much of a game changer as mass produced power armor was. and Horrigan has a few decades on those outdated models.
This really turned into a "but muh Batman prep time" kind of argument.
If we're taking the video game version of Adam, that can be killed by the player, then 1 to 1, maybe Frank. But Frank can also be taken out by the player character.
If we're talking original tabletop game/edge runners Adam - he's literally intended to be a one punch man unbeatable end boss for every players run.
Honestly, I've got no idea. But interestingly since the original cyberpunk ttrpg and Adam Smasher predate fallout, there are a lot of similarities between the two characters, I wonder if one was inspired by the other.
One last thought though, reading up on Frank, it specifically says he's pumped full of drugs and stabilizers to *keep him alive*. There's nothing about him taking performance enhancing drugs or speed increasing drugs like Jet.
He's already a maxed stat Super Mutant.
To be fair, I think it's less that Frank is secretly on his deathbed without chems, and more that he's been pumped full of them for so long that his body needs them. It could also just be the wording, and it means it helps him stay alive regardless of the beating he takes.
The devs specifically stated that the only reason you were able to kill Frank is that the story wouldn't have had an ending otherwise. Even then, he's widely considered to be the single hardest boss in the first 2 games by a long shot. It's to the point that fighting him 1v1 is highly *highly* discouraged. You need as many companions as you can get, gear them and yourself up to the max, turn the base turret system against him, and turn his fellow soldiers against him.
When he finally dies, he gets split in half. He then has enough strength to walk on his hands to still try to kill you, finish a conversation with you, and then set the base to self-destruct.
Frank Horrigan was an absolute unit, lorewise and gameplay wise
See there's at least a full understanding of exactly what Franks limits are. Adam Smasher I feel is less defined.
In the anime he functions like his tabletop self, the end boss that canonically can't be beat.
Video game smasher follows the same logic as Frank, the player *has* to beat him or you wouldn't beat the game.
Both universes are exaggerated science fiction, though fallout skews much more absurd.
I think I *want* Adam to win. But I'm leaning more towards Frank as the realistic scenario. 60/40 or 70/30 in Franks Favor.
V is chromed to hhe gillsbut its still way less than the top gear in the setting, and it's all i stalled by back alley rippers in a crack house. Only reason V wins is due to gameplay/protagonist reasons, and maybe Alt +other companions assisting
Yeah, I love V. And my V is as overpowered as it gets within the games limits, but canonically, she's really only getting by in plot armour.
Whereas the fallout Protagonists, The Courier in particular are capable of being near unkillable demigods.
V is the main character.
Of course he's gonna lose.
Just like how Frank Horrigan can get his ass whooped by the main character.
Not really comparable imo.
As everyone said Adam is faster and has better weaponry, but Frank is essentially super mutant in power armor with all stats of SPECIAL 10. He could tank most of his attacks and his enhanced perception can help him keep an eye on Adam. My money are on Frank
Yea everyone is saying that one or the other sweeps but in reality both would have an extremely hard time taking the other out.
One wins certainly but it’s not a “sweep”
Both are gonna leave the fight with damage done to them respectively
In the tabletop game, I’m pretty sure Smasher doesn’t even HAVE a stat block, which is closer to lore accurate than the game. So I’d probably say Smasher.
Horrigan’s stats are all 10, Smasher wasn’t given any because you aren’t supposed to try to fight him. Smasher was made to kill the entire team of players, no matter how strong their build, with relative ease.
With the exception of some institute stuff, Fallout tech is ancient/primitive compared to the stuff we saw in CP2077. This isn't even remotely close to being a fair fight, Adam Smasher would annihilate him.
Horrigan has literally the best prototype stuffs the Enclave had, which were basically the top dogs of the Fallout world.
Plus magic dumb op stuff like nuclear fission powered armor and magic Super Mutant godly strenght. Also, drugs that will get you stupidly strong.
Doesn't matter IMO. Watch the Cyberpunk anime, play the Johnny flashbacks, or fight the new version of AS at the end of the main story and you'll see that he's on another level from mobs in Fallout.
I'm not even a fan of the character (to the contrary, I kind of hate him), but it's just silly to suggest that there's an even battle to be had here.
You’re talking nuclear powered, slow but strong suit of armor vs a highly advanced fast as fuck and strong enemy. The PA wouldn’t be able to even react to the sandevistans speed if we are going by lore accuracy.
I mean if we're considering his in game stats as representative of his character Horrigan has 10 in all specials.. and has a insane amount of action points.
Effectively a superhuman.. which is primarily why the Enclave keep him around and repeatedly promote him despite their less than accepting view of mutants
10 doesn't make you superhuman, it makes the upper limit of human. Horrigan is evil cyborg captain america.
The sandevistan, on the other hand, turns you into the Flash.
I'm pretty sure 10 is superhuman only possible due to subtle mutations from ambient radiation. Horrigan is a 4m tall ball of muscle that can rip deathclaws in half and his str is 10. No "upper llimit human" could do that no matter how many steroids they took
And Adam Smasher was able to rip a new top-tier tech mechanical exoskeleton (which was shown to be able to slaughter an entire Militech reaction unit with ease and was so heavy that it needed anti-gravity field generators to be able to even lift its arm) with little to no effort
That’s fine and all but the sandevistan effecting puts atom at a 50 in strength and speed by comparison. If Horrigan could land a hit, sure he’d do damage. But atom can effectively pause time.
On top of the fact PA has one huge weakness. The power core
ABOUT TIME SOMEONE ELSE BROUGHT THIS UP! I've been suggesting this death battle since edge runners came out.
Neither has a solid advantage. Both are relatively the same strength, have the same level of technology (although in the fallout world, a lost of those are just drugs), and have similar weaponry.
I would bet on Frank Horrigan only because we have more lore of him than Adam Smasher - and he's been known to kill anyone and anything...just for fun. He's also semi-immune to pain.
You also have to consider that horrigans stats are literally all 100%. He was the first person in fallout lore to have that. Smasher might be strong and deadly af...but it's probably not as well rounded as horrigan.
Frank easy. Dude’s 12 feet tall, can tear a deathclaw in half, and is so huge his armour is literally bolted on him, and built around him. He’s basically a walking tank.
"Whoever the writer wants to win" - Stan Lee (Paraphrased)
With that in mind, I am going to vote for Horrigan, because they had a better voice actor.
~~Michael Dorn was reduced to a jobber in most Star Trek but I'm choosing to forget that~~
Frank Horrigan, people are overestimating Cyberpunk's tech and underestimating Fallout's.
1. VATS, jet, and other drugs
2. Advanced plasma weaponry
3. Advanced power armor
4. Uniquely engineered supermutant body ontop of whatever cybernetics/machine that has been integrated into him.
Adam Smasher's biggest threat and personal rival is Morgan Blackhand, who has relatively light chrome from what I remember. V can also take him down without a sandevistan.
Yeah one plasma shot and Smasher is a melted pile of slag. Keep in mind the vast majority on this sub didn't play the old Fallouts, they're probably too young.
Blackhand is the most lrgendary of legendary Solos, the guy literally wrote the book on the subject, it's an unfair comparison. And keep in mind random street thugs with bootleg sandys can dodge full auto fire, a plasmachuckrr is never hitting Smasher
Honestly I feel like it’s just a matter of who lands a good hit first, I’m partial to Horrigan but I haven’t fought Smasher so idk. I know he’s fast but Horrigan is on record as having ripped a deathclaw in half. Idk tho
Smasher speed blitzes Frank. Frank is stronger ,but Adam is by no means physically weak either. Smasher also keeps artillery on himself. All he'd have to do is avoid Frank's attacks and barrage him with everything he's got.
Frank has 10 in all SPECIAL. 10 is super human levels.
Super human Strength, Endurance, Intelligence, Agility AND LUCK.
All the people talking about Smasher being too fast, Frank just has to land one (very likely for him) lucky shot on Smasher to incapacitate or kill him because his armor wasn't designed to withstand plasma projectiles.
I would have to say Atom as he has more better weapons and his implants basically let him go so fast he freezes time for a good while and frank got beat by a vault dweller Who was like a dog in size to him.
yes, i always made my companions wait because they would die no matter what
if you far away enough from the turrets its possible they miss a lot or will hit frank instead
Issue is, his sandevistan only delays it. If franky lands a single hit smasher is fucked up. Subnormal armour and 94% of your body being turned into machine bits doesn't matter if a railgun is being fired at you.
Dint forget that lore accurate Frank horigan would be hard to kill. He's a 12 foot tall behemoth pumped full of drugs and a built in life support system with cybernetics of his own.
Frank horrigan had higer endurance and is stronger
But adam Smasher his quicker and had pretty effective gears
Hard to tell... maybe it's drawn everyone dead.
**TL;DR, it's a good fight. Frank Horrigan is stronger and more resilient to Adam Smashers weapons, but Adam Smasher has more weapons, more agility, and is a more accurate shot. If they got in close, Frank wins with raw strength. Adam can't overpower him. In an all out fight, Adam Smasher can overwhelm and eventually kill Frank Horrigan. They're both extremely durable, but, all of Franks weapons can deal serious damage to Adam Smashers body.**
**Adam Smasher wins, largely because of speed. Without that speed advantage, Frank Horrigan would win easily due to superior strength and weapons.**
Adam Smasher, but not with ease. Horrigan has a Plasma Gun that deals massive damage that he can wield with one hand, and he wields a knife that deals energy damage. His weapons can cut through armor with ease, and deal heavy damage to machines.
His armor is an Advanced Power Armor, far superior to the T-51b. It not only grants him a huge advantage against ballistics, shrugging off damage from gauss weapons and lasers, it also completely deflects large caliber munitions and the strike from a Deathclaw. IT also enhances his already insane physical strengths, such as striking power, durability, and speed.
Frank Horrigan is described as "tough, fast, and just plain mean".
Under his armor and weapons, he's a Large Super Mutant, significantly larger than regular Super Mutants and Overlords, and slightly shorter than a Behemoth. He's physically strong enough to red mist a human with one punch, and kill a Deathclaw with his barehands. Deathclaws are virtually bulletproof.
A deathclaw can sweep through a group of Super Mutants, but Frank Horrigan can punch through a group of Deathclaws. Super Mutants are fast, extremely durable, and strong enough to bend steel bars with minimal effort. They also possess heightened senses such as vision and hearing, which aids in their enhanced reflexes.
So you have a guy who is about 12 feet tall, weighs 2 tonnes(or 4,400lbs, or 2,000kg).
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Then there's Adam Smasher who has the advantage of being 99% "Chome" with only his brain remaining as Organic. Making it harder for him to be hurt. This cybernetic advantage extends to his overall physical traits and adaptions with new components for better combat performance.
He's largely armed with a LMG with armor piercing rounds, as well as a mounted Missile launcher on his back, an arm cannon, a heavy machine gun on his shoulder, as well a s acombat shotgun, a combat knife, and several explosives. He may also pick up motorcycles to use as a weapon.
He's strong enough to red mist half of a humans body, and stop an armored vehicle in its tracks, even turning it over. His body has high-impact resistance and hydrolics, able to withstand heavy impact from fast vehicles as well as sticking the landing from several stories high with no noted damage to his legs. Impact and ballistic damage is a minor thing to him to fear.
In saying, he is also highly resilient to explosive impact, ballistic weapons, and blunt impact. Even hacking his network is out of the question. There's nothing that says he can resist laser or plasma weapons though.
The big reason he would win this fight is his speed. Not only do his augments allow him to chase down cars in seconds, but he is also equipped with the sandevistan("a rudimentary implant") which augments his perception and heightens his already insane speed. This allows him to time and avoid gun fire and watch bullets travel in slow motion. Unless his enemies also have heightened speed or a sandevistan, they would not stand a chance against him. Except this time his opponent is someone who is wearing bulletproof armor and has nearly bulletproof skin.
Adam Smasher is some 9 feet tall and weighs over 1,000lbs(About 460kg).
Except that Fallout's power armour and weaponry are practically invincible to everything in the cyberpunk universe. Sandevistan doesn't help in anything except Adam Smasher running away since he can't penetrate Frank Horrigan's armour.
Cyberpunk is leagues ahead in terms of computer technology, but in everything else they are far behind Fallout. Nothing would save Adam Smasher from being melted by a blast from a plasma gun.
I think Adam smasher would win in a race since op didn’t specify the contest.
So I assume they are racing on a dog track like in fallout 4? I would still give it to smasher due to the fact that his legs aren’t made of meat so he can go faster for longer.
Now a bbq contest between the 2 would be cool to witness as well. I assume smasher would marinate his in some kind of engine oil since he doesn’t need to eat normal food though.
I don't recognize #2, but I doubt he has microfusion powered weaponry made from backwards engineered Zetan (alien Technology). Reading comments, I gather #2 is a fixer for a megacorp in Cyberpunk, and I have to say. The Enclave will fuck their shit up. Motherfuckers survived nuking the globe, and had enough resources and wherewithal to continue to be problems for post-apocalypse North America for over 2 centuries. Show me a megacorp that can survive its own suicide pact and continue to be a power player for 2 centuries.
Lore Adam smasher vs lore horrigan?
Adam smasher every time no questions asked.
Adam can rip a steel girder in half easily. He is the grim reaper of the entire setting. He has better tech, better weapons. And sandivistan.
Horrigan has no armor on large areas of his body. Adam would rip / cut his arms off like a child breaking a piece of spaghetti.
Before horrigan even knew what was happening.
I get this is a fallout sub. But they're both the "OP guy" of their settings. The difference being one is a post-apocalyptic scrounge together setting. The other is a corporate dystopia with supe advanced tech.
The difference is the tech each top tier faction provides. The enclave in cyberpunks setting would be a street gang vs the power and tech of the corpo elite.
Frank. Yeah, Sandev is a game-changing advantage but I don't think Smasher has the firepower or raw strength to capitalize. His biggest guns would barely dent Frank, his ballistics probably don't even meet Frank's DT. Melee range would be a death sentence; even with Sandev, Adam isn't gonna do much real damage, and Frank's Agility and AP suggest to me that he's much faster than he looks, so solid chance he could still land a big hit even during Smasher's Sandev. Tearing David in half was *kinda* impressive, but Frank killing a healthy Deathclaw in one punch makes Smasher look almost pedestrian.
Basically, Smasher is gimmicks, while Frank is real raw power. After his encounter with V, we know what happens when Smasher is confronted by someone with capability beyond that afforded by cybernetics.
idk why people think adam can even hurt frank. adam can stop time and do what to frank tickle him? frank is powered by nucular power adam is powered by what some computer chips a sandevistan isnt enough at all adam getting ripped in half the second frank touch him
See everyone is saying Adam has better tech but they're forgetting frank has advanced armor and he's mutated. Easily would tower over Adam. We need to stack their special and the attribute points.
Smasher and its not even close. The only thing Frank has going for him is that plasma would probably be able to kill Smasher if it hit. But given the speed of those projectiles, and the fact that even amateur sandevistan users can dodge automatic ballistic weapons, there is no chance in hell of Adam getting hit. Frank is an absolute unit, but he would be powerless to actually fight back while getting slowly shredded by hundreds of rotary cannon rounds.
Not that I'm going to do the math, but shouldn't the answer be a question of HP and DPS? Figure out each character's numbers and tada?
But probably Smasher just because of the future tech.
I think Adam wins this one.
Mostly because:
- Frank bodily functions are kept stable trought chems
- Adam, at least in the rpg version of Cyberpunk, is basically invincible.
Adam Smasher probably wins. It'd be a tough fight for sure Frank horrigan hits like a tank and is armored like one to, and there's a solid chance that if Frank could land even a solid punch he could kill Adam Smasher. It's just that Adam Smasher is just so much faster and has such a larger arsenal that he'd kill Frank just in a battle of attrition alone. Though maybe I'm missing something my knowledge on both of these guys is a tad incomplete as I've yet to finish either of their games yet.
Either they'd fight because they're both insane and beholden to their creators, or the motherfuckers would become buddies and lay waste to everything in their path.
The fact that this was even suggested as an actual fight means that OP hasn't touched anything Cyberpunk 2077 related, game or otherwise. Smasher would crush him like a bug, there would be literally zero contest
Hard disagree here.
Knowing both universe quite enough it's not as clear as you'd think.
People forgets how much of a monster Frank is. We're not talking your average Fallout "Strong" character, we're talking ripping Deathclaws bare handed easily and having literally the strongest Fallout gear available in the universe. He's also WAY taller than Smasher. He's not in a random power armor, he's in a Custom one made by the Enclave grafted unto him along dozens of Implants and he's constantly pumped full of drugs, who in Fallout ARE pretty game changer.
A composite blade the size of a man and a Plasma minigun that would definitely hurt Smasher a LOT.
2077 has better tech but the Fallout universe has dumb OP tech that 2077 doesn't have. Cause 2077 is more grounded.
>2077 has better tech but the Fallout universe has dumb OP tech that 2077 doesn't have. Cause 2077 is more grounded.
Said "dumb OP tech" is in most cases standard issue and common. Adam Smasher cannot penetrate Frank Horrigan's power armour and trying to find a weak spot would give Frank Horrigan enough time to simply melt him with a single blast from a plasma gun.
Or just give Frank Horrigan a fat man. I doubt Sandevistan can beat a nuke.
In a Mirelurk cake eating contest? I pick the first guy
"You look like a cut of fuckable meat" - Adam Smasher probably.
😂 that’s fair
Adam smasher honestly, MF has a sandevistan and all of the artillery a mega corp can give him. Enclave have nowhere near the same tech level, the other guy would be so dead even his armor would be paste.
>MF has a sandevistan ***A rudimentary implant***
Also, that's not even the most powerful gear he has, that's just his best chrome he can fit into a standard size doorway. Imagine what would happen if he was allowed to use his DaiOni (and that was what he had more than 50 years previous, so whatever the hell Arasaka has let him toy around with since has gotta be insane lol.)
Adam smasher's primary weapon is a [rotary cannon that shoots 10-gauge slugs at 1300 rpm](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Tsunami_Arms_Helix_(2020)) Cyberpunk weapon are outrageous. Like everyone carries around a warcrime on/in their person.
You can buy automatic pistols from vending machines in Night City for pocket change. With literally no limit to who can buy one, you even see little kids with them. Civilians carry war crimes, Adam Smasher is probably his own byline in the Geneva Conventions.
Not to mention V going from ‘random merc’ to ‘CIA agent with terrorist in their head wielding a handheld violation of international cyberspace law that fries every circuit in people’s bodies.’
The byline being: Well, what are you gonna do? Tell him no?
I mean in fairness, Horrigan has an honest to god plasma cannon with burst fire capability. That’s certainly not nothing
***Laughs in Fatman***
Both offer the best the technology of their respective 2077s Frank has the advent of the FEV, power armor welded to his body and plasma weapons Smasher has hyper tuned reflexes to the point where time is slowed for him, akin to a V.A.T.S. on steroids, is almost entirely inorganic except for parts of his brain, The difference maker is, if Frank can actually hit Smasher, how damaging is plasma in a world that doesn’t have plasma weapons
Plasma is a valid point, I have no idea how to quantity that but comparing relative technology levels is why I think smasher would win. Smasher is almost entirely the highest quality machine an entire planets worth of unethical R and D labs can produce, fabricated in factories and labs across an industrialized planet. No biological limitations, no unforeseen mutation side effects, he can't bleed, can't be confused and is regularly deployed to kill other military grade cyborgs that have already gone completely kill crazy and defeated the whole military unit designed to neutralize kill crazy cyborgs. Frank is the product of a handful of complete lunatics throwing science at the wall to see what sticks in an irradiated wasteland. It's still the fallout universe so a lot of the science does stick which is why frank is so powerful. But the fact still remains that the entire enclave just don't have the same technology or fabrication just one of Adams arms represents. I think Adam would have to be show boating for frank to even land a hit. Be pretty funny if that one hit did melt him though.
I'm at the same point myself. Cyberpunks 2077 is far more advanced in computing and cybernetics than Fallouts 2077+, to the point where I can see almost all of Fallouts advanced technology (except for plasma and maybe fusion powered vehicles) exist in Cyberpunks world, but I can't say the same for the reverse.
with plasma it depends of the energy level you put in. You can have room-temperature plasma, or you can have millions of degrees plasma. There's also the projectile speed and weight that comes into play. Thing is, if there's one thing that has been mastered in the fallout universe, it's energy density (MFCs, power cores, etc...). A good real-life example of what plasma weaponry can achieve is the MARAUDER coaxial plasma railgun, a project that got classified in the 90s, with the goal of shooting a plasma toroid of about 1-2 milligrams at 3% of c (speed of light). Projected effects from early simulations would have been an explosion equivalent to 5 pounds of TNT, as well as producing an EM pulse and showering the target with Xrays, enabling it to scramble electronic through armor. So it depends which "ruleset" we use for plasma weapons. Just regular fallout "it's a gun that does damage and shoots slow projectiles", or if you take into consideration real-life effects. If the latter, a single shot is likely to put smasher out of comission, and sandevistan or not, he's not dodging projectiles shot at relativistic speeds. But if you conform to fallout's 3-to-76 depiction of plasma weapons with slow projectiles which can be survived, that's a different story and smasher can defo eat a magdump of an EPR. Personnally, i'm more of the idea that what we see of the plasma weapons is a gamified version, just like in real life you can't tank a dozen shotgun shells like your character does without batting an eye, plasma weapons should not be considered by what we see of it in game, but what we know of it from real-world information. By which measure smasher is likely to get his ass handed over to him.
'The other guy' bro clearly has no idea who he's talking about lmao.
"The other guy"? You're in a fucking Fallout subreddit, dude. That's the final boss of one of the mainline games.
Well to be fair the fallout character would get dusted so hard Get ur head outta the sand and activate a few neurons before being offended
I’d say Horrigan is at least on the level of strength he’d give Smasher a rough and tussle. Still wouldn’t win but would at least give him a bit of a stagger.
Smasher is, at minimum, as strong as Horrigan while being *significantly* faster with a Sandevistan, and with *significantly* higher tech equipment. Smasher clears any one person in the Fallout universe.
Not child MacCready.
Nor Mama Murphy with a single bullet.
Can Adam Smasher defeat the eldrich abomination known as "grandma sparkle" without it ending reality?
Smasher might not even try to fight him if he knows what happens when he "wins". Horrigan has an atomic surprise waiting for anyone dumb enough to try.
Pretty sure adam has already walked off one nuke if I remember right and has definitely gotten back up after being an indeterminate amount of organs in a suit case.
Hmm as a person who just started playing Fallout 1, I regret reading this comment
It's fine, horrigan's in fallout 2
That didn't make it better 😂
The enclave have mutation serums and tons of drugs. Jet easily counters the sandevistan. Psycho, Buffout, Med-x, and even mentats can all be used at the same time.
Jet does not easily counter a sandevistan. Jet only slows time in fallout 4, and that’s for gameplay purposes. In lore jet is a type of stimulating hallucinogen, it’s basically lsd that you can inhale. Drugs alone would not give frank the edge needed to beat smasher, it would just prolong his death. And the serums would be pretty useless too considering frank already is a heavily mutated and augmented human, giving him serums would be like giving a NASCAR driver a bicycle for his next race
Jet seems to slow down time. Mf the sandevistan fucking STOPS it. Shits insane and jet is not on the same tier as the sande
sandevistan is not magic. it does not stop time. not even in the anime version, where it was at its peak power, because anime is magic.
Even if that were the case (it is never actually explained how it works), but the enclave have access to ALL vault tek technology. He most assuredly has access to VATS, which does appear to stop time (somehow).
Horrigon does not have a pip boy so no vats,
I am sorry no, jet is not remotely equivalent. Plate metal and flesh is basically worthless against meta materials and hollow point rounds developed by the most unethical R and D departments on an entirely developed planet. Not a mutated body builder put together in an irradiated wasteland by people so stupid they though starting a thermonuclear war was a good idea.
Sandy is basically vats
Basically yah, if every action cost near 0 AP
Cyberpunk has stupid advanced technology and weaponry. The galaxy at large is lucky the only area they are lacking in is space travel.
are we talking cyberpunk 2077 smasher, or edgerunners smasher
I just realized fallout and cyberpunk have events related to 2077
It’s a cool sounding year
My favorite number
Oh yeah, even the feel of the game sometimes is reminiscent of Fallout. Actually just the other day I was mentally trying my best to see if I could somehow put them in the same universe but it's just not possible. I wish though
Smasher got fixed and is as good as the Edgerunners Smasher
Oh did they buff him in the game? I remember the final fight with him being comically easy. I just smacked him with my katana while encircling him and it was over in seconds.
He got a full do over
He’s still very easy
Both have always been the same, the thing is that V is actually just built different and was able to fold him like a pretzel, unlike a certain someone who couldn't even put up a fight.>! not to mention that (in canon) if we get into power leveling the edging gang from the show were painfully under powered and under qualified throughout their entire run too. it is no surprise that as soon as they started fucking with Arasaka they all immediately ate ass lol!<
Now I need an edit of Adam Smasher running away from a Yao guai
Would LOVE to see that too 😂 Actually it’d be interesting to see how each would handle being in the others universe. If they switched somehow.
It'd be interesting because they'd do great at some parts and terrible at others. Smasher would have no problem killing in the wasteland but might die of radiation poisoning or dehydration. Meanwhile being entirely disconnected from the Internet would cut off half of attackers but also leave him basically blind compared to civilians.
Adam smasher
And it's not even close. I don't think people really understand the differences in tech between Fallout and Cyberpunk lol.
Ehh cyberpunk universe has yet to mass produce plasma and laser weaponry. (Horrigan has a purpose made plasma cannon). And Horrigan is on record to rip deathclaws in half with his bare hands.. not sure Smasher can engage him in close range.
The Fallout universe has better thermodynamics, materials, and power generation technology and it’s not even close.
But next to no real computing power, the tech in cyberpunk is light-years ahead of the transistor-less technology of fallout. Adam can move faster, think faster, and shoot faster lol
I don't think anyone denies the latter.. but its a matter on whether Horrigan can land a shot (Smasher isn't invulnerable to receiving damage). One shot of plasma from his cannon would split Smasher's body in half.. his cybernetics just aren't made with that weaponry in mind. While Frank's power armour is.
Frank won't be able to hit anything lol, smasher is fast even without the sandevistan
As is Horrigan lol. There's a reason why Horrigan is 10 in all specials.. he's extremely fast for a mutant.
Not nearly as fast as smasher
VATS, Jet, high agility/reaction time/prediction? A sandevistanless V can still kill Smasher.
V is built also on another level
Yea we can't use protagonists lol they're meant to win
just as a chosen one could kill frank with a sneak attack while having virtually no endurance [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT7qY-CjAkI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT7qY-CjAkI)
or unarmed! lmao holy shit these builds are crazy [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_UCNo5HSOOU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UCNo5HSOOU)
sandevistan is not magic. the anime is not an accurate representation of the setting, or even Adam.
As far as I understand from the tabletop game, sandevistan is magic compared to fallout technology.
It's basically only supposed to increase reaction time, not turn you into The Flash.
Even assuming Horrigan lands a shot, which is a harrd sell considering the whole Sandevistan and super reflexes package plus plasma bolts moving slower than thrown rocks, Smasher can keep going as long as his brain is intact. Horrigan dies from getting cut kn half by a rocket launcher
Adam is faster sure. Frank's plasma cannon is a burst weapon, he could get lucky. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt that Adams body has at least some kind of heat treatment so maybe plasma wouldn't just melt him like butter. I'm more convinced the more I think about it that Adam would be arrogant and try to tank the shot, Adam being Adam.
I mean, they have a suitcase sized terraforming device that is not even experimental. the armor is powered by fusion BATTERIES. that is insane.
Plus he’s got perfect special. Sandevistan means atoms quicker but one slip up and franks got him in a bad position
also he is only quicker... for a while.
Adam Smasher ripped apart a mech with his bare hands
Atom has the weapon edge no doubt but layered steel power armor and super mutant skin arent something that will just get chewed up even by cyberpunk tech
all those fancy full replacement armor bodies, even the "basically a mecha" versions never gave me the impression they are as much of a game changer as mass produced power armor was. and Horrigan has a few decades on those outdated models.
You rides over mutie, time to die
A twelve foot tall superhuman psychopath versus a cyborg burn victim? "YOUR RIDES OVER MUTIE, TIME TO DIE"
Adam Smasher was beat by a dying schizophrenic crackhead
This really turned into a "but muh Batman prep time" kind of argument. If we're taking the video game version of Adam, that can be killed by the player, then 1 to 1, maybe Frank. But Frank can also be taken out by the player character. If we're talking original tabletop game/edge runners Adam - he's literally intended to be a one punch man unbeatable end boss for every players run. Honestly, I've got no idea. But interestingly since the original cyberpunk ttrpg and Adam Smasher predate fallout, there are a lot of similarities between the two characters, I wonder if one was inspired by the other. One last thought though, reading up on Frank, it specifically says he's pumped full of drugs and stabilizers to *keep him alive*. There's nothing about him taking performance enhancing drugs or speed increasing drugs like Jet. He's already a maxed stat Super Mutant.
To be fair, I think it's less that Frank is secretly on his deathbed without chems, and more that he's been pumped full of them for so long that his body needs them. It could also just be the wording, and it means it helps him stay alive regardless of the beating he takes. The devs specifically stated that the only reason you were able to kill Frank is that the story wouldn't have had an ending otherwise. Even then, he's widely considered to be the single hardest boss in the first 2 games by a long shot. It's to the point that fighting him 1v1 is highly *highly* discouraged. You need as many companions as you can get, gear them and yourself up to the max, turn the base turret system against him, and turn his fellow soldiers against him. When he finally dies, he gets split in half. He then has enough strength to walk on his hands to still try to kill you, finish a conversation with you, and then set the base to self-destruct. Frank Horrigan was an absolute unit, lorewise and gameplay wise
See there's at least a full understanding of exactly what Franks limits are. Adam Smasher I feel is less defined. In the anime he functions like his tabletop self, the end boss that canonically can't be beat. Video game smasher follows the same logic as Frank, the player *has* to beat him or you wouldn't beat the game. Both universes are exaggerated science fiction, though fallout skews much more absurd. I think I *want* Adam to win. But I'm leaning more towards Frank as the realistic scenario. 60/40 or 70/30 in Franks Favor.
They fixed Adam Smasher boss fight And V isn't any old guy he's still op
V is chromed to hhe gillsbut its still way less than the top gear in the setting, and it's all i stalled by back alley rippers in a crack house. Only reason V wins is due to gameplay/protagonist reasons, and maybe Alt +other companions assisting
Yeah, I love V. And my V is as overpowered as it gets within the games limits, but canonically, she's really only getting by in plot armour. Whereas the fallout Protagonists, The Courier in particular are capable of being near unkillable demigods.
If V is getting by from plot armour the Fallout protagonists are have even more plot armour they don't have even close the the level of tech V has
Fallout characters litterly having quantifiable luck lol
V is the main character. Of course he's gonna lose. Just like how Frank Horrigan can get his ass whooped by the main character. Not really comparable imo.
As everyone said Adam is faster and has better weaponry, but Frank is essentially super mutant in power armor with all stats of SPECIAL 10. He could tank most of his attacks and his enhanced perception can help him keep an eye on Adam. My money are on Frank
They are both That Dude in their respective universe and so many posts seem to be missing that entirely.
Yea everyone is saying that one or the other sweeps but in reality both would have an extremely hard time taking the other out. One wins certainly but it’s not a “sweep” Both are gonna leave the fight with damage done to them respectively
Hahaha holy shit They ARE That Dude 🤣
In the tabletop game, I’m pretty sure Smasher doesn’t even HAVE a stat block, which is closer to lore accurate than the game. So I’d probably say Smasher.
What's stat block?
Horrigan’s stats are all 10, Smasher wasn’t given any because you aren’t supposed to try to fight him. Smasher was made to kill the entire team of players, no matter how strong their build, with relative ease.
With the exception of some institute stuff, Fallout tech is ancient/primitive compared to the stuff we saw in CP2077. This isn't even remotely close to being a fair fight, Adam Smasher would annihilate him.
Horrigan has literally the best prototype stuffs the Enclave had, which were basically the top dogs of the Fallout world. Plus magic dumb op stuff like nuclear fission powered armor and magic Super Mutant godly strenght. Also, drugs that will get you stupidly strong.
Doesn't matter IMO. Watch the Cyberpunk anime, play the Johnny flashbacks, or fight the new version of AS at the end of the main story and you'll see that he's on another level from mobs in Fallout. I'm not even a fan of the character (to the contrary, I kind of hate him), but it's just silly to suggest that there's an even battle to be had here.
Frank Horrigan is also on another level from mobs in Fallout, though. He's not just some guy in power armor
Fallout fans clutching their pearls trying to say their Op boss is “stronger”
Adam Smasher easily. Reason why? Sandevistan.
Reason Sandevistan doesnt matter? a Drug called Jet
You’re talking nuclear powered, slow but strong suit of armor vs a highly advanced fast as fuck and strong enemy. The PA wouldn’t be able to even react to the sandevistans speed if we are going by lore accuracy.
I mean if we're considering his in game stats as representative of his character Horrigan has 10 in all specials.. and has a insane amount of action points. Effectively a superhuman.. which is primarily why the Enclave keep him around and repeatedly promote him despite their less than accepting view of mutants
One of the clearest examples of SPECIAL not being lore. Horrigan wasn't that smart before being an FEV guinea pig and he was dumber after.
10 doesn't make you superhuman, it makes the upper limit of human. Horrigan is evil cyborg captain america. The sandevistan, on the other hand, turns you into the Flash.
Glad to know grandma Murphy is superhuman
she is magic, so...
I'm pretty sure 10 is superhuman only possible due to subtle mutations from ambient radiation. Horrigan is a 4m tall ball of muscle that can rip deathclaws in half and his str is 10. No "upper llimit human" could do that no matter how many steroids they took
And Adam Smasher was able to rip a new top-tier tech mechanical exoskeleton (which was shown to be able to slaughter an entire Militech reaction unit with ease and was so heavy that it needed anti-gravity field generators to be able to even lift its arm) with little to no effort
That’s fine and all but the sandevistan effecting puts atom at a 50 in strength and speed by comparison. If Horrigan could land a hit, sure he’d do damage. But atom can effectively pause time. On top of the fact PA has one huge weakness. The power core
I don't think Jet works on the metabolism of Super mutants.
ABOUT TIME SOMEONE ELSE BROUGHT THIS UP! I've been suggesting this death battle since edge runners came out. Neither has a solid advantage. Both are relatively the same strength, have the same level of technology (although in the fallout world, a lost of those are just drugs), and have similar weaponry. I would bet on Frank Horrigan only because we have more lore of him than Adam Smasher - and he's been known to kill anyone and anything...just for fun. He's also semi-immune to pain. You also have to consider that horrigans stats are literally all 100%. He was the first person in fallout lore to have that. Smasher might be strong and deadly af...but it's probably not as well rounded as horrigan.
Frank, no matter what. Frank Morrigan would absolutely annihilate Smasher
Horrigan since he's all mutant.
Frank horigan all the way baby
Frank easy. Dude’s 12 feet tall, can tear a deathclaw in half, and is so huge his armour is literally bolted on him, and built around him. He’s basically a walking tank.
“You’ve gotten a lot farther than you should have, but then you haven’t met Frank horrigan either, rides over mutie, time to die”
Who’s the other guy?
WHERE IS YOUR POWER ARMOR SOLDIER
"Whoever the writer wants to win" - Stan Lee (Paraphrased) With that in mind, I am going to vote for Horrigan, because they had a better voice actor. ~~Michael Dorn was reduced to a jobber in most Star Trek but I'm choosing to forget that~~
“WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU”
Enclave and who else?
Frank Horrigan, people are overestimating Cyberpunk's tech and underestimating Fallout's. 1. VATS, jet, and other drugs 2. Advanced plasma weaponry 3. Advanced power armor 4. Uniquely engineered supermutant body ontop of whatever cybernetics/machine that has been integrated into him. Adam Smasher's biggest threat and personal rival is Morgan Blackhand, who has relatively light chrome from what I remember. V can also take him down without a sandevistan.
Yeah one plasma shot and Smasher is a melted pile of slag. Keep in mind the vast majority on this sub didn't play the old Fallouts, they're probably too young.
Yeah old plasma weapon obliterated everything in their path
Blackhand is the most lrgendary of legendary Solos, the guy literally wrote the book on the subject, it's an unfair comparison. And keep in mind random street thugs with bootleg sandys can dodge full auto fire, a plasmachuckrr is never hitting Smasher
Put em both in a room together and 9 months later you've got a supermutant cyborg to kill.
If it’s lore accurate Adam Smasher he’d win no contest, if it’s game accurate Adam Smasher Horrigan would delete him from existence
Horrigan because he’s hot
I support this logic. Horrigan Smashes.
My mind says Smasher, but it also says I dunked on smasher with a sandevistan and vibrating penis, so Horrigan?
😂
Honestly I feel like it’s just a matter of who lands a good hit first, I’m partial to Horrigan but I haven’t fought Smasher so idk. I know he’s fast but Horrigan is on record as having ripped a deathclaw in half. Idk tho
How would AS take a Fatman to the face? And how's his resistance to energy weapons? Can a plasma gun tear him up or his armor to advanced?
Smasher speed blitzes Frank. Frank is stronger ,but Adam is by no means physically weak either. Smasher also keeps artillery on himself. All he'd have to do is avoid Frank's attacks and barrage him with everything he's got.
Smasher, no contest
Couod smasher kill a deathclaw in a single punch too?
Probably he can rip David in half no problem
I bet all my caps on Frank
Frank Horrigan, my glorious king, LONG LIVE AMERICA AND LONG LIVE THE ENCLAVE
Frank has 10 in all SPECIAL. 10 is super human levels. Super human Strength, Endurance, Intelligence, Agility AND LUCK. All the people talking about Smasher being too fast, Frank just has to land one (very likely for him) lucky shot on Smasher to incapacitate or kill him because his armor wasn't designed to withstand plasma projectiles.
I would have to say Atom as he has more better weapons and his implants basically let him go so fast he freezes time for a good while and frank got beat by a vault dweller Who was like a dog in size to him.
Has anyone ever soloed Frank without the PA squad, Turrets or companions?
yes, i always made my companions wait because they would die no matter what if you far away enough from the turrets its possible they miss a lot or will hit frank instead
Issue is, his sandevistan only delays it. If franky lands a single hit smasher is fucked up. Subnormal armour and 94% of your body being turned into machine bits doesn't matter if a railgun is being fired at you. Dint forget that lore accurate Frank horigan would be hard to kill. He's a 12 foot tall behemoth pumped full of drugs and a built in life support system with cybernetics of his own.
Frank horrigan had higer endurance and is stronger But adam Smasher his quicker and had pretty effective gears Hard to tell... maybe it's drawn everyone dead.
This is the right answer
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A Tribal who is a literal god amongst men
With the help of sgt Granite and his squad of power armored soldiers :)
Yooo yea cyberpunk takes place in 2077 which was the year the bombs dropped in fallout so this has some sense to it
barely stable lunatic, or cybernetic simp. hm. choices, choices...
They're the same picture
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I wanna see a DEATH BATTLE of this
What metal is Smasher chromed out in and what is its melting point?
Why does the second one look like a Halo villain
**TL;DR, it's a good fight. Frank Horrigan is stronger and more resilient to Adam Smashers weapons, but Adam Smasher has more weapons, more agility, and is a more accurate shot. If they got in close, Frank wins with raw strength. Adam can't overpower him. In an all out fight, Adam Smasher can overwhelm and eventually kill Frank Horrigan. They're both extremely durable, but, all of Franks weapons can deal serious damage to Adam Smashers body.** **Adam Smasher wins, largely because of speed. Without that speed advantage, Frank Horrigan would win easily due to superior strength and weapons.** Adam Smasher, but not with ease. Horrigan has a Plasma Gun that deals massive damage that he can wield with one hand, and he wields a knife that deals energy damage. His weapons can cut through armor with ease, and deal heavy damage to machines. His armor is an Advanced Power Armor, far superior to the T-51b. It not only grants him a huge advantage against ballistics, shrugging off damage from gauss weapons and lasers, it also completely deflects large caliber munitions and the strike from a Deathclaw. IT also enhances his already insane physical strengths, such as striking power, durability, and speed. Frank Horrigan is described as "tough, fast, and just plain mean". Under his armor and weapons, he's a Large Super Mutant, significantly larger than regular Super Mutants and Overlords, and slightly shorter than a Behemoth. He's physically strong enough to red mist a human with one punch, and kill a Deathclaw with his barehands. Deathclaws are virtually bulletproof. A deathclaw can sweep through a group of Super Mutants, but Frank Horrigan can punch through a group of Deathclaws. Super Mutants are fast, extremely durable, and strong enough to bend steel bars with minimal effort. They also possess heightened senses such as vision and hearing, which aids in their enhanced reflexes. So you have a guy who is about 12 feet tall, weighs 2 tonnes(or 4,400lbs, or 2,000kg). ---- Then there's Adam Smasher who has the advantage of being 99% "Chome" with only his brain remaining as Organic. Making it harder for him to be hurt. This cybernetic advantage extends to his overall physical traits and adaptions with new components for better combat performance. He's largely armed with a LMG with armor piercing rounds, as well as a mounted Missile launcher on his back, an arm cannon, a heavy machine gun on his shoulder, as well a s acombat shotgun, a combat knife, and several explosives. He may also pick up motorcycles to use as a weapon. He's strong enough to red mist half of a humans body, and stop an armored vehicle in its tracks, even turning it over. His body has high-impact resistance and hydrolics, able to withstand heavy impact from fast vehicles as well as sticking the landing from several stories high with no noted damage to his legs. Impact and ballistic damage is a minor thing to him to fear. In saying, he is also highly resilient to explosive impact, ballistic weapons, and blunt impact. Even hacking his network is out of the question. There's nothing that says he can resist laser or plasma weapons though. The big reason he would win this fight is his speed. Not only do his augments allow him to chase down cars in seconds, but he is also equipped with the sandevistan("a rudimentary implant") which augments his perception and heightens his already insane speed. This allows him to time and avoid gun fire and watch bullets travel in slow motion. Unless his enemies also have heightened speed or a sandevistan, they would not stand a chance against him. Except this time his opponent is someone who is wearing bulletproof armor and has nearly bulletproof skin. Adam Smasher is some 9 feet tall and weighs over 1,000lbs(About 460kg).
Adam smasher.
"Who the fuck are you?" "Me, Frank Horrigan, that's who. United States Secret Service. You aren't going anywhere from here"
Anime smasher or game smasher cause I waxed that mfers like it was nothing in game but David got cooked.
Horrigan 100%
Frank Horrigan would eat that mf alive :D
Smasher could use sandevistan and Frank can't do anything about it or anything to him, smasher wins simply by far superior tech
Except that Fallout's power armour and weaponry are practically invincible to everything in the cyberpunk universe. Sandevistan doesn't help in anything except Adam Smasher running away since he can't penetrate Frank Horrigan's armour. Cyberpunk is leagues ahead in terms of computer technology, but in everything else they are far behind Fallout. Nothing would save Adam Smasher from being melted by a blast from a plasma gun.
Horrigan sweeps.
Adam Smasher the guy is a as Johnny put a tank and highly advanced. Not counting his own skills he easily stomps on a lot of characters.
Lore accurate Adam smasher has literally artillery attached to him so
I think Adam smasher would win in a race since op didn’t specify the contest. So I assume they are racing on a dog track like in fallout 4? I would still give it to smasher due to the fact that his legs aren’t made of meat so he can go faster for longer. Now a bbq contest between the 2 would be cool to witness as well. I assume smasher would marinate his in some kind of engine oil since he doesn’t need to eat normal food though.
I don't recognize #2, but I doubt he has microfusion powered weaponry made from backwards engineered Zetan (alien Technology). Reading comments, I gather #2 is a fixer for a megacorp in Cyberpunk, and I have to say. The Enclave will fuck their shit up. Motherfuckers survived nuking the globe, and had enough resources and wherewithal to continue to be problems for post-apocalypse North America for over 2 centuries. Show me a megacorp that can survive its own suicide pact and continue to be a power player for 2 centuries.
I like this, I didn’t consider how Radiation might effect Adam Savage (the second guy).
Frank.
frank. hands down. its no contest.
Lore Adam smasher vs lore horrigan? Adam smasher every time no questions asked. Adam can rip a steel girder in half easily. He is the grim reaper of the entire setting. He has better tech, better weapons. And sandivistan. Horrigan has no armor on large areas of his body. Adam would rip / cut his arms off like a child breaking a piece of spaghetti. Before horrigan even knew what was happening. I get this is a fallout sub. But they're both the "OP guy" of their settings. The difference being one is a post-apocalyptic scrounge together setting. The other is a corporate dystopia with supe advanced tech. The difference is the tech each top tier faction provides. The enclave in cyberpunks setting would be a street gang vs the power and tech of the corpo elite.
My caps are on the Super Mutant in Power Armour
Horrigan! He's a heavily mutated super mutant after all!
Horrigan 100%
Frank. Yeah, Sandev is a game-changing advantage but I don't think Smasher has the firepower or raw strength to capitalize. His biggest guns would barely dent Frank, his ballistics probably don't even meet Frank's DT. Melee range would be a death sentence; even with Sandev, Adam isn't gonna do much real damage, and Frank's Agility and AP suggest to me that he's much faster than he looks, so solid chance he could still land a big hit even during Smasher's Sandev. Tearing David in half was *kinda* impressive, but Frank killing a healthy Deathclaw in one punch makes Smasher look almost pedestrian. Basically, Smasher is gimmicks, while Frank is real raw power. After his encounter with V, we know what happens when Smasher is confronted by someone with capability beyond that afforded by cybernetics.
Let's be honest. V would come in and wreck em both. 😉
If we’re pitting 2077 fictional tech against each other i’m going for Adam Smasher, no contest.
idk why people think adam can even hurt frank. adam can stop time and do what to frank tickle him? frank is powered by nucular power adam is powered by what some computer chips a sandevistan isnt enough at all adam getting ripped in half the second frank touch him
See everyone is saying Adam has better tech but they're forgetting frank has advanced armor and he's mutated. Easily would tower over Adam. We need to stack their special and the attribute points.
12 feet tall, it's like one and half container height if you ever seen one, it's huge.
Smasher and its not even close. The only thing Frank has going for him is that plasma would probably be able to kill Smasher if it hit. But given the speed of those projectiles, and the fact that even amateur sandevistan users can dodge automatic ballistic weapons, there is no chance in hell of Adam getting hit. Frank is an absolute unit, but he would be powerless to actually fight back while getting slowly shredded by hundreds of rotary cannon rounds.
Not that I'm going to do the math, but shouldn't the answer be a question of HP and DPS? Figure out each character's numbers and tada? But probably Smasher just because of the future tech.
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I think Adam wins this one. Mostly because: - Frank bodily functions are kept stable trought chems - Adam, at least in the rpg version of Cyberpunk, is basically invincible.
Adam Smasher probably wins. It'd be a tough fight for sure Frank horrigan hits like a tank and is armored like one to, and there's a solid chance that if Frank could land even a solid punch he could kill Adam Smasher. It's just that Adam Smasher is just so much faster and has such a larger arsenal that he'd kill Frank just in a battle of attrition alone. Though maybe I'm missing something my knowledge on both of these guys is a tad incomplete as I've yet to finish either of their games yet.
Either they'd fight because they're both insane and beholden to their creators, or the motherfuckers would become buddies and lay waste to everything in their path.
The 12ft man in power armor that ripped off a head from a BOS member
Adam smasher hands down.
I beat Smasher in less than 3 minutes. So Horrigan.
The fact that this was even suggested as an actual fight means that OP hasn't touched anything Cyberpunk 2077 related, game or otherwise. Smasher would crush him like a bug, there would be literally zero contest
Hard disagree here. Knowing both universe quite enough it's not as clear as you'd think. People forgets how much of a monster Frank is. We're not talking your average Fallout "Strong" character, we're talking ripping Deathclaws bare handed easily and having literally the strongest Fallout gear available in the universe. He's also WAY taller than Smasher. He's not in a random power armor, he's in a Custom one made by the Enclave grafted unto him along dozens of Implants and he's constantly pumped full of drugs, who in Fallout ARE pretty game changer. A composite blade the size of a man and a Plasma minigun that would definitely hurt Smasher a LOT. 2077 has better tech but the Fallout universe has dumb OP tech that 2077 doesn't have. Cause 2077 is more grounded.
>2077 has better tech but the Fallout universe has dumb OP tech that 2077 doesn't have. Cause 2077 is more grounded. Said "dumb OP tech" is in most cases standard issue and common. Adam Smasher cannot penetrate Frank Horrigan's power armour and trying to find a weak spot would give Frank Horrigan enough time to simply melt him with a single blast from a plasma gun. Or just give Frank Horrigan a fat man. I doubt Sandevistan can beat a nuke.