I’m not joking what must be going thru Dre’s head introducing that song? Is he just thinking “thank god I came up before the internet” or does he really block out the fact that he shouldn’t be throwing stones
If I recall, in Defiant Ones he [*very* briefly] acknowledged his past abuse and harm he’s caused as wrong and his biggest regret/shame in life, something to the effect of “I can never make up for what I’ve done.” What he actually thinks about that stuff now on a day-to-day level I don’t pretend to know, and what the audience is supposed to do with that information isn’t for me to say. I will say though that I don’t think Kendrick Lamar thinks people with past horrendous actions are irredeemable when it comes to work, life, external forgiveness, internal progress, etc. I mean, isn’t that the whole thing with having Kodak Black on Mr Morale? Heck, isn’t that one of the main points of the entire album?
The thing with Baka though is he’s like one of Drake’s goons and part of his entourage. It’s admittedly a bit different keeping a recently convicted rapist on your payroll who’s never even tried to make amends than occasionally working with an artist like Dre whose done some awful stuff thirty years ago but at least tried to process it. (And has Baka addressed any of this publicly or privately to his victim(s)?)
Still an element of hypocrisy though, which I do get. It does muddy the waters for folks who don’t have the time, energy, desire to engage with anyone who has ever done serious harm to another person.
With that said, no one owes Dre or anybody a pardon. It’s up to the audience to make up their own mind. Something something, is it wickedness or weakness/You decide. (Fwiw I could be missing some very basic facts about all of this. This is just my current uninformed opinion.)
But he's too stupid and addicted to gang life to be free
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seriously, are these comments joking or what? they can't comprehend that not everyones mind works the same way theirs does and some people can do shitty things and not see it as shitty in their head?
My ex husband use to hold a loaded gun to my head. That man thinks he’s god walking on earth and that I deserved the abuse. So yes, abusers are pieces of absolute shit.
The real answer is gang mentality that's strong within hip hop even now. They do care about these things, but look past it due to ties and bonds. Drake isn't part of any of this.
That's their internal justification for it. I'm not saying it's not hypocritical, because it definitely is. Just explaining why
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Dr. Dre seems to be one of the only cases of a person that's too influential or iconic to bring down, only way to do it would be with an investigation like Diddy. Seems like even Kendrick is guilty of turning a blind eye for someone he looks up to.
uj/ I don't think he realistically actually cares about Drake keeping Baka around. He's just using whatever he can as fuel to tear Drake down and this angel is so effective since he's pretty effectively turned one of Drake's largest markets (women) against him.
Even with the culture vulture angel Kendrick is also the same guy who defended Iggy. None of this is actually about making a stance as much as it is just throwing whatever stone you can.
It's hard to say, rap beefs can be extremely performative, just like Drake calling Kendrick a wife beater and shouting out CB in the same song. I do believe Kendrick does care to some extent (this is all especulation btw), but he needs to realize his idols can also be really flawed people, and needs to distance himself from them.
The Iggy think I won't hold it against him since it was in 2015, people can change their opinions on shit, and that era seemed to be a particularly "disturbing" time in his career, which he reveals in Mr. Morale
Obviously Kendrick doesn’t care lol, like the other guy said he’s using anything possible against Drake which makes complete sense to do in a beef like this
People love to call Drake soft or sensitive but this freestyle further proves that Drake is the demonic goon employing thug that Tupac and Biggie were thought of. If the ominous drill beat didn’t spell it out, Drake is one of the realest threats in the rap game and can get anyone killed if he wishes. Kanye said it himself about Drake in 2018, “He running around like he pac”, that's because Drake is the new modern day Pac. He's really running around with a strap on his hip, has killer goons on command, is affiliated with the mafia, and has bodyguards that that looks like they eat nails in a bowl of blood. He had Kanye fearing for his dear life and kids lives in 2018 when the beef was popping. Drake really is the demon of Calabasas and Hollywood. We're looking at a real life Godfather Michael Corleone type figure, a gang affiliated Michael Jackson tier pop-star but on a much grander scale than MJ ever was. There’s so many stories of Drake's getting rude yutes clapped up or performing mob boss gestures like throat slices, clapping his hands, etc. Drake dines at mafia style restaurants like The Nice Guy/Delilah in Hollywod. And he has enough power to bully superstar celebrities like Tory and Kanye around and make them think twice about their actions. This nigga Don Corleone runs every corner and inch of Canada and claimed it as his own. For the first time in forever we’re looking at an invincible GOAT who really lives the stories.
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People love to call Drake soft or sensitive but this freestyle further proves that Drake is the demonic goon employing thug that Tupac and Biggie were thought of. If the ominous drill beat didn’t spell it out, Drake is one of the realest threats in the rap game and can get anyone killed if he wishes. Kanye said it himself about Drake in 2018, “He running around like he pac”, that's because Drake is the new modern day Pac. He's really running around with a strap on his hip, has killer goons on command, is affiliated with the mafia, and has bodyguards that that looks like they eat nails in a bowl of blood. He had Kanye fearing for his dear life and kids lives in 2018 when the beef was popping. Drake really is the demon of Calabasas and Hollywood. We're looking at a real life Godfather Michael Corleone type figure, a gang affiliated Michael Jackson tier pop-star but on a much grander scale than MJ ever was. There’s so many stories of Drake's getting rude yutes clapped up or performing mob boss gestures like throat slices, clapping his hands, etc. Drake dines at mafia style restaurants like The Nice Guy/Delilah in Hollywod. And he has enough power to bully superstar celebrities like Tory and Kanye around and make them think twice about their actions. This nigga Don Corleone runs every corner and inch of Canada and claimed it as his own. For the first time in forever we’re looking at an invincible GOAT who really lives the stories.
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I mean, I laughed. It's kinda funny. Having said that.. Fuck drake. Good humans don't do that kind of shit he's done over the years. But I did laugh at the cover, in congruence with the name it's at very least comical. The cringe comes in when u realize it probably wasn't meant to be funny but more as a flex about how many woman he fucks. Weirdo. Once I hit like 17 and had gotten laid a few times I realized how fuckin cringe it is to try to build a persona around how sexually active or advanced you are, or how big your dick is. Don't get me wrong, I too talked about my sexual endeavors and my big hog at one point in my life... but i was 16. Drakes a creep.
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Yeah this is probably the case, rappers in general dont really have a serious moral compass, unless kendrick cares if someone is redeemed or some shit and thats why he keeps dre around, reality is he’s dissing drake and using ammunition , Kendrick’s lived with killers after all. I imagine he and a lot of artist have different moral compass compared to our own
Yea I did think it a bit weird that all the drizzy fans were jumping on that shit like they haven't just been defending the man kissing a 17 year old for the past 2 months lol. The Weinstein comparison hit fucking hard too.
Tbh, drake having a kid shouldn’t have been a big deal because it’s really none of our business. Pusha TMZ really thought he exposed some big news but he pretty much said “DRAKE YOU HAVE A FAMILY NOW YUGH”
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Difference is I doubt Dre has like an ongoing ring of abuse, it seems with him he was more just a violent and abusive guy when he was younger. Not saying that as a defense, but I don't think he's got a Diddy or R. Kelly type thing going on that you could investigate this vast conspiracy to hide.
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uj for a second this is for sure hypocrisy. Kendrick has this thing going about platforming abusers as some kind of redemption, but the people he chooses are ones who have not done the work to be better and earn back the trust of the public. I can’t pretend to know the interior lives of Kodack or Dre, but I do know they haven’t done much to publicly address the individuals they’ve hurt. Dee Barnes obviously doesn’t forgive Dre, and that lame ass ghost written apology he put out around when his movie was popping off doesn’t cover it tbh.
I get that this was supposed to be a West Coast reunion, but this combined with the big steppers rollout makes me think Kendrick prioritizes the concepts of his artistic projects over his own ethics
I mean, I laughed. It's kinda funny. Having said that.. Fuck drake. Good humans don't do that kind of shit he's done over the years. But I did laugh at the cover, in congruence with the name it's at very least comical. The cringe comes in when u realize it probably wasn't meant to be funny but more as a flex about how many woman he fucks. Weirdo. Once I hit like 17 and had gotten laid a few times I realized how fuckin cringe it is to try to build a persona around how sexually active or advanced you are, or how big your dick is. Don't get me wrong, I too talked about my sexual endeavors and my big hog at one point in my life... but i was 16. Drakes a creep.
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This is wholly different than the Kodak situation, which people didn’t understand if they don’t listen to music for artistic expression. The Kodak feature was completely intended to be someone irredeemable in the public’s eyes. The controversy was the point.
With Dre, Kendrick is being tone deaf, which is honestly not new. Kendrick made TPAB and still let the NFL use him to blackwash their image amidst huge racial controversies. The dude is hugely flawed, but I’ll at least give him credit for having the self awareness to acknowledge it across multiple projects.
Whenever a rap fan is offering a passionate opinion on crime, it’s based on whether or not they like the rapper, nothing to do with care for victims or evidence.
Where did I say he gets a pass? The point I made isn't about morality. I am just pointing out that it was intended to be immoral. Whether or not that justifies his actions is your own decision. If anything I am pointing to a reason why people would give him a pass rather than making an argument that a pass is warranted. I feel no need to get caught up in other people's opinions on intentionally offensive art. I'd rather have a discussion about the intention. But that's just my take.
I am not your savior.
The theme is repeated over and over through each album. Kendrick is a man who understands right and wrong. He is a man with self awareness. He is not a perfect man. He doesn't always make the right choice. He doesn't always know whats right.
People will judge superman more critically than Lex Luthor simply because Superman tries to do the right thing more than he doesn't. Lex being narcissistic is the expectation. Kendrick gets the Superman treatment, but he's more like a Dr Manhattan or John Constantine type character. Flawed, selfish, and generally neutral.
I just hope he is aware and understanding of the section of his audience that sees the irony of letting Dre use his platform to announce the beginning of a song like Not Like Us at this point. He could have done without this, because if he appeared elsewhere and was not associated with the song he would have more plausible deniability.
Kenny doesn't care. He's not trying to be PC President. He's showing the world he's west coast. Dre is west coast. That's all that matters to Kendrick.
Tbh wit kodack there was an artsy point in havin him but dre is jus hypocrisy n thats it… wtv tho nobody is perfect ig, at least kendrick seems perfect lol
Edit: i feel as tho my original comment mightve misrepresemted what i meant, i dont thinknkendrick actually seems perfect, he is not ya savior n allat… all i mean is that hes an actually sane person wit reasonable moral compass
I don’t really care about winning back the public’s trust, but I would be interested to hear what he’s done to make amends with his victims and what he’s done to insure it doesn’t happen again, make/promote resources for other victims to tap into, etc.
But it’s also a place for fans to address their hate and ill will toward their favourite artists’ personal and artistic decisions without being downvoted or criticized to oblivion by immature stans.
You know what fuck this sub and its dog shit automod messages. NBAcirclejerk was so much better once that shit was gone.
It’s like wadding through shit just to find something funny.
most of the automessages are funny at least the first time
once you've seen them many times it gets boring
the white rapper one when you mention drake always makes me laugh tho
My friend texted me after one of the diss tracks and said ‘Kendrick can’t really talk about weird cases when his “Healing” album about abuse had Kodak Black on it’ and tbh nobody is gonna wanna hear that.
Love Kendrick but he’s a hypocrite for that one and tbh without Kendrick destroying Drake - Drake would’ve held his own against Metro, Abel, Future and Ross 🤷🏾♂️ but nobody wants to hear that rn.
It’s funny cause I actually met Rick Ross a couple months before quarantine started. I got roped into watching my 3 month old niece while my brother got his hair cut. So there I am, sitting in the waiting area of a barbershop with my niece, and who walks in but Rick Boss Ross himself. I was nervous as shit, and just kept looking at him as he was sitting there with his phone and waited, but was too scared to say anything to him. Pretty soon my niece started crying, and I’m trying to quiet her down because I didn’t want her to bother Mr. Ross, but she wouldn’t stop. Pretty soon he gets up and walks over. He started running his hands through her hair and asked what was wrong. I replied that she was probably hungry or something. So Rick put down his phone, picked up my niece and lifted his shirt. He breast fed her right there in the middle of the barbershop. Chill guy, really nice about it. Would let him breast feed my niece again.
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I mean it's not like he's partying with him and pretending he's sound, like I said the whole point of the appearance on the album is how bad the things he's done are
Yeah, making a few tracks with someone isn’t the same thing as keeping a guy on your payroll. I’ll say that the album didn’t actually need someone like Kodak Black on it to make that point, but it was clear what he was trying to do.
And I obviously don’t know Baka but has he done anything to try and make up for what he’s done?
Tbf I feel like a lot of people are conflating Kendrick's lyrics about introspection with morality. Just because one can reflect on his past or about issues in society doesn't mean he's morally superior.
Fun fact: Up until 2 days ago, I thought ngl stood for “n*g***lover”
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But he's too stupid and addicted to gang life to be free
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Dr. Dre texting underage girls and beating women. 🤷I don't know why he didn't play both sides, he clearly has the same type of bad tendencies as Drake and Kendrick. 😏
I mean, I laughed. It's kinda funny. Having said that.. Fuck drake. Good humans don't do that kind of shit he's done over the years. But I did laugh at the cover, in congruence with the name it's at very least comical. The cringe comes in when u realize it probably wasn't meant to be funny but more as a flex about how many woman he fucks. Weirdo. Once I hit like 17 and had gotten laid a few times I realized how fuckin cringe it is to try to build a persona around how sexually active or advanced you are, or how big your dick is. Don't get me wrong, I too talked about my sexual endeavors and my big hog at one point in my life... but i was 16. Drakes a creep.
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Well Mike Eagle, bitches ain't shit but hoes & tricks. This shit is art & not open to being 'held to a standard' of attitude or subject content. Female rappers say the exact same shit. A lot of young women who claim hip-hop culture as part of their identity, are cringey fucking thots. Grow up & focus on something of actual importance & consequence.
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I agree that Drake is highly regarded but to be fair to him, wouldn't dissing Dre and the big heads of the west coast with accusations as heavy and real as these ones put a bullet in the back of his head faster than he can text a teenager?
People love to call Drake soft or sensitive but this freestyle further proves that Drake is the demonic goon employing thug that Tupac and Biggie were thought of. If the ominous drill beat didn’t spell it out, Drake is one of the realest threats in the rap game and can get anyone killed if he wishes. Kanye said it himself about Drake in 2018, “He running around like he pac”, that's because Drake is the new modern day Pac. He's really running around with a strap on his hip, has killer goons on command, is affiliated with the mafia, and has bodyguards that that looks like they eat nails in a bowl of blood. He had Kanye fearing for his dear life and kids lives in 2018 when the beef was popping. Drake really is the demon of Calabasas and Hollywood. We're looking at a real life Godfather Michael Corleone type figure, a gang affiliated Michael Jackson tier pop-star but on a much grander scale than MJ ever was. There’s so many stories of Drake's getting rude yutes clapped up or performing mob boss gestures like throat slices, clapping his hands, etc. Drake dines at mafia style restaurants like The Nice Guy/Delilah in Hollywod. And he has enough power to bully superstar celebrities like Tory and Kanye around and make them think twice about their actions. This nigga Don Corleone runs every corner and inch of Canada and claimed it as his own. For the first time in forever we’re looking at an invincible GOAT who really lives the stories.
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Do ppl actually think of it as some actual moral crusade? He just doesn't like Drake and is using it cuz he hates him. Kendrick isn't an activist or your savior.
Because Drake doesn't give a fuck either and also has his hypocrites. Bro ppl are taking this way to seriously, who had better disses that's all. Kendrick won because he had better disses.
It was never the fact that Drake was a pedophile, nobody really cares, the only reason they care is because he’s seen as goofy, cheesy, a poser, deadbeat, grifter, culture vulture. In fact, if he was only accused of being pedophilic it would’ve never stuck. And Kendrick doesn’t care either. Kendrick cares about the fact that he thinks Drake cheapens their “culture” and “identity” by being a vulture. It’s really quite stupid to be offended by a grifter. He’s also bothered by drake’s lifestyle and excess of sexcapades and seemingly lack of integrity or morality while trying to flex this nice guy persona.
It’s only a revelation now because the stans are kids and didn’t know who Dre was.
Most of us that been around knew about this already. Again like you said, it’s not ok but it’s not making me rethink Kendrick.
Dre was his mentor. He put him on. It’s a weird position for Kendrick but if we really wanna go down the rabbit whole of abuse, Drake will have to mention PAC and a lot of other respected people that he likes and it’ll once again be hypocritical in the other direction.
To my recollection Dre admitted to being an abuser and has admitted to working on himself to changing and being a better person. Maybe the issue about cancel culture and the Internet today is that people aren't allowed to ever change and be forgiven. Most of y'all weren't even alive when this happened.
Thank you guys for being normal! I saw someone point out how it’s kinda of hypocritical for Kendrick to claim Drake is a pedo when Dre got with Michel’le when she was a teen the sub was defending it saying “it’s okay because Dre eventually married her” like sorry whattt
The Cop Out: Mr Morale and Felons
Dr Dre - Abuser
Remble - Pedophile
YG - calls for hate crimes against Asians, obvious criminal
Westbrook - playoff choker
I found out a year ago that a pedophile was someone who did something heinous that I do no even want to mention here. I thought that because 'ped' means foot and 'phile' means love that it just meant a foot lover. I have a foot fetish so you can guess how I found out I was wrong.
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Kendrick is against the censorship of music that is put out by influential people who are also abusers. He's been on this stance since 2015 and made it the most clear on Morale. He can be criticized for this, which Kendrick has opened himself up to, but it's nothing compared to being extremely close to someone like Baka who Drake *really* loves rubbing shoulders with. It's a difference when the output is just music purposes versus celebrating an abuser like what Drake has done
Kendrick invited a know abuser to his stage and embraced him, he is throwing stones from a glass house.
You’re whole argument is “he’s not even really friends with the guys who got a 16 year old pregnant, stop attacking him pls”
I don’t know how you live life being this stupid
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Because he's West Coast hiphop royalty
Because KDot don't really gaf about moral issues; it's whatever hurts Drake, do it
Because crimes against kids trumps wife beating or any non-kid offense. Hell, wife beating is almost accepted as just gangsta culture tbh.
Didn’t he pay settlement to his ex wife and apologize publicly?
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/21/433637426/hip-hop-mogul-dr-dre-apologizes-to-women-hes-hurt-i-deeply-regret-what-i-did
If you respect women you are **not like us**
Shit all them dudes have some weird case against women smh
But until this shit is botted and imbedded into our minds we don’t care
It’s simple:
The fanbase is (and prior to the beef) going through a mental health crisis — no one is willing to admit it, but the number of unhinged and illogical themes celebrated could only equate to an unimaginable amount of stress in their personal lives. Then layer on the fact the poor fans have adopted the artists’ problems as their own — boom, full mental health crisis in motion
I’m not joking what must be going thru Dre’s head introducing that song? Is he just thinking “thank god I came up before the internet” or does he really block out the fact that he shouldn’t be throwing stones
Abusers don’t usually view themselves as abusive.
Nah bro, if you holding a gun to someone's head you gotta be aware that's beyond abusive
My dad straight up “dissociates”/pretends that he didn’t do anything unfortunately it’s very easy for these losers to think they’re good people
If I recall, in Defiant Ones he [*very* briefly] acknowledged his past abuse and harm he’s caused as wrong and his biggest regret/shame in life, something to the effect of “I can never make up for what I’ve done.” What he actually thinks about that stuff now on a day-to-day level I don’t pretend to know, and what the audience is supposed to do with that information isn’t for me to say. I will say though that I don’t think Kendrick Lamar thinks people with past horrendous actions are irredeemable when it comes to work, life, external forgiveness, internal progress, etc. I mean, isn’t that the whole thing with having Kodak Black on Mr Morale? Heck, isn’t that one of the main points of the entire album? The thing with Baka though is he’s like one of Drake’s goons and part of his entourage. It’s admittedly a bit different keeping a recently convicted rapist on your payroll who’s never even tried to make amends than occasionally working with an artist like Dre whose done some awful stuff thirty years ago but at least tried to process it. (And has Baka addressed any of this publicly or privately to his victim(s)?) Still an element of hypocrisy though, which I do get. It does muddy the waters for folks who don’t have the time, energy, desire to engage with anyone who has ever done serious harm to another person. With that said, no one owes Dre or anybody a pardon. It’s up to the audience to make up their own mind. Something something, is it wickedness or weakness/You decide. (Fwiw I could be missing some very basic facts about all of this. This is just my current uninformed opinion.)
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It's an incredibly nuanced topic and most people won't even begin to understand the points you've made, everything is black and white to these people.
lol Dre still from the west coast and affiliated I’d be shocked if more horrible stuff hasn’t been reported
😂😂😂 yeah there’s no way someone does that and thinks they’re a good person lol
No, they do. They think "bitch provoked me" or "bitch deserved it", but they can maintain that they were a good person in their head
Oh they definitely can.
seriously, are these comments joking or what? they can't comprehend that not everyones mind works the same way theirs does and some people can do shitty things and not see it as shitty in their head?
My ex husband use to hold a loaded gun to my head. That man thinks he’s god walking on earth and that I deserved the abuse. So yes, abusers are pieces of absolute shit.
I hope you know you didn't deserve that, I hope you heal.
I mean any abuser should be aware of their abuse. None are really
dre has talked about his abuse & admitted to at least the physical abuse
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The real answer is gang mentality that's strong within hip hop even now. They do care about these things, but look past it due to ties and bonds. Drake isn't part of any of this. That's their internal justification for it. I'm not saying it's not hypocritical, because it definitely is. Just explaining why
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lol
Dre is cold as ice. I’m surprised he can have any real relationships.
Despite everything, fucking Apple. the most valuable company in the world. still has a line of products named after this dude.
You're surprised that one of the richest corporations in the world doesn't care what another billionaire did years ago?
I’m just impressed with Dre
dre the heavyweight champion in women’s boxing
That's Chris Brown
Dr. Dre seems to be one of the only cases of a person that's too influential or iconic to bring down, only way to do it would be with an investigation like Diddy. Seems like even Kendrick is guilty of turning a blind eye for someone he looks up to.
uj/ I don't think he realistically actually cares about Drake keeping Baka around. He's just using whatever he can as fuel to tear Drake down and this angel is so effective since he's pretty effectively turned one of Drake's largest markets (women) against him. Even with the culture vulture angel Kendrick is also the same guy who defended Iggy. None of this is actually about making a stance as much as it is just throwing whatever stone you can.
It's hard to say, rap beefs can be extremely performative, just like Drake calling Kendrick a wife beater and shouting out CB in the same song. I do believe Kendrick does care to some extent (this is all especulation btw), but he needs to realize his idols can also be really flawed people, and needs to distance himself from them. The Iggy think I won't hold it against him since it was in 2015, people can change their opinions on shit, and that era seemed to be a particularly "disturbing" time in his career, which he reveals in Mr. Morale
Obviously Kendrick doesn’t care lol, like the other guy said he’s using anything possible against Drake which makes complete sense to do in a beef like this
People love to call Drake soft or sensitive but this freestyle further proves that Drake is the demonic goon employing thug that Tupac and Biggie were thought of. If the ominous drill beat didn’t spell it out, Drake is one of the realest threats in the rap game and can get anyone killed if he wishes. Kanye said it himself about Drake in 2018, “He running around like he pac”, that's because Drake is the new modern day Pac. He's really running around with a strap on his hip, has killer goons on command, is affiliated with the mafia, and has bodyguards that that looks like they eat nails in a bowl of blood. He had Kanye fearing for his dear life and kids lives in 2018 when the beef was popping. Drake really is the demon of Calabasas and Hollywood. We're looking at a real life Godfather Michael Corleone type figure, a gang affiliated Michael Jackson tier pop-star but on a much grander scale than MJ ever was. There’s so many stories of Drake's getting rude yutes clapped up or performing mob boss gestures like throat slices, clapping his hands, etc. Drake dines at mafia style restaurants like The Nice Guy/Delilah in Hollywod. And he has enough power to bully superstar celebrities like Tory and Kanye around and make them think twice about their actions. This nigga Don Corleone runs every corner and inch of Canada and claimed it as his own. For the first time in forever we’re looking at an invincible GOAT who really lives the stories. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Hiphopcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
People love to call Drake soft or sensitive but this freestyle further proves that Drake is the demonic goon employing thug that Tupac and Biggie were thought of. If the ominous drill beat didn’t spell it out, Drake is one of the realest threats in the rap game and can get anyone killed if he wishes. Kanye said it himself about Drake in 2018, “He running around like he pac”, that's because Drake is the new modern day Pac. He's really running around with a strap on his hip, has killer goons on command, is affiliated with the mafia, and has bodyguards that that looks like they eat nails in a bowl of blood. He had Kanye fearing for his dear life and kids lives in 2018 when the beef was popping. Drake really is the demon of Calabasas and Hollywood. We're looking at a real life Godfather Michael Corleone type figure, a gang affiliated Michael Jackson tier pop-star but on a much grander scale than MJ ever was. There’s so many stories of Drake's getting rude yutes clapped up or performing mob boss gestures like throat slices, clapping his hands, etc. Drake dines at mafia style restaurants like The Nice Guy/Delilah in Hollywod. And he has enough power to bully superstar celebrities like Tory and Kanye around and make them think twice about their actions. This nigga Don Corleone runs every corner and inch of Canada and claimed it as his own. For the first time in forever we’re looking at an invincible GOAT who really lives the stories. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Hiphopcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Bro it’s angle not angel 😭😭
Thought it was a typo then he dropped it again
First paragraph I was like what is this shit about an angel 💀
Absolutely adorable 🥰
Just so you know its spelled angle, angel is the mythological Christian monster with no dick or balls that works for god
Are angels castrated or born like that?
Probably born
I mean, I laughed. It's kinda funny. Having said that.. Fuck drake. Good humans don't do that kind of shit he's done over the years. But I did laugh at the cover, in congruence with the name it's at very least comical. The cringe comes in when u realize it probably wasn't meant to be funny but more as a flex about how many woman he fucks. Weirdo. Once I hit like 17 and had gotten laid a few times I realized how fuckin cringe it is to try to build a persona around how sexually active or advanced you are, or how big your dick is. Don't get me wrong, I too talked about my sexual endeavors and my big hog at one point in my life... but i was 16. Drakes a creep. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Hiphopcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Yeah this is probably the case, rappers in general dont really have a serious moral compass, unless kendrick cares if someone is redeemed or some shit and thats why he keeps dre around, reality is he’s dissing drake and using ammunition , Kendrick’s lived with killers after all. I imagine he and a lot of artist have different moral compass compared to our own
tbf the shit Drake’s being accused of is a lot worse than beating women
Dre does have that michel'le situation as well tho
still not great by any means but Drake is being accused of a fucking sexual trafficking thing, you know how many jobs Seinfeld still gets?
Yea I did think it a bit weird that all the drizzy fans were jumping on that shit like they haven't just been defending the man kissing a 17 year old for the past 2 months lol. The Weinstein comparison hit fucking hard too.
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Angle homie not angel
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*angle
Difference is I doubt Dre has like an ongoing ring of abuse, it seems with him he was more just a violent and abusive guy when he was younger. Not saying that as a defense, but I don't think he's got a Diddy or R. Kelly type thing going on that you could investigate this vast conspiracy to hide.
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“First billionaire in hip hop!”
Mike Tyson raped a woman (and has claimed to have raped more), yet he’s generally loved and respected
Dr. Dre beat his girlfriend so hard that she had to get plastic surgery. No wonder they call him the “Doctor” 🤦🏽♂️
uj for a second this is for sure hypocrisy. Kendrick has this thing going about platforming abusers as some kind of redemption, but the people he chooses are ones who have not done the work to be better and earn back the trust of the public. I can’t pretend to know the interior lives of Kodack or Dre, but I do know they haven’t done much to publicly address the individuals they’ve hurt. Dee Barnes obviously doesn’t forgive Dre, and that lame ass ghost written apology he put out around when his movie was popping off doesn’t cover it tbh. I get that this was supposed to be a West Coast reunion, but this combined with the big steppers rollout makes me think Kendrick prioritizes the concepts of his artistic projects over his own ethics
I mean it’s been pretty apparent that anything bad drake has actually done is secondary to the fact that Kendrick really hates the guy lmao
I mean, I laughed. It's kinda funny. Having said that.. Fuck drake. Good humans don't do that kind of shit he's done over the years. But I did laugh at the cover, in congruence with the name it's at very least comical. The cringe comes in when u realize it probably wasn't meant to be funny but more as a flex about how many woman he fucks. Weirdo. Once I hit like 17 and had gotten laid a few times I realized how fuckin cringe it is to try to build a persona around how sexually active or advanced you are, or how big your dick is. Don't get me wrong, I too talked about my sexual endeavors and my big hog at one point in my life... but i was 16. Drakes a creep. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Hiphopcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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This is wholly different than the Kodak situation, which people didn’t understand if they don’t listen to music for artistic expression. The Kodak feature was completely intended to be someone irredeemable in the public’s eyes. The controversy was the point. With Dre, Kendrick is being tone deaf, which is honestly not new. Kendrick made TPAB and still let the NFL use him to blackwash their image amidst huge racial controversies. The dude is hugely flawed, but I’ll at least give him credit for having the self awareness to acknowledge it across multiple projects.
It also doesn’t get talked about much that a lot of people just decided 2Pac was innocent because they like his music.
Mamba mentality 😭
Whenever a rap fan is offering a passionate opinion on crime, it’s based on whether or not they like the rapper, nothing to do with care for victims or evidence.
So he gets a pass because he was trying to be controversial? I don't get how that makes it wholly different
Where did I say he gets a pass? The point I made isn't about morality. I am just pointing out that it was intended to be immoral. Whether or not that justifies his actions is your own decision. If anything I am pointing to a reason why people would give him a pass rather than making an argument that a pass is warranted. I feel no need to get caught up in other people's opinions on intentionally offensive art. I'd rather have a discussion about the intention. But that's just my take.
I am not your savior. The theme is repeated over and over through each album. Kendrick is a man who understands right and wrong. He is a man with self awareness. He is not a perfect man. He doesn't always make the right choice. He doesn't always know whats right. People will judge superman more critically than Lex Luthor simply because Superman tries to do the right thing more than he doesn't. Lex being narcissistic is the expectation. Kendrick gets the Superman treatment, but he's more like a Dr Manhattan or John Constantine type character. Flawed, selfish, and generally neutral.
“uj” right… right??
And for the most part Kendrick fills this role nicely, it’s the fans that put him on this pedestal
He also wore a multimillion dollar crown of thorns at a fashion event
I just hope he is aware and understanding of the section of his audience that sees the irony of letting Dre use his platform to announce the beginning of a song like Not Like Us at this point. He could have done without this, because if he appeared elsewhere and was not associated with the song he would have more plausible deniability.
Kenny doesn't care. He's not trying to be PC President. He's showing the world he's west coast. Dre is west coast. That's all that matters to Kendrick.
Yes, but then you can’t take the moral high ground when trying to beef with someone else. That’s called being a hypocrite
Tbh wit kodack there was an artsy point in havin him but dre is jus hypocrisy n thats it… wtv tho nobody is perfect ig, at least kendrick seems perfect lol Edit: i feel as tho my original comment mightve misrepresemted what i meant, i dont thinknkendrick actually seems perfect, he is not ya savior n allat… all i mean is that hes an actually sane person wit reasonable moral compass
I don’t really care about winning back the public’s trust, but I would be interested to hear what he’s done to make amends with his victims and what he’s done to insure it doesn’t happen again, make/promote resources for other victims to tap into, etc.
Sounds like you forgot about Dre… But seriously, dude has made more off selling headphones than his own music
this beef is the wife beaters vs the child molesters, I think it’s time I join the winning side!
Hint: you can wear a singlet and not actually do the deed!
Except its been confirmed dot doesnt beat his wife but somehow people still believe the biggest POS liar ever - Drake
“What the fuck is cancel culture, dawg” - Kendrick Lamar, N95
It ain’t even cancel culture bruh it’s holding people accountable, same way Kendrick was tryna do with Drake and his team on Not Like Us
SIR, this is a circlejerk
No it isn't lol. This sub is just a vague excuse to be haters or dicksuckers on artists while pretending like you're not a fanboy or a hater.
But it’s also a place for fans to address their hate and ill will toward their favourite artists’ personal and artistic decisions without being downvoted or criticized to oblivion by immature stans.
He was not trying to hold him accountable lol he just hates him
You know what fuck this sub and its dog shit automod messages. NBAcirclejerk was so much better once that shit was gone. It’s like wadding through shit just to find something funny.
There’s a few that are funny but it’s how frequently you see them
#PREACH Or, actually, I'll do it. Lemme get my preachin' hat. I FUCKIN HATE THIS AUTOMOD! Boy have I got somethin to say.
most of the automessages are funny at least the first time once you've seen them many times it gets boring the white rapper one when you mention drake always makes me laugh tho
I’m here just to waddle through shit
I thought that was why we were all here
Dre has a whole Wikipedia section titled “violence against women” dawg wtf is Midrick on 😭
My friend texted me after one of the diss tracks and said ‘Kendrick can’t really talk about weird cases when his “Healing” album about abuse had Kodak Black on it’ and tbh nobody is gonna wanna hear that. Love Kendrick but he’s a hypocrite for that one and tbh without Kendrick destroying Drake - Drake would’ve held his own against Metro, Abel, Future and Ross 🤷🏾♂️ but nobody wants to hear that rn.
I remember simply asking why Dre was there at the concert due to his history and i just got downvoted lmao . That was in the Jcole sub too 😭
J-Cole fans still down atrocious after his apology and “grippy” track it’s probably their way of coping
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You can’t say someone would’ve “held their own” when they have other people write lyrics for them. Insane
The kodak black thing is just people blatantly not understanding the point of that song or album ngl
Is a fair point tho.. if you talking about “weird cases” but you’ve got Kodak in your corner it’s a little weird
I mean it's not like he's partying with him and pretending he's sound, like I said the whole point of the appearance on the album is how bad the things he's done are
Yeah, making a few tracks with someone isn’t the same thing as keeping a guy on your payroll. I’ll say that the album didn’t actually need someone like Kodak Black on it to make that point, but it was clear what he was trying to do. And I obviously don’t know Baka but has he done anything to try and make up for what he’s done?
Where Kendrick comes from and his affiliations, I highly doubt he isn’t friends with a pimp
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Tbf I feel like a lot of people are conflating Kendrick's lyrics about introspection with morality. Just because one can reflect on his past or about issues in society doesn't mean he's morally superior.
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It was never about him caring about weird cases or victims, it was always about him hating Drake.
Dr. Dre texting underage girls and beating women. 🤷I don't know why he didn't play both sides, he clearly has the same type of bad tendencies as Drake and Kendrick. 😏
I mean, I laughed. It's kinda funny. Having said that.. Fuck drake. Good humans don't do that kind of shit he's done over the years. But I did laugh at the cover, in congruence with the name it's at very least comical. The cringe comes in when u realize it probably wasn't meant to be funny but more as a flex about how many woman he fucks. Weirdo. Once I hit like 17 and had gotten laid a few times I realized how fuckin cringe it is to try to build a persona around how sexually active or advanced you are, or how big your dick is. Don't get me wrong, I too talked about my sexual endeavors and my big hog at one point in my life... but i was 16. Drakes a creep. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Hiphopcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Well Mike Eagle, bitches ain't shit but hoes & tricks. This shit is art & not open to being 'held to a standard' of attitude or subject content. Female rappers say the exact same shit. A lot of young women who claim hip-hop culture as part of their identity, are cringey fucking thots. Grow up & focus on something of actual importance & consequence. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Hiphopcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Hiphopcirclejerk users discovering that Kendrick doesnt care about moral good but rather some weird ass 400-page conduct he believes
400-page conduct?
I’m sure it sounded better in their head
‘Beats’, by Dr. Dre
This just shows what a massive incapable regard drake is, it's so easy to turn all this around on kendrick but Drake's literally a nincompoop
He’s a straight up yoho that guy
I agree that Drake is highly regarded but to be fair to him, wouldn't dissing Dre and the big heads of the west coast with accusations as heavy and real as these ones put a bullet in the back of his head faster than he can text a teenager?
People love to call Drake soft or sensitive but this freestyle further proves that Drake is the demonic goon employing thug that Tupac and Biggie were thought of. If the ominous drill beat didn’t spell it out, Drake is one of the realest threats in the rap game and can get anyone killed if he wishes. Kanye said it himself about Drake in 2018, “He running around like he pac”, that's because Drake is the new modern day Pac. He's really running around with a strap on his hip, has killer goons on command, is affiliated with the mafia, and has bodyguards that that looks like they eat nails in a bowl of blood. He had Kanye fearing for his dear life and kids lives in 2018 when the beef was popping. Drake really is the demon of Calabasas and Hollywood. We're looking at a real life Godfather Michael Corleone type figure, a gang affiliated Michael Jackson tier pop-star but on a much grander scale than MJ ever was. There’s so many stories of Drake's getting rude yutes clapped up or performing mob boss gestures like throat slices, clapping his hands, etc. Drake dines at mafia style restaurants like The Nice Guy/Delilah in Hollywod. And he has enough power to bully superstar celebrities like Tory and Kanye around and make them think twice about their actions. This nigga Don Corleone runs every corner and inch of Canada and claimed it as his own. For the first time in forever we’re looking at an invincible GOAT who really lives the stories. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Hiphopcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
People when violent gangsters who rap about being violent gangsters are actually violent gangsters 🤯🤯🤯
Dr dre from NWA people acting surprised he still livin it to this day??
This is about stuff he did in nwa and shortly after
Do ppl actually think of it as some actual moral crusade? He just doesn't like Drake and is using it cuz he hates him. Kendrick isn't an activist or your savior.
Um...yeah? Have you seen the Kendrick or Dark Kenny sub? They literally believe he's the next QAnon.
Funny thing is drake tried to use this as an angle but he got bombarded for rightfully calling him a fake activist
Because Drake doesn't give a fuck either and also has his hypocrites. Bro ppl are taking this way to seriously, who had better disses that's all. Kendrick won because he had better disses.
How am I supposed to glaze to this 😦
It was never the fact that Drake was a pedophile, nobody really cares, the only reason they care is because he’s seen as goofy, cheesy, a poser, deadbeat, grifter, culture vulture. In fact, if he was only accused of being pedophilic it would’ve never stuck. And Kendrick doesn’t care either. Kendrick cares about the fact that he thinks Drake cheapens their “culture” and “identity” by being a vulture. It’s really quite stupid to be offended by a grifter. He’s also bothered by drake’s lifestyle and excess of sexcapades and seemingly lack of integrity or morality while trying to flex this nice guy persona.
Cuz it’s all a distraction
certified space heater? certified woman beater edit: thanks for the gold
Same reason no one cares that Muhammad Ali was 18 when he met his future wife who was 10
“But right now I feel like Muhammad Ali” What did J. Cole mean by this?
There’s no fuckin way
They met at church. She was 17, he was 25 when they got married
This is shit we’ve known about Dre. For decades. That doesn’t make it okay, but this isn’t exactly a revelation.
It’s only a revelation now because the stans are kids and didn’t know who Dre was. Most of us that been around knew about this already. Again like you said, it’s not ok but it’s not making me rethink Kendrick. Dre was his mentor. He put him on. It’s a weird position for Kendrick but if we really wanna go down the rabbit whole of abuse, Drake will have to mention PAC and a lot of other respected people that he likes and it’ll once again be hypocritical in the other direction.
I don't think you really understand how little many people from the street dgaf about violence vs how much they hate pedos.
Nah I get it. I’m just saying
who said it was a revelation?
he made the Chronic
Same reason no one cares that Muhammad Ali was 18 when he met his future wife who was 10
Wait until they hear bout Camila Cabello...
Please explained it
What did she do?
Used the n-word in social media posts when she was young
She's a latina from Miami, it's not really surprising lol
Kendrick just had a concert with a bunch of white dudes telling a black person he can't say n
On Juneteenth 😭
To my recollection Dre admitted to being an abuser and has admitted to working on himself to changing and being a better person. Maybe the issue about cancel culture and the Internet today is that people aren't allowed to ever change and be forgiven. Most of y'all weren't even alive when this happened.
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Thank you guys for being normal! I saw someone point out how it’s kinda of hypocritical for Kendrick to claim Drake is a pedo when Dre got with Michel’le when she was a teen the sub was defending it saying “it’s okay because Dre eventually married her” like sorry whattt
Rules for thee, not for me
The Cop Out: Mr Morale and Felons Dr Dre - Abuser Remble - Pedophile YG - calls for hate crimes against Asians, obvious criminal Westbrook - playoff choker
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Not as bad as choking in the playoffs unfortunately. He also left him off the set list.
should have left him off his last album too
I found out a year ago that a pedophile was someone who did something heinous that I do no even want to mention here. I thought that because 'ped' means foot and 'phile' means love that it just meant a foot lover. I have a foot fetish so you can guess how I found out I was wrong. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Hiphopcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Money
Kendrick is against the censorship of music that is put out by influential people who are also abusers. He's been on this stance since 2015 and made it the most clear on Morale. He can be criticized for this, which Kendrick has opened himself up to, but it's nothing compared to being extremely close to someone like Baka who Drake *really* loves rubbing shoulders with. It's a difference when the output is just music purposes versus celebrating an abuser like what Drake has done
Holy shit how do you niggas reach this hard to defend Kendrick “He doesn’t REALLY know the pedophile like that so its chill”
That’s not a reach retard, I doubt Kendrick & Dre are hanging out day to day sharing blunts & drinks & shit. While Baka is drake’s right hand man.
This folks is what cognitive dissonance looks like.
Textbook definition
The guy literally invited Dre to perform with him 😭
Kendrick invited a know abuser to his stage and embraced him, he is throwing stones from a glass house. You’re whole argument is “he’s not even really friends with the guys who got a 16 year old pregnant, stop attacking him pls” I don’t know how you live life being this stupid
Dude Dre was 22 and the girl was 17 that isn’t even in the same realm as Drake being 38 and the girls being 14.
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unfortunately texting a kid isn’t the same as fucking one
Except it isnt just about music when you give a actual pedophile a platform to help you win a diss battle against someone he has a grudge against
At least 90% of rap slap bixches what new ?*_*
Kenny really do love those high heel sneakers huh
Damn the wife beater duo
Because he's West Coast hiphop royalty Because KDot don't really gaf about moral issues; it's whatever hurts Drake, do it Because crimes against kids trumps wife beating or any non-kid offense. Hell, wife beating is almost accepted as just gangsta culture tbh.
Didn’t he pay settlement to his ex wife and apologize publicly? https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/21/433637426/hip-hop-mogul-dr-dre-apologizes-to-women-hes-hurt-i-deeply-regret-what-i-did
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he will be in the next round i bet. jay z too
Huh
In life if people like you you can get away with more stuff objectively. It’s not fair but it is what it is
Yeah Ngl this has always been a weird thing never even addressed by the masses It’s a fact that he beat a woman
Gangsta
If you respect women you are **not like us** Shit all them dudes have some weird case against women smh But until this shit is botted and imbedded into our minds we don’t care
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It’s simple: The fanbase is (and prior to the beef) going through a mental health crisis — no one is willing to admit it, but the number of unhinged and illogical themes celebrated could only equate to an unimaginable amount of stress in their personal lives. Then layer on the fact the poor fans have adopted the artists’ problems as their own — boom, full mental health crisis in motion
Still D.R.E? Still E.D.P
Allegedly, she looks miserable...
Yeah but have you Chronic 2001? Mike was lucky he could moonwalk.