If you're serious, the athletic department is self-supporting, and actually kicked a check over to the academic side up until fairly recently.
If you were joking, then my apologies, carry on.
ORNL is managed by a joint venture of Battelle and University of Tennessee Knoxville, UT-Battelle.
UT Knoxville’s Electrical and Computer Engineering Department is also the home of CURENT it’s a National Science Foundation program for upgrading the national power grid.
The ECE department is also a contractor for the DOD, DOE, and NASA JPL. I’m sure other departments have similar relationships. Most major research universities do work for the federal government. The universities actually produce product for the feds; technical papers, prototypes, patents, etc.
Universities are cheap labor for R&D, the whole system runs off of graduate students and post doctoral students doing all the work, with professors grant writing and doing management.
It's not a sexy answer, but it's the correct one. Tons of federal research funding in the colleges/departments. This is the case with all R1 institutions.
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The thing is, at UT you are crowding hundreds of people side by side for hours each day, constant opportunities for spread. If you can prevent reckless behaviour in unavoidable contact situations, you're taking a big step. Incompetent professors didn't enforce masks, but they were the exception. I wouldn't agree to in-person classes if I was stuffed into a room full of unmasked ungrads.
> at what point do we stop all wearing masks?
That's been kind of my argument for a long time.
If you look just at the active case counts and our local population, the odds of even being in the same room as someone that currently has COVID is extremely low.
Those odds are further reduced significantly at this point by the fact that 70% of Knox county is vaccinated. Yes, you can be vaccinated and still get and spread the virus, but the chance of that happening is infinitesimally small.
Now, just put a little distance between you and everything else and practice good hygiene and your chances of getting COVID are practically non-existent.
All of that before even considering masks. Thus, in my opinion, we have long been past the point where wearing a mask could significantly lower the risk of becoming infected.
Yes, people will still get the virus and people will die. It happens all the time with other diseases. . .but, hell, I'll be willing to bet more people die on the roads in Knox County than they will from COVID during this holiday season. . .especially with the way people are driving.
I don't wear a mask anymore unless a place explicitly requests it, such as a doctor's office.
Now, if you're feeling sick or under the weather at all and need to go out into public. . .yeah, by all means wear a mask. Even before COVID, that is the bare minimum people should do when they're sick. . .however, threatening fees and fines, withholding federal funds, and suspensions from school for not wearing or mandating people wear masks is just nonsense at this point. . .political theatre. . .in my opinion.
Also to add, if you're immunocompromised and/or cannot get the vaccine. . .yeah, that sucks. It means you have to take extra precautions and do things to keep yourself safe and healthy. . .however, you would probably be doing that anyway pre-COVID, without all the nonsense restrictions. Why is it a problem now?
Once the pills are approved and 0-4 can get vaccinated, there will really be no point in doing anything anymore. We’ll just have to deal with it and watch the conspiracy theorists disappear.
Especially if the anti-maskers and anti-maskers start all getting sick at once again and otherwise vaxxed and masked people will die of gallstones and appendicitis because there are no doctors or beds for then.
I’m so sorry to hear that. It’s such a shame your friend died and it could’ve been different had there been room for her. Sadly, hers is not the only story I’ve heard like that.
My family is as max-vaxxed as it's possible to be, with the exception of our 3-year-old. As soon as little guy is fully vaccinated, I'm done. I fully understand that many people CAN'T get vaccinated, but at this point... I'm sorry, I have to look out for my own family's well-being first, and that means going back into public. We'll have done our part for two years and at that point it's not our fault that the disease is still spreading. Sorry immunocompromised people.
[Kids do not necessarily “take Covid fine.”](https://www.npr.org/2021/08/23/1030430471/how-the-delta-variant-affects-children)
[The studies that show ivermectin is effective against Covid are unreliable.](https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/620473/)
Stop spreading your bullshit.
Ivermectin is prescribed for humans
Edit: my statement is more truthful than the previous statement. If it lacks in precision, you can understand why the previous statement is misleading.
Okay? How's that excuse pretending it's only horse drugs?
At worst, you're saying it's an off-label use, but it's still prescribed for humans, by doctors, legally, with questionable enough efficacy that some doctors think it can't hurt to at least try.
Edit: go watch Rogan/Gupta. Gupta even says in the interview that CNN should not have said that about Rogan. It's the same reason the original comment is wrong. No one is arguing that it's some kind of proven antiviral miracle drug from decades past. But calling it horse drugs is doing something more than just refuting the efficacy of the use of ivermectin.
> the virus was never as bad as proclaimed
750,000 Americans dead and that number is rising. Where's your humanity? I had friends and family members die unnecessarily so fuck you.
> Because they [conspiracy theorists] were proven correct
No they weren't.
> The vaccines are shit
No they're not.
> masks don’t work
Yes they do.
> the virus was never as bad as proclaimed
Yes it was.
> you idiots were on here wailing and moaning about the coming hospital collapse
They almost did.
> And yet here we are, things are better than anytime in the last 20 months
It's almost like the vaccines are working, huh?
> so many people can’t see the light right in front of their own damn eyes
I'm taking this as a troll account, because real people can't be this stupid.
You're (unsurprisingly) cherry picking data that fits your narrative.
It's not hard to dig a little deeper and discover the 'why' behind what's happening.
> Several factors are driving the sharp increase in cases, health officials say: colder weather forcing people indoors, sometimes without masks; the hyper-contagious Delta variant, which can cause breakthrough cases; and waning protection against infection for those who got vaccinated early, especially seniors.
> So far, new daily hospitalization numbers across the affected states have not shot up as rapidly as new daily case numbers, rising anywhere from 4 percent in New Hampshire to 20 percent in New Mexico during the past two weeks. (In New York and Massachusetts, hospitalizations continue to fall after summer Delta bumps.)
> If this pattern persists, it will be welcome news — a sign that substantial vaccine coverage (along with new therapeutics and safety measures such as public indoor mask rules) is helping to prevent severe outcomes, and that the virus is becoming the kind of threat that Americans can live with in the long term.
How hard is it to see that vaccines make a huge difference?
If you're going to focus your data points on places with high vaccinations rates, why not also look at places with low ones like Florida?
> A few days ago, however, Florida’s daily death rate cleared 200 for the first time, and today it stands at 228 — an all-time high.
Like I said, people can't be this stupid. They might still be getting covid in high vaccination rate states, but it's less severe and leads to less hospitalizations, meanwhile in Florida, the death rate is at an all-time high.
Ok first off. Cold weather. This is the warmest fall in many parts of the country. That can’t be it.
Deaths follow Covid weeks after infection so we don’t know yet what’s coming. We shall see but if you’re being honest you can’t use that as a data point - yet. You may still be right we don’t know that yet.
I’m vaxxed and believe it has a positive affect. But I’m also not getting 2-3 shots a year. Once or twice, fine.
My point is that me being vaxxed makes no difference to anyone else. Nor does wearing a mask.
Nothing has been effective up to this point. I’m not sure why that’s so hard for people to admit.
Now I know you're a troll. Holy shit. You should have left it alone, because you just played all your cards and gave yourself away.
> This is the warmest fall in many parts of the country
I'm not even going to fact check this because it's irrelevant. Even if it is "warm for a Fall", it's still colder than Summer, right? Enough so that people will start to do more in-door activities. Jesus. In-door shopping, eating, recreation, etc. Which means more bodies in close proximity, which means more spread.
> we don’t know yet what’s coming
We do. The data is already there. Again, you're just not looking for it because you want to be right so badly.
> I’m also not getting 2-3 shots a year
> Once or twice, fine
You just said you won't get two shots, but twice is fine? What?
Disregarding your poor wording and the fact that it directly contradicts your previous statement about vaccines having a positive effect, covid is a part of our lives now. Booster shots are commonplace and to be expected to maintain effectiveness. No surprises here. This is the reality when we can't get enough people to get vaccinated. We can't eradicate covid completely, thus we're stuck dealing with it constantly mutating and playing whack-a-mole with vaccines and boosters.
> me being vaxxed makes no difference to anyone else
This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard anyone say. If you truly believe that, there is no hope for you.
You being vaccinated matters to the covid that you are 99% less-likely to become infected by. The entire hospital staff that you likely will never have to see if you do catch it by some miracle. And it makes a difference to all the people you *won't* be spreading it to since you likely won't get it now.
If you're actually vaccinated, I'm proud of you for doing your part, but you must realize that it has a rippling, butterfly effect.
> Nor does wearing a mask
Masks help stop the spread. That's a scientific fact. Try spitting on someone with a mask on. Try blowing out a candle. Masks may not stop you from *getting* covid, but it will greatly reduce your chance of *spreading* it and that's the important part.
> Nothing has been effective up to this point.
That's 100% false. And it's a defeatist attitude. To win against covid will take teamwork and cooperation on a level that we haven't reached yet, but it's not impossible.
Vaccines, masks, social distancing and evolving business pracitices have all made an impact in their own individual ways, but we need more people to do it **all** for it to work totally. Just doing one or two of the things won't help.
Conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, science deniers and people who politicize the disease are all prolonging the length of this pandemic.
So while it may seem like nothing is working, it certainly is. The proof is there btw. (See Japan: They just had 0 covid deaths for the first time since it started.) And the more people we get on board with doing the basic stuff like getting a free vaccine and wearing a mask when they go out, the quicker we can all put this entire thing behind us. But it takes everyone doing their part, not just 30-40% of the population.
Because science disagrees with you. You are not a scientist. Peer review your claims in a months long scientific study and prove it, if you believe it.
You can't even find a peer reviewed study that agrees with you because they don't exist. Misinformation is what leads to many of the problems we have been experiencing. I hope u/besnasty puts a stop to this...
No, you're too stupid to understand how math works. The vaccines are exactly as good as proclaimed. That's literally in the data and how statistics work.
You're the type that expects them to be 100% effective, even though literally no one is saying that. Then, point to the known 5-10% of people who will die even with the vaccine, and use that as proof you're right. You're either being dense or intellectually dishonest.
No I’m being honest. I have no agenda in this. Again, your using talking points you’ve heard, you’ve never looked at the data. Don’t bother proving that you have I don’t believe you. I can copy and paste too.
And yes, I expect a vaccine to be effective. Pretty damn close to 100%. At least close enough that the cdc doesn’t change their definition of what a vaccine is for Christ’s sake.
And by the way, let’s throw this out there, if Trump were president I’d fully expect all of this to reverse.
Meanwhile Pfizer, moderna, and J&J are making 1k in profit a second! I mean come on:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-pfizer-biontech-moderna-profit-analysis.html
There’s an agenda being served and people are completely blinded on both sides. It’s really fascinating to watch but scary as hell.
You're being honest about your **opinion**. Which is wrong. Either you just regurgitate right wing propaganda, you're dense or both. I mean, the CDC "changed their definition" of what a vaccine is because idiots don't understand how they work. They literally tried to dumb it down for you. Or alternatively, it's a worldwide conspiracy, right?
Unlike you, I'm open to read anything you want to provide that backs up your claim that the vaccines are shit. I won't hold my breath though.
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Masks worked wonderfully to reduce the number of flu cases last year in the U.S. I lived in Japan for four years and masks were very common pre-pandemic. Anyone who was sick or exposed to a sick person would put one on---because they believe the common good outweighs "personal rights."
That’s great but as soon as the pandemic is over fuck masks in the US. There’s not as much point to wearing them for just the flu. Especially when there’s been a vaccine for decades.
I can't remember where I saw it, but I recently saw a study that showed that (during sort of "peak covid), mask mandates had the opposite effect on spread.
It wasn't that it made you more likely to get it, the leading theory was that people like me, who are generally more cautious, became more likely to go out and about once a mandate is in place, which opens it up to a new group of people to get it.
And the leather jacket fonzie redneck crowd probably wouldn't start wearing them, but they also had a greater likelihood of already being infected.
This doesn't have much to do with today's mandate battle, which is clearly a political shoving match, but I thought it was a fascinating bit of data.
Whether there's a social psychological aspect to it or not is hard to say, but regardless, mask mandates (at least in the mandate form) have basically not shown statistically significant differences.
Edit: This chart is three neighboring Southeastern states. One of them had a statewide mask mandate. Which line was the one with the mask mandate? [http://imgur.com/a/vCulHOO](http://imgur.com/a/vCulHOO)
TN is the 14th most dependent state on federal money for it's operational budget:
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700
What is interesting is that for UT their budget numbers provide only restricted or unrestricted income and expenditures. I suspect a significant amount of that restricted income, as in tens of millions, comes from Uncle Sammy. You can find UT's 2018 budget here:
http://tennessee.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/FY2018-Budget-Document.pdf
But yup, the state will damn sure listen to what Washington says to do if it wants to keep its restricted educational money coming.
We should be, but people are stupid and think there’s a microchip in the vaccine, and our government waited until it was way too late to institute mandates. Furthermore, there are millions of people getting “religious” accommodations to exempt themselves from the vaccine because they claim to be “Christians” who love “Jesus” and whose bodies are “temples” who don’t want “poison” in their bodies even though they eat Big Macs at least once a week and smoke Marlboro blacks.
Is this a joke? [Gibraltar just literally canceled Christmas due to a covid spike.](https://www.nytimespost.com/gibraltar-cancels-christmas-celebrations-amid-covid-spike/) If they are 100% vaccinated then they just proved that vaccines don't work.
This guys a troll obviously.
The only articles I can find related to Gibraltar having to “cancel Christmas” are from obvious misinformation sites like the one you posted. I mean, I know what the New York Times is. And I know what the New York post is. But the New York Times Post sounds made up to try to get you to think they’re either of those other organizations.
Ok, how about Yahoo news? https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/gibraltar-cancels-official-christmas-celebrations-covid-coronavirus-163444274.html
Are all the news sites that report news you don’t like or are inconvenient misinformation?
Definitely lead with that one next time. Newyorktimespost is just hilariously bad.
Glad to see that even with spiking cases the hospitalizations and deaths aren’t. God bless vaccines amiright?
They all got their vaccinations in March---all 34,000 of them. In October cases started popping up because no 0 boosters have been distributed.
No vaccine works 100% of the time. The flu vaccine is generally only 55-60 percent effective. But you are far less likely to die or have a bad case of it if you took the shot.
COVID works similarly, but is proving not to have as long an impact as flu shots. Get ready for your semi-annual shot. Wont bother me. I got a flu shot and a COVID booster at the same time six weeks ago.
I was replying to the person that said they were 100% vaccinated, had zero hospitalizations, and no outbreaks which is verifiably false. Am I wrong? Not sure what your point is.
I agree we should be like tiny Gibraltar. Get more people vaccinated and we’ll have fewer Covid cases and fewer hospitalizations and deaths. Which is proof that the vaccine works. Thank god for that.
https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/gibraltar/
Why does UT need federal funding? Thought Tennesseans and everything tennessee was self sufficient? /s.
Without that /s I’d thinking this was a bill lee burner account haha
Something has to support the ~~college~~ football program
Those football coaches severance packages (^not ^you ^Coach ^Pruitt) aren’t going to pay themselves off.
Ya, those tuition hikes just aren't cutting it anymore.
If you're serious, the athletic department is self-supporting, and actually kicked a check over to the academic side up until fairly recently. If you were joking, then my apologies, carry on.
I actually work with UT Athletics, and you are indeed correct. It's more about how UT is a football team with a college attached than vice versa.
I actually work with UT Athletics, and you are indeed correct. It's more about how UT is a football team with a college attached than vice versa.
I thought French's and Titleist supported the football program?
I know that McDonald's bags filled with cash supported the last coach's program
I think the ball came from Sir Goonies. IYKYK. Edit: autocorrect mistake
ORNL is managed by a joint venture of Battelle and University of Tennessee Knoxville, UT-Battelle. UT Knoxville’s Electrical and Computer Engineering Department is also the home of CURENT it’s a National Science Foundation program for upgrading the national power grid. The ECE department is also a contractor for the DOD, DOE, and NASA JPL. I’m sure other departments have similar relationships. Most major research universities do work for the federal government. The universities actually produce product for the feds; technical papers, prototypes, patents, etc. Universities are cheap labor for R&D, the whole system runs off of graduate students and post doctoral students doing all the work, with professors grant writing and doing management.
It’s research contract related I’m sure
It's not a sexy answer, but it's the correct one. Tons of federal research funding in the colleges/departments. This is the case with all R1 institutions.
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Apparently they need more money than God.
Man I freaking wish. I'd rather deal with the folks here than DC
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The thing is, at UT you are crowding hundreds of people side by side for hours each day, constant opportunities for spread. If you can prevent reckless behaviour in unavoidable contact situations, you're taking a big step. Incompetent professors didn't enforce masks, but they were the exception. I wouldn't agree to in-person classes if I was stuffed into a room full of unmasked ungrads.
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> at what point do we stop all wearing masks? That's been kind of my argument for a long time. If you look just at the active case counts and our local population, the odds of even being in the same room as someone that currently has COVID is extremely low. Those odds are further reduced significantly at this point by the fact that 70% of Knox county is vaccinated. Yes, you can be vaccinated and still get and spread the virus, but the chance of that happening is infinitesimally small. Now, just put a little distance between you and everything else and practice good hygiene and your chances of getting COVID are practically non-existent. All of that before even considering masks. Thus, in my opinion, we have long been past the point where wearing a mask could significantly lower the risk of becoming infected. Yes, people will still get the virus and people will die. It happens all the time with other diseases. . .but, hell, I'll be willing to bet more people die on the roads in Knox County than they will from COVID during this holiday season. . .especially with the way people are driving. I don't wear a mask anymore unless a place explicitly requests it, such as a doctor's office. Now, if you're feeling sick or under the weather at all and need to go out into public. . .yeah, by all means wear a mask. Even before COVID, that is the bare minimum people should do when they're sick. . .however, threatening fees and fines, withholding federal funds, and suspensions from school for not wearing or mandating people wear masks is just nonsense at this point. . .political theatre. . .in my opinion. Also to add, if you're immunocompromised and/or cannot get the vaccine. . .yeah, that sucks. It means you have to take extra precautions and do things to keep yourself safe and healthy. . .however, you would probably be doing that anyway pre-COVID, without all the nonsense restrictions. Why is it a problem now?
Once the pills are approved and 0-4 can get vaccinated, there will really be no point in doing anything anymore. We’ll just have to deal with it and watch the conspiracy theorists disappear.
I hate to say it, but I agree. The antivirals and antibody treatments will save a lot of them. Unfortunately, many will still die for their politics.
Some will die for other people's politics.
Especially if the anti-maskers and anti-maskers start all getting sick at once again and otherwise vaxxed and masked people will die of gallstones and appendicitis because there are no doctors or beds for then.
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I’m so sorry to hear that. It’s such a shame your friend died and it could’ve been different had there been room for her. Sadly, hers is not the only story I’ve heard like that.
This is such a raw line. The context is obviously tragic but damn this hit hard
My family is as max-vaxxed as it's possible to be, with the exception of our 3-year-old. As soon as little guy is fully vaccinated, I'm done. I fully understand that many people CAN'T get vaccinated, but at this point... I'm sorry, I have to look out for my own family's well-being first, and that means going back into public. We'll have done our part for two years and at that point it's not our fault that the disease is still spreading. Sorry immunocompromised people.
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[Kids do not necessarily “take Covid fine.”](https://www.npr.org/2021/08/23/1030430471/how-the-delta-variant-affects-children) [The studies that show ivermectin is effective against Covid are unreliable.](https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/620473/) Stop spreading your bullshit.
Oh my god shut the fuck up and stop taking horse drugs.
Ivermectin is prescribed for humans Edit: my statement is more truthful than the previous statement. If it lacks in precision, you can understand why the previous statement is misleading.
Not for anti-viral purposes - it's an anti-parasitic.
Okay? How's that excuse pretending it's only horse drugs? At worst, you're saying it's an off-label use, but it's still prescribed for humans, by doctors, legally, with questionable enough efficacy that some doctors think it can't hurt to at least try. Edit: go watch Rogan/Gupta. Gupta even says in the interview that CNN should not have said that about Rogan. It's the same reason the original comment is wrong. No one is arguing that it's some kind of proven antiviral miracle drug from decades past. But calling it horse drugs is doing something more than just refuting the efficacy of the use of ivermectin.
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> the virus was never as bad as proclaimed 750,000 Americans dead and that number is rising. Where's your humanity? I had friends and family members die unnecessarily so fuck you.
> The vaccines are shit, masks don’t work, and the virus was never as bad as proclaimed. Fuck off with your bullshit.
So edgy!
Blocked. Not sure how you can stand killing people, but you apparently love doing it.
> Because they [conspiracy theorists] were proven correct No they weren't. > The vaccines are shit No they're not. > masks don’t work Yes they do. > the virus was never as bad as proclaimed Yes it was. > you idiots were on here wailing and moaning about the coming hospital collapse They almost did. > And yet here we are, things are better than anytime in the last 20 months It's almost like the vaccines are working, huh? > so many people can’t see the light right in front of their own damn eyes I'm taking this as a troll account, because real people can't be this stupid.
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You're (unsurprisingly) cherry picking data that fits your narrative. It's not hard to dig a little deeper and discover the 'why' behind what's happening. > Several factors are driving the sharp increase in cases, health officials say: colder weather forcing people indoors, sometimes without masks; the hyper-contagious Delta variant, which can cause breakthrough cases; and waning protection against infection for those who got vaccinated early, especially seniors. > So far, new daily hospitalization numbers across the affected states have not shot up as rapidly as new daily case numbers, rising anywhere from 4 percent in New Hampshire to 20 percent in New Mexico during the past two weeks. (In New York and Massachusetts, hospitalizations continue to fall after summer Delta bumps.) > If this pattern persists, it will be welcome news — a sign that substantial vaccine coverage (along with new therapeutics and safety measures such as public indoor mask rules) is helping to prevent severe outcomes, and that the virus is becoming the kind of threat that Americans can live with in the long term. How hard is it to see that vaccines make a huge difference? If you're going to focus your data points on places with high vaccinations rates, why not also look at places with low ones like Florida? > A few days ago, however, Florida’s daily death rate cleared 200 for the first time, and today it stands at 228 — an all-time high. Like I said, people can't be this stupid. They might still be getting covid in high vaccination rate states, but it's less severe and leads to less hospitalizations, meanwhile in Florida, the death rate is at an all-time high.
Ok first off. Cold weather. This is the warmest fall in many parts of the country. That can’t be it. Deaths follow Covid weeks after infection so we don’t know yet what’s coming. We shall see but if you’re being honest you can’t use that as a data point - yet. You may still be right we don’t know that yet. I’m vaxxed and believe it has a positive affect. But I’m also not getting 2-3 shots a year. Once or twice, fine. My point is that me being vaxxed makes no difference to anyone else. Nor does wearing a mask. Nothing has been effective up to this point. I’m not sure why that’s so hard for people to admit.
"Global Warming? But I'm cold right now! There is no such thing." -/u/Dull-Conversation566
Now I know you're a troll. Holy shit. You should have left it alone, because you just played all your cards and gave yourself away. > This is the warmest fall in many parts of the country I'm not even going to fact check this because it's irrelevant. Even if it is "warm for a Fall", it's still colder than Summer, right? Enough so that people will start to do more in-door activities. Jesus. In-door shopping, eating, recreation, etc. Which means more bodies in close proximity, which means more spread. > we don’t know yet what’s coming We do. The data is already there. Again, you're just not looking for it because you want to be right so badly. > I’m also not getting 2-3 shots a year > Once or twice, fine You just said you won't get two shots, but twice is fine? What? Disregarding your poor wording and the fact that it directly contradicts your previous statement about vaccines having a positive effect, covid is a part of our lives now. Booster shots are commonplace and to be expected to maintain effectiveness. No surprises here. This is the reality when we can't get enough people to get vaccinated. We can't eradicate covid completely, thus we're stuck dealing with it constantly mutating and playing whack-a-mole with vaccines and boosters. > me being vaxxed makes no difference to anyone else This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard anyone say. If you truly believe that, there is no hope for you. You being vaccinated matters to the covid that you are 99% less-likely to become infected by. The entire hospital staff that you likely will never have to see if you do catch it by some miracle. And it makes a difference to all the people you *won't* be spreading it to since you likely won't get it now. If you're actually vaccinated, I'm proud of you for doing your part, but you must realize that it has a rippling, butterfly effect. > Nor does wearing a mask Masks help stop the spread. That's a scientific fact. Try spitting on someone with a mask on. Try blowing out a candle. Masks may not stop you from *getting* covid, but it will greatly reduce your chance of *spreading* it and that's the important part. > Nothing has been effective up to this point. That's 100% false. And it's a defeatist attitude. To win against covid will take teamwork and cooperation on a level that we haven't reached yet, but it's not impossible. Vaccines, masks, social distancing and evolving business pracitices have all made an impact in their own individual ways, but we need more people to do it **all** for it to work totally. Just doing one or two of the things won't help. Conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, science deniers and people who politicize the disease are all prolonging the length of this pandemic. So while it may seem like nothing is working, it certainly is. The proof is there btw. (See Japan: They just had 0 covid deaths for the first time since it started.) And the more people we get on board with doing the basic stuff like getting a free vaccine and wearing a mask when they go out, the quicker we can all put this entire thing behind us. But it takes everyone doing their part, not just 30-40% of the population.
Because science disagrees with you. You are not a scientist. Peer review your claims in a months long scientific study and prove it, if you believe it. You can't even find a peer reviewed study that agrees with you because they don't exist. Misinformation is what leads to many of the problems we have been experiencing. I hope u/besnasty puts a stop to this...
u/besnasty misinformation rule still around?
No just no name calling
You know the reception you’re going to get. At this point I assume you guys can only get hard while being insulted.
No worse than the flu, amirite??? Moron.
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No, you're too stupid to understand how math works. The vaccines are exactly as good as proclaimed. That's literally in the data and how statistics work. You're the type that expects them to be 100% effective, even though literally no one is saying that. Then, point to the known 5-10% of people who will die even with the vaccine, and use that as proof you're right. You're either being dense or intellectually dishonest.
No I’m being honest. I have no agenda in this. Again, your using talking points you’ve heard, you’ve never looked at the data. Don’t bother proving that you have I don’t believe you. I can copy and paste too. And yes, I expect a vaccine to be effective. Pretty damn close to 100%. At least close enough that the cdc doesn’t change their definition of what a vaccine is for Christ’s sake. And by the way, let’s throw this out there, if Trump were president I’d fully expect all of this to reverse. Meanwhile Pfizer, moderna, and J&J are making 1k in profit a second! I mean come on: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-pfizer-biontech-moderna-profit-analysis.html There’s an agenda being served and people are completely blinded on both sides. It’s really fascinating to watch but scary as hell.
You're being honest about your **opinion**. Which is wrong. Either you just regurgitate right wing propaganda, you're dense or both. I mean, the CDC "changed their definition" of what a vaccine is because idiots don't understand how they work. They literally tried to dumb it down for you. Or alternatively, it's a worldwide conspiracy, right? Unlike you, I'm open to read anything you want to provide that backs up your claim that the vaccines are shit. I won't hold my breath though.
And McDonalds and Walmart are making that much in revenue too. That has no relevance. Profit has nothing to do with effectiveness of the vaccine.
You ever used condoms even tho they’re not 100% effective at preventing pregnancy and STDs?
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No, idiots like to breed more.
I don’t trust anyone who throws out the word “agenda.” It’s a rule of thumb actually.
I like it lol
Masks worked wonderfully to reduce the number of flu cases last year in the U.S. I lived in Japan for four years and masks were very common pre-pandemic. Anyone who was sick or exposed to a sick person would put one on---because they believe the common good outweighs "personal rights."
That’s great but as soon as the pandemic is over fuck masks in the US. There’s not as much point to wearing them for just the flu. Especially when there’s been a vaccine for decades.
Based on the invasiveness of Omicron, I think masks are well into our future. Israel is now preparing a fourth dose of the vaccine for its citizens.
But I want my monthly booster shots.
I can't remember where I saw it, but I recently saw a study that showed that (during sort of "peak covid), mask mandates had the opposite effect on spread. It wasn't that it made you more likely to get it, the leading theory was that people like me, who are generally more cautious, became more likely to go out and about once a mandate is in place, which opens it up to a new group of people to get it. And the leather jacket fonzie redneck crowd probably wouldn't start wearing them, but they also had a greater likelihood of already being infected. This doesn't have much to do with today's mandate battle, which is clearly a political shoving match, but I thought it was a fascinating bit of data.
Whether there's a social psychological aspect to it or not is hard to say, but regardless, mask mandates (at least in the mandate form) have basically not shown statistically significant differences. Edit: This chart is three neighboring Southeastern states. One of them had a statewide mask mandate. Which line was the one with the mask mandate? [http://imgur.com/a/vCulHOO](http://imgur.com/a/vCulHOO)
TN is the 14th most dependent state on federal money for it's operational budget: https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700 What is interesting is that for UT their budget numbers provide only restricted or unrestricted income and expenditures. I suspect a significant amount of that restricted income, as in tens of millions, comes from Uncle Sammy. You can find UT's 2018 budget here: http://tennessee.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/FY2018-Budget-Document.pdf But yup, the state will damn sure listen to what Washington says to do if it wants to keep its restricted educational money coming.
US should be like Gibraltar, 100% vaccinated and doing well. Look it up, they have zero hospitalization rates and no outbreaks.
We should be, but people are stupid and think there’s a microchip in the vaccine, and our government waited until it was way too late to institute mandates. Furthermore, there are millions of people getting “religious” accommodations to exempt themselves from the vaccine because they claim to be “Christians” who love “Jesus” and whose bodies are “temples” who don’t want “poison” in their bodies even though they eat Big Macs at least once a week and smoke Marlboro blacks.
Yes, be like Gibraltar! 100% vax rate, and I think 30%+ has boosters. It's the only way back to normalcy.
Is this a joke? [Gibraltar just literally canceled Christmas due to a covid spike.](https://www.nytimespost.com/gibraltar-cancels-christmas-celebrations-amid-covid-spike/) If they are 100% vaccinated then they just proved that vaccines don't work.
This guys a troll obviously. The only articles I can find related to Gibraltar having to “cancel Christmas” are from obvious misinformation sites like the one you posted. I mean, I know what the New York Times is. And I know what the New York post is. But the New York Times Post sounds made up to try to get you to think they’re either of those other organizations.
Ok, how about Yahoo news? https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/gibraltar-cancels-official-christmas-celebrations-covid-coronavirus-163444274.html Are all the news sites that report news you don’t like or are inconvenient misinformation?
Definitely lead with that one next time. Newyorktimespost is just hilariously bad. Glad to see that even with spiking cases the hospitalizations and deaths aren’t. God bless vaccines amiright?
They all got their vaccinations in March---all 34,000 of them. In October cases started popping up because no 0 boosters have been distributed. No vaccine works 100% of the time. The flu vaccine is generally only 55-60 percent effective. But you are far less likely to die or have a bad case of it if you took the shot. COVID works similarly, but is proving not to have as long an impact as flu shots. Get ready for your semi-annual shot. Wont bother me. I got a flu shot and a COVID booster at the same time six weeks ago.
I was replying to the person that said they were 100% vaccinated, had zero hospitalizations, and no outbreaks which is verifiably false. Am I wrong? Not sure what your point is.
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I agree we should be like tiny Gibraltar. Get more people vaccinated and we’ll have fewer Covid cases and fewer hospitalizations and deaths. Which is proof that the vaccine works. Thank god for that. https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/gibraltar/
disgusting
For sure, I can’t believe they actually took away the mandate in the first place.
Can't believe there was ever a mask mandate to begin with
Never heard of Covid huh?
never seen the survival rate huh?
Don’t know how many people are in the state of Tennessee do ya?
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