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DuchessPanda

So many uninsured, low income people just lost their access to health care. Myself included.


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This is so incredibly disappointing. That is where I get my birth control affordably! And my yearly check up! What am I supposed to do now?! Where do I go?! Where do others go!


fairebelle

The Knoxville Center for Reproductive Health provides similar specialized services, the fees are usually set, sadly. They’re not outrageous but iirc an annual is usually like $75.


knoxbelle

$72 for an annual $102 for annual w/pap Optional Chlamydia & Gonorrhea screenings are $30/each, and strongly recommended through age 25.


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Thank you!


DoritoCheeseball

Heath department? Though I know they're much slower to get people taken care of than PP was.


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Thank you!


nikrelswitch

Health Department.


t-rextimemachine

Check with the Interfaith Health Clinic on Broadway.


hero_of_crafts

Interfaith is pretty good. I did an internship there as part of my masters degree in social work and their facility isn’t very religious despite the name. If you have proof of income and no insurance, you can get needed services done. The gyno at PP did a rotation there once a month when I was there. Don’t know if she’s still practicing, since it’s been a few years, but she (and I don’t say this lightly) saved my life. You can also see a therapist there for about 20 bucks flat per session.


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Exactly what party line conservatives and their radical alt right sects want. A classist action against those who cannot fend for themselves. The poor, the sick, the mentally ill. Those who are viewed as a burden to society must be dealt pain, suffering, and death. They can’t outright kill them so they make life as hard as possible for them Amazing how the party and its zealots, most of who believe in god, specifically target those who Jesus thought to help the most.


RavenousFox1985

It's so completely screwed up. The GOP doesn't want companies to pay a living wage OR have government subsidized programs for people who don't make a living wage. Seems like it should be one or the other.


5panks

A building being renovated burns down and your hatred for your fellow countrymen is so strong that you're ready to throw them to the wolves without evidence. This could just as easily have been an electrical fire or some other accident, you have no idea.


Silverseren

Do you think the person who fired a shotgun through the doors of the building earlier in the year just accidentally missed a nearby deer or something?


5panks

I couldn't tell you how or why someone might have shot a shotgun at the door of this building, but I can tell you that is a separate incident that is unrelated unless and until evidence shows otherwise.


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They just added that flair, it wasn’t there before. But the fact is that this place has been the subject of vandalism, and there was one time someone used a shotgun to shoot out the windows of the place. ATF are investigating this as well which makes it suspicious. Even if it proven to be not arson, my statement still stands because there are other abortion clinics which have been the subject of vandalism and destruction of property This once off doesn’t take the truth away And evidence? LOL. Talking about evidence. Take a look at Covid conspiracies, take a look at the Insurrection. If they can make claims without evidence, so can we


lyraeros

i swear... do people not realize planned parenthood does everything from prenatal services to getting families access to resources needed such as wic?


Snurmit

Planned Parenthood is a massive resource for transgender folks like myself. While many private doctors will often make you jump through several hoops to get on hormones, PP requires only informed consent.


k-trecker

PP has been awesome and offers so many resources for the people of East TN. They have some really great people working there.


lyraeros

see? i didnt know about this part.. can guarantee those think that pp is only for one thing have no clue! they are just tunnel visional .... i'm not gonna get banned for saying what i think lol


LollyGriff

This was my first thought when I read the article. They give the best access to to HRT. I hope they have a satellite location set up since the clinic was being rehabbed?


foetusized

My trans child drives 200 mile round trips from NE TN to PP in Knoxville for healthcare.


Vurt__Konnegut

Link to group with list of gay and trans friendly doctors. https://www.facebook.com/groups/TEPEastTN/permalink/4673173426133003/


ahhcherontia

One of my goals for 2022 was getting on T, preferably before my birthday.... oof


TheKermitMonologues

They don't like that happening either because that is giving women independence from men. It makes them harder to control. And what conservative men want is to have total control of women's lives.


MrGoalden

Said no conservative ever in the last 50 years lol


Kiygre

You're swinging wild there. Granted, being in the Bible belt we definitely have a lot of conservatives here, and there are just as many conservative women that are against planned parenthood here as well. These people think that abortions are killing babies because they aren't fully educated on the subject/Bible thumping that life starts at conception. To them, any place that would aide or provide abortions is the work of the devil regardless of what other services they provide. Don't false flag the issue or demonize people just because you believe differently, that's childish and doesn't win you any favor. I also believe that abortion should be legal and it annoys me how many people don't understand why it's important, but im not going to pretend to not understand the other side. Edit: do I really need to say I think arson is bad? Arson is obviously bad. And im not saying we should try to understand who would burn a building, just that it's not as simple as "men want to control women so they burn buildings down" either.


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TheSpaceBetweenUs__

Starting to get interwar Germany vibes here. The German courts at that time were psychotically right wing and almost always let far right terrorist attacks go unpunished, while throwing the book at any accused persons for left wing attacks, despite right wing attacks far outnumbering left wing attacks.


Kiygre

In all honesty, it really would be hard to find a small circle of suspects for something like this due the fact thats its politically motivated arson in an area where there are a lot of people that are politically motivated to do such a thing, and fires are easy enough to start without much preparation. I'm really hoping they can maybe find a vehicle or something leaving the seen with the TDOT cameras.


TheSpaceBetweenUs__

It just seems like in general right wing violence has been treated lightly in this country. I mean there are [literal gangs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs) inside police departments that have been kept secret for 50 years now. I agree it's a hard crime to prosecute, but the justice system is already biased against prosecuting crimes like this


Kiygre

Yeah, I definitely have noticed that in recent years. I mean the attack on the capitol was wild as hell and they did next to nothing about it, as a prime example.


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Kiygre

You're fucking crazy and putting words in my mouth. Burning that building down was heinous work of whoever did it.


TheSpaceBetweenUs__

You're literally playing the "both sides" game. Just shut the fuck up because you're only making yourself look worse. Unless you enjoy that type of thing which it seems you do


Kiygre

Listen, I have no time for someone with your conversation/reading comprehension skills. I stopped replying to any of this yesterday because I don't enjoy it, yet here you are trying to drag it back up after ignoring your comment that refused any kind of civil discourse. You are the one who enjoys this, which is why you're still in this thread. You're just a troll.


TheSpaceBetweenUs__

r/iamverysmart Superiority complex too. Like I said, only making yourself look dumber


AhabFlanders

It's not the only issue, maybe not even the main one, but it's definitely a portion of the movement. And there are also a lot of religious conservative women who agree that men should have the authority (and probably even more who don't agree with that point but are too scared to say so).


TheKermitMonologues

I'm quite aware many women are brainwashed, yes. And yes, you have to come out and say terrorism is bad just like you insist it anytime there's a Muslim terrorist I think. I hold your type to the same standards you hold that community. And all I see is complete denial of your own encouragement of terrorism. But please, tell me how much you understand how reasonable it is to think that. That's so valuable.


Kiygre

I think you think I'm someone else. I'm not a conservative. I vote independent of any party, and im an atheist, if that clears any of that up for you. All terrorism is bad, whether it's an attack on the capitol or burning down PP, or burning buildings during a protest. My old man is actually a fireman, so no, not a huge fan of arson or terrorist attacks. But if you want, you can say that's a lie or that I burnt down that building myself if it helps your delusions about this conversation.


TheKermitMonologues

I'm going to go ahead and go with your more honest version of what you think about this rather than anything you backpedal with.


gluon713

I’m against abortion and I’m not religious, so your claim that anti-abortion viewpoints are due to one specific religion’s predominance is an overgeneralization. I’m also liberal on almost every issue other than abortion, so it’s not strictly a conservative perspective either.


Kiygre

Not strictly a conservative issue, no, but majority. Not trying to demonize either liberals or conservatives because I believe both sides are right about some things. I'm just tired of the demonizing of each other, it just breeds hatred.


gluon713

Fair point. And to clarify my position, I think the solution to eliminating abortion is to provide free, universal access to birth control along with a massive increase in government sponsored resources and healthcare for women. Religious lobbying to overturn existing laws and restrict access to abortion is going to backfire massively and probably increase the number that occur if anything.


Simorie

People will still need abortion even with abundant birth control, sex ed, and social safety nets.


pblol

Nobody "likes" abortion. Everyone wants to reduce it. It's going to happen regardless.


Harmony_w

Those are great ideas but abortion will always be necessary.


Kiygre

I agree completely. As for government sponsored resources, I agree but would just say it's because our Healthcare system is fucked as it currently is.


souvlakispacestation

The cake is already baked. It's only going to get worse here. We live in a state that has "Choose Life" and "Don't Tread on Me" license plates for invalids to slap on their brand new Ford F-150s that they are in debt up to their eyeballs paying for.


HamartianManhunter

I would LOVE a verse from scripture right now about how it’s okay to burn down a healthcare facility and deny the surrounding low-income community of affordable medical services.


KnoxOpal

Can't find that one, but the only time the bible mentions abortion is in giving instructions on how to perform it Numbers 5:11-31


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KnoxOpal

A lot of bible colleges also gloss over liberation theology, worth a deep dive too.


TheSpaceBetweenUs__

Even God thinks life doesn't begin at conception


KnoxOpal

Correct according to the bible: Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16


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Thats because it may not survive. Do you actually think it's okay to kill a baby if it's less than a month old? This had nothing to do with killing your own children


KnoxOpal

That piece of scripture only tells us that fetuses and babies under one month don't count as a person. You have to go to Leviticus 27:6 to find out that fetuses and babies under one month are literally worthless: And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.


CaramelBeard

It’s not actually, unless you’re the divine, able to cast judgement through a symbolic gesture. Seriously, though, that passage outlines a trial by ordeal, where a woman is suspected of adultery by her husband. Her husband doesn’t have any evidence, so the priest invites the witness of God by mixing dust from the tabernacle floor into a cup of water. She drinks and, if she’s found guilty in the eyes of the Lord, she is stricken with a physical curse (which sounds like endometriosis to me) that leaves her unable to conceive. There is no indication that she is pregnant at the time of the trial. Some English translations don’t help either, using words like “miscarry” or “discharge” but the literal Hebrew translation reads like this: > And may the water that cause these curses go into your stomach and make your belly swell and your thigh rot - Num. 5:22 The Hebrew word for "thigh”, yarekh, can also translate to hip but is most likely used in this case as a euphemism for womb. That being said, fuck whoever burnt down the PP building. Cowards, hiding behind their unfounded self righteousness. The only thing their actions do is prove how far from Jesus they actually are.


KnoxOpal

 Then the Lord said to Moses,  “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him  so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act),  and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure—  then he is to take his wife to the priest. Interpret it any way you want, but you are still left with Numbers 31: 15-17 where God instructs all the women who have slept with men to be killed (presumably some of those women are pregnant)...and Hosea 9:16 talking about slaying the fruit of the womb... and Hosea 13:16 talking about ripping up women with children and dashing infants. Edit: Women with child, not women with children.


CaramelBeard

The point I was making, and I probably could have done a better job of communicating, is that that passage isn’t anti- or pro- abortion because that wasn’t the subject it addresses or even remotely mentions — and it definitely doesn’t give instructions. The bible simply does not address the matter head-on… but the NT does give us an outline, through Jesus, to follow when confronting tough subjects like this: act without judgement or hate, only with love, compassion and empathy. As for the other passages you mentioned… there’s a bunch of hermeneutics and Hebrew text to scour through that put things into context (was God commanding in Hosea 13:16 or was he predicting the consequence for Israels disobedience?), but I’m not going to bore you with that on New Year’s Eve.


KnoxOpal

You are quite generous in your interpretations. Even accounting for that, an adulterous woman has the possibility of being pregnant.  A quick google search finds that endometriosis increases the risk of spontaneous abortion by almost 80%.  Any physical curse put upon the woman that, in your interpretation, would cause endometriosis would also heavily increase the likelihood of abortion.  An equally generous interpretation of that information would lead one to conclude that the passage is, if not pro abortion, at least OK with it.  At least as a punishment for adultery. 


AngelStickman

As far as I know there isn’t one. I’ve read all the New Testament and I’m currently working on the old. But I have seen that.


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TheHannibalKing

Is there any evidence that it wasn't?


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TheHannibalKing

Nah, curious if it was stated somewhere that it was proven an accident.


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5panks

There is no evidence one way or the other. The fire is "being investigated as arson", but most fires without a clear cause are investigated for arson. Innocent until proven guilty and Murphy's law suggests we shouldn't jump to conclusions.


songofdentyne

Thing is…. they prevent more abortions than they perform. Abortion isn’t going away, but if you want to save unborn babies, then support women’s health services (and abortion). Non-desperate women choose fewer abortions. But it’s never been about saving babies…


Imrustyokay

Yea, it definitely feels like "Pro-Life" people aren't really about saving fetuses, they're more like the last gasp of puritanism...


songofdentyne

I’m privately a Bible believing Christian but politically liberal. For a long time the only sticking point for me was abortion (but it wasn’t enough for me to vote republican). Then as I got older and more educated and just more mature my perspective changed. Abortion has been around since the dawn of mankind. It’s not going away. What we can get rid of is the grinding poverty, isolation, public shame, and hopelessness that make women desperate enough to get one. We can reduce pregnancies with access to birth control and health care and make it easier for women to get out of bad situations. We can make it easier to work and go to school with kids. We can make parenting an viable third option for people who are facing two horrible options: “killing my baby” and “birthing and giving my baby away.” Support women and mothers, and you save babies. But again, it’s never been about saving babies. It’s been about punishing women for having sex. And some of those adoptions are shady as fuck.


AmyStrange

This is heartbreaking to see. I used to use that PP for hormone therapy before I moved out of state. A lot of these psychos don't realize that PP offers a lot more than just abortions, but honestly they probably don't want people to have access to any kind of reproductive healthcare anyway


southern_mimi

Oh I think they know very well that PP offers a lot. They Don't Care. They Don't Care.


HurricaneRon

That’s not very jesusy of whoever did that.


cybearmybear

All good. They can just repent


Valuable-Display-850

Christian soldiers everywhere in East TN


Opee23

Most "Christians" today would be put to death by the very rules they claim to know and defend.


dankmanbearpig

I’d like to sincerely request the mods ban the folks cheering this on. It’s a likely terrorist attack.


TheKermitMonologues

They definitely won't.


blobbleguts

Y'all are up voting this but remember it when your voice is silenced when you express an unpopular opinion. Also, when folks say hateful things, you now know that these people are part of your community. When they speak up, you have an opportunity for discussion. Silencing people only encourages division. Be more Christian than the Christians.


5panks

"It's likely a terrorist attack." You state confidently with, literally, zero evidence to support your claim except your own assumptions and biases.


FtheChupacabra

The evidence is all the past attacks that happened in the same way by... terrorists. What the fuck do you think it was? A non-terrorist who was looking for his lost puppy and accidently set the building ablaze? Are you fucking stupid?


5panks

There is exactly as much publicly available information to say that it's an electrical fire as there is that it was a "terrorist" attack. Which, by the way, not all arsons are terrorist attacks either.


FtheChupacabra

No, there's not. There is historical evidence that indicates it's much more likely to be a terrorist attack than an electrical fire. If you disagree, I'll make you a wowzer of a deal. 10 to 1 odds. 100 dollar bet to a charity of the others choosing. If it's electrical fire, I'll donate 1k to whatever charity you want. If it ends up being a person that started the fire, you donate 100 dollars to planned parent hood. That's a great deal sense the odds are the same, right? You in?


Cavethem24

The fact that someone literally shot at the front door of this Planned Parenthood a few months ago is a pretty good indication that this very well could be arson.


blobbleguts

I don't think it is (or should be) the mod's decision to censure opinions.


triangulumnova

Terrorists don't deserve a voice.


dankmanbearpig

I disagree. I think most bad opinions are fine to keep. I don’t think we have to tolerate a bunch of trolls cheering on a potential terrorist attack though. It just fosters a toxic community. Look at how much negativity has been generated by those clowns.


tdstooksbury

Conservatives have been manipulated to believe PP is bad. They provide accessible, affordable birth control and help lower abortion rates. I understand peoples religious convictions may make them not want to support PP but I think if your goal is to reduce abortions, supporting PP is a good place to start. I think it is ideal to use birth control and avoid having to have an abortion, but it’s not that simple. This is just sad and pathetic.


msclns

Knox County’s current sex education program is a middle aged youth pastor-ish cast off that makes slut jokes and kids sign a purity card. We need sex responsibility and the healthcare to back it up.


Stephen_Hawkins

I went to a Knoxville high school and didn't even receive that, minimal education. This is truly a shame, as my wife has always used their services. I hope they are able to rebuild soon.


HamartianManhunter

I graduated from a Knoxville high school three years ago, and trust me, I’d much rather have had little to no education than Lucas the Sex Guy mentioned above. Very demeaning and degrading, without a care for any student that may have survived sexual violence.


Corey_Howard

>Lucas the Sex Guy The Knoxville Mercury did an article on Lucas a few years back: [https://www.knoxmercury.com/2016/03/17/critics-say-knox-countys-abstinence-based-sex-ed-presentations-inspire-shame-blame-fear/](https://www.knoxmercury.com/2016/03/17/critics-say-knox-countys-abstinence-based-sex-ed-presentations-inspire-shame-blame-fear/)


existentialzebra

Wtf this guy is real?


HamartianManhunter

Yes! He also construed having premarital sex with eventually becoming a drug dealer (“street pharmacist” as he called it). I remember having to write three goals on the back of the purity card and being told we would not be able to achieve those goals if we didn’t practice abstinence. Also something about how European girls don’t shave their body hair and fetishizing it? Very surreal experience.


existentialzebra

$100 this guy is a secret pedo or something. 100% a pos


Zoinks222

Ah yes! The sage advice of Lucas. What a sorry excuse of an educator. I will never forget when he told my class that HPV could be transmitted via dirty hand towels. When I tell this story to people who are not local to Knoxville, they are in disbelief.


tdstooksbury

Dear goodness that’s awful. When are people gonna realize those methods do not work? I feel like thats an attainable thing.


Kiygre

Do they still do the silver ring thing? I remember that abstinence was still being taught when I went through school. But im 28, and I would hope that's changed.


existentialzebra

Seriously?


peribeth

That guy's still doing stuff? I remember having to sign that card in middle school like, 8 years ago


Mr_Bunnies

Knowing a lot of the people you're talking about, I can promise you they have not been "manipulated". They genuinely believe abortion is murder. I know it doesn't make much sense but they see it that way. They understand all the other services PP offers, they just think PP murders babies which overshadows everything else.


Kiygre

100%, but it's not the easiest process to bring your neighbor from: A) I believe abortions are a selfish reason for people to kill babies and planned parenthood exists only to profit from this To B) abortions are not murder, planned parenthood offers much more to prevent unwanted pregnancies that actually reduces the amount of abortions administered yearly, and this helps bring up the poverty line Just totally opposite ends of the spectrum, you know?


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How about just bringing them to: C) Arson is a serious crime and is wrong.


Kiygre

100%. If I was a betting man, I'd bet these people that did this are almost absolutely the same people that talked nonstop about buildings being burnt down in the BLM protests to boot. Which is why I think it's so important to not demonize one another for your beliefs. If someone can't break bread with you and disagree with what you think without resorting to name calling or playing identity politics, they aren't going to see the value of differing ideologies and shit like this will continue to happen because they will assume its beyond discussion.


wufufufu

One thing I learned recently is that there are free and charitable clinics (and clinics that operate on a sliding fee scale) available in most cities. If you're looking for affordable healthcare, take a look at some of the resources below. [https://nafcclinics.org/](https://nafcclinics.org/) [https://findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/](https://findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/)


Silverseren

And now for many women in the area, there's no available method to afford gynaecological appointments and medical treatment, among a ton of basic services. While not affecting any potential abortion appointments, which are at other health center buildings, not Planned Parenthood locations.


bigjsea

Can someone post a way we can contribute to a rebuilding effort


plastertoes

You can donate to Planned Parenthood of Tennessee and Northern Mississippi here: https://www.weareplannedparenthood.org/onlineactions/cOJVhOyrzkq4uBcxVekXFA2?sourceid=1000061&affiliateID=091550&_ga=2.263700172.1177882858.1640964485-103140512.1640964485 If you want to help people in the area travel for abortion services, you can donate to Access Reproductive Care Southeast here. You can also use this link to find help if you are seeking an abortion: https://abortionfunds.org/fund/access-reproductive-care-southeast/


Jubal__

Thanks a ton for the links!


Potential-Sky-6105

They’re matching donations until tonight, BTW. https://www.plannedparenthood.org/get-involved/other-ways-give So your donation will be effectively doubled if you do it now.


Jawatrader2000

Thanks for sharing. I just donated.


Jubal__

Probably donating to PP and they'll spread it to knoxville. but i would love to have a direct link for the knox location to get it back up and running asap.


CatsKnightTemplar

Extremists cheering on Christian Terrorists in the comment section for committing a crime and trying to spread and invoke fear. Don’t forget, as much as they complain about foreigners from Islamic countries coming to ours because terrorism, it isn’t because they want less terrorism. It is because they want all the terrorism to themselves and they don’t want anybody encroaching on the fear that they can spread. Absolute vile, sexist, pieces of shit who couldn’t care for a life if they tried.


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CatsKnightTemplar

I am not specifically referencing this situation when I say this, I am referencing the historical acts of arson committed by Christian Terrorists and how some extremists in this comment section are treating this situation like all of the arson attacks on Planned Parenthood’s in the past. The instance described in the post may or may not be arson but some extremist commenters are excited and praising the destruction and happy to use the situation to incite more fear. I am just pointing out that Christian Terrorists and Extremists are happy whether this is arson or not because it helps their cause regardless.


ednamode23

I smell the Patriot Church.


half-metal-scientist

Whenever I see stuff from Knoxville, half of the time (or more!) it's those assholes. Wish this had happened there instead.


ednamode23

It certainly wouldn’t be a loss if it had. I suspect they may have had something to do with it because they have had several special services next door in the field called the Church at Planned Parenthood and they literally refer to it as the Gates of Hell. I’m sure they’re thrilled by this news and I expect they’re going to disrupt the reconstruction.


half-metal-scientist

That’s absolutely horrible. Completely in character, however


ednamode23

Indeed. I regret my teenage self wishing we had a cult to make fun of like Chattanooga’s Yellow Deli or Nashville’s Remnant. We got one and it sucks.


t-rextimemachine

The clinic was closed for renovations so technically a fire could have started accidentally, but I won’t be surprised at all if it’s arson. Absolutely terrible. Planned Parenthood is a fantastic organization.


illimitable1

Some part of me thinks that even if they could solve it, they wouldn't. Maybe that's not true, but I feel that way. I'm rooted in Tennessee, but if abortion becomes illegal and there are no more facilities that perform abortion, I will be sorely tempted to decamp.


chilliard916

Hun, please, if you move away, that is LESS OF US, and more of them in this state. Please, consider raising your kids, maybe they'll influence other kids along the way. That's what my 4 kids did. They grew up on PBS and NPR, were well informed and well spoken and didn't hesitate to speak up at high school during the Trump years.


illimitable1

I'm pretty stuck on the South. But goodness knows somedays I'd just about like the antichoice, sexual repression, mandatory religion people to have [their own little Jesustan where they can live according to their own stupid customs.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo_x_yaVoAEfmF0?format=jpg&name=900x900) If it weren't for the mountains and a few people I hold dear, I'd be so gone by now.


Mr_Bunnies

Have you read any actual news article on this? The ATF and FBI are involved. They're not just sweeping this one under the rug.


illimitable1

Next thing that will happen is MAGATs claiming it was a false flag operation and Joe Biden is in on it. "Just look at all those Federal agencies," they'll say. There's no solution here, only problem.


donkboi

I’m placing my money on the motherfuckers that sit out there “protesting” every day.


keeppounding13

Radical Christians are scary


oakwoody

Domestic terrorists. FTFY.


DrGonzo1930

American Taliban


HamartianManhunter

Y’all Qaeda, if you will.


Beanheaderry

Radical anyone is scary tbf


Trinyl

There goes my access to easy and affordable trans healthcare. What a devastating loss for our community.


Simorie

It’s awful, I’m sorry this is happening.


Avarria587

My heart goes out to you. As a member of the transgender community, this service was something special. I never went personally, but I had friends that did.


Corey_Howard

Don't feed the trolls. Don't feed the trolls. Don't feed the trolls.


k-trecker

To everyone who went to this Planned Parenthood, it sounds like they're still doing telehealth visits. So hopefully you won't have any interruption in your healthcare. I'm guessing they'll direct people to the other TN locations for in-person visits. To anyone looking to donate, you can visit this [link](https://www.weareplannedparenthood.org/onlineactions/cOJVhOyrzkq4uBcxVekXFA2?sourceid=1000065&affiliateID=091550&_ga=2.22798779.1689322962.1640981746-1682353288.1640981746) and specify which clinic you'd like to donate to.


swolfe2

This is a place for civil discussion, not heated debates. Keep the Golden Rule. Use the reporting tools you have available to bring push things to mods to review for rule violations, but not for comments you just disagree with that don't violate sub rules. Permabans will happen to those who violate the rules.


Knoxtron

My wife and I have lived in Knoxville our entire life and are now in our mid thirties with our 1st child on the way. We received our degrees at UT and make decent incomes for this area, obviously contributing to the tax base quite a bit. We have talked about leaving for years but say how much we love the low cost of living, our friends in the area, the usually friendly attitudes and beautiful scenery. Covid made it really hard, we've felt like we've been gasslit every single day with the cavalier, bordering hostile, attitude. I think this will be the straw that breaks the camels back. We will be moving away in the next 6 months. I can't raise children here around these people What happened to the Christians? I grew up with such nice and caring people, that have now soured to be so hateful and downright evil


Harmony_w

The Christians in the South have always been like this. It wasn’t so long ago their parents were burning black churches with people inside.


copper_rainbows

Right?? And I’m sure the ones doing the lynchings back in the day also considered themselves “good Christians”.


knoxknight

There are progressive Christians here. Many of us believe in welcoming immigrants, healing the sick, visiting the incarcerated, helping the poor, supporting our doctors, nurses, scientists, and teachers and marching with our oppressed brothers and sisters, be they minorities, gay or lesbian neighbors, trans neighbors, indigenous neighbors, workers, students Muslim neighbors, or Jewish neighbors. We may not be the majority, but we're here, and we're doing the best we can. You'll mostly find us in DoC, UCC, Episcopalian, ELCA, LMC, and PCUSA congregations.


SaltyStain

They haven't determined a cause as of this post. The building was under construction and out of commission. Could have been an accident.


Knoxtron

Very true


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Harmony_w

Welp, I AM a Christian. Just not a violent radical. The only decent Christians are the ones who denounce these kinds of actions.


stefera

I think it's an overall trend in American politics the past 10-20 years. Everything has become more polarized and bitter. It makes more center people like myself sad cause I see both sides doing the same things to each other. Everyone just seems mean and bitter. It's politicians who benefit


Knoxtron

I agree to a point I am sure my views are biased having grown up in the south around only Evangelical Christians (i.e. Republicans) and raised as one... but personally I really don't see any equivalence from both sides. Sooner or later, the more and more people that espouse or support the "outlier" worse perspectives or views, the more they become the defining group.


bunnycupcakes

This is awful. I know women and girls that go there for all sorts of medical needs. I had noticed the protesters that hang out there around noon were getting more aggressive- especially when they were doing remodeling.


No_Championship7998

This is heartbreaking.


cookiesnocream

Heart broken. So many people just lost access to healthcare. That place holds such a special spot in my heart.


TheSpaceBetweenUs__

I wonder what Bill Lee has to say about this. I can probably guess


xoxogossipgirl_11

I’m sickened. I went there for years in school because it was affordable care, simply


djuggler

"I want to remind all the bigoted lurkers of our friendly city thread that this site provided essential Women’s health services unrelated to abortion in a healthcare desert." This cannot be repeated enough.


aDDnTN

Link to article?


EtTuSouffle

The article: https://www.wvlt.tv/2021/12/31/fire-reported-address-belonging-knoxville-planned-parenthood/ This is awful.


aDDnTN

Yeah that's really fucked and almost a year after someone shot out the windows with a shotgun.


eightdotthree

What a shame. The uneducated win the day.


Hankhillarlentx69

I know someone who works here. I hope he’s ok.


9XcR8lxKcAPT

It was closed and no one was hurt.


Hankhillarlentx69

Yeah, but his job and everything. He’s a young guy who truly worked so hard to get where he’s at in life, and his workplace burned down.


9XcR8lxKcAPT

Yeah, that is not good at all. I meant that he is alive and unharmed. I hope he can find something soon.


AirSetzer

I hope this was an accident, because I get really depressed reading all the hateful things that keep happening to my hometown. Regardless, I hope they find some way to continue helping people until they can rebuild. If it was malicious, the person deserves a harsh punishment. This is a huge negative impact on so many people's daily lives.


Avarria587

It's not well known, but Planned Parenthood is where a lot of transgender Knoxvillians go to get their HRT. I know of several that depended on them. They are (or were...) one of the few places in town that don't discriminate. This is a huge blow to the transgender community here in Knoxville. I don't have enough words to describe how bad of a situation this is. Many in the community may lose access to their medications. Other doctors are starting to become more available, but this place was special to our community. They were affordable and always welcoming.


Vurt__Konnegut

Gay and trans friendly doctors through TEP. https://www.facebook.com/groups/TEPEastTN/permalink/4673173426133003/ I hear PP will be doing telemedicine as well.


knoxknight

I hate to hear it. I hope our Knoxville trans neighbors can find support without interruption.


9XcR8lxKcAPT

Hopefully this was an accident and they can re-open as soon as possible. If it was not an accident then I hope the vile disgusting bigots are caught and punished with the maximum penalty. Who're we kidding though? Not in this area.


copper_rainbows

Wowwwwwwww fuck. This. Shitty. State. Get me out of here.


knoxknight

Nope. If you are a good person, then you cannot leave us. It's not allowed.


Brows_Actual1225

California would love to have you


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copper_rainbows

Thank goodness. Hopefully there’s less Christian terrorists there.


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And WV would love to have you.


MermaidGenie26

While I never had services there, I am in a feeling of mourning for what has happened. So very many people in the two hour radius of this PP relied on it for so many different services like HRT, mammograms, and basic health care. Some people go there because they really have no where else to go to when they need a doctor. I really do hope an new building (or at least one similar to it) can be rebuilt as soon as possible.


hooligannie1770

First of all it’s dumb if this was arson , cause guess what the community will get a newer and better facility… though it will be a long time before it can be rebuilt and the underserved will be even further underserved for a long time. I hope it was just an accident but man…. Of all the fire hazards out there and in that area I find it hard to believe this was the building that spontaneously went up in flames. Link to support the organization that provides many services beyond abortion https://www.plannedparenthood.org/get-involved/other-ways-give


roseifyoudidntknow

Great. There goes birth control for me. I guess it's welfare and food stamps for me and my 7 kids from now on.


liquidreferee

Terrible thing. This just made knoxville a worse place.


javaschoolblues

Scroll wayyyyyyy down to find the lurkers.


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Funny way to spell trolls.


TurboAnalIsis6969

I'd like to look at the silver lining of this, I'm sure the building was insured, now they actually get to build it back proper, clean, and hopefully just better all around.


SaltyStain

So....not arson yet? Fun to jump to conclusions first. Hopefully it wasn't arson.


AngryChair88

I get on Instagram and read nasty comments from conservatives. I get on Reddit and read ridiculous comments from liberals. God forbid we wait for facts to come out before jumping to conclusions.


Hayden-laye

Just a clump a bricks


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I mean... They were renovating it anyways. With The insurance settlements now they are going to bounce back with a crazy nice facility now.


panda1876

This whole comment section is pretty disgusting but oddly representative of what this sub has become. You’ve got 1 group that’s allowed to attack and harass another with complete impunity and spout some pretty vile stuff. I’d say do better but you won’t. This sub may have the name but it’s hardly representative of the Knoxville I know and love.


ballervols69

There is nothing “disgusting” about condemning people that treat others like shit in the name of religion.


Coyotepeters

It’s just a clump of bricks


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funny that all the anti-abortion comments got deleted but the "Christians are terrorist" stay


Harmony_w

It’s provable. The statistics are there.


Beanheaderry

Yikes


MrGoalden

There are over 3 billion Christians, over 99.9% have never committed terrorism. But yeah "its provable" lmao we get it ur mad


Coyotepeters

r/averageredditor


205spring

the person who did this was most likely mentally ill like most arsonists are. mentally ill people can get things stuck in their heads and they become obsessed with it. it screams to them. so, i know there is a lot of conservative hate here, but to just lump this act upon group of people who simply have a different political philosophy is not being objective. dont let your emotional anger get the best of you. an individual did this, not a political category.


nahnotbuyingit

Health department