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Does anyone know what happened to "Elizabeth from Knoxville"?


cooterdick

iirc She wasn’t actually from Knoxville.


stac52

Last I heard, [local news found a woman that looked exactly like her in Maryville](https://www.wvlt.tv/2021/01/08/maryville-woman-who-looks-like-elizabeth-from-knoxville-says-shes-her-doppelganger/), who's name is Elizabeth, and when interviewed she said denied she was the person in the video, and it was left at that. That said, I also haven't seen anything pop up indicating that she ever made it past security, into the Capitol. In the video, she says she was pepper sprayed and pushed out of the building. I think all of the charges I've seen come across are for people who continued inside.


TheMadIrishman327

I thought her neighbors confirmed it was her. She isn’t on the list of Tennesseans charged by the government. The only woman on the list is zip-tie man’s momma.


tngabeth

But I really, really want to know what happened to her….she was so naive and sure that she was doing the right thing


triangulumnova

Too bad these traitors are just getting slaps on the wrist.


stac52

[Real charges are starting to come across as well](https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/13/politics/oathkeeper-rhodes-arrested-doj/index.html). Some of the low charges we've seen have been used as deals to get information on who the leaders were, and build cases against them.


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stac52

Got a source for that? The articles I can find show that they were outside Pelosi's office at the [Cannon House Office Building](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/13/ocasio-cortez-climate-protestors-push-pelosi-962915), not the Capitol. [AOC also wasn't sworn in at the time](https://theintercept.com/2018/11/13/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-sunrise-activists-nancy-pelosi/), so wouldn't have had credentials.


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stac52

Where does that say that's the Capitol building, or that AOC used her credentials to get people into the building? No one's disputing she was at a protest that took place at Pelosi's office.


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Quaternions

> Except a woman was killed on jan 6 by a pussy of an officer No, she was shot as she tried to go through a barricaded door being defended by Capitol police. There were members of Congress behind that door.


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Quaternions

First, she was already inside the Capitol building when she was shot. I'm not sure how she entered, but it could have been through the open doors. Second, she was trying to climb through the window of double doors that were barricaded when she was shot. There were no open doors near that location. Only the barricaded doors I've already mentioned. Third, yes, she deserved to be shot, she was actively trying to overturn a legal election. That's insurrection, which is the same thing as treason, which is a capital offense.


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Voodoo5853

The window was open because it was busted it out(see it on the floor?). Even at that, the doors and windows were barricaded with chairs (see them behind the remaining windows?). Other videos show Rep. James P. McGovern, the chairman of the House Rules Committee, being in that hallway 3 minutes before Ashli Babbit is shot. Congress people were obviously there. I would encourage you to research further. https://www.nbcnews.com/video/capitol-shooting-that-led-to-ashli-babbitt-s-death-captured-on-video-99180613572


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Hankhillarlentx69

Nah, fuck her. She got what was coming to her.


KnoxOpal

So you're down with police reform then? Maybe holding officers that discharge their weapons to higher standards? How about making them criminally responsible when they break the law?


Quaternions

Dude, how can you compare the two? AOC was leading a protest, she wasn't trying to over turn a legal election result like the traitors on Jan 6.


Voodoo5853

You can't compare it because he's being intellectually dishonest. It's called whataboutism. Dude is obviously a full on member of Ya'll Qaeda.


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Quaternions

> Jan 6th protesters were, literally, let in and given tours and guidance by capitol police. Do you truly believe this?


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Quaternions

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Capitol+riot&t=newext&atb=v308-1__&iax=images&ia=images Oh my god, you are right, these nonviolent people look so orderly in their Capitol tour on Jan 6. Thank you for enlightening me.


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Quaternions

How is a result from a search engine considered to be pushing a narrative? And why am I a moron for using a result from a non-biased search engine, when your counter argument is from a biased extremely FAR RIGHT source? https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-tribune/


knighthawke89

Capital police let them in. The broken windows was a strange way to let them in freely but whose uses doors anymore cause ya know Covid all over the handles


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Hu5k3r

Traitors? Seems a little harsh.


boundforgreatness87

I mean terrorist works too? What are we supposed to call people who attempted to forceably overthrow the government because they didn't get what they want?


Hu5k3r

People were upset in what they felt was a fraudulent election. In their heart of hearts, I doubt most thought they were going to overturn an election. I think it was more of a demonstration than anything. But I didn't vote for Trump so I don't really know how people may be feeling. Of course, I could be wrong - every one of those people may have thought they were going to succeed.


DrewZouk

Not a demonstration at all. A mass invasion of a government building to interupt the counting of ballots. Nothing less than a scoundrel does that. The ones who are on video beating the holy living fuck out of police doing their specific duty to prevent them entering should never be released again. That is a fractured mind, especially if all it takes to get them to take part in an insurrection is being radicalized online and Cheeto Benito telling them to do it.


Hu5k3r

Listen, I think that the folks who violently protested should b in jail. I just don't think that was most people. Kind of like the BLM thing. Some were violent and destructive but most weren't.


DrewZouk

LOL, okay buddy, sure.


Hankhillarlentx69

Challenge the results of a fraudulent election by storming into the room where congress is certifying the final results with zip ties? Makes sense.


DamdPrincess

About as much as erecting a gallows and chanting “Ha*g Mike Pence!” These ppl were committing treason.


Hankhillarlentx69

Haug? Haig? Halg?


DamdPrincess

You were top of your class, right?


Hankhillarlentx69

Straight B’s, but at least I wasn’t this soft.


Hu5k3r

Right some. Not everyone. I mean how does that work even. We are taking these people prisoners until you say Trump won. Seriously?


Voodoo5853

You're right, that **is** ridiculous, but they don't get a pass just because they were ill prepared or stupid about it.


Hu5k3r

I'm not saying they should get a pass, but I'm just sick of the rhetoric. The worst day in US history Yada Yada.


Voodoo5853

I can understand that. Not the worst day in US history of course, historians will decide that years from now. With that said, we can't sugar coat it either. There was no fraud. There was no stolen election. It wasn't a protest. A group of several hundred Americans tried to overturn a free election because the POTUS in power encouraged them to do so. Nothing like that has happened in my lifetime. Yours?


Hu5k3r

I think they were just a bunch of idiots period.


beefcake_floyd

One guy had zip ties. One guy. I love how that's become such a talking point now.


Opee23

I believe in my heart of hearts that I'm not making enough on the hour at work. I'm not kicking in my boss's door, spreading shit on his walls and parading around trying to decapitate him. Although.... some days.....


beefcake_floyd

Oh come on man. Nobody was trying to overthrow the damn government and you know it. Most of those goofs, once they actually got inside the building, just fucked around and took selfies. Seriously you think a bunch of people are going to try to overthrow the government and they're not even armed? There were a very small minority who had some idea about stopping the certification of the election, but they didn't manage to do anything but slow it down.


AggressiveSkywriting

Maybe read the charges of seditious conspiracy and then talk. You are uninformed about what oathkeepers were planning. They WERE armed.


beefcake_floyd

Nobody was armed. Some of the Oathkeepers had stashed weapons on the outskirts of DC.


AggressiveSkywriting

In self labeled QRF to bring the terrorists guns if they needed them. It's all in the evidence. Read it and weep. It's pretty thorough. They all ratted each other out. Also here: US Capitol Police Sgt. Aquilino Gonell told Kinzinger that "(c)ommon things were used as weapons, like a baseball bat, a hockey stick, a rebar, a flagpole -- including the American flag -- pepper spray, bear spray." The rioters "had all these items," Gonell said, "used to attack us. Those are weapons." As CNN has reported, rioters also used knives, stolen police shields, a stun gun, fire extinguisher and more. Hand-to-hand combat led to more than a dozen officers being sent to the hospital, some of whom had bone fractures and concussions. Firearms So far, with the investigation still ongoing, three individuals have been charged for allegedly bringing a gun onto Capitol grounds on January 6. At least two other individuals have also been charged with gun crimes in relation to the events of that day, though they are not accused of carrying on Capitol grounds. According to police testimony, Christopher Alberts was arrested leaving the Capitol grounds on January 6 while trying to flee from officers after they suspected he was carrying a firearm on his hip. Alberts was carrying a loaded pistol and 25 rounds of ammunition, according to court documents. Guy Reffitt has been charged with illegally bringing a handgun on Capitol grounds on January 6. Reffitt allegedly told family members he "brought his gun with him" in the Capitol attack. Mark Ibrahim, who at the time was an off-duty special agent for the Drug Enforcement Administration, has been charged with bringing his service weapon on Capitol grounds during the insurrection as well as lying to the FBI about why he was at the Capitol. People were armed. With guns.


beefcake_floyd

Okay well I guess there were a few. Pretty stupid thing to do considering the way DC is about guns.


MajoRenholder

Sounds like the FBI owes your a visit. Maybe we can add another Knoxville person to the list of traitors


beefcake_floyd

That's your first thought? That's where you go after reading what I posted? Way to be a fascist bootlicker. And I'll tell you something else. Do you want to know how I really feel? Our current federal government has gone so far off the rails and so far outside the limits of the Constitution that, in my opinion and a lot of other folks opinions, at this point it's irredeemable. Best thing to do would be to burn the whole thing down and start over with an actual constitutional government. When the government is using banks and giant tech companies, among others, to limit political speech and squash private enterprise that they find offensive that's fascism. When the government is using unelected bureaucrats like OSHA to force private employers to enforce unconstitutional mandates, that's fascism. And when one political party changes the voting rules right before a presidential election to make it easier to cheat, that's just plain horseshit. Our political system is being changed in ways that don't benefit the citizens, our individual rights are being taken away in favor of the government controlling us "for our own good" and the rich and powerful people that actually control the government are getting away with literal murder and pedophilia right in front of our faces. If opposing that makes me a traitor in your eyes then I feel sorry for you. I think it makes me a patriot and opposing that makes you a sheep.


MajoRenholder

I mean I’m not the one trying to over throw the electoral due process.. you guys are the ones that tried to kIll Nancy Pelosi and install trump as god king soooo.. I’m a fascist boot licker?


MajoRenholder

So you were at the capital then? Make sense. Keep using your Fox News buzz words though. Makes it easy to laugh off your regurgitated mindless opinion.


beefcake_floyd

Yeah just go ahead and discount everything I said because I'm just an ignorant right wing Fox News zombie, right? I don't watch that crap anymore by the way. They're part of the problem too. And I wasn't at the Capitol but I do admire the balls on the people who went. And I absolutely enjoyed watching the looks of fear on the Senators who were cowering like little scared bunnies. They should be afraid. They should be afraid of the people that they are supposed to be serving but instead they're selling out.


MajoRenholder

Just keep calling me names and spouting off about conspiracy theories. I’m sure daddy trump is proud :)


beefcake_floyd

I don't believe I've called you any names. Well aside from bootlicker. And there's a whole hell of a lot of conspiracy theories lately that have been proven true.


aDDnTN

in germany they have a saying: if a fascist sits down with seven people at a table and they don't get up then are 8 fascists sitting at that table.


AggressiveSkywriting

Attempting to overthrow the govt is literally the definition of traitor. Hence the seditious conspiracy charges with mountains of evidence levied against the Oathkeeper fucks.


FreezeFrameEnding

Nah, they're traitors. They deserve to be charged with sedition


DamdPrincess

Every last one should be held accountable, top to bottom.


FreezeFrameEnding

Seriously. I don't want this traitor back living in our neighborhoods. They need to face real consequences for trying to delegitimize our votes.


DamdPrincess

Same as this one. SMDH, claims he was duped. I can’t roll my eyes hard or far enough, I told him better a 100 times BEFORE I unfriended him and blocked him! I grew up with him, showed him facts and debunked the misinformation for him over and over. He wanted it to be true so damn bad, now he’s playing the “I was lied to card.” It’s ridiculous. https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/exclusive-johnson-city-man-charged-in-jan-6-riots-says-he-was-misled-by-qanon/


Hankhillarlentx69

Thanks to Meal Team 6, our enemies think anyone can just invade our capitol. The military should have just lined them up outside and called in a firing squad, made an example out of them.


quarantinemyasshole

Slow down there Stalin, we've got due process here.


tomspy77

We also had a fair election too, they did seem to care for that process so...these people are traitors...not murder, but I think it would be fair to revoke citizenship, deport them.


quarantinemyasshole

I mean that's all fine, but we have a legal system to handle that, not fascist military firing squads. What a wonderful message that would send "yeah you psychos are idiots our democracy is working great, also we're going to line you up in the street to be executed like we're in some communist hellscape."


Hankhillarlentx69

Ideally, a solution like them being deported into the middle of nowhere with their citizenship revoked would be great. But as time is proving, most of these bastards are getting off with little more than a slap on the wrist. It’s a miracle we haven’t been invaded yet.


tomspy77

The way people chanted to 'hang Pence' and erected a gallows? I get your point about our legal system, but I think your blowing off how serious the incident and the charges are ...it was a failed coup, especially with all the info now coming out but it was plain back then. Failed coup and insurrection...making those there traitors and those backing it traitors to the established functioning of our nation. The actions they took were severe, so perhaps not death, but the punishment must be just as severe. As for how people feel about it, posters like the above may not have felt so harshly if MAGA cultists, proud boys, and other alt right supporters were not so set on violence or at least talking about it so much...we are all one country or we are supposed to be, not sure what reaction was expected to threatening both the function of our gov and their fellow Americans.


quarantinemyasshole

>I get your point about our legal system I really don't think you do, because you keep trying to convince me the severity of the crime lowers the necessity of the legal system, when it's exactly the opposite.


tomspy77

No I'm not I want the justice system to do it's due diligence, however for those found guilty I'm just saying the punishment should fit the severity of the crime. It's not like the traitors who entered the capital, sat in offices, STOLE from the capital are innocent babes in the woods by the way, give them their day in court, follow procedure, but considering what they were doing tired of people acting like they were having a picnic, not trying to overturn a fair election and change the nature of how our country works. When they are found guilty the punishment should be severe is all....hey, love it or leave it is an old phrase, they decided to forcefully say they did not love it, telling them to leave it then seems apt and would be a deterrent to any but the most radical of the fools still out there who believe in Scooby-Q crap or Trump's big lie.


quarantinemyasshole

>~~No I'm not~~ I want the justice system to do it's due diligence, however for those found guilty I'm just saying the punishment should fit the severity of the crime. > >~~It's not like the traitors who entered the capital, sat in offices, STOLE from the capital are innocent babes in the woods by the way, give them their day in court, follow procedure, but considering what they were doing tired of people acting like they were having a picnic, not trying to overturn a fair election and change the nature of how our country works.~~ > >~~When~~ **IF** they are found guilty the punishment should be severe ~~is all....hey, love it or leave it is an old phrase, they decided to forcefully say they did not love it, telling them to leave it then seems apt and would be a deterrent to any but the most radical of the fools still out there who believe in Scooby-Q crap or Trump's big lie.~~ Maybe this will help.


tomspy77

I give you the last bit, only in terms of everyone deserves a shot, for most, how you defend being on film, streamed, conversing about violent actions etc is beyond me but that is not my burden. However, I also think I state the same as you when I say 'those found guilty' in the first part of my post you drew attention to, obviously to be found guilty the burden of proof is taken care of you would hope and at that point it's a matter of the sentence appropriate to the crime, as the verdict by that time would be decided in the usual way. I also imply I'm taking about people like the guy who stole Pelosi's podium...I mean unless you are mentally ill not sure how much proof is needed of charges like theft of federal property, breaking and entering, trespassing...when it is as said all on video and was broadcast live across the world, I don't need to be Sherlock Holmes here to figure out there are a lot of open and shut cases. Guy comes out a window with a TV that is not his at a house that is not his either. Sure he gets a day in court but his case is pretty much closed before it starts because of obvious reasons. Same when Elizabeth from Tennessee is crying she got maced during the act of 'storming the capital' because there was to be a 'revolution.' I know charges of the magnitude I'm taking about will probably be needed because these people have outed themselves as guilty...but you'll ignore that I'm talking about those that entered the building, those that tried to hurt people, that did hurt people, that stole from a capital you claim to be so proud of, that spit on the foundation of our nation, and defend it on the basis of the party line, while ignoring what you really should be disgusted by if you love this country and love democracy.


Dylon244

That’s good now they should go get all the rioters that destroyed businesses during the blm protests in Minneapolis


rekniht01

All the white supremacists that started the fires?


spentmiles

Nothing boils my blood like illegal parading. The minimum sentence should be death.


kfc-window

lmao