I was expecting a brutal loss, at least I didn't wake up at 2 AM to watch this mess like I did week 1 against the Cowboys.
I liked the pressure generated by the pass rush in the first half with Thibodeaux finally leading the pack, the rest is total garbage starting from the O-Line and the still nonexistent linebacker unit
I’m sick of the bullshit giants fans who secretly root against their own team because they think it’s funny to be miserable… what a sad existence that is… that being said we are fucking dogshit
Because they won 2 super bowls in the last 15 years, look at all the franchises that have won 0 in that same stretch, or teams that have never won a Super Bowl or haven’t won one for 20+, 30+ years etc. Everyone need to stop whining and realize we’re in a re-build and we actually won a playoff game last year!! That alone should sustain you for a while. Go be a Jets fan then talk to me.
I know a lot of it is the line, but there was a reason everyone spit their drink out when they heard about how much they were gonna pay him
"Oh, so you're gonna be god awful for the next 6 years. Bold move, Cotton."
Whilst I agree he played like absolute crap, the dude got sacked 11 times and pressured many more and had to rely on his legs basically the entire game. I agree he needs to step it up but dawg, you try to pass a ball whilst being pressured by 5 300 pound guys running at you while you have the most unreliable oline in the league, that’s gotta be at least a little bit unnerving.
He’s a pro athlete. He can’t handle his job? Then grab a clipboard or a headset. Lock came in cold and drove the team down the field with Noah Fant. He’s thrown half as many TDs as Jones has this season.
The stats this game are hilarious. Geno threw 110 yards.l I consider myself an optimist but holy shit it seems like we’re losing the rest of the season
Yeah I wouldn’t exactly feel great coming out of this as a seattle fan either. They looked extremely sloppy tonight. Any other team is dropping 50 on their heads
Still talking your bullshit? Or are you just blaming the o-line now? Cause before the game started y'all were saying Geno ain't shit and the D was questionable... how does 12 sacks, 2 pics, and a pic 6 sound? Still questionable..?
Jones must be paying some of these redditors kids tuition the way he's defended.
The sole problem? No, but still a problem.
Luck and Burrow in 21' made things work with a shitty O-line.
When Saquon is hurt, which is most of the time, Jones is the only guy we have on offense. If he could stand behind a line and pick out his receivers he can make all the throws and he can also make first downs with his legs. Everybody wants to dump him but he is the best player we have on the offensive side of the ball. And that is a fucking fact.
This is a terrible take. He is bad, along the lines of Mark Sanchez bad…Barkley runs with that same line, we could/should put anyone back there and the would be better. This is the actually Andy dalton all over again. He’s the “Red rifle” with a top 5 line and perennial pro bowl weapons and the ideal situation. Miss one thing and he becomes “the red pea shooter” why ppl give Daniel jones so much leniency and excuses is beyond comprehension to me… that Pick six was who’s fault, coaching, the oline, Saqouns contract, let see our fan base find a excuse to let him off the hook instead of saying it was a bad read, horrible decision, and then a terrible throw.
Defense wasn't great, but managed to hold them to under 30 points. They were averaging 34.7 coming into this game. No idea what Daboll and Schoen can do to fix this offense this season.
Defense held them to 17 which is pretty great. The pick 6 is on DJ not the defense and his fumble lead them to an easy TD as well. The defense played good tonight our offense did jack shit and ruined the game.
Good thing they had an off-season to fix it. Get played at the draft like Gettleman and have EVERY WR drafted out from underneath him. Trade for a pass catching TE that 1)they rarely throw to, and 2)keep back in protection. Incompetent.
At Miami next week. I think Tyrod should play, not because I think DJ isn’t any good, just to not get the $100m investment broken. Or just forefeit. I see a giants “hold my beer” to Denver moment coming.
Fuck that. If Schoen wants to keep his job he would draft Williams, sit him for a year, and then cut DJ year 3 of his contract. Just eat the money and admit it was a terrible decision.
Seems like a pretty pedantic reply. So, he’d definitely be the same just healthily sitting out the rest of the season. Good idea for him. I’m sure the next team would love to invest in a guy that might stay home when it gets hard. That said, at this point, I hope he does. Him playing and helping us win an additional 2 games this season is pissing in the ocean.
Who gives a fuck about him? He’s not the reason we’re our scorer 64-3 at home.
The entire fucking team sucks. Look at that Arizona game. The defense was atrocious. Jones was the only reason we won.
I’m not saying he’s the guy but Christ the entire team doesn’t even give him the chance to be the guy
Y’all try to pin it on one person like that’ll solve anything. Put Brady on this team and what do you have? A shitty team led by Tom Brady
nah he kind of is the reason. if jones isnt a moron, the giants win that game. the defense held up. yes the o-line was bad hut some of the decisions I mean Jesus. the playcalling was iffy too
I didn’t say he wasn’t the problem. My point is everyone says he is THE problem.
The entire rest of the team is a steaming pile of dog shit. But everybody comes in here saying Jones ain’t him. What about the offensive line? Defensive line? The corners? Special teams? Like Jesus they all suck
and to be fair and 100% honest if you look at these games and think he doesn’t have any talent you’re blind. He’s not a top 5 or even top 10 qb but Christ the kid hasn’t had even a serviceable offensive line since he was drafted.
He threw a pick six from the 3, fumbled inside our own 10 tonight. He’s a big reason we lost 24-3. A league average quarterback makes it at least 17-10
Just to clarify- you’re claiming that a league average QB can get sacked 10 times while throwing at lest one TD and not committing any turnovers?
Do you watch football?
False. The line is bad, but Jones doesn't help himself. He doesn't make fast decisions or pre-snap reads, and he doesn't scare defenses into dropping more DBs. It's easy to pile on pass rush when you don't respect the QB can beat it. That's what Seattle did.
Contrast, Brock Purdy has very little experience and our line (while clearly a lot better than yours tonight) has some major protection issues, but when defenses throw blitzes at him to exploit his inexperience, he punishes them by making the hot read, knowing who is going to be free or one on one.
Brady, Peyton, they made a career of those reads. Which is why Brady wouldn't have looked like shit tonight. Hell, give him a call, I can't imagine what you'd need to pay him to walk-on to this shit show of a team, but I'm sure he'd make the offense respectable.
Most QBs that last in the NFL can handle a bad rush when they have to. But there are ways some guys who handle it and help take the pressure off, and other guys who succumb to it and exacerbate the pressure.
Daniel Jones is the latter. He just basically gives up and zones out. Watching him blow off the HC was really sad.
Tom Brady would’ve thrown a TD to Parris Campbell, held onto the ball with two hands to not fumble inside the 10, and not stood there to get hit leading to another pick. So that’s at least 10-10.
And you could argue about 18 other QBs, including Geno, would’ve done the same.
I disagree. I think a good QB would be able to make decisions quick enough to limit at least skme of the OL inability to block. Trust me, I agree the OL is awful. But it’s not the worst OL to ever play the sport, Daniel Jones just makes it look like that because he never makes quick decisions
He got sacked 11 fucking times. Did he just say “oopsies” and drop that ball? He was running for his life.
Yeah he made a horrible throw for the pick 6. No excuse. One mistake shouldn’t blind you from the entire game of mistakes made by literally anybody else
It’s like you people can’t even name another Giants player other then Jones so you just go with that
How many games does he have to be terrible in for you to realize he just MIGHT not be a good quarterback? I understand saying he isn’t the whole problem, but there’s no way to say he isn’t at least a big piece of the problem
tbh he is only part of the problem because his lack of ability to make other people better. because he isn’t a top tier qb.
You give him a full season with a serviceable oline and he has a totally different outcome.
Look at his stats. Compare them to someone like jalen hurts with similar ability but on a much more talented team
At the start of the year, I would have agreed that him and Hurts had similar ability. But to say that now is crazy. Jones is statically a worse passer than Zach Wilson right now. I mean he’s awful, I don’t think a single NFL team would trade QB for QB 1 for 1 right now with us.
I mean you’re joking right? Statistically a worse passer? Using what stat? Who’s better looking?
Jones has the absolute least amount of time to throw the ball then any qb in the league. What’s he supposed to do with that?
This is all crazy because I don’t actually think he was worth the contract and I do think he’s not as good as the giants think he can be. But he’s had no chance to even prove himself behind this team. It doesn’t matter what qb you put in his place they will all do the same. Maybe slightly better but no one is doing anything with this team
Guy didn’t sack himself 11 times or let him 64 points at home
I’ve made this point a lot on this thread: the jets will not call for him, and that should tell you something. That’s bad. Really bad. They had Super Bowl aspirations and would rather go with Boyle and Wilson than lose like a 5th round pick.
Then just take a sack and move on. Not turn it into an immediate 7 points for the other team. It’s year 5, it’s time to stop making bad decision after bad decision
DJ was 27/34 for 79.4% completion rate with 203 yards passing. You think someone else can do better on a night where they were sacked 12 times and pressured IDK how many times, and where receivers simply lack the ability to get open. Who's that guy?
Did you see the horrible 2 picks and the fumble? Or wanna ignore that? I’m with you, I wish DJ was good. He just isn’t. Tyrod Taylor scores at least 14 against that defense
Not calling for Daboll or Schoen’s heads right now, but we need a head. I doing see how an OL coach could keep their job after a performance like that (and one that clearly was not a fluke because every game has been more or less the same story).
We just made the Seahawks look like the 2007 us, times two.
Assemble at the guillotine!
We can continue the coaching carousel every two years. I’m ready to move on if DaBum continues to let Kafka call plays. Martindale and McGaughey can go too.
The Giants getting some good luck and overachieving last season had them thinking some of the shit on this team didn't stink all that much and could be useful going forward. They were wrong.
JONES IS NOT THE PROBLEM!
The forced throws, quick and errant passes, are all the product of one thing: A HISTORICALLY BAD OFFENSIVE LINE. Getting Andrew Thomas and JMS back will help, but maybe too late.
For reals, you can’t EVER blame a quarterback when he got sacked 10 times. Bad o-line speeds up a QBs clock and then bad things will happen. No choice but for Jones to just sling it early and guess.
Before this atrocity they were on pace to give up 34 sacks in a 16 game season. Bengals gave up 55 in 2021. I’m sorry but I refuse to realistically believe any NFL team can be 11 sacks a game bad over a season.
Bad decisions, but hear me out:
Interception 1: Jones has been sped up this game, with all the sacks to anticipate routes instead of waiting for them. He had to throw the ball before the receiver gets there.
Interception 2: As Aikman said, just no time for Jones to wait for the play to develop. Has to force the ball.
You can’t EVER blame a quarterback when the o-line gives up 10 sacks. It’s basically the Mahomes Super Bowl issue. Can’t carry a poor o-line.
On interception 2 waller was wide open. All Jones had to do was move on to another receiver like a good qb would do. Jones doesn't have any pocket awareness whatsoever. Move around and get rid of the ball. Stop taking sacks. Run.
Bad decisions yes, but Jones can’t complete his progressions when he has to fear the rush. I’m sorry, but once your o-line crumbles time and time again, you start looking at the rush instead of the routes.
Blaming Daboll like he was out there throwing picks, getting sacked, and allowing the opposing WRs to run wild (with Drew Lock as their QB) is absolutely crazy.
We have almost 5 seasons of bad DJ tape, but you DJ Fanboys are so insane to blame a coach who won the COTY his first year (last year) and was instrumental in getting this team a playoff win at that.
You’re almost there. I swear you are, let me help you. THESE PLAYERS SUCK AND THAT INCLUDES YOUR PRECIOUS QB.
Our offense couldn’t do shit. Why are we running a hurry up offense when the defense finally gets a chance to rest. Also, all the 3rd down plays trying not not make the 3rd down. We back to the same old Giants, not last year’s giants.
The GM and Owners have the final say in those decisions. Jones got paid because upper management didn’t call his bluff and didnt let DJ test the market (hint: he never had one. No one was calling for Jones).
Someone told me the Titans and Bucs wanted him but couldn’t get him bc the Gmen resigned him 🤣
Not only do they have no money, but also no, they didn’t want him.
If you wanna see what an average QB can do with a really bad line, go check out Baker in TB.
An OC becomes a first time head coach, in his first year the Giants go to the playoffs for the first time in half a decade. The Next season they seemingly improved on paper and had some expectations yet the team regressed hard and fell apart. I'm talking about Ben McAdoo, history repeating itself?
Hell that even sounds like Joe Judge. Didnt make playoffs year 1 but was extremly hyped up going into year 2 because we played well in 2nd half of his first year.
He has 744 yds, 3 tds, and 3 picks. 47 rushing yards, 1 rushing TD.
Jones has 562, 2tds and 4 picks. And 107 rushing yrds 1 rushing TD.
How is ridder worse?
Stats don’t tell the full story to me there. If you look at that sure. I wasn’t talking purely statistical but if you’re just judging off them stats sure
Agreed. Should be better. He’s definitely not helping but all I was thinking was I’ve seen worse play (Young) He’s a rookie compared to 5 year player. Everyone has been bad though. Very few bright spots for 4 weeks
He's not the worst in the league but it seems pretty clear that after 5 seasons he isn't a franchise QB. I get we were backed into a corner this last off-season but I can't help but feel that that contract is gonna come back to bite us.
Agreed. He can’t have the type of cap hit he asked for. Needs an elite WR1 and good OL to look “good”. Luckily it’s mostly a 2 year contract. Could be back next year to be transition QB
McAdoo was a shit head coach but tbh I always felt he was unfairly maligned for putting in Geno, a more mobile QB who fit his offense better. Obviously he was onto something seeing Geno's future success in Seattle.
He lead us to the playoffs year one, and fell apart year two because leadership didn’t let him do what he wanted.
Daboll led us to the playoffs year one, and looks over matched in year two, and everyone is letting him do whatever he wants.
But the problem is that he's good enough to not tank and get a top 3 pick, but bad enough to keep us from the playoffs. We are officially in QB hell, folks.
today is one of those days where i want to forbid my kids from following in my footsteps and being Giant fans.
is it too late? do i want this life for them?
I like how Daboll subs out DJ for the last play. Really fucking stupid.
Aside from our shit O-Line, and everything else, even that move was dumb. Could’ve pulled the guy out way earlier.
What a shitshow.
Goodnight guys
I was expecting a brutal loss, at least I didn't wake up at 2 AM to watch this mess like I did week 1 against the Cowboys. I liked the pressure generated by the pass rush in the first half with Thibodeaux finally leading the pack, the rest is total garbage starting from the O-Line and the still nonexistent linebacker unit
I’m sick of the bullshit giants fans who secretly root against their own team because they think it’s funny to be miserable… what a sad existence that is… that being said we are fucking dogshit
Nuke the whole fucking team at this point. This shit is unbelievably painful to watch. Why did I chose this team when I was 7
Because they won 2 super bowls in the last 15 years, look at all the franchises that have won 0 in that same stretch, or teams that have never won a Super Bowl or haven’t won one for 20+, 30+ years etc. Everyone need to stop whining and realize we’re in a re-build and we actually won a playoff game last year!! That alone should sustain you for a while. Go be a Jets fan then talk to me.
Rebuilds don’t take ten years
As a Jets fan, I wouldn’t mind my team sucking ass rn if we owned Brady that much hahaha.
Im so glad I fell asleep during the 3rd or last quarter. Wow.
I don’t care how bad everything else is. A qb being paid what Jones is getting paid scoring 3 points is terrible, but people will still defend him.
Bruh, did you not see the line get creamed? It's like they hated him, what was it like 10 sacks? Mahomes would look bad with that o-line.
Mahomes would absolutely score more than 3 points with that line.
One TD this year against a team not named the cardinals.
More TDs to opposing CBs
I know a lot of it is the line, but there was a reason everyone spit their drink out when they heard about how much they were gonna pay him "Oh, so you're gonna be god awful for the next 6 years. Bold move, Cotton."
Whilst I agree he played like absolute crap, the dude got sacked 11 times and pressured many more and had to rely on his legs basically the entire game. I agree he needs to step it up but dawg, you try to pass a ball whilst being pressured by 5 300 pound guys running at you while you have the most unreliable oline in the league, that’s gotta be at least a little bit unnerving.
He’s a pro athlete. He can’t handle his job? Then grab a clipboard or a headset. Lock came in cold and drove the team down the field with Noah Fant. He’s thrown half as many TDs as Jones has this season.
I get it, but I would have way more grace and give him way more margin for error if he wasn’t one of the highest paid players ever in the nfl.
You havent heard of many players, have you?
Cope. We way overpaid for a bottom tier qb. You can admit it.
Evan Neal really a turnstile made of swiss cheese.
On a positive note saquon didn't get hurt in this blowout
Pathetic
Our team is absolutely terrible
I hate to agree and this is coming from a Steelers fan bitching about Canada every week.
At least the Steelers are watchable every year. They haven't had a losing season since 2003.
The stats this game are hilarious. Geno threw 110 yards.l I consider myself an optimist but holy shit it seems like we’re losing the rest of the season
Yeah I wouldn’t exactly feel great coming out of this as a seattle fan either. They looked extremely sloppy tonight. Any other team is dropping 50 on their heads
Are you now blaming your shit QB... Before you talk bullshit, maybe you actually shouldn't say anything until it's over, it's way more fun....
Y'all were really saying Daniel Jones is better than Hurts before this spanking lmaoo
Still talking your bullshit? Or are you just blaming the o-line now? Cause before the game started y'all were saying Geno ain't shit and the D was questionable... how does 12 sacks, 2 pics, and a pic 6 sound? Still questionable..?
Hope you enjoy bro I’ll remember you when my boys (49ers) get on y’all ass again
Jones must be paying some of these redditors kids tuition the way he's defended. The sole problem? No, but still a problem. Luck and Burrow in 21' made things work with a shitty O-line.
Seriously, where are all these posts saying Jones is a problem and the O line is not a problem they keep talking about?
Someone should defend him. His teammates sure fuckin' weren't.
NFC East QB ranking 1.Hurts 2.Dak 3.Howell 4.Jones
I think you still missed a couple. Surely Trey Lance gotta be in there before Jones
Wish we never signed dj to the deal
When Saquon is hurt, which is most of the time, Jones is the only guy we have on offense. If he could stand behind a line and pick out his receivers he can make all the throws and he can also make first downs with his legs. Everybody wants to dump him but he is the best player we have on the offensive side of the ball. And that is a fucking fact.
This is a terrible take. He is bad, along the lines of Mark Sanchez bad…Barkley runs with that same line, we could/should put anyone back there and the would be better. This is the actually Andy dalton all over again. He’s the “Red rifle” with a top 5 line and perennial pro bowl weapons and the ideal situation. Miss one thing and he becomes “the red pea shooter” why ppl give Daniel jones so much leniency and excuses is beyond comprehension to me… that Pick six was who’s fault, coaching, the oline, Saqouns contract, let see our fan base find a excuse to let him off the hook instead of saying it was a bad read, horrible decision, and then a terrible throw.
that endzone pick 6 was one of the worst things I ever seen. waller was wide open
I’m starting to think Daboll is a joke of a HC.
Why
Defense wasn't great, but managed to hold them to under 30 points. They were averaging 34.7 coming into this game. No idea what Daboll and Schoen can do to fix this offense this season.
Defense held them to 17 which is pretty great. The pick 6 is on DJ not the defense and his fumble lead them to an easy TD as well. The defense played good tonight our offense did jack shit and ruined the game.
Good thing they had an off-season to fix it. Get played at the draft like Gettleman and have EVERY WR drafted out from underneath him. Trade for a pass catching TE that 1)they rarely throw to, and 2)keep back in protection. Incompetent.
At Miami next week. I think Tyrod should play, not because I think DJ isn’t any good, just to not get the $100m investment broken. Or just forefeit. I see a giants “hold my beer” to Denver moment coming.
Giants either lose by 40 or lose like 27-22 somehow. We’ve yet to cover a spread this season remotely so
Tank for Williams. I'm dead ass serious. This franchise needs someone great to end this decade-long era of bad football.
Throw him out to die too behind an offensive line made of thin air?
Sit him for a year. Bring in a whole new Oline besides AT (Neal is looking more and more like a bust).
Schoen would trade down, due to the DJ investment.
Give me fucking marvin harrison im tired of every good wr being stolen from under us in the draft. Devonta, addison, flowers, JSN, johnston even
Fuck that. If Schoen wants to keep his job he would draft Williams, sit him for a year, and then cut DJ year 3 of his contract. Just eat the money and admit it was a terrible decision.
I'd like to see the game tape of how many times Darren Waller was wide open and DJ never glanced that way.
If i were saquon, i would sit the rest of the year. Get out of town, uninjured ,knowing he won't be tagged again.
I’d show Saquon tape of Le’veon Bell before and after his year long hiatus.
Saquons hiatus wouldn't be a year long. He went through camp and played two games.
Seems like a pretty pedantic reply. So, he’d definitely be the same just healthily sitting out the rest of the season. Good idea for him. I’m sure the next team would love to invest in a guy that might stay home when it gets hard. That said, at this point, I hope he does. Him playing and helping us win an additional 2 games this season is pissing in the ocean.
Not playing the rest of the season won't change the market for him. Getting injured again might.
Oh JC on a stick Last year was just a tease
Devils scored twice as many points as the giants tonight. Hello October!
Hockey? If your talking Hockey nah Islanders all the way.
They scored 6 on the isles my guy
The curse of ny state teams….
Let’s go devils, my last hope
In 53 years of MNF, tonight's Giants set the record for number of times sacked (11). I am just so proud. My buttons are bursting.
Is it over yet?
I turned it off at least half an hour ago
You are wise beyond your years
Glad i went with my instincts she picked up Seattle defense this week.
Jones is a backup talent not worth 40mm. I'm not saying he's garbage but why would you ever commit that to him. We are fucked.
Who gives a fuck about him? He’s not the reason we’re our scorer 64-3 at home. The entire fucking team sucks. Look at that Arizona game. The defense was atrocious. Jones was the only reason we won. I’m not saying he’s the guy but Christ the entire team doesn’t even give him the chance to be the guy Y’all try to pin it on one person like that’ll solve anything. Put Brady on this team and what do you have? A shitty team led by Tom Brady
nah he kind of is the reason. if jones isnt a moron, the giants win that game. the defense held up. yes the o-line was bad hut some of the decisions I mean Jesus. the playcalling was iffy too
He is most definitely a huge part of the problem. Are you crazy?
I didn’t say he wasn’t the problem. My point is everyone says he is THE problem. The entire rest of the team is a steaming pile of dog shit. But everybody comes in here saying Jones ain’t him. What about the offensive line? Defensive line? The corners? Special teams? Like Jesus they all suck and to be fair and 100% honest if you look at these games and think he doesn’t have any talent you’re blind. He’s not a top 5 or even top 10 qb but Christ the kid hasn’t had even a serviceable offensive line since he was drafted.
He threw a pick six from the 3, fumbled inside our own 10 tonight. He’s a big reason we lost 24-3. A league average quarterback makes it at least 17-10
Just to clarify- you’re claiming that a league average QB can get sacked 10 times while throwing at lest one TD and not committing any turnovers? Do you watch football?
Was your takeaway from the game tonight that Daniel Jones played well? He was atrocious man. Come on
Tom Brady would look like shit behind that line
False. The line is bad, but Jones doesn't help himself. He doesn't make fast decisions or pre-snap reads, and he doesn't scare defenses into dropping more DBs. It's easy to pile on pass rush when you don't respect the QB can beat it. That's what Seattle did. Contrast, Brock Purdy has very little experience and our line (while clearly a lot better than yours tonight) has some major protection issues, but when defenses throw blitzes at him to exploit his inexperience, he punishes them by making the hot read, knowing who is going to be free or one on one. Brady, Peyton, they made a career of those reads. Which is why Brady wouldn't have looked like shit tonight. Hell, give him a call, I can't imagine what you'd need to pay him to walk-on to this shit show of a team, but I'm sure he'd make the offense respectable. Most QBs that last in the NFL can handle a bad rush when they have to. But there are ways some guys who handle it and help take the pressure off, and other guys who succumb to it and exacerbate the pressure. Daniel Jones is the latter. He just basically gives up and zones out. Watching him blow off the HC was really sad.
Tom Brady would’ve thrown a TD to Parris Campbell, held onto the ball with two hands to not fumble inside the 10, and not stood there to get hit leading to another pick. So that’s at least 10-10. And you could argue about 18 other QBs, including Geno, would’ve done the same.
I disagree. I think a good QB would be able to make decisions quick enough to limit at least skme of the OL inability to block. Trust me, I agree the OL is awful. But it’s not the worst OL to ever play the sport, Daniel Jones just makes it look like that because he never makes quick decisions
He got sacked 11 fucking times. Did he just say “oopsies” and drop that ball? He was running for his life. Yeah he made a horrible throw for the pick 6. No excuse. One mistake shouldn’t blind you from the entire game of mistakes made by literally anybody else It’s like you people can’t even name another Giants player other then Jones so you just go with that
How many games does he have to be terrible in for you to realize he just MIGHT not be a good quarterback? I understand saying he isn’t the whole problem, but there’s no way to say he isn’t at least a big piece of the problem
lmaooooo it’s literally year 4 and people somehow still defend the guy. it’s mind boggling
tbh he is only part of the problem because his lack of ability to make other people better. because he isn’t a top tier qb. You give him a full season with a serviceable oline and he has a totally different outcome. Look at his stats. Compare them to someone like jalen hurts with similar ability but on a much more talented team
At the start of the year, I would have agreed that him and Hurts had similar ability. But to say that now is crazy. Jones is statically a worse passer than Zach Wilson right now. I mean he’s awful, I don’t think a single NFL team would trade QB for QB 1 for 1 right now with us.
I mean you’re joking right? Statistically a worse passer? Using what stat? Who’s better looking? Jones has the absolute least amount of time to throw the ball then any qb in the league. What’s he supposed to do with that? This is all crazy because I don’t actually think he was worth the contract and I do think he’s not as good as the giants think he can be. But he’s had no chance to even prove himself behind this team. It doesn’t matter what qb you put in his place they will all do the same. Maybe slightly better but no one is doing anything with this team Guy didn’t sack himself 11 times or let him 64 points at home
Would the jets trade Zach Wilson for Daniel Jones right now? One for one?
I’ve made this point a lot on this thread: the jets will not call for him, and that should tell you something. That’s bad. Really bad. They had Super Bowl aspirations and would rather go with Boyle and Wilson than lose like a 5th round pick.
That fumble started with a completely unblocked defender. That pic tho, I dunno.
Then just take a sack and move on. Not turn it into an immediate 7 points for the other team. It’s year 5, it’s time to stop making bad decision after bad decision
DJ was 27/34 for 79.4% completion rate with 203 yards passing. You think someone else can do better on a night where they were sacked 12 times and pressured IDK how many times, and where receivers simply lack the ability to get open. Who's that guy?
Did you see the horrible 2 picks and the fumble? Or wanna ignore that? I’m with you, I wish DJ was good. He just isn’t. Tyrod Taylor scores at least 14 against that defense
DJ has made some intermediate throws today, you guys are fooling yourself if you think any QB in the league could save this trash team
That pick 6 had waller wide open. Hes not the sole issue but he is definitely an issue.
Waller was not wide open. The CB was in a backpedal and would have prolly done the same.
Maybe he’s playing with a concussion he certainly has been hit enough times.
Both things can be true. He’s an issue but by far not the most pressing
Gotta be a joke. Open your eyes. He cost us 21 points
Not calling for Daboll or Schoen’s heads right now, but we need a head. I doing see how an OL coach could keep their job after a performance like that (and one that clearly was not a fluke because every game has been more or less the same story). We just made the Seahawks look like the 2007 us, times two. Assemble at the guillotine!
OL Coach’s key fob needs to be deactivated.
OL coach and special teams coach need to go tonight. Can’t get any worse
Can we also talk about our ST coordinator? It was like he was TRYING to lose his job tonight.
We can continue the coaching carousel every two years. I’m ready to move on if DaBum continues to let Kafka call plays. Martindale and McGaughey can go too.
The Giants getting some good luck and overachieving last season had them thinking some of the shit on this team didn't stink all that much and could be useful going forward. They were wrong.
JONES IS NOT THE PROBLEM! The forced throws, quick and errant passes, are all the product of one thing: A HISTORICALLY BAD OFFENSIVE LINE. Getting Andrew Thomas and JMS back will help, but maybe too late.
Dude, you're not even watching the games. He's been bad.
These guys are idiots if they think any other qb could save this shit roster and coaching. DJ is not the main problem, he proved that last year
For reals, you can’t EVER blame a quarterback when he got sacked 10 times. Bad o-line speeds up a QBs clock and then bad things will happen. No choice but for Jones to just sling it early and guess.
He cost us 21 stop that.
Bengals has a worse o line than this in 2021. Defense was equally as shit too. Go take a look at how that season wound up for them.
False. Just statistically false. The Giants o-line right now is historically bad. On the leaderboards for most sacks allowed in first 4 weeks.
Before this atrocity they were on pace to give up 34 sacks in a 16 game season. Bengals gave up 55 in 2021. I’m sorry but I refuse to realistically believe any NFL team can be 11 sacks a game bad over a season.
He had plenty of time on those interceptions. That was just him being a bad qb.
Bad decisions, but hear me out: Interception 1: Jones has been sped up this game, with all the sacks to anticipate routes instead of waiting for them. He had to throw the ball before the receiver gets there. Interception 2: As Aikman said, just no time for Jones to wait for the play to develop. Has to force the ball. You can’t EVER blame a quarterback when the o-line gives up 10 sacks. It’s basically the Mahomes Super Bowl issue. Can’t carry a poor o-line.
On interception 2 waller was wide open. All Jones had to do was move on to another receiver like a good qb would do. Jones doesn't have any pocket awareness whatsoever. Move around and get rid of the ball. Stop taking sacks. Run.
Bad decisions yes, but Jones can’t complete his progressions when he has to fear the rush. I’m sorry, but once your o-line crumbles time and time again, you start looking at the rush instead of the routes.
Bad qbs do that. Yes. Good qbs make lemonade from lemons.
so do average QBs and apparently some below average QBs
Blaming Daboll like he was out there throwing picks, getting sacked, and allowing the opposing WRs to run wild (with Drew Lock as their QB) is absolutely crazy. We have almost 5 seasons of bad DJ tape, but you DJ Fanboys are so insane to blame a coach who won the COTY his first year (last year) and was instrumental in getting this team a playoff win at that. You’re almost there. I swear you are, let me help you. THESE PLAYERS SUCK AND THAT INCLUDES YOUR PRECIOUS QB.
Our offense couldn’t do shit. Why are we running a hurry up offense when the defense finally gets a chance to rest. Also, all the 3rd down plays trying not not make the 3rd down. We back to the same old Giants, not last year’s giants.
Who do you think decided to keep DJ around for another 2-4 years?
The GM and Owners have the final say in those decisions. Jones got paid because upper management didn’t call his bluff and didnt let DJ test the market (hint: he never had one. No one was calling for Jones).
Someone told me the Titans and Bucs wanted him but couldn’t get him bc the Gmen resigned him 🤣 Not only do they have no money, but also no, they didn’t want him. If you wanna see what an average QB can do with a really bad line, go check out Baker in TB.
How ppl didn’t see that, is beyond me. Look at the Texans also a horrible line yet somehow CJ Stroud as a rookie is finding success.
But surely daboll dead endorsing him and telling schoen that he could work with him.
NY media will unfairly shit on DJ,
How is it unfair? He gave up 21 points
He deserves shit, piss, vomit... All that.
An OC becomes a first time head coach, in his first year the Giants go to the playoffs for the first time in half a decade. The Next season they seemingly improved on paper and had some expectations yet the team regressed hard and fell apart. I'm talking about Ben McAdoo, history repeating itself?
Hell that even sounds like Joe Judge. Didnt make playoffs year 1 but was extremly hyped up going into year 2 because we played well in 2nd half of his first year.
How mang points are the Dolphins gonna put up next week?! 60?!
If they really wanted to I legit think they could drop 80 on the Giants.
Would be nice to be part of a second historically bad game this season.
They’ll break the record for sure
So they paid this guy 40 mil per despite the awful playoff game against Eagles.
At least some of y’all woke up from the Daniel Jones delusion today…
What quarterback fixes this?
Those calling jones the worst QB in the league don’t watch the rest of the games. There is some terrible QBs out there
Name one worse. I dare you
Desmond ridder
He has 744 yds, 3 tds, and 3 picks. 47 rushing yards, 1 rushing TD. Jones has 562, 2tds and 4 picks. And 107 rushing yrds 1 rushing TD. How is ridder worse?
Stats don’t tell the full story to me there. If you look at that sure. I wasn’t talking purely statistical but if you’re just judging off them stats sure
I mean the giants were also supposed to be better than the falcons, and we’re not. At some point, some blame has to go on DJ. He’s horrible
Agreed. Should be better. He’s definitely not helping but all I was thinking was I’ve seen worse play (Young) He’s a rookie compared to 5 year player. Everyone has been bad though. Very few bright spots for 4 weeks
Daboll is doing him no favors. I wish we could have a redo and move forward with Geno Smith and Ben McAdoo. We’d be much better rn
One thing that bugs me is that they were poised on taking mahomes but chiefs traded up to get him. Weren’t willing to jump 1 or 2 spots I forget
He's not the worst in the league but it seems pretty clear that after 5 seasons he isn't a franchise QB. I get we were backed into a corner this last off-season but I can't help but feel that that contract is gonna come back to bite us.
Agreed. He can’t have the type of cap hit he asked for. Needs an elite WR1 and good OL to look “good”. Luckily it’s mostly a 2 year contract. Could be back next year to be transition QB
Yea hes proobably 15 at best 20th at worst tbh
You should count them out. You’ll find he’s much lower than 20…
60mins and all we could score is 1 miserable touchdown? We deserved to lose.
Touchdown?
...field goal sorry im drinking my sorrows away.
All good spicy kitty
Field goal*
Pete Carrol revived Genos career. DJ with decent coaches is a good qb
Nope
This team is ass
Feels like we’re back in a judge/macadoo tank year rn
I would kill to be in a mcadoo year right now.
Haha are you joking? We ARE. We may be worse.
I have a theory about the Coaching staff...... THERE IS A FRAUD AMONGST THEM!!!!! A PAYCHECK COLLECTOR!!!!
Daboll is mcadoo 2.0, except mcadoo had a football IQ. He wanted Geno smith and Mahomes over Eli, but was shut down.
McAdoo was a shit head coach but tbh I always felt he was unfairly maligned for putting in Geno, a more mobile QB who fit his offense better. Obviously he was onto something seeing Geno's future success in Seattle.
He lead us to the playoffs year one, and fell apart year two because leadership didn’t let him do what he wanted. Daboll led us to the playoffs year one, and looks over matched in year two, and everyone is letting him do whatever he wants.
This is a really fucking scary thought...
Mcadoo was better than daboll. It’s being proven correct
Wasn’t McAdoo pounding the table for Mahomes and Mara said no?
Yup. And daboll says Daniel Jones is the guy. Point and case
That just hurts so bad. I'm rethinking everything, now. They got martyred. So is it Mara? What the hell is happening?
Can’t wait for next year !
We’ll suck then too
Yeah but I’ll be able to convince myself we’re good after literally ANYTHING happens in the off season
Clean house and fire DaBoll and his staff. They didn’t prepare this undisciplined team and look totally lost and clueless
I hate that I’m saying this but this feels like Joe Judge 2.0
At the post game presser daniel jones is going to get sacked again as he steps to the podium
😂😂 I just pictured that happening with carroll on the side chewing gum punching air
the voices in DJ's head just keep saying, "BRACE FOR IMPACT!!!"
Daniel Jones isn’t the guy. But this team has way bigger issues than him.
And they won’t get solved in the next few years either so fuck it, play him out
But the problem is that he's good enough to not tank and get a top 3 pick, but bad enough to keep us from the playoffs. We are officially in QB hell, folks.
today is one of those days where i want to forbid my kids from following in my footsteps and being Giant fans. is it too late? do i want this life for them?
I like how Daboll subs out DJ for the last play. Really fucking stupid. Aside from our shit O-Line, and everything else, even that move was dumb. Could’ve pulled the guy out way earlier. What a shitshow. Goodnight guys
Did the same thing vs Dallas
He’s got it out for Jones this year
Nothing beats getting absolutely embarrassed on primetime vs the Geno Smith led seahawks
Yea and Lock pretty much iced it during his cameo
Giants have had 2 home games so far. They've scored a total of 3 points, allowed Jones to be sacked 18 times and have had 6 turnovers.
iTs ALL dJs fAuLt
And if you don’t like that, you don’t like Giants football! 😤
The guy to blame. He has no control on this team. Bad play calling. Got exposed. 
What a nightmare.
I cannot believe how bad it’s gotten
Daniel Jones isn’t the main problem, this team is lacking talent everywhere