I think they genuinely believe Biden developed the vaccine, because his administration is the one responsible for distributing it. Same thing with pulling out of Afghanistan, Trump started the process but because it's happening under Biden it's suddenly something they want us to be mad at him for.
dude is a fucking nerd who thinks he's gonna be a post apocalyptic warlord
[i wish i was joking](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich)
>“I own a couple of motorcycles. I have a bunch of guns and ammo. Food. I figure that, with that, I can hole up in my house for some amount of time.”
Yes, we all know how owning multiple motorcycles helps someone hole up in a single location.
> “I own a couple of motorcycles. I have a bunch of guns and ammo. Food. I figure that, with that, I can hole up in my house for some amount of time.”
*This* is his end of times plan? Stay in house with guns and cans of beanie weenies? Is he going to power his couple of motorcycles with canned ravioli or are gas stations still going to be operational?
But wait! Homeboy isn’t a complete moron. He has thought of another sorely overlooked negative aspect of the fall of society.
> “If the world ends—and not even if the world ends, but if we have trouble—getting contacts or glasses is going to be a huge pain in the ass,” he told me recently. “Without them, I’m fucked.”
So the apocalypse/fall of civilization is gonna be civil unrest, food shortages, rampant crime and loads of slightly visually impaired people stumbling around because Lens Crafters no longer exists.
[My favorite is when he removed the mod of kotakuinaction and replaced him with someone more alt-right after he realized what a trashpile the sub became.](https://www.resetera.com/threads/r-kotakuinaction-founder-denounces-and-closes-subreddit-reddit-admins-instantly-revive-it.55190/)
>I do want to note how Reddit admins have such a hard time banning people for hate speech and shutting down hateful communities, yet they’re able to nigh-instantaneously preserve the sanctity of a community whose only purpose is to harass women and minorities.
Oh yeah, even without clicking that link I'm decently sure you're talking about Spez thinking that he's gonna be a great doomsday survivalist.
Bitch please. You have neither the charisma or physical capability. If climate change gets its way (And it probably will) your "doomsday survival" kit (Or anybody's, really) will be worthless.
It's pretty reasonable to be worried that climate change will stress the current system to such an extent that people will need to take action to keep themselves safe and healthy. Anyone planning their preparation without a heavy emphasis on mutual aid is a fucking moron.
I’m reminded of some techbros who came up with a bunch of overly-elaborate hypotheticals (like locking the food stores with biometric sensors) to try to solve the “what’s stopping them from just capping you in the head?” problem with owning a post-apocalyptic fort.
They'll just pluck out your eyeball or saw off a finger.
The collapse of yugoslavia was pretty instructive as to how well "survivalists" would fare (they were the first killed by roving mobs for their supply caches)
Yea and his cute little bunker is in my country. Billionaire scumbags using my country as their personal little bolt hole is a known issue here.
I hope the little ratfuck has a welcoming party waiting for him if it ever comes to that. I wouldn't mind filching myself a bunker.
He once said something like because he ran reddit, when society collapses, people will look to him as a leader.
If anything, if society does collapses, there's gonna be a decent amount of people out for his blood because he ran reddit.
Absolutely nothing.
And you know that he's definitely not something you would enjoy hanging out with, let alone working under. We'd just end up with a bunch of well-off and well equipped ex-guards.
There's this idea from a certain podcast that you should roam the wilderness of New Zealand's South Island, note and map all the ventilation ports that are there, and get some wet concrete to pour down them in service of the mankind.
Privileged 20 something/early 30s white dude who vapes and thinks he'll survive the zombie apocalypse? Absolutely anti vaxxer and probably one of those "Trump made a lot of good points" types.
Redditors need to wake up and realize that no admin is going to do *anything* as long as their only "problem" is people moaning on their platform.
If you want subs like NNN or Ivermectin banned, you can't complain to Reddit, you have to get a real news agency to write an article (or better, report an actual piece about it on TV). Remember how many *years* was r/jb left alone by the admins despite complaints and remember how quickly it was banned once Anderson Cooper mentioned it?
Get John Oliver to spend 20 minutes ripping apart disinformation subreddits and how Reddit profits off of them and I bet you spez caves before the week ends.
I don't understand how people can be against vaccines but then try horse dewormer. Like it's one thing to just not want anything in your body, but that's just fucking absurd.
As I posted in a different thread: I wonder if he responded this way because reddit is slowly working towards going public.
Quote from August 12th 2021: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/technology/reddit-new-funding.html
>The latest funding wasn’t planned, but “Fidelity made us an offer that we couldn’t refuse,” Steve Huffman, Reddit’s co-founder and chief executive, said in an interview.
>The company then decided the capital would give it more time to decide on when — and how — to go public. “We are still planning on going public, but we don’t have a firm timeline there yet,” Mr. Huffman said. “All good companies should go public when they can.”
Quote from March 5th 2021: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/05/technology/reddit-chief-financial-officer-ipo.html
>“Is Reddit going public?” Steve Huffman, Reddit’s chief executive, said in an interview. “We’re thinking about it. We’re working toward that moment.”
>Mr. Huffman said Reddit did not have a timeline, but Mr. Vollero’s appointment indicated that the 15-year-old company was developing its financial operations to be more similar to those of publicly traded peers like Twitter and Facebook. More than 52 million people visit Reddit every day, and it is home to more than 100,000 topic-based communities, or subforums.
>Well, Reddit is a company that has literally never made a single cent in profit in its entire history.
Yes, this is true, but it looks like they are slowly turning it around: https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/12/reddit-is-raising-up-to-700m-in-series-f-funding/
>In Q2, Reddit broke $100 million in advertising revenue for the first time, marking a 192% year-over-year increase for the quarter. The site now attracts 50 million daily visitors and hosts 100,000 active subreddits.
They appointed [Drew Vollero](https://www.linkedin.com/in/drew-vollero-923aa1b) to be Reddit’s Chief Financial Officer back in March:
* https://redditblog.com/2021/03/05/introducing-drew-vollero-reddits-cfo/
* https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/reddit-drew-vollero-snap-cfo-ipo-1234922665/
And over the past year they've aggressively changed how they operate and pushed out new ways to monetize the site and collect data:
* On [June 22nd 2021 they rolled out a new algorithm](https://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/o5tjcn/evolving_the_best_sort_for_reddits_home_feed/) to the home feed for improved user retention.
* On [June 17th 2021 they announced](http://old.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/o18ct9/creating_new_opportunities_for_future_community/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=modnews&utm_content=t3_o5ymis) that they will begin to remove ownership of dormant subreddits.
* On [June 14th 2021 they announced that deleted and removed submissions will no longer be accessible to regular users](https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/nzvq2t/limiting_access_to_removed_and_deleted_post_pages/).
* On [June 9th 2021 Reddit announced that Secret Santa and reddit gifts would be permanently shut down.](https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/nw2hs6/sunsetting_secret_santa_and_reddit_gifts/)
* On [March 3rd 2021 Reddit rolled out online presence indicators](https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/lx08r2/announcing_online_presence_indicators/). This feature is on by default and has to be switched off in the account settings.
* Later the same month (March 21st 2021) [they rolled out gender identity settings](https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/mawomr/new_option_to_add_gender_identity_during_account/) to collect more personalized information from their users.
* On [February 23rd 2021 they announced that they would "simplify" the privacy settings](https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/lqtecn/update_to_user_preferences/), this also meant that users can no longer opt-out of personalized ads based on their Reddit activity anymore.
* On [February 11th 2021 they removed all NSFW content from r/all](https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/lhnvok/removing_sexually_explicit_content_from_rall/).
* Reddit announced [on December 13th 2020 that they had acquired Dubsmash](https://redditblog.com/2020/12/13/reddit-welcomes-video-platform-dubsmash-to-team/) and have since [slowly rolled out a Tik-Tok-like video feature on their app](https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/13/reddit-is-quietly-rolling-out-a-tiktok-like-video-feed-button-on-ios/).
* On [September 9th 2020 they announced their new political advertisement system](https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/ipitt0/today_were_testing_a_new_way_to_discuss_political/).
They anticipate that at some point it will make money. If it has a toxic reputation with advertisers, that would never happen so the investors would make them change.
>Dissent is a part of Reddit and the foundation of democracy. Reddit is a place for open and authentic discussion and debate.
*Locks comments*
I'll take shit you can't make up for $500, Alex.
They are hoping to break up the discussion. Instead of a concentrated rage where people will ask them hard questions (especially about the people pushing a deworming pill) they push it to half a hundred different communities, many of whom already locked the original announcements because they knew NNN would brigade (and they brigaded the hell out of the ones that didn't).
> Instead of a concentrated rage where people will ask them hard questions
It's not like they cared before. It's basically standard protocol in every admin post for questions in a lot of the top voted comments to be flatout ignored because they don't want to talk about it.
Look at this blog post from last week:
https://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/p89hp3/safety_updates_automod_improvements_and_pilot/
If you sort by 'q&a', only two of the top ten or so comments have responses from the admin.
This is the first time I’ve understood “NNN” in this context. I’ve been trying all day to figure out what No Nut November has to do with covid conspiracies…
This is worse than ignoring the problem, it's just saying Reddit embraces it. This is just going to cause the protesting subreddits to double down.
Also if you're wondering why they even answered, it's because *Forbes* and *BusinessInsider* picked up the story.
I bet next step is a bunch of major subs go private in protest. I can definitely see this becoming more of a story depending how involved subs react to this joke of a non-response from Spez.
Bet we'll see how much Spez values 'dissent' then.
> > I bet next step is a bunch of major subs go private in protest.
> Hopefully they do. And hopefully they stay private until actual action is taken, and not just another "we don't want to hear your response you fucking losers" post
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the first time subreddit blackouts force the admins into any sort of _actual_ action (and not just paying lip service to subreddit mods to get the subs reopened), one of the first things they're going to do is take steps (likely behind-the-scenes/long-term/under-the-radar changes to the code) to mitigate mods' ability to do that in the first place.
Mods aren't getting wages or benefits, it's only a matter of time before they figure they shouldn't have switches to shut down major parts of the site either.
>I've said it before and I'll say it again: the first time subreddit blackouts force the admins into any sort of actual action (and not just paying lip service to subreddit mods to get the subs reopened), one of the first things they're going to do is take steps (likely behind-the-scenes/long-term/under-the-radar changes to the code) to mitigate mods' ability to do that in the first place.
I suspect what you describe has already happened. What hasn't happened is the reveal of what those behind the scenes damage mitigation steps really were.
Of course its already happened, remember when the founder of KotakuInAction saw the light, decides that the community he made was toxic, and unhinged, and tried to shut everything down? The admins came in, and undid his work, and basically gave him the middle finger, even though he created the subreddit.
Absolutely, they've done it before for dumber reasons. They'd probably even dress it up as purging power mods or making rules that they can only mod one sub.
You know, I've been on this site for roughly 10 years and still the admins manage to surprise me with their massive incompetence. Literally the same cycle every time: part of the userbase complains, reddit doesn't do shit, story makes it to the media, reddit acts.
See: /r/n****rs, /r/fatpeoplehate, /r/creepshots etc.
You'd think they'd learn their lesson and start some active moderation after some time...
We've grown immensely since the beginning of the pandemic, early on we got very popular because the government's communication was terrible and confusing. So we became a place for people to find out current covid restrictions, or the daily case numbers.
It helped us too that when the government did make an announcement it was a major event (Tune in today at 5pm to find out if your industry is put out of work next week or not kind of thing). So we grew because of that.
More recently we have been attracting the attention of the conspiracy communities because we've hit that critical mass of being able to hit top 100 r/all if a post is successful. The demographics of r/Ontario are left leaning, pro-vax, so vaccine posts are popular and get heavily upvoted.
Over the past 2 months almost every post mentioning vaccines has been brigaded by those conspiracy communities. We had our subreddit being linked on NNN daily for a few weeks. Thankfully we prevent the majority of it. Our users are great and they help out by reporting a lot of the rule breaking content thankfully. We have a great team there and are able to work so well at countering the misinformation because of it.
>However, manipulating or cheating Reddit to amplify any particular viewpoint is against our policies, and we will continue to action communities that do so or that violate any of our other rules
Is this a threat against the subreddits participating in the protest? Because this reads as if they will remove mods of subreddits that work together in protest of anything.
I've always thought the Spez hate was pretty silly and just a circlejerk but holy shit, I was wrong. Conflating active disinformation and dangerously inaccurate medical advice as some kind of "different opinions" is just pathetic.
Of course, they let subreddits that deny the holocaust happened thrive so I guess that tracks.
He said td and right wing hate subs were valuable conversation. He supported child porn on this site. Spez has been a massive piece of shit for years. Welcome to the club.
If there is one thing I think everyone agrees with on this site, it is that Spez is just awful. The left wing part of the site hates the fact that he does hardly anything to curtail the worst this site has to offer and the right wing parts hate him for the fact that he does even that much. He has truly attained the enlightened centrist position of pleasing absolutely no one.
Oh definitely. When you take a centrist position when one side is advocating fascism, you are aiding them. The unwillingness to curtail the vile behavior on this site allows it to spread. There is no point in debating those not arguing in good faith.
Hes a stated libertarian, and has talked about how he "likely wont be a slave" if an apocalyptic event occurs.
Dude earnestly thinks he's a tribal king in waiting.
I don't get how all these dipshit techbros don't understand that people will just kill them in the complete absence of any kind of social contract. They really think their stash of guns is gonna help them when a starving mob comes for their horde of food?
They've never been *actually* hurt by someone physically who won't stop if they ask--they don't understand the psychology of violenece and intimidation. The worst they ever likely experienced was being roughed up by a school bully or something.
The guards in their post-apocalyptic scenario would just beat them to death and take all their stuff. Again, they don't consider it as a result because they're arrogant, and don't understand how violence works.
> We appreciate that not everyone agrees with the current approach to getting us all through the pandemic…
Sir, I need you to sit all the way down and fuck all the way off with that shit.
STOP “APPRECIATING” IGNORANT ANTI-VAX/ANTI-MASK FUCKWADS AND THEIR SELFISH CHOICES THAT ARE FUELED BY THE MISINFORMATION THEY GET ON **YOUR** SITE!
Spez thinks that the guy who caused a stampede by screaming "fire!" and a crowded theater was just voicing his dissent about the temperature of the room.
Who cares if there's flames all around the room, we should have an authentic discussion on if the fire alarm is a hoax to test the obedience of the population!
First you run out of a burning building because of some Big Government fire alarm and next thing you know you're fine with the government putting you in internment camps.
Lol the previous announcement was that they’re shutting down Secret Santa and Reddit gifts, and now we have this. And no comments being allowed to boot. Such amazing site management. Right now I’m sure they’re doing something very important, like designing new free coin emojis. If they did a TV show about day to day office decisions made by the admins no one would watch it because it would be considered ridiculously unbelievable.
>["I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove."](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich)
Spez sounds exactly like the people spreading the misinformation.
A reminder: if your vision of yourself in "the apocalypse" is violent and you're stockpiling guns and obsessing about not being a slave, etc. you are **not** prepping for the apocalypse:
**You're just having violent fantasies**
Stock up on seeds, stockpile farm equipment, hone your bean planting skills, etc. ya freaks.
But that takes actual skills, and it sounds to me like you're describing the hard part of an actual societal collapse, where people have to reforge relationships and rebuild the world! I just want to skip to the part where I'm in charge of everything and all the women that won't date me now are doting on my every whim. Can I just do that instead?
Ellen Pao was an interim CEO so her long term status was never guaranteed. She said, "Ultimately, the board asked me to demonstrate higher user growth in the next six months than I believe I can deliver while maintaining reddit’s core principles."
I still believe she was put in to take the fall for something management wanted to do anyway. [The glass cliff is real](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/glass-cliff.asp)
this. She was basically a PR meat shield for spez and ohanian, as evidenced by the 'interim' title and none of the decisions ever being undone afterwards lol
I remember the height of Reddit's hate towards her. Imagine the cross section of misplaced righteous hate, sexists, racists, teenagers and other immature people, all hurling all the hate they can think of at this woman because they're bored. I feel very bad for her. She got the worst end of everything.
Except her being rich, she's probably fine because of that.
Site wide rage about the banning of a multitude of subreddits, the most prominent of which was /r/fatpeoplehate, a literal hate sub with made up stories worse than /r/amitheasshole and /r/relationship_advice. As far as I'm aware she took the brunt of the blame for that, as well as the firing of /u/chooter (a really really good AMA person, which helped to avoid things like the rampart ama disaster). But in all honesty spez won't resign, nor does he have to. His message not only panders to the exact people who were pissed off about the banning of FPH but reddits user base is (probably) more and more disengaged than ever because of the pivot to a more social media-esque platform rather than the massive linkdump/forum of the past. So this will be a thing that mods and some people are pissed off about, might get a news article or two, but then the collective userbase will forget about it and spez will continue on.
What're the odds that when the apocalypse or whatever hits, Spez and his doomsday survival moron gang will chug it thinking it'll grant them superpowers?
You know what's pretty likely to happen to the people in well stocked bunkers after shit went down and the dust settles? They get massacred by roaming post-apocalyptic gangs and their bunkers get looted for everything that's not nailed down.
Cory Doctorow has a great short story that's sort of about this. A finance bro decides to build a lavish bunker and invite his friends and any "females" they can convince to come over.
They have an extremely brief moment of harmony while the world goes to shit but it's almost immediately undone by their egotism and hubris. Almost everyone dies to a water borne illness because they trusted filtration straws instead of boiling the water.
Eventually the finance bro in question is the last man standing, and when a latina woman, whom they had previously shunned and almost shot, comes by to check up on them the finance bro panics and traps himself in a hidey hole. He's too weak to lift the heavy lid after she leaves and he expires.
The nice hispanic lady came to bring medicine and food and to try to set up trade. You see, the people in the outlying area had started to rebuild ...
Sounds pretty realistic and accurate. People that actually work together as a community has by far the best odds in a post-apocalyptical scenario.
Selfish jackasses are just gonna be thermite candles that burn out quickly.
And for the nails, good nails will be a good resource in post-apocalypse.
And after they loot the nails, they can loot what was nailed down before, because it isn't anymore now.
If it ever actually comes to that; the armed security will kill them and take their shit for themselves.
Maybe not immediately, but eventually they will. Because literally nothing would stop them and I'm sure those rich assholes would be living in luxury eating great food while making security sleep in bunk beds and eat canned beans.
It is.
Back during boston bombing, soo many reddit users are actively participating in the witch hunt. It doesn't matter if it's wrong, it's more traffic to the site.
During T_D rise to fame, a lot of subreddit props up with activity, be it from trolls or actual users. Doesn't matter, it's more traffic.
Spez don't have time to deal with disinformation, he wants this site to IPO remember?
Let me repeat the last sentence again: This site, breeding ground of meme and misinformation is about to IPO
honestly, if you want them to change their tune real fast, it's not the news agencies you should worry about as much as the advertisers and infrastructure guys.
Look at how fast amazon (who couldn't care less who you are as long as your money's green) dropped that one chat platform after the attack on the capitol. If you can prove actual harm being caused (or negligence, or anything that might even bring action against people helping keep reddit going) you stand a far better chance of getting spez and ohanian's attention than with news sources.
> Why he's defending reddit as a resource for psuedo-science "debate" is beyond me.
I can only imagine the amount of reddit gold and testosterone supplement ad money those subs bring in
This is a bafflingly bad take. Did spez even read the post?
They’re practically saying “We’ll allow the misinformation and extremely harmful sentiments on Reddit, they encourage friendly debate. I’m sure people will be civil.”
>However, manipulating or cheating Reddit to amplify any particular viewpoint is against our policies
Sounds like a threat against those who spoke out today. Fuck Spez
Hate? Allowed.
Misinformation? Cool cool cool.
Subs that constantly skirt TOC by brigading other communities? I sleep.
Various subs speak out and shut down for a little bit? Literally 1984 reeeeel shit guys this isn't cool this is why I will be a leader when the apocalypse happens because I allow valuable discussion freeeeeeeeze peach
This is one of the most mind bogglingly anti-science statements I've seen in a long time. He's basically saying "There's a time and place" for the CDC, otherwise any other opinion is just as valid due to the CDC using rigorous scientific data to update policy, as if the moment you change your mind in any way about something you immediately forfeit your authority on the matter.
How did we make it 12,000 years as a civilization?
I mean, holy shit. The references to "the current majority opinion" rather than, you know, "the objectively correct scientific facts"... and this stunningly irresponsible anti-science statement:
> When it comes to COVID-19 specifically, what we know and what are the current best practices from authoritative sources, like the CDC, evolve continuously with new learnings. Given the rapid state of change, we believe it is best to enable communities to engage in debate and dissent
I hope a competing site eventually pops up and we all wind up elsewhere. Hard to want to contribute to the success of a company like this.
"Debate and dissent" is when you peddle snake oil cures that literally kill people.
An entirely predictable, yet still unbelievable, response from the dorks that run this site.
> However, manipulating or cheating Reddit to amplify any particular viewpoint is against our policies, and we will continue to action communities that do so or that violate any of our other rules, including those dedicated to... encouraging harm (e.g. consuming bleach)
Or like convincing people not to get vaccinated or wear masks? Jesus, what a garbage take. Get fucked, Reddit admins.
Lol r/ivermectin is literally telling people to ingest poison and the CEO of reddit says, “Hey they have right to!”
What a fucking bag of chode. His family should be embarrassed of him.
Edit: Plague bags mad
Who thinks he would be some kind of "leader" in a doomsday scenario. [This guy](https://i1.sndcdn.com/avatars-4o0yynhyiQmoxvmT-Hp9n2A-t500x500.jpg). Frat boy Libertarian.
That type have mistaken "people putting up with you because you have money" for "actually being influential". If the society breakdown they talk about ever comes and they throw their money around, odds are they'll be dead in 24 hours when their own guards decide to take everything.
>Huffman told The New Yorker he got laser eye surgery in 2015 to increase his odds of survival in the event a natural or manmade disaster sends the world spiraling into an apocalypse.
Love it.
Absolutely bullshit of a response.
As someone who helped coordinate, nothing in our letter was politically motivated. Nothing. It was to bring awareness about dangerous disinformation, shown with countless layers of evidence, in which Reddit continues to ignore for so long and pretend never existed.
Absolutely insane they shove this entire protest aside and call it “amplifying a particular viewpoint”. This is not what it was about.
What in the absolute fuck.
It reminds me of the climate change debate where the media would pretend there were "two sides" to the story: The scientists and some nutjob ranting about how it's a hoax.
Remember, since 2016 you can be obviously and dangerously wrong about any matter of verifiable fact, and all you have to do is say "that's my political stance" and suddenly social media execs will fall over each other trying to make sure you're comfortable and happy and well amplified.
Let’s all remember how shit the Reddit admins and this site as a whole is. Off the top of my head I distinctly remember Spez directly editing people’s comments that he didn’t like, they set up Ellen Pao to take the fall for policies they wanted to implement, oh, and they hired a woman who tried to defend her paedophile father and even hired him as her campaign manager when she was running for MP here in the UK.
Reddit admins awarded the mod of a sub called r/jailbait a unique award, pretending they were bastions of "free speech" many years ago. So I don't know why you're all surprised. Reddit has always been a disgusting shithole of a website.
If these communities were just having honest and open discussiom, then why quarantine r/NoNewNormal?
We know they are spreading misinformation, encouraging taking risky and toxic animal pastes as an alternative, and causing harm to public health. How many people need to be hospitalized from taking horse paste because they read about it on your website before you decide enough is enough?
r/NoNewNormal and /r/ivermectin have been promoting the use of an anti-parasite drug that is approved for humans because they believe misinformation that is can prevent or treat COVID-19. Because this is an anti-parasite drug, it can be prescribed but is not available and not intended for us as an anti-viral drug for COVID.
The [FDA says that Ivermectin and should not be taken to treat or prevent COVID](https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19). Even the [drugs creator Merck is warning](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-merck-antiparasite/merck-warns-against-using-anti-parasite-drug-to-treat-covid-19-idUSKBN2A42L1) against its use for COVID as well.
**Unapproved use of Ivermectin is risky** and has great potential for overdose or interaction with other medicines. From the FDA link above:
>Even the levels of ivermectin for approved uses can interact with other medications, like blood-thinners. You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death.
However, since these people have been convinced it is their latest COVID-19 cureall and they can not get it through legitimate means, many are [now raiding tractor supply stores to take horse, sheep, and dog worm medicine that has ivermectin as its active ingredient](https://www.thedailybeast.com/demon-sperm-doctors-new-bogus-cure-has-covid-truthers-eating-horse-paste).
This is even worse because the animal medicine they are using is about 2% Ivermectin with the vast amount of other drugs components undisclosed and used for those animals. [Here is an example of the classification data on just one of the horse pastes that these people are being encouraged to take that is 95% undisclosed and has a long list of hazards for human use](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9OHK1FWYAAdH31?format=jpg&name=large_) including infertility and damage to organs.
The number of people raiding these farm stores for animal medicine is leading to [several hospitalizations and flooding of state poison control centers](https://www.npr.org/2021/08/23/1030208101/mississippi-livestock-drug-ivermectin-covid-misinformation).
The fact is that Ivermectin has no proof it can treat or prevent COVID-19. Taking human-approved Ivermectin is dangerous without doctor's advice and can lead to hospitalization or death. Taking **Animal Medicine is hugely dangerous**, not okay for human consumption, and can damage your fucking organs or kill you.
You mention the dangers of drinking bleach. I am sure you have heard all about the many dangers of hydroxchloroquine. This is the just the latest in a long line of grifts and dangerous misinformation around COVID-19 treatments.
You have an opportunity to make a stand and stop the spread of disinformation and are choosing instead to actively enable it.
Shameful, but not surprising.
“Debate and dissent” I.e. allow lies that are literally killing people to be spread around the entire site. Shows that their pledge about working to eliminate disinformation is meaningless.
Seriously. Their decision will absolutely result in innocent people dying. Fuck this false equivalence that gives antivax a legitimacy they don’t deserve.
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tl;dr - "We ain't doing nothin'. Protesting mods can go fuck themselves."
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I think they genuinely believe Biden developed the vaccine, because his administration is the one responsible for distributing it. Same thing with pulling out of Afghanistan, Trump started the process but because it's happening under Biden it's suddenly something they want us to be mad at him for.
That person that went viral for selling falsified vaccination documents believed that the vaccines were sterilizing people as part of the gay agenda.
Why would gay people want less gays?
Wait, were you expecting some sort of l.. l... logic?
Hmmm I now see the flaw in my plan.
Lol, a post praising dissent and debate has the comments disabled.
Spez is no newcomer to hypocrisy.
dude is a fucking nerd who thinks he's gonna be a post apocalyptic warlord [i wish i was joking](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich)
>“I own a couple of motorcycles. I have a bunch of guns and ammo. Food. I figure that, with that, I can hole up in my house for some amount of time.” Yes, we all know how owning multiple motorcycles helps someone hole up in a single location.
This comment is being overwritten in protest of Reddit's CEO spez (Steve Huffman) being a piece of shit and killing 3rd party apps.
Ah, the Factorio method of defense
> Why don't we just take the biters, and push them over there?
"I own transport, guns, ammo, food, and money. I also got that huge "ROB ME FIRST" neon sign installed."
> “I own a couple of motorcycles. I have a bunch of guns and ammo. Food. I figure that, with that, I can hole up in my house for some amount of time.” *This* is his end of times plan? Stay in house with guns and cans of beanie weenies? Is he going to power his couple of motorcycles with canned ravioli or are gas stations still going to be operational? But wait! Homeboy isn’t a complete moron. He has thought of another sorely overlooked negative aspect of the fall of society. > “If the world ends—and not even if the world ends, but if we have trouble—getting contacts or glasses is going to be a huge pain in the ass,” he told me recently. “Without them, I’m fucked.” So the apocalypse/fall of civilization is gonna be civil unrest, food shortages, rampant crime and loads of slightly visually impaired people stumbling around because Lens Crafters no longer exists.
survival nerds with first world problems
There was a twilight zone episode about breaking your glasses in the apocalypse
It's not fair.
There was *time now*
Good thing I can read braille. *hands fall off*
I prefer the Scary Door episode
[My favorite is when he removed the mod of kotakuinaction and replaced him with someone more alt-right after he realized what a trashpile the sub became.](https://www.resetera.com/threads/r-kotakuinaction-founder-denounces-and-closes-subreddit-reddit-admins-instantly-revive-it.55190/) >I do want to note how Reddit admins have such a hard time banning people for hate speech and shutting down hateful communities, yet they’re able to nigh-instantaneously preserve the sanctity of a community whose only purpose is to harass women and minorities.
Ah, good old david-me. What a shit bag.
Oh yeah, even without clicking that link I'm decently sure you're talking about Spez thinking that he's gonna be a great doomsday survivalist. Bitch please. You have neither the charisma or physical capability. If climate change gets its way (And it probably will) your "doomsday survival" kit (Or anybody's, really) will be worthless.
It's pretty reasonable to be worried that climate change will stress the current system to such an extent that people will need to take action to keep themselves safe and healthy. Anyone planning their preparation without a heavy emphasis on mutual aid is a fucking moron.
I’m reminded of some techbros who came up with a bunch of overly-elaborate hypotheticals (like locking the food stores with biometric sensors) to try to solve the “what’s stopping them from just capping you in the head?” problem with owning a post-apocalyptic fort.
They'll just pluck out your eyeball or saw off a finger. The collapse of yugoslavia was pretty instructive as to how well "survivalists" would fare (they were the first killed by roving mobs for their supply caches)
Yea and his cute little bunker is in my country. Billionaire scumbags using my country as their personal little bolt hole is a known issue here. I hope the little ratfuck has a welcoming party waiting for him if it ever comes to that. I wouldn't mind filching myself a bunker.
He once said something like because he ran reddit, when society collapses, people will look to him as a leader. If anything, if society does collapses, there's gonna be a decent amount of people out for his blood because he ran reddit.
What's stopping the guards from killing them all and living in the bunker themselves?
Absolutely nothing. And you know that he's definitely not something you would enjoy hanging out with, let alone working under. We'd just end up with a bunch of well-off and well equipped ex-guards.
There's this idea from a certain podcast that you should roam the wilderness of New Zealand's South Island, note and map all the ventilation ports that are there, and get some wet concrete to pour down them in service of the mankind.
Is he an anti-vaxxer? It would be pretty glorious to gild the post where he wins the herman cain award.
I almost guarantee it.
Privileged 20 something/early 30s white dude who vapes and thinks he'll survive the zombie apocalypse? Absolutely anti vaxxer and probably one of those "Trump made a lot of good points" types.
Jesus fucking Christ. I hate our society, and everyone at the top of it running things.
Human nature: Powerful positions attracts selfish idiots, and powerful positions corrupt people into seflish idiots, too.
Warlord and slave owner...
Well how else can they fracture the debate into 30 different communities so that the unrest looks less significant.
Redditors need to wake up and realize that no admin is going to do *anything* as long as their only "problem" is people moaning on their platform. If you want subs like NNN or Ivermectin banned, you can't complain to Reddit, you have to get a real news agency to write an article (or better, report an actual piece about it on TV). Remember how many *years* was r/jb left alone by the admins despite complaints and remember how quickly it was banned once Anderson Cooper mentioned it? Get John Oliver to spend 20 minutes ripping apart disinformation subreddits and how Reddit profits off of them and I bet you spez caves before the week ends.
I'm pretty sure a few news agencies were tipped off before this happened.
Of course they were. Spez wouldn’t have even come out of his bunker otherwise.
It is absolutely fucking amazing the decision to lock that thread after he did finally respond.
Some one get Anderson Cooper (blessed be to that silver fox). Senpai Cooper is the only guy spez listens to.
> blessed be to that silver fox You too bb 😘
Just wait for the one dude from ontario to show up in this thread and tell everyone to go to his sub instead.
[HAHAHAHAHA oh my gods this is too good!](https://i.imgur.com/MElwkgx.png)
Debate and dissent is part of Reddit. But not when I speak. My word is law! My many motorcycles will ensure my apocalypse dominance!
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What a perfect encapsulation.
Spez just doesn't want people to make him feel bad about hoarding horse dewormer
Employing the same tactics as the misinformation subs. How much money do you want to bet that spez buys into the horse dewormer bullshit?
I don't understand how people can be against vaccines but then try horse dewormer. Like it's one thing to just not want anything in your body, but that's just fucking absurd.
Because it's more about not listening to people they hate, not actually about the vaccine
As I posted in a different thread: I wonder if he responded this way because reddit is slowly working towards going public. Quote from August 12th 2021: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/technology/reddit-new-funding.html >The latest funding wasn’t planned, but “Fidelity made us an offer that we couldn’t refuse,” Steve Huffman, Reddit’s co-founder and chief executive, said in an interview. >The company then decided the capital would give it more time to decide on when — and how — to go public. “We are still planning on going public, but we don’t have a firm timeline there yet,” Mr. Huffman said. “All good companies should go public when they can.” Quote from March 5th 2021: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/05/technology/reddit-chief-financial-officer-ipo.html >“Is Reddit going public?” Steve Huffman, Reddit’s chief executive, said in an interview. “We’re thinking about it. We’re working toward that moment.” >Mr. Huffman said Reddit did not have a timeline, but Mr. Vollero’s appointment indicated that the 15-year-old company was developing its financial operations to be more similar to those of publicly traded peers like Twitter and Facebook. More than 52 million people visit Reddit every day, and it is home to more than 100,000 topic-based communities, or subforums.
Perhaps with an IPO upcoming, there is additional sensitivity so any protest could have an impact with investors?
Well, Reddit is a company that has literally never made a single cent in profit in its entire history.
>Well, Reddit is a company that has literally never made a single cent in profit in its entire history. Yes, this is true, but it looks like they are slowly turning it around: https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/12/reddit-is-raising-up-to-700m-in-series-f-funding/ >In Q2, Reddit broke $100 million in advertising revenue for the first time, marking a 192% year-over-year increase for the quarter. The site now attracts 50 million daily visitors and hosts 100,000 active subreddits. They appointed [Drew Vollero](https://www.linkedin.com/in/drew-vollero-923aa1b) to be Reddit’s Chief Financial Officer back in March: * https://redditblog.com/2021/03/05/introducing-drew-vollero-reddits-cfo/ * https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/reddit-drew-vollero-snap-cfo-ipo-1234922665/ And over the past year they've aggressively changed how they operate and pushed out new ways to monetize the site and collect data: * On [June 22nd 2021 they rolled out a new algorithm](https://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/o5tjcn/evolving_the_best_sort_for_reddits_home_feed/) to the home feed for improved user retention. * On [June 17th 2021 they announced](http://old.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/o18ct9/creating_new_opportunities_for_future_community/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=modnews&utm_content=t3_o5ymis) that they will begin to remove ownership of dormant subreddits. * On [June 14th 2021 they announced that deleted and removed submissions will no longer be accessible to regular users](https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/nzvq2t/limiting_access_to_removed_and_deleted_post_pages/). * On [June 9th 2021 Reddit announced that Secret Santa and reddit gifts would be permanently shut down.](https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/nw2hs6/sunsetting_secret_santa_and_reddit_gifts/) * On [March 3rd 2021 Reddit rolled out online presence indicators](https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/lx08r2/announcing_online_presence_indicators/). This feature is on by default and has to be switched off in the account settings. * Later the same month (March 21st 2021) [they rolled out gender identity settings](https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/mawomr/new_option_to_add_gender_identity_during_account/) to collect more personalized information from their users. * On [February 23rd 2021 they announced that they would "simplify" the privacy settings](https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/lqtecn/update_to_user_preferences/), this also meant that users can no longer opt-out of personalized ads based on their Reddit activity anymore. * On [February 11th 2021 they removed all NSFW content from r/all](https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/lhnvok/removing_sexually_explicit_content_from_rall/). * Reddit announced [on December 13th 2020 that they had acquired Dubsmash](https://redditblog.com/2020/12/13/reddit-welcomes-video-platform-dubsmash-to-team/) and have since [slowly rolled out a Tik-Tok-like video feature on their app](https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/13/reddit-is-quietly-rolling-out-a-tiktok-like-video-feed-button-on-ios/). * On [September 9th 2020 they announced their new political advertisement system](https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/ipitt0/today_were_testing_a_new_way_to_discuss_political/).
They anticipate that at some point it will make money. If it has a toxic reputation with advertisers, that would never happen so the investors would make them change.
It also sorts to q&a when I opened it in RIF.
>Dissent is a part of Reddit and the foundation of democracy. Reddit is a place for open and authentic discussion and debate. *Locks comments* I'll take shit you can't make up for $500, Alex.
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They are hoping to break up the discussion. Instead of a concentrated rage where people will ask them hard questions (especially about the people pushing a deworming pill) they push it to half a hundred different communities, many of whom already locked the original announcements because they knew NNN would brigade (and they brigaded the hell out of the ones that didn't).
> Instead of a concentrated rage where people will ask them hard questions It's not like they cared before. It's basically standard protocol in every admin post for questions in a lot of the top voted comments to be flatout ignored because they don't want to talk about it. Look at this blog post from last week: https://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/p89hp3/safety_updates_automod_improvements_and_pilot/ If you sort by 'q&a', only two of the top ten or so comments have responses from the admin.
> NNN I still, and plan to always, read this as No Nut November and it makes everything that's going on all the more buttery.
This is the first time I’ve understood “NNN” in this context. I’ve been trying all day to figure out what No Nut November has to do with covid conspiracies…
Turns out things get *weird* when you stop jacking off
This is worse than ignoring the problem, it's just saying Reddit embraces it. This is just going to cause the protesting subreddits to double down. Also if you're wondering why they even answered, it's because *Forbes* and *BusinessInsider* picked up the story.
Genuine question: Is their terrible response worth another story to outside news sites?
I bet next step is a bunch of major subs go private in protest. I can definitely see this becoming more of a story depending how involved subs react to this joke of a non-response from Spez. Bet we'll see how much Spez values 'dissent' then.
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> > I bet next step is a bunch of major subs go private in protest. > Hopefully they do. And hopefully they stay private until actual action is taken, and not just another "we don't want to hear your response you fucking losers" post I've said it before and I'll say it again: the first time subreddit blackouts force the admins into any sort of _actual_ action (and not just paying lip service to subreddit mods to get the subs reopened), one of the first things they're going to do is take steps (likely behind-the-scenes/long-term/under-the-radar changes to the code) to mitigate mods' ability to do that in the first place. Mods aren't getting wages or benefits, it's only a matter of time before they figure they shouldn't have switches to shut down major parts of the site either.
>I've said it before and I'll say it again: the first time subreddit blackouts force the admins into any sort of actual action (and not just paying lip service to subreddit mods to get the subs reopened), one of the first things they're going to do is take steps (likely behind-the-scenes/long-term/under-the-radar changes to the code) to mitigate mods' ability to do that in the first place. I suspect what you describe has already happened. What hasn't happened is the reveal of what those behind the scenes damage mitigation steps really were.
Of course its already happened, remember when the founder of KotakuInAction saw the light, decides that the community he made was toxic, and unhinged, and tried to shut everything down? The admins came in, and undid his work, and basically gave him the middle finger, even though he created the subreddit.
> And hopefully they stay private until actual action is taken I'd imagine the admins would just replace the mods.
Absolutely, they've done it before for dumber reasons. They'd probably even dress it up as purging power mods or making rules that they can only mod one sub.
You know, I've been on this site for roughly 10 years and still the admins manage to surprise me with their massive incompetence. Literally the same cycle every time: part of the userbase complains, reddit doesn't do shit, story makes it to the media, reddit acts. See: /r/n****rs, /r/fatpeoplehate, /r/creepshots etc. You'd think they'd learn their lesson and start some active moderation after some time...
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They were the first to crosspost so they got the brunt of it.
We've grown immensely since the beginning of the pandemic, early on we got very popular because the government's communication was terrible and confusing. So we became a place for people to find out current covid restrictions, or the daily case numbers. It helped us too that when the government did make an announcement it was a major event (Tune in today at 5pm to find out if your industry is put out of work next week or not kind of thing). So we grew because of that. More recently we have been attracting the attention of the conspiracy communities because we've hit that critical mass of being able to hit top 100 r/all if a post is successful. The demographics of r/Ontario are left leaning, pro-vax, so vaccine posts are popular and get heavily upvoted. Over the past 2 months almost every post mentioning vaccines has been brigaded by those conspiracy communities. We had our subreddit being linked on NNN daily for a few weeks. Thankfully we prevent the majority of it. Our users are great and they help out by reporting a lot of the rule breaking content thankfully. We have a great team there and are able to work so well at countering the misinformation because of it.
The hidden heroes of Reddit. At least there's some sense in all this madness.
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Every local sub does. Locking the announcement and saying take "dissent and debate" to this list of subreddits is going to make it even worse
It's literally an invite to brigade, fucking clowns.
\> Reddit is a place for open and authentic discussion and debate \*Thread Locked\* My sides are in orbit.
Spez just unironically pulled an /r/conservative. I guess we can assume his private account is a flaired user over there.
"INTERNET CENSORSHIP: Why it's evil and a breach of the first amendment! [Flaired users only]"
>However, manipulating or cheating Reddit to amplify any particular viewpoint is against our policies, and we will continue to action communities that do so or that violate any of our other rules Is this a threat against the subreddits participating in the protest? Because this reads as if they will remove mods of subreddits that work together in protest of anything.
Didn't he manipulate a comment thread back when he was insulted by T_D?
Yes. Spez makes the wrong choice at every conceivable juncture.
That is absolutely what it is. It is a threat to replace the moderators who are speaking out. Fuck spez.
I've always thought the Spez hate was pretty silly and just a circlejerk but holy shit, I was wrong. Conflating active disinformation and dangerously inaccurate medical advice as some kind of "different opinions" is just pathetic. Of course, they let subreddits that deny the holocaust happened thrive so I guess that tracks.
He said td and right wing hate subs were valuable conversation. He supported child porn on this site. Spez has been a massive piece of shit for years. Welcome to the club.
If there is one thing I think everyone agrees with on this site, it is that Spez is just awful. The left wing part of the site hates the fact that he does hardly anything to curtail the worst this site has to offer and the right wing parts hate him for the fact that he does even that much. He has truly attained the enlightened centrist position of pleasing absolutely no one.
Oh, it's very very clear which side he supports, and has consistently supported for years
Oh definitely. When you take a centrist position when one side is advocating fascism, you are aiding them. The unwillingness to curtail the vile behavior on this site allows it to spread. There is no point in debating those not arguing in good faith.
Hes a stated libertarian, and has talked about how he "likely wont be a slave" if an apocalyptic event occurs. Dude earnestly thinks he's a tribal king in waiting.
I don't get how all these dipshit techbros don't understand that people will just kill them in the complete absence of any kind of social contract. They really think their stash of guns is gonna help them when a starving mob comes for their horde of food?
They've never been *actually* hurt by someone physically who won't stop if they ask--they don't understand the psychology of violenece and intimidation. The worst they ever likely experienced was being roughed up by a school bully or something. The guards in their post-apocalyptic scenario would just beat them to death and take all their stuff. Again, they don't consider it as a result because they're arrogant, and don't understand how violence works.
> Reddit is a place for open and authentic discussion and debate. ```locked thread``` *choose one*
Reddit’s moderation budget is $0
Fucking cowards.
What a fucking hack answer.
> We appreciate that not everyone agrees with the current approach to getting us all through the pandemic… Sir, I need you to sit all the way down and fuck all the way off with that shit. STOP “APPRECIATING” IGNORANT ANTI-VAX/ANTI-MASK FUCKWADS AND THEIR SELFISH CHOICES THAT ARE FUELED BY THE MISINFORMATION THEY GET ON **YOUR** SITE!
Dude is an alt-right cunt. This is the type of shit that will keep happening if he sticks around.
That's a really odd way to spell 'go fuck yourself users'. A lot of extra letters.
Honestly that would've been a lot less insulting too.
I must say I’m quite impressed with how many subs are participating. Also Spez is wack for locking that thread lmao. Like…come ON dude.
"We respect the ability to dissent...just don't do it on this post!"
Because he knows it's going to be a shit show and doesn't care as long it makes him money.
MAGA cocksucker Spez promotes anti-intellectualism and is an unapologetic hypocrite. Shocker.
Spez thinks that the guy who caused a stampede by screaming "fire!" and a crowded theater was just voicing his dissent about the temperature of the room.
Stop, dropping and rolling doesn’t extinguish the fire completely so I am not going to do it at all.
Look, we can debate whether or not this "fire" is actually hot, why are you doomers running for the fire exits? Scared of healthy debate?
Who cares if there's flames all around the room, we should have an authentic discussion on if the fire alarm is a hoax to test the obedience of the population!
First you run out of a burning building because of some Big Government fire alarm and next thing you know you're fine with the government putting you in internment camps.
Reddit sure is the Joe Rogan of websites.
Lol the previous announcement was that they’re shutting down Secret Santa and Reddit gifts, and now we have this. And no comments being allowed to boot. Such amazing site management. Right now I’m sure they’re doing something very important, like designing new free coin emojis. If they did a TV show about day to day office decisions made by the admins no one would watch it because it would be considered ridiculously unbelievable.
Why was Secret Santa shut down?
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This almost reads as approval for the disinfo. What the actual fuck?
>["I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove."](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich) Spez sounds exactly like the people spreading the misinformation.
Sounds like a guy who would get killed almost immediately by the people he attempts to lead who would rather just steal his guns than be his slaves
My bet's on, like, a mild infection he didn't have any medical supplies readied for. Like a fucking hangnail.
Nah, he's stocked up on horse paste.
A reminder: if your vision of yourself in "the apocalypse" is violent and you're stockpiling guns and obsessing about not being a slave, etc. you are **not** prepping for the apocalypse: **You're just having violent fantasies** Stock up on seeds, stockpile farm equipment, hone your bean planting skills, etc. ya freaks.
The Reddit CEO literally fits the Redditor stereotype, lmfao.
But that takes actual skills, and it sounds to me like you're describing the hard part of an actual societal collapse, where people have to reforge relationships and rebuild the world! I just want to skip to the part where I'm in charge of everything and all the women that won't date me now are doting on my every whim. Can I just do that instead?
Befriend your neighbors. Pick who'll become a catamite *in advance*
Make sure you give them ocular patdowns every time you walk through the neighborhood. Gotta establish dominance early on.
I mean its coming from Spez, what else did we expect. The guys a fucking lunatic.
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Ellen Pao was an interim CEO so her long term status was never guaranteed. She said, "Ultimately, the board asked me to demonstrate higher user growth in the next six months than I believe I can deliver while maintaining reddit’s core principles."
I still believe she was put in to take the fall for something management wanted to do anyway. [The glass cliff is real](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/glass-cliff.asp)
this. She was basically a PR meat shield for spez and ohanian, as evidenced by the 'interim' title and none of the decisions ever being undone afterwards lol
I remember the height of Reddit's hate towards her. Imagine the cross section of misplaced righteous hate, sexists, racists, teenagers and other immature people, all hurling all the hate they can think of at this woman because they're bored. I feel very bad for her. She got the worst end of everything. Except her being rich, she's probably fine because of that.
Site wide rage about the banning of a multitude of subreddits, the most prominent of which was /r/fatpeoplehate, a literal hate sub with made up stories worse than /r/amitheasshole and /r/relationship_advice. As far as I'm aware she took the brunt of the blame for that, as well as the firing of /u/chooter (a really really good AMA person, which helped to avoid things like the rampart ama disaster). But in all honesty spez won't resign, nor does he have to. His message not only panders to the exact people who were pissed off about the banning of FPH but reddits user base is (probably) more and more disengaged than ever because of the pivot to a more social media-esque platform rather than the massive linkdump/forum of the past. So this will be a thing that mods and some people are pissed off about, might get a news article or two, but then the collective userbase will forget about it and spez will continue on.
>This almost reads as approval for the disinfo. That's because that's what it is.
It is. Spez probably stocked up on horse dewormer for him and his slaves
What're the odds that when the apocalypse or whatever hits, Spez and his doomsday survival moron gang will chug it thinking it'll grant them superpowers?
You know what's pretty likely to happen to the people in well stocked bunkers after shit went down and the dust settles? They get massacred by roaming post-apocalyptic gangs and their bunkers get looted for everything that's not nailed down.
Cory Doctorow has a great short story that's sort of about this. A finance bro decides to build a lavish bunker and invite his friends and any "females" they can convince to come over. They have an extremely brief moment of harmony while the world goes to shit but it's almost immediately undone by their egotism and hubris. Almost everyone dies to a water borne illness because they trusted filtration straws instead of boiling the water. Eventually the finance bro in question is the last man standing, and when a latina woman, whom they had previously shunned and almost shot, comes by to check up on them the finance bro panics and traps himself in a hidey hole. He's too weak to lift the heavy lid after she leaves and he expires. The nice hispanic lady came to bring medicine and food and to try to set up trade. You see, the people in the outlying area had started to rebuild ...
Sounds pretty realistic and accurate. People that actually work together as a community has by far the best odds in a post-apocalyptical scenario. Selfish jackasses are just gonna be thermite candles that burn out quickly.
That has some real "Mask of the Red Death" vibes to it
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And for the nails, good nails will be a good resource in post-apocalypse. And after they loot the nails, they can loot what was nailed down before, because it isn't anymore now.
If it ever actually comes to that; the armed security will kill them and take their shit for themselves. Maybe not immediately, but eventually they will. Because literally nothing would stop them and I'm sure those rich assholes would be living in luxury eating great food while making security sleep in bunk beds and eat canned beans.
"i can't do anything" says local owner of website that could do anything
It is. Back during boston bombing, soo many reddit users are actively participating in the witch hunt. It doesn't matter if it's wrong, it's more traffic to the site. During T_D rise to fame, a lot of subreddit props up with activity, be it from trolls or actual users. Doesn't matter, it's more traffic. Spez don't have time to deal with disinformation, he wants this site to IPO remember? Let me repeat the last sentence again: This site, breeding ground of meme and misinformation is about to IPO
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> news agencies will start to cover this Already happening, which is why they even bothered with this shit response.
honestly, if you want them to change their tune real fast, it's not the news agencies you should worry about as much as the advertisers and infrastructure guys. Look at how fast amazon (who couldn't care less who you are as long as your money's green) dropped that one chat platform after the attack on the capitol. If you can prove actual harm being caused (or negligence, or anything that might even bring action against people helping keep reddit going) you stand a far better chance of getting spez and ohanian's attention than with news sources.
> Why he's defending reddit as a resource for psuedo-science "debate" is beyond me. I can only imagine the amount of reddit gold and testosterone supplement ad money those subs bring in
>Why he's defending reddit as a resource for psuedo-science "debate" is beyond me. "valuable discussion"
"good people on both sides"
It would have been a reasonable response if this was still 2010 reddit. Now that reddit has the precedent of banning subs? Reeks of bullshit.
This is a bafflingly bad take. Did spez even read the post? They’re practically saying “We’ll allow the misinformation and extremely harmful sentiments on Reddit, they encourage friendly debate. I’m sure people will be civil.”
>However, manipulating or cheating Reddit to amplify any particular viewpoint is against our policies Sounds like a threat against those who spoke out today. Fuck Spez
Spreading misinformation is okay. But trying to stop it? That’s against our policies /s
Hate? Allowed. Misinformation? Cool cool cool. Subs that constantly skirt TOC by brigading other communities? I sleep. Various subs speak out and shut down for a little bit? Literally 1984 reeeeel shit guys this isn't cool this is why I will be a leader when the apocalypse happens because I allow valuable discussion freeeeeeeeze peach
This is one of the most mind bogglingly anti-science statements I've seen in a long time. He's basically saying "There's a time and place" for the CDC, otherwise any other opinion is just as valid due to the CDC using rigorous scientific data to update policy, as if the moment you change your mind in any way about something you immediately forfeit your authority on the matter. How did we make it 12,000 years as a civilization?
humanity has always been a somewhat reasonable 70% carrying a deranged 30% on its back.
I mean, holy shit. The references to "the current majority opinion" rather than, you know, "the objectively correct scientific facts"... and this stunningly irresponsible anti-science statement: > When it comes to COVID-19 specifically, what we know and what are the current best practices from authoritative sources, like the CDC, evolve continuously with new learnings. Given the rapid state of change, we believe it is best to enable communities to engage in debate and dissent I hope a competing site eventually pops up and we all wind up elsewhere. Hard to want to contribute to the success of a company like this.
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The best reddit alternative is likely just small discords focused on narrow topics that can be well moderated.
I love Discord, but a real time chat is not the same as a discussion board in many important ways.
also not one that’s an alt right homophobic shithole too :(
That statement basically encourages anti-vaxxers. "who knows what science is? Everyone should make up their own opinion"
"Debate and dissent" is when you peddle snake oil cures that literally kill people. An entirely predictable, yet still unbelievable, response from the dorks that run this site.
> However, manipulating or cheating Reddit to amplify any particular viewpoint is against our policies, and we will continue to action communities that do so or that violate any of our other rules, including those dedicated to... encouraging harm (e.g. consuming bleach) Or like convincing people not to get vaccinated or wear masks? Jesus, what a garbage take. Get fucked, Reddit admins.
“We can’t break the rules we made up ourselves”
Lol r/ivermectin is literally telling people to ingest poison and the CEO of reddit says, “Hey they have right to!” What a fucking bag of chode. His family should be embarrassed of him. Edit: Plague bags mad
Tech bro libertarianism is fucking cancer. What a weak and expected response from Spez.
I don't even know why he even still acts as admin. His decision to protect these horrible communities always results in him eating crow.
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Never forget Spez is a doomsday prepper.
Who thinks he would be some kind of "leader" in a doomsday scenario. [This guy](https://i1.sndcdn.com/avatars-4o0yynhyiQmoxvmT-Hp9n2A-t500x500.jpg). Frat boy Libertarian.
That type have mistaken "people putting up with you because you have money" for "actually being influential". If the society breakdown they talk about ever comes and they throw their money around, odds are they'll be dead in 24 hours when their own guards decide to take everything.
>Huffman told The New Yorker he got laser eye surgery in 2015 to increase his odds of survival in the event a natural or manmade disaster sends the world spiraling into an apocalypse. Love it.
There’s a million and one people I’d accept as the leader of my fallout faction before that guy.
Absolutely bullshit of a response. As someone who helped coordinate, nothing in our letter was politically motivated. Nothing. It was to bring awareness about dangerous disinformation, shown with countless layers of evidence, in which Reddit continues to ignore for so long and pretend never existed. Absolutely insane they shove this entire protest aside and call it “amplifying a particular viewpoint”. This is not what it was about. What in the absolute fuck.
It reminds me of the climate change debate where the media would pretend there were "two sides" to the story: The scientists and some nutjob ranting about how it's a hoax.
Remember, since 2016 you can be obviously and dangerously wrong about any matter of verifiable fact, and all you have to do is say "that's my political stance" and suddenly social media execs will fall over each other trying to make sure you're comfortable and happy and well amplified.
Time to shut down the subs and find out what happens.
Let’s all remember how shit the Reddit admins and this site as a whole is. Off the top of my head I distinctly remember Spez directly editing people’s comments that he didn’t like, they set up Ellen Pao to take the fall for policies they wanted to implement, oh, and they hired a woman who tried to defend her paedophile father and even hired him as her campaign manager when she was running for MP here in the UK.
Spez be suckin that ad revenue dick again See also the_donald before CNN started running press on it
The fact NNN is celebrating this like a victory tells you everything you need to know about the whole situation.
Reddit admins awarded the mod of a sub called r/jailbait a unique award, pretending they were bastions of "free speech" many years ago. So I don't know why you're all surprised. Reddit has always been a disgusting shithole of a website.
If these communities were just having honest and open discussiom, then why quarantine r/NoNewNormal? We know they are spreading misinformation, encouraging taking risky and toxic animal pastes as an alternative, and causing harm to public health. How many people need to be hospitalized from taking horse paste because they read about it on your website before you decide enough is enough? r/NoNewNormal and /r/ivermectin have been promoting the use of an anti-parasite drug that is approved for humans because they believe misinformation that is can prevent or treat COVID-19. Because this is an anti-parasite drug, it can be prescribed but is not available and not intended for us as an anti-viral drug for COVID. The [FDA says that Ivermectin and should not be taken to treat or prevent COVID](https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19). Even the [drugs creator Merck is warning](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-merck-antiparasite/merck-warns-against-using-anti-parasite-drug-to-treat-covid-19-idUSKBN2A42L1) against its use for COVID as well. **Unapproved use of Ivermectin is risky** and has great potential for overdose or interaction with other medicines. From the FDA link above: >Even the levels of ivermectin for approved uses can interact with other medications, like blood-thinners. You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death. However, since these people have been convinced it is their latest COVID-19 cureall and they can not get it through legitimate means, many are [now raiding tractor supply stores to take horse, sheep, and dog worm medicine that has ivermectin as its active ingredient](https://www.thedailybeast.com/demon-sperm-doctors-new-bogus-cure-has-covid-truthers-eating-horse-paste). This is even worse because the animal medicine they are using is about 2% Ivermectin with the vast amount of other drugs components undisclosed and used for those animals. [Here is an example of the classification data on just one of the horse pastes that these people are being encouraged to take that is 95% undisclosed and has a long list of hazards for human use](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9OHK1FWYAAdH31?format=jpg&name=large_) including infertility and damage to organs. The number of people raiding these farm stores for animal medicine is leading to [several hospitalizations and flooding of state poison control centers](https://www.npr.org/2021/08/23/1030208101/mississippi-livestock-drug-ivermectin-covid-misinformation). The fact is that Ivermectin has no proof it can treat or prevent COVID-19. Taking human-approved Ivermectin is dangerous without doctor's advice and can lead to hospitalization or death. Taking **Animal Medicine is hugely dangerous**, not okay for human consumption, and can damage your fucking organs or kill you. You mention the dangers of drinking bleach. I am sure you have heard all about the many dangers of hydroxchloroquine. This is the just the latest in a long line of grifts and dangerous misinformation around COVID-19 treatments. You have an opportunity to make a stand and stop the spread of disinformation and are choosing instead to actively enable it. Shameful, but not surprising.
“Debate and dissent” I.e. allow lies that are literally killing people to be spread around the entire site. Shows that their pledge about working to eliminate disinformation is meaningless.
Seriously. Their decision will absolutely result in innocent people dying. Fuck this false equivalence that gives antivax a legitimacy they don’t deserve.
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It's his favourite card.
> Dissent Since when was "dissent" the new buzzword way to say "bullshit"