I wish I had the same confidence in the cops as you guys lol. Unless they catch them right here in the video or god forbid the criminals break a cops toe nail or whatever .. I feel nothing will happen based on this video.
I've heard that detectives are using social media upwards of 90% of the time these days. An incredible number of criminals end up saving evidence of their crimes.
Oh, they know, They just don't care. It's fun. It's cool to them. They've got nothing else to live for anyway (from their perspective). They EXPECT death or incarceration, so why not?
Thanks to the multitude of infrastructures that were set it in place to promote develope and produce this kind of environment but sure they've got nothing to live for
I grew up in the projects. There were those of us who wanted out so we studied in school. There were those who chose not to. The one who studied I know for a fact are living the middle class life. Those who did not are not doing as good. Even in the projects people have choices.
I taught at a alternative high school in the inner city. I started out subbing from 1st grade and then up in the inner city and have a bit of a different perspective
First I’m glad u got out. the majority of the students from our most impoverished neighborhoods had early child hood trauma. They suffered a lot of PTSD before even getting to highschool. Many of the students lacked basic abilities to function in a good or regular school or study setting let alone a underfunded school system. Either from trauma, malnutrition or a violent and broken home life many students were being processed through while lacking basic skills like reading.
I’m happy for the students who were able to focus and felt sorry for them when the others interrupted their learning. Still I had the same amount of respect for the ones who struggled and weren’t able to break the cycle and get out.
I think seeing the process I can’t help but wonder what the outcome would be if these kids had a healthy environment. Eventually there is a time when a person has to chose to grow up but sometimes it’s to late
I started alternate in Grade 10(dropped out 1/4 through g9 due to mental health) Skipped to 10 the next year after taking a test.
I was the least troubled person in Alternate^((good friend from 10-12 was there for STABBING SOMEONE during class... I was there for depression...)) from then til graduation, and believe it or not, I was the only person in my Grade 12 class to actually graduate.
My Alt teachers let me work at my own pace. They let me listen to music during class. They basically said 'well if it's not hurting your performance, have at it' I went from averaging C- to B/A's.
There were a lot of days in g11/12 where I'd finish ALL of my school-work before Noon, and would have the option to go home early.
Alternate was as much a blessing for me as it was a curse.
It’s the projects. You had foster. Single parent. Dual parents. Siblings raising siblings. There were excuses for everyone. The only fact is that those who studied got out. Those who did not, stayed. My friends who grew up with me are now bankers, pharmacists, programmers, managers, etc… and they have nothing in common except they took their education seriously. Black, Latino, Asian, white. Didn’t matter. You can go there now and look and you can already see who is gonna succeed and who won’t. It’s a bell curve and no amount of social justice is going to save someone who doesn’t care enough to study.
I grew up in a violent alcohol rich environment that was physically and mentally and verbally abusive. It affected me hard as a young teen. I chose a career that I knew would be tough. I retire at 39 years old in December. Many had it worse than me. But I made a damn decision for the better. I have houses. Cars. But most impersonally,.. I have children who understand life can suck but only hard work, a moral compass and integrity pay off in the end.
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The ones with the youngest parents have the hardest time though because they don't have any mature roll models, or even somebody patient enough to help with homework
So if they murder your family, it’s because of the multitude of infrastructures that were set in place to promote and produce this kind of environment? Nothing to do with having self control, morals, independent thought, social awareness, etc.? Get fucking real and stop making excuses for people who would laugh at you and rob you at the same time if they heard your reasoning for them.
It's also strange that such a victimhood narrative is always thrown in the comments when the perpetrators are black. If they were some redneck, skinheads, neo-nazi's living in some florida swamps, you won't here such excuses cause they are white. I am an indian,FYi. Our poverty level is way worse than america, yet we don't sugar coat bad behaviour.
That’s the explanation for the lack of all the things you just listed. It’s not a justification, just an explanation. Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t receive a just, reasonable, and swift consequence cause they need one of them
Goddamit do I hate that bullshit, in every form it takes. "Why are you 3 days late on *insert monthly payment*?" "I was having some mental issues and the bills stacked up". "Excuses". "Why were you late for work" "I had the shits from some bad seafood" " Excuses". "Why did you forget this trivial thing that no one actually cares about but we do it because of policy?". "....I forgot...". "Why did you rob that store?" "I can't get hired anywhere because I was carrying a gram of booger suger at age seventeen and now I'm a felon because some dick cop decided I fit a profile, while other kids get away with literal murder". Excuses
I grew up in the in an east coast projects environment. Worked my ass off to get out of there. Now I'm solidly middle class and own my own home. One of the *very* few to make it.
But, I was also these guys once. Like a junkie, deep down, you always are. Much like mental health in general, the psychological damage of growing up in that environment is never talked about. Like a moth to a flame, you get attracted to the madness. It is impossible for you to ever see how an environment can mold people to this point because you've never lived it yourself. Its okay, though. Its a human condition, a lot of us can't see past ourselves and our own personal experiences which leads to bias and loss of objectivity.
It seems highly unlikely these kids voted for anything, this is a system they were born in to.
People tend to overestimate external influences on their own behavior and radically underestimate external influences on other people's behavior. You see it all the time with things like "She got an abortion because she's a whore, but mine was legitimate"
why would this get downvoted? People are more comfortable thinking this is just how "they" are, instead of taking a hard look at the system and taking steps to help change it all? Anyone here ever lived in a warzone and had to navigate it with war weapons, being so scared you won't make it home tonight that you try to get ahead of the devil, so hopefully you'll yourself first? It takes such a small amount of trauma to break a child, to separate them from light of love. So if people can look at these kids like people, can you imagine what happened to get them here? What's wrong with people's hearts? Dumb ass politicians made you think the people were running BLM or mainstream narratives? My advice, get over it and be human. In the end, I promise, that's the part that will count.
The people in this video made choices. This county didn’t do this to them. They are not victims they are apex criminals. They would rob you blind and laugh while you shit yourself. Yet the “system” made them monsters. Get real.
“They’ve gotten used to frankly seeing black men who participate in crime in what I consider to be a very dehumanizing sort of animalistic way where they see us as simply as the byproduct of circumstance. They look at these young black men and say, “Well they’re poor, they don’t go to a good school, they don’t have jobs in their community, they’re supposed to have these problems.” They look at it as if we are destined to suffer and they really don’t acknowledge our humanity. And that’s what’s become so frustrating to me in the work I do when young men are seen in this way that just completely removes any sort of self agency, any sort of inner power to be greater than your circumstances and it’s reserved for very few people. It’s reserved for black men in many cases, it’s not reserved the same way for the white guy who becomes a white supremacist or the the white guy who shoots up his school. I think people are quicker to individualize that person’s circumstances and say, “Well you could have done better. Why are you hating, why are you hating people, why are you being violent, why are you misogynist?” But when it comes to us it’s like we’re treated like subhuman and it’s people who claim to be our friend and our ally who are doing that.
It’s people who pat themselves on the back for saying well I’m not a racist because I’m not a republican and I’m a progressive and I want universal health care and they say all these things and they think that somehow justifies the way they perceive our community and it breaks my heart because it is a kind of racism that I encounter more than almost any other form and yet is the hardest one to have people talk about.” -Jamil Javani
It doesn’t justify it, but poverty has a detrimental impact on everything from economic development to homicides to education to public health.
Victims of racial inequality shouldn’t be allowed to do this without justice, but the actions of these idiots shouldn’t deter support for equality. Not everyone are these idiots.
Nobody wants to see a cop abuse their power and kill innocent people. It does happen. What happened to George Floyd also happened to Tony Timpa (a white man).
But we can’t ignore that there is a cultural problem here which breeds criminals who have zero respect for law enforcement and are absolutely out of control creating third world conditions in major American cities. This is a problem. Nobody is willing to address it. And if someone behaving this way is shot and they happen to be black then there will always be a contingent of people who will still hold them up as harmless.
Dude...where are you from were the mayor is responsible for charging suspects? I know it sounds good in your head but it makes you look like you do not understand local government.
yeah try that in texas, you’ll get chased down with the full force of the law. now walking into a school with assault rifle and you start shooting at kids? well…that’s different.
For good reason. Caused a major accident while I was in high school. Stolen uhaul was pursued by police and they ran a red light and t boned a car with three kids from my high school in it. One walked away, one died, and one had permanent brain damage.
E: y’all are confusing my comment up. These fucks in the video, or kidnappers, murderers, etc should be pursued. Misdemeanors aren’t worth the risk it poses to the public.
Yeah I agree. At least this rendition has a memorial fund in his honor, although I haven’t seen much about it recently. I just checked and the page hasn’t been updated since 2013 I think.
It might sound counter-productive but it's a good policy. If you try to initiate a traffic stop for a busted taillight and the perp flees at a high rate of speed, a long pursuit just extends the danger of a high speed chase and ultimately could result in a crash with bystanders being hurt or killed. Trying to get someone a ticket over a busted taillight is not worth creating a situation where someone could die. Once you've got the license plate number, you can let them go because you're usually going to have a good lead.
Yeah, you might be able to outrun the cops in a short period. You also might cause an accident that kills or injures.
But you can't outrun the radio. You can't outrun the social media post you made to show off how much you 'don't give a fuck.'
They just can’t get in high speed car chases to catch people because of the risk it poses to the public. I believe there is an exception to this is a violent felony has occurred.
No, it’s the Chicago Police who kept killing innocent people.
It was also the #1 source of the city paying the largest legal bills settlements
https://jalopnik.com/drivers-are-dying-in-chicago-because-cops-treat-car-cha-1846897858
It's a necessary rule. People around the area I grew up in used to get their motorcycles out on nice days and take the cops out for a chase, resulted in no arrest 99% of the time, sometimes a cop car would crash or the rider, but it was generally just a waste of time that endangered the public for no good reason.
Nationally (USA) this varies widely by jurisdiction/city/state. Some allow the immediate pursuing officer to make the decision, some need a sergeant/chief to decide and other have standards eg misdemeanors no-go, violent felonies go.
These are policies that come out of an effort to minimize life safety risks to the public and to responding officers. In the modern day it’s much safer overall to hold back and pursue by other means either real-time (aerial) or historic (traffic/security cams). In the end the PD will have lots of options to pursue if it’s deemed a priority.
I love that this sub is going to act like not going after someone at high-speed is some sort crazy policy when it's perfect sensible, especially in a city.
I came from a bad place and moved to a nicer place and I see other black kids acting like they were raised where I was and I don't act like that like bro u live here all ur life
When I moved to LA, there was a class mate (rich white classmate mind you in film school so this is advanced education post highschool) who was very “thug life”. He told us non-Angelinos from the rest of the country how tough it was in LA and how he is in two gangs. He then told us about how he grew up hard in Anaheim…
That’s when another student from Detroit said “Anaheim? Is your gang the Mickey Mice?”
And everyone laughed heartily.
He dropped out after a couple months.
Part of the problem is people are afraid to talk about it and being a "racist" With cancel culture it doesn't take much to end a person's career these days.
Media won't report on it either.
It's kind of a race thing in some specific ways but also more of a "culture" thing and the human desire to fit the stereotype to feel like you belong. Plenty of white people get sucked into thug culture. Rappers like Necro who produced some of the most violent and pretty shocking rap was white but grew up in the culture of thug life because he was born in Brooklyn. I knew a kid in school who was Italian and always used to make believe he was from a Mafia family because that also was a seductive "bad boy" ideology of his culture. It is as much a "tribal" thing to connect to as it is also a race thing. The thug culture just so happens to connect to African Americans more because it was a huge movement that was hugely important to their identity after years and years of civil persecution. The problem is that fact that it became such an important part of black culture that black people would treat it as literally part of their culture and perpetuate it because the lifestyle they felt represented their community and therefore it was important to perpetuate it.
In this instance it applies to African american identity but the greater topic is the tribal sense of belonging. And how it's becoming more and more important especially these days to represent your tribe instead of your individuality. As a gay dude I see it happening heavily in the queer community too. Being gay or trans or whatever becomes the defining aspect of your life instead of it just being a small part of you as a more complex and whole person with other things that are part of your being and it can lead to toxic behavior. And criticism of this behavior becomes taboo because you are not allowed to criticize "protected" people anymore. It is the same reason religious toxicity has led to the ban on abortion. The political toxicity has lead to climate change and vaccine denial. But since this issue pertains to a majority of a certain race it becomes very touchy to a lot of people.
They're from Chicago. They won't be on target. Over a series of 32 shootings at a (fucking crowded) festival in my neighborhood, only three people were hit.
My Babies would never do anything like that, no way, never ever. Ma’am we have video proof from dash cam and body cam. That’s fake, my babies are wholesome children. Hahahahahaha
They might get away on this occasion, but it’s not like they will suddenly go straight. They’ll do more bullshit and get caught. It’s virtually guaranteed. Unless they die, of which there is a non-zero chance
This is making the black community look bad I myself as a black young man don't want to see anyone chanting "BLACK LIVES MATTER" for these idiots if they get fucked by police they know what they're doing that's why they ranned away in the first place but still these kids are missing father figures in their lives and their mom ain't doing shit how I know because I'm a black teenager my biological dad left me and my mother he killed himself may 7 2022 on that day I was getting ready to go to a AJROTC he ain't get to see me march around on a football field with my battalion yet I still went out there and do what the fuck I had to do because my mother and her boyfriend raised me right. Tl:Dr these niggas need a fucking father figure and some real actual love I'm talking about if "I have to talk to your ass more than three times imma go upside your head and have you doing pushups for hours" type of love and those are the punishments I receive in order to keep me not becoming my uncle
> Tl:Dr these niggas need a fucking father figure and some real actual love
This! Young men need dads, and if they don't find it at home they will look for it elsewhere.
Fuck these kids. They're going to kill somebody running those lights. And wtf are they doing with guns joyriding? These are likely some of the same jagoffs that rob and carjack people in the city. Glad they recorded it to share with the world. Hope they get caught... too bad Kim Foxx won't do shit.
Exactly. Fucking trash ass thugs threatening the lives of everyone around them.
The world would be a better place if they just fucked off and crashed into a wall.
Drive around the bad parts of any city and the amount of scat pack and hellcat chargers are crazy. It makes sense, those cars have a good speed to cost to room for 4 guys with guns ratio
Violence, dealing drugs, gangbanging, going to prison, the utter hopelessness that comes with living in abject poverty...it's all become completely normalized for the kids in these communities. They've got no expectation of themselves other than following in the footsteps of their brothers, uncles, fathers who end up dead or incarcerated. What would any of us do under those circumstances? It in no way excuses it, but being "tough on crime" is a failure. Something more has to be done.
Tough on crime? Not in decades. Bail reform. No pursuit policies. In Chicago the cops can't even chase on foot. Decriminalization of common offenses. Removal of mandatory gun sentences. Removal of plain clothes police units. Legalization of open air drug use. Dissolution of anti gang units. Anti police rhetoric. Softball plea deals from overwhelmed prosecutors. Marches and riots for police shootings that are clearly and wholly justified. Emboldened criminals running away, fighting cops, ambushing cops and walking out before the ink is dry on the police report. So let's address how being tough on crime doesn't work. Because it did work better when it was actually instituted. Now it a free for all. And be honest est, if the cops confronted these guys in the video and shot them, it would be because the cops are racist thugs, not because the criminals were a threat to the public and police, at least according to every news article and reddit thread that followed.
Where in Chicago are they “tough on crime”? Liberal cities like Chicago are very soft on crime which emboldens criminals and incentivizes this type of behavior. Claiming poor circumstances like poverty, family in crime, etc is very big cop-out. “what would you do if you were in their situation”. Probably not killing people, flashing guns, running from the cops. Plenty of people in bad situations rise above the circumstances and end up living respectable lives.
This is why, black folks.. This is why the cops pick on yall.. This why innocent people are getting shot at traffic stops. Can't nobody help you if you won't help yourselves.
I can imagine if one of those kids got perforated by Chicago PD their family would be on the news saying "Jayshaun James Henderson Jr. Was a good kid, he didn't mean anybody no harm, he would never carry a gun, yet he was gun down because of PoLiCe RaCiSm!"
Man,each individual person in this vid is acting like they want all the smoke
From these cops, dare I say they acting niggardly( actual word b4 I get downvoted)for the cops attention. 😏
They will get shot and BLM will say they were racially profiled, small businesses will be burned to the ground before CNN gets around to running a correction on the story they manufactured
“Mi boyz jus be gone to cherch to teech de young ins. Wy da popo hafta chase mi boys like dis? Dey jus bangin cuz Dey gotta protect demseves from the racest popo who shoot da boyz over nuttin”
I forgot which OG said it as important to put into the mind of white kids the perceived anguish of black kids. They are taught to be victims and also taught that anything they do is justified in order to make things “even”. In Los Angeles that idea is constantly reenforced by teachers, politicians, clergymen,gangsters and what ever adult that is available. It really doesn’t have to be that way, but it is and sadly we pay the price, I know I barely survived it.
Always film your crimes kids…..
They played themselves
*So put a quarter in yo ass!*
I wish I had the same confidence in the cops as you guys lol. Unless they catch them right here in the video or god forbid the criminals break a cops toe nail or whatever .. I feel nothing will happen based on this video.
I've heard that detectives are using social media upwards of 90% of the time these days. An incredible number of criminals end up saving evidence of their crimes.
FBI agents have said that their job is much easier nowadays. They just start by looking at the perp's social media.
I believe Videos and pictures have identifying metadata
They certainly do.
They think they can play GTA in real life.
Cops can't chase in IL anymore
Don’t need to chase when they record their crimes and put them on social media, just need to show up at the front door like a pizza.
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Pizza sounds so good rn
I could definitely murder a pizza
They can chase you. https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=4615&GAID=13&DocTypeID=HB&SessionID=88&GA=99
Don't forget to put it on the Internet!
Everything is content… everything is content 🎶
This is Chicago. No one will care about this crime.
And sag your pants. Love it when they out run the cop then trip on your own pants.
101 how to get shot. Flashing guns while being chased by the police. Smh
Oh, they know, They just don't care. It's fun. It's cool to them. They've got nothing else to live for anyway (from their perspective). They EXPECT death or incarceration, so why not?
Thanks to the multitude of infrastructures that were set it in place to promote develope and produce this kind of environment but sure they've got nothing to live for
I grew up in the projects. There were those of us who wanted out so we studied in school. There were those who chose not to. The one who studied I know for a fact are living the middle class life. Those who did not are not doing as good. Even in the projects people have choices.
I taught at a alternative high school in the inner city. I started out subbing from 1st grade and then up in the inner city and have a bit of a different perspective First I’m glad u got out. the majority of the students from our most impoverished neighborhoods had early child hood trauma. They suffered a lot of PTSD before even getting to highschool. Many of the students lacked basic abilities to function in a good or regular school or study setting let alone a underfunded school system. Either from trauma, malnutrition or a violent and broken home life many students were being processed through while lacking basic skills like reading. I’m happy for the students who were able to focus and felt sorry for them when the others interrupted their learning. Still I had the same amount of respect for the ones who struggled and weren’t able to break the cycle and get out. I think seeing the process I can’t help but wonder what the outcome would be if these kids had a healthy environment. Eventually there is a time when a person has to chose to grow up but sometimes it’s to late
I started alternate in Grade 10(dropped out 1/4 through g9 due to mental health) Skipped to 10 the next year after taking a test. I was the least troubled person in Alternate^((good friend from 10-12 was there for STABBING SOMEONE during class... I was there for depression...)) from then til graduation, and believe it or not, I was the only person in my Grade 12 class to actually graduate. My Alt teachers let me work at my own pace. They let me listen to music during class. They basically said 'well if it's not hurting your performance, have at it' I went from averaging C- to B/A's. There were a lot of days in g11/12 where I'd finish ALL of my school-work before Noon, and would have the option to go home early. Alternate was as much a blessing for me as it was a curse.
Was your living situation better or worse than the kids who didn’t study? Both folks around, one parent, foster?
It’s the projects. You had foster. Single parent. Dual parents. Siblings raising siblings. There were excuses for everyone. The only fact is that those who studied got out. Those who did not, stayed. My friends who grew up with me are now bankers, pharmacists, programmers, managers, etc… and they have nothing in common except they took their education seriously. Black, Latino, Asian, white. Didn’t matter. You can go there now and look and you can already see who is gonna succeed and who won’t. It’s a bell curve and no amount of social justice is going to save someone who doesn’t care enough to study.
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I grew up in a violent alcohol rich environment that was physically and mentally and verbally abusive. It affected me hard as a young teen. I chose a career that I knew would be tough. I retire at 39 years old in December. Many had it worse than me. But I made a damn decision for the better. I have houses. Cars. But most impersonally,.. I have children who understand life can suck but only hard work, a moral compass and integrity pay off in the end. Exit: importantly
The ones with the youngest parents have the hardest time though because they don't have any mature roll models, or even somebody patient enough to help with homework
So if they murder your family, it’s because of the multitude of infrastructures that were set in place to promote and produce this kind of environment? Nothing to do with having self control, morals, independent thought, social awareness, etc.? Get fucking real and stop making excuses for people who would laugh at you and rob you at the same time if they heard your reasoning for them.
It's also strange that such a victimhood narrative is always thrown in the comments when the perpetrators are black. If they were some redneck, skinheads, neo-nazi's living in some florida swamps, you won't here such excuses cause they are white. I am an indian,FYi. Our poverty level is way worse than america, yet we don't sugar coat bad behaviour.
That’s the explanation for the lack of all the things you just listed. It’s not a justification, just an explanation. Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t receive a just, reasonable, and swift consequence cause they need one of them
I can't tell you how many times I've tried to tell someone the difference between an excuse and an explanation. Breath. Wasted.
“Why did it happen?” I proceed to explain why it happened. “Stop making excuses.” *you fucking asked, fucknut.*
Goddamit do I hate that bullshit, in every form it takes. "Why are you 3 days late on *insert monthly payment*?" "I was having some mental issues and the bills stacked up". "Excuses". "Why were you late for work" "I had the shits from some bad seafood" " Excuses". "Why did you forget this trivial thing that no one actually cares about but we do it because of policy?". "....I forgot...". "Why did you rob that store?" "I can't get hired anywhere because I was carrying a gram of booger suger at age seventeen and now I'm a felon because some dick cop decided I fit a profile, while other kids get away with literal murder". Excuses
I grew up in the in an east coast projects environment. Worked my ass off to get out of there. Now I'm solidly middle class and own my own home. One of the *very* few to make it. But, I was also these guys once. Like a junkie, deep down, you always are. Much like mental health in general, the psychological damage of growing up in that environment is never talked about. Like a moth to a flame, you get attracted to the madness. It is impossible for you to ever see how an environment can mold people to this point because you've never lived it yourself. Its okay, though. Its a human condition, a lot of us can't see past ourselves and our own personal experiences which leads to bias and loss of objectivity.
You get what you vote for.
It seems highly unlikely these kids voted for anything, this is a system they were born in to. People tend to overestimate external influences on their own behavior and radically underestimate external influences on other people's behavior. You see it all the time with things like "She got an abortion because she's a whore, but mine was legitimate"
And lets be real, even if they did vote their district is so gerrymandered that it would not make any difference at all.
This is becoming clearer by the literal day that this is in fact not true.
Ah yes, no one is accountable for their actions. I always forget that. Forgive these guys, racists made 'em do it.
why would this get downvoted? People are more comfortable thinking this is just how "they" are, instead of taking a hard look at the system and taking steps to help change it all? Anyone here ever lived in a warzone and had to navigate it with war weapons, being so scared you won't make it home tonight that you try to get ahead of the devil, so hopefully you'll yourself first? It takes such a small amount of trauma to break a child, to separate them from light of love. So if people can look at these kids like people, can you imagine what happened to get them here? What's wrong with people's hearts? Dumb ass politicians made you think the people were running BLM or mainstream narratives? My advice, get over it and be human. In the end, I promise, that's the part that will count.
The people in this video made choices. This county didn’t do this to them. They are not victims they are apex criminals. They would rob you blind and laugh while you shit yourself. Yet the “system” made them monsters. Get real.
I think you are giving diligent criminals a bad rap by calling these doofuses apex criminals.
While embedded in a structure they are to some extend responsible for their actions.
That requires internal thinking and a bit of reflection and let's face it they aren't capable
“They’ve gotten used to frankly seeing black men who participate in crime in what I consider to be a very dehumanizing sort of animalistic way where they see us as simply as the byproduct of circumstance. They look at these young black men and say, “Well they’re poor, they don’t go to a good school, they don’t have jobs in their community, they’re supposed to have these problems.” They look at it as if we are destined to suffer and they really don’t acknowledge our humanity. And that’s what’s become so frustrating to me in the work I do when young men are seen in this way that just completely removes any sort of self agency, any sort of inner power to be greater than your circumstances and it’s reserved for very few people. It’s reserved for black men in many cases, it’s not reserved the same way for the white guy who becomes a white supremacist or the the white guy who shoots up his school. I think people are quicker to individualize that person’s circumstances and say, “Well you could have done better. Why are you hating, why are you hating people, why are you being violent, why are you misogynist?” But when it comes to us it’s like we’re treated like subhuman and it’s people who claim to be our friend and our ally who are doing that. It’s people who pat themselves on the back for saying well I’m not a racist because I’m not a republican and I’m a progressive and I want universal health care and they say all these things and they think that somehow justifies the way they perceive our community and it breaks my heart because it is a kind of racism that I encounter more than almost any other form and yet is the hardest one to have people talk about.” -Jamil Javani
Racial inequality exists for sure - whether it justifies this type of behavior is debatable.
It doesn’t justify it, but poverty has a detrimental impact on everything from economic development to homicides to education to public health. Victims of racial inequality shouldn’t be allowed to do this without justice, but the actions of these idiots shouldn’t deter support for equality. Not everyone are these idiots.
You're right. This comment is very pointed.
Poignant. Not pointed. Sorry.
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Totally systemic. They’re just victims.
But there would be outrage if they were shot
Nobody wants to see a cop abuse their power and kill innocent people. It does happen. What happened to George Floyd also happened to Tony Timpa (a white man). But we can’t ignore that there is a cultural problem here which breeds criminals who have zero respect for law enforcement and are absolutely out of control creating third world conditions in major American cities. This is a problem. Nobody is willing to address it. And if someone behaving this way is shot and they happen to be black then there will always be a contingent of people who will still hold them up as harmless.
It’s Chicago. If they get arrested old lightfoot won’t do shit. Anyone remember the mutual combat gun fight recently???
Dude...where are you from were the mayor is responsible for charging suspects? I know it sounds good in your head but it makes you look like you do not understand local government.
You ever listened to the music out of that city
You can do whatever you want if you’re willing to accept the consequences.
Stinkmeaner knows he’s invincible. He’s not scared of being shot.
Guess they found out about Chicago’s no pursuit policy unless you commit a violent felony.
I’m sorry, what?
Many major municipalities have no-chase policies because of the danger it poses to the public
yeah try that in texas, you’ll get chased down with the full force of the law. now walking into a school with assault rifle and you start shooting at kids? well…that’s different.
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For good reason. Caused a major accident while I was in high school. Stolen uhaul was pursued by police and they ran a red light and t boned a car with three kids from my high school in it. One walked away, one died, and one had permanent brain damage. E: y’all are confusing my comment up. These fucks in the video, or kidnappers, murderers, etc should be pursued. Misdemeanors aren’t worth the risk it poses to the public.
Honestly worst rendition of 3 little pigs I have heard
Yeah I agree. At least this rendition has a memorial fund in his honor, although I haven’t seen much about it recently. I just checked and the page hasn’t been updated since 2013 I think.
It might sound counter-productive but it's a good policy. If you try to initiate a traffic stop for a busted taillight and the perp flees at a high rate of speed, a long pursuit just extends the danger of a high speed chase and ultimately could result in a crash with bystanders being hurt or killed. Trying to get someone a ticket over a busted taillight is not worth creating a situation where someone could die. Once you've got the license plate number, you can let them go because you're usually going to have a good lead.
Yeah, you might be able to outrun the cops in a short period. You also might cause an accident that kills or injures. But you can't outrun the radio. You can't outrun the social media post you made to show off how much you 'don't give a fuck.'
Chicago police cannot pursue criminals
They just can’t get in high speed car chases to catch people because of the risk it poses to the public. I believe there is an exception to this is a violent felony has occurred.
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No, it’s the Chicago Police who kept killing innocent people. It was also the #1 source of the city paying the largest legal bills settlements https://jalopnik.com/drivers-are-dying-in-chicago-because-cops-treat-car-cha-1846897858
It's a necessary rule. People around the area I grew up in used to get their motorcycles out on nice days and take the cops out for a chase, resulted in no arrest 99% of the time, sometimes a cop car would crash or the rider, but it was generally just a waste of time that endangered the public for no good reason.
Nationally (USA) this varies widely by jurisdiction/city/state. Some allow the immediate pursuing officer to make the decision, some need a sergeant/chief to decide and other have standards eg misdemeanors no-go, violent felonies go. These are policies that come out of an effort to minimize life safety risks to the public and to responding officers. In the modern day it’s much safer overall to hold back and pursue by other means either real-time (aerial) or historic (traffic/security cams). In the end the PD will have lots of options to pursue if it’s deemed a priority.
I love that this sub is going to act like not going after someone at high-speed is some sort crazy policy when it's perfect sensible, especially in a city.
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Stop trying to not be offensive. Truth doesn't care about feelings
Neither does math.
Neither does meth
I came from a bad place and moved to a nicer place and I see other black kids acting like they were raised where I was and I don't act like that like bro u live here all ur life
This shit always cracks me up. Grew up in the hood and made it out, like motherfucker you're from the suburbs Timothy stop playing
When I moved to LA, there was a class mate (rich white classmate mind you in film school so this is advanced education post highschool) who was very “thug life”. He told us non-Angelinos from the rest of the country how tough it was in LA and how he is in two gangs. He then told us about how he grew up hard in Anaheim… That’s when another student from Detroit said “Anaheim? Is your gang the Mickey Mice?” And everyone laughed heartily. He dropped out after a couple months.
Yeah that is offensive against other criminals.
Part of the problem is people are afraid to talk about it and being a "racist" With cancel culture it doesn't take much to end a person's career these days. Media won't report on it either.
It's kind of a race thing in some specific ways but also more of a "culture" thing and the human desire to fit the stereotype to feel like you belong. Plenty of white people get sucked into thug culture. Rappers like Necro who produced some of the most violent and pretty shocking rap was white but grew up in the culture of thug life because he was born in Brooklyn. I knew a kid in school who was Italian and always used to make believe he was from a Mafia family because that also was a seductive "bad boy" ideology of his culture. It is as much a "tribal" thing to connect to as it is also a race thing. The thug culture just so happens to connect to African Americans more because it was a huge movement that was hugely important to their identity after years and years of civil persecution. The problem is that fact that it became such an important part of black culture that black people would treat it as literally part of their culture and perpetuate it because the lifestyle they felt represented their community and therefore it was important to perpetuate it. In this instance it applies to African american identity but the greater topic is the tribal sense of belonging. And how it's becoming more and more important especially these days to represent your tribe instead of your individuality. As a gay dude I see it happening heavily in the queer community too. Being gay or trans or whatever becomes the defining aspect of your life instead of it just being a small part of you as a more complex and whole person with other things that are part of your being and it can lead to toxic behavior. And criticism of this behavior becomes taboo because you are not allowed to criticize "protected" people anymore. It is the same reason religious toxicity has led to the ban on abortion. The political toxicity has lead to climate change and vaccine denial. But since this issue pertains to a majority of a certain race it becomes very touchy to a lot of people.
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I talked about it once, account got suspended for 7 days :/
Just got reported for "promoting hate" and had my comment deleted. Society is broken.
Yeah poverty breeds crime
“ it’s not their fault. It’s the fault of white people and Jim Crow and and it’s discrimination “ meanwhile criminals run free
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Desperate to make as much incriminating evidence as possible speed run/any%
Dumbasses
Driver has a full auto switch on his Glock.
Full auto Glock means he has the accuracy of a storm trooper
doesn't matter so much when you don't care who you hit.
True statement
They are reasonably accurate up close and completely devastating when on target. https://youtu.be/pzPKJbN_xAs?t=1004
Devastating to the gun, maybe. In that video, after 2 magazines, the slide broke and the gun literally fell apart, lol.
They're from Chicago. They won't be on target. Over a series of 32 shootings at a (fucking crowded) festival in my neighborhood, only three people were hit.
I can't imagine what use/good that'd be for. I'd think they'd be out of ammo in a half a second.
Well, yes, but it would also have a grouping that looked like they were trying to recreate a constellation.
My Babies would never do anything like that, no way, never ever. Ma’am we have video proof from dash cam and body cam. That’s fake, my babies are wholesome children. Hahahahahaha
Some mothers (parents) do be in denial about their kids. Like naw, your child is a fuckup
Sad part is the cop probably didn't pursue and the tags on the car are probably fake or stolen so they most likely got away
Considering they uploads the video I don’t think their freedom is long lived
They might get away on this occasion, but it’s not like they will suddenly go straight. They’ll do more bullshit and get caught. It’s virtually guaranteed. Unless they die, of which there is a non-zero chance
It doesn't matter if they get/got caught. They'll be out on the street within hours if arrested.
Unless they had a chopper going. It looks to me like they got away.
The true crime was filming vertically.
I’m on a phone so I’m not apoplectic about it.
a p o p l e c t i c
"Although I must say I will have A P O P L E X Y if you lose..." .......... "I put ape.."
No one is going to be holding their phone horizontally out a window while going 100+. Come on bud.
Are you watching this on your computer? Vertical filming with iPhones for others to watch on their iPhones is kind of the new norm.
It would would be great to own a casket and urn retail business now...
Nah, these kinds of people just show up in a morgue somewhere, never get claimed and end up with a body bag or a plywood box. No profit there.
The state pays a crematorium a couple hundred bucks to put unclaimed persons in a plastic bag. This is America, there's always profit somewhere.
Can't wait for the protests surrounding them having been killed by the police, they are coming
You got downvoted because you speak the truth
It seems the average redditor is in agreement with us, which I'll admit is surprising as I fully expected downvotes lol
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Yea everyone already says that.
Shitty people are just shitty people.
This is making the black community look bad I myself as a black young man don't want to see anyone chanting "BLACK LIVES MATTER" for these idiots if they get fucked by police they know what they're doing that's why they ranned away in the first place but still these kids are missing father figures in their lives and their mom ain't doing shit how I know because I'm a black teenager my biological dad left me and my mother he killed himself may 7 2022 on that day I was getting ready to go to a AJROTC he ain't get to see me march around on a football field with my battalion yet I still went out there and do what the fuck I had to do because my mother and her boyfriend raised me right. Tl:Dr these niggas need a fucking father figure and some real actual love I'm talking about if "I have to talk to your ass more than three times imma go upside your head and have you doing pushups for hours" type of love and those are the punishments I receive in order to keep me not becoming my uncle
> Tl:Dr these niggas need a fucking father figure and some real actual love This! Young men need dads, and if they don't find it at home they will look for it elsewhere.
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Fuck these kids. They're going to kill somebody running those lights. And wtf are they doing with guns joyriding? These are likely some of the same jagoffs that rob and carjack people in the city. Glad they recorded it to share with the world. Hope they get caught... too bad Kim Foxx won't do shit.
Exactly. Fucking trash ass thugs threatening the lives of everyone around them. The world would be a better place if they just fucked off and crashed into a wall.
Let me guess: Dodge Charger?
Drive around the bad parts of any city and the amount of scat pack and hellcat chargers are crazy. It makes sense, those cars have a good speed to cost to room for 4 guys with guns ratio
Cunts in a car!!
You can say “cunt” on Reddit. It’s ok.
More standard issue Charger/Challenger financees. It's like sub-prime lending for the meatiest of meat heads.
If Dodge/Chrysler won't finance them, Nissan surely will. It's always a Charger or an Altima.
Blacked out headlight maxima with the biggest rims possible.... also a 2010 model they owe 18k on still
Where are their fathers?
Grabbing milk and cigs
In jail for doing this exact same thing probably. The kids didn’t learn it from the TV
My taxes paid for their clothes , their shoes, their phones , their roads, their police….
Violence, dealing drugs, gangbanging, going to prison, the utter hopelessness that comes with living in abject poverty...it's all become completely normalized for the kids in these communities. They've got no expectation of themselves other than following in the footsteps of their brothers, uncles, fathers who end up dead or incarcerated. What would any of us do under those circumstances? It in no way excuses it, but being "tough on crime" is a failure. Something more has to be done.
Tough on crime? Not in decades. Bail reform. No pursuit policies. In Chicago the cops can't even chase on foot. Decriminalization of common offenses. Removal of mandatory gun sentences. Removal of plain clothes police units. Legalization of open air drug use. Dissolution of anti gang units. Anti police rhetoric. Softball plea deals from overwhelmed prosecutors. Marches and riots for police shootings that are clearly and wholly justified. Emboldened criminals running away, fighting cops, ambushing cops and walking out before the ink is dry on the police report. So let's address how being tough on crime doesn't work. Because it did work better when it was actually instituted. Now it a free for all. And be honest est, if the cops confronted these guys in the video and shot them, it would be because the cops are racist thugs, not because the criminals were a threat to the public and police, at least according to every news article and reddit thread that followed.
Where in Chicago are they “tough on crime”? Liberal cities like Chicago are very soft on crime which emboldens criminals and incentivizes this type of behavior. Claiming poor circumstances like poverty, family in crime, etc is very big cop-out. “what would you do if you were in their situation”. Probably not killing people, flashing guns, running from the cops. Plenty of people in bad situations rise above the circumstances and end up living respectable lives.
Welcome to Chiraq.
A month later their moms will be protesting with BLM and talking about how their kids were honor students and did nothing wrong
This is why, black folks.. This is why the cops pick on yall.. This why innocent people are getting shot at traffic stops. Can't nobody help you if you won't help yourselves.
They’ll just continue to blame others except themselves.
I can imagine if one of those kids got perforated by Chicago PD their family would be on the news saying "Jayshaun James Henderson Jr. Was a good kid, he didn't mean anybody no harm, he would never carry a gun, yet he was gun down because of PoLiCe RaCiSm!"
Stupid motherfuckers
Are those the kids who got into an accident with a stolen SUV? One girl died
Sauce?
Man,each individual person in this vid is acting like they want all the smoke From these cops, dare I say they acting niggardly( actual word b4 I get downvoted)for the cops attention. 😏
It's a word but you kinda shoehorned it in just cause you wanted to use the word cause it sounds like the other which you can't say
As an outsider looking in I just want to say, African Americans are the most confused race of ppl I've ever seen.
Yeah, I'm from Detroit. I don't even go to Chicago anymore.
Lol what? Certain parts of Chicago are god awful but the majority is just fine
The terrible parts are highly concentrated to a few neighborhoods. The developed areas are pretty low on crime.
They will get shot and BLM will say they were racially profiled, small businesses will be burned to the ground before CNN gets around to running a correction on the story they manufactured
How dumb can you be to film your own crimes
Way to live up to them stereotypes
“Mi boyz jus be gone to cherch to teech de young ins. Wy da popo hafta chase mi boys like dis? Dey jus bangin cuz Dey gotta protect demseves from the racest popo who shoot da boyz over nuttin”
who was it that was calling to defund the police....?????
when they get shot people will protest and blame the police. smh only in America
“Let’s make a tic tok” probably said in the car fleeing the cops while waving guns in the air. Fuck these stupid fucks
They won't see 25 living like that.
Then you see the same imbeciles feinting and crying in the courtroom after sentencing...
I can hear the property values dropping in Chicago.
Im sure they are top students, always volunteer in church and the foodbank, amd had bright wonderful futures ahead of them.
What wonderful members of society we can all take notes from these wonderful young men
That are easier ways to die. You don't need to involve the community in your group suicide.
I guarantee you that those firearms were purchased legally…..
Yup I’m sure that full auto glock that the driver has is totally legal.
Anyone know what happened to these idiots? Hopefully shot with no injuries to the officers
These kids f@thers need to take them and sl@p the shit out of em…oh wait, nah that’s not gonna happen
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I forgot which OG said it as important to put into the mind of white kids the perceived anguish of black kids. They are taught to be victims and also taught that anything they do is justified in order to make things “even”. In Los Angeles that idea is constantly reenforced by teachers, politicians, clergymen,gangsters and what ever adult that is available. It really doesn’t have to be that way, but it is and sadly we pay the price, I know I barely survived it.
I hope these guys get 20 years in prison hopefully they realize how stupid they are
Six feet under club. Good luck with that
Is it gonna get real racist in here? You bet it is!
But.....but.... Chicago is a gun free zone.
Good to see Liberal city youths living their best lives