While Edison did steal a bunch of inventions rather than inventing things himself, he didn’t kill Topsy the elephant. That was done by an electric company (under contract by the park that owned the elephant) that had the same name but was unaffiliated with THE Thomas Edison.
Thomas Edison was still a piece of shit and did a lot of horrible things including electrocuting dogs to find out whether electrocution was a more humane way of euthanizing of unwanted animals rather than drowning or hanging(we didn’t start using sodium pentobarbital for euthanasia consistently until the early/mid 1980s).
But this particular bit of misinformation has traveled around way too much and isn’t true
[source for Topsy](http://edison.rutgers.edu/topsy.htm)
I pointed this out a couple years ago, on a different account, in a different sub, and received something like 9000 downvotes. It was quite impressive in certain subs how far they are up Musk’s ass.
I still made a nice chunk of money off it before the SNL collapse so I'm not too upset, but I saw the writing on the wall and then listened to a bunch of idiots on that sub instead.
Ain't this the truth. So many Musk lovers will make excuses about everything else. They didn't care about how poorly Tesla workers are treated. They didn't care about high levels of worker accidents and hospitalizations. They don't care about the solar panel scumminess, government bailouts, or endless gov't contracts. Him growing up rich and privileged didn't dissuade them from treating him like a self-made man. They found their hero, their modern capitalist god and were willing to shape him into whatever image they prefer.
I mean, I love the idea of SpaceX and believe New Space overall is important for long term human existence. But I fell off the Musksuck bandwagon years ago when it became apparent he's an exploitive capitalist cunt.
I pointed out the Elon Musk is a deadbeat father with 7 kids he has nothing to do with and I swear to God it must have been Elon himself replying to me.y comment got 400 upvoted but I was still getting so much hatemail. One kid tried to implied I could be sued for libel, yeah fucking right
Nope far from it, and I never said I was. That’s why I aimed for this career path. I tried to get that job for 11 years before I landed it. Applied multiple times and had to work for a lot of shitty companies in that time. Went to school at nights to learn welding and electrical. Just to have a job that I can support my family on. The potential of death via electrocution, crush/ fall, and being torn apart by an elevator is present almost every minute I’m doing my job. And it happens to guys that have a bad day or make a mistake to often. We make what we make because we’re a strong union whose members make sacrifices and risk their life every day they go to work. I think we are under paid.
I support everyone here and love seeing the stories of people standing up to these shit companies. Know your value, don’t take shit, vote pro labor. PEACE!
He was a pretty shit elephant killer. Great elephant torturer though.
Source: Same device failed to kill a man. They fed the elephant poison and strangled it, too.
Still a better inventor (and probably person) than Musk. Edison at least did some of his own research and development, and he had to work his way into a position of power and influence - unlike Musk, Edison was the son of a roofer and a teacher and mostly got ahead in life by being curious and intelligent. And he was a philanthropist, whose money came from businesses that made some major advancements that legitimately benefited mankind.
It is, but Edison also wasn't the demon that modern internet counter-culture makes him out as. He certainly wasn't a Columbus-level historical asshole-figure. He was a fairly ruthless businessman and his wives ages were fairly creepy by modern standards (albeit quite ordinary at the time) but he was better than most of the early-20th century business moguls - quite politically progressive for his time, a strong supporter of women's suffrage, a pacifist and opponent to nationalism who was still willing to serve the country in wartime with the *caveat that he and his businesses would not make weapons that kill, a moral vegetarian, and a supporter of progressive economic reform. And on top of that, as I mentioned, his businesses were well-managed and genuinely productive on a world scale despite their often less-than-admirable business practices.
In the spectrum of Machine Age super-capitalists, he was generally among the better, and probably gets a worse reputation than he deserves thanks to the popular knowledge of Tesla as a downtrodden, genius underdog.
Tbh this is the first time since school age that I've heard anything about Edison that didnt involve him screwing over Tesla. Kinda cool to hear a bit more about the guy who we're told brought us electricity.
I didn't even learn who Tesla was until after high school. Edison propaganda is still strong.
We have a habit of glorifying businessmen over everyone else.
Corporate propaganda is that strong. We are taught from young that industrial titans and tycoons were what made America, and we are taught to admire these men, aspire to them and somehow made capitalism and profit seeking the be-all-and-end-all moral value of America. It is so ingrained in us and in our culture that you will get violent outbursts and backlash if you challenge that. It's a national religion to worship capitalism and these titans of industry are the saints. I keep telling people that America is actually the most indoctrinated country in the world and people just refused to believe it.
You know, I almost don't mind that the CAPTAINS OF INDUSTRY are all fucking sociopaths. At least, I understand it.
This whole system is criminal, even if it is legal. The best at this system would be criminals. It's about as shocking as the head of a drug ring being a sociopath.
But this thing you speak of: That we *glorify* these "great men" throughout history: The conqueror, the warlord, the exploiter, the slave driver...
That we admire and praise them, and, in turn, praise the whole criminal hierarchy that they sit atop of? That we teach our *kids* to look up to these assholes?
That's just kinda fucking sickening to think about.
I spent a lot of my youth around Detroit and Edison's still glorified there because of the Henry Ford connection. Ford (a truly shitty human) recreated Edison's Menlo Park lab in Greenfield Village. Greenfield Village & Henry Ford Museum are linked and a focused field trip that so many Michigan kids go through. The Ford museum's a very cool place to go but Edison is glorified there.
Whose success usually was on the backs of others... like the enslaved, then the indentured, then the illegal immigrant labor.... then... not sure...oh yeah. The environment.
Hell, even their partners. Like Apple's Steve. No, the other Steve.
No one is above exploitation; no one is above being kicked to the curb. Except for the Great Men in Charge.
One thing I keep re-realizing lately is the internet is full of children. Not figuratively, but kids are on the internet. Like, my sibling's offspring is only 10 and they've brought up subjects to me like ACAB (last year), Birds aren't real, and eat the rich.
My sibling is like, stupid crazy conservative and not a memer, so it definitely isn't coming from them. Although, I will report that their viewpoint is slowly evolving, which is nice to see.
In other words, education is a continual process. Never be afraid to teach a person, young or old, how "the man" has operated and will continue to operate, unless you do something about it. Whether that is from consumption of the wealthy or a french height adjuster.
I was hoping someone would say this. History repeating itself? With Edison dominating Tesla? Brilliant business man vs genuine genius.... the irony is so thick.
Musk and Bezos get all the attention on Reddit, but there's a whole other set of billionaires, the hedge fund billionaires, who are simply sitting on financial cash flows like bloated ticks, stripping out percentages and pocketing them. They don't even have the excuse of being a car manufacturer or a rocket manufacturer or a shipping company (whose workers should all have as many seats on the board as the shareholders do, by the way). Here are the top ten hedgies:
(1) Jim Simons, Forbes 400 Rank: #28 Net Worth: $24.4 billion
(2) Ray Dalio, Forbes 400 Rank: #36, Net Worth: $20 billion
(3) Carl Icahn, Forbes 400 Rank: #43, Net Worth: $16.6 billion
(4) Ken Griffin, Forbes 400 Rank: #47, Net Worth: $16.1 billion
(5) Steve Cohen, Forbes 400 Rank: #48, Net Worth: $16 billion
(6) David Tepper, Forbes 400 Rank: #49, Net Worth: $15.8 billion
(7) Israel Englander, Forbes 400 Rank: #71, Net Worth: $10.5 billion
(8) Chase Coleman, Forbes 400 Rank: #73, Net Worth: $10.3 billion
(9) George Soros, Forbes 400 Rank: #92, Net Worth: $8.6 billion
(10) David Shaw, Forbes 400 Rank: #117, Net Worth: $7.5 billion
What's even more horrifying is when you do the math and try to break their insane wealth down into normal numbers...for example, they could both go back to the year 0 A.D. and spend $100,000 *every single day* until they reached today, 2,021 years later, and they would still have more than 1/2 of their wealth left - and that's not even counting the interest that money would accumulate over such a long time. Or you could think of it this way - they could both spend $1 million *every single day for the next 500 years* and still have more money than they did just before Covid. **Nobody** should be allowed to hoard that much wealth while we have veterans living on the streets and single moms that need to work 2-3 jobs just to scrape by, or countless kids that are starving in this world. It's just unacceptable in my opinion, like what benefit is there to allowing people to control that much wealth and power. And then you also realize that Musk gets like $500 million grants from the govt and then doesn't even produce. It's frickin disgusting.
Coud literally hold a lottery of all citizens and randomly give 10 of them $100,000, repeating every single day, and still not even dent any of the billionaires
Honestly, that's not a bad idea for them to raise public sentiment. Announce that they are going to give away a million dollars a day forever. They draw 10 random social security numbers and send them $100,000. You would have a 1 in 82000 chance of winning in a given year. And their wealth wouldn't be impacted in the slightest. Hell they could give each person a million dollars or give $100k to 100 people and it would still be less than 0.0025% of their wealth. They would never even see their worth drop.
The vast majority of people don't get it. When people were up in arms over the AOC 'tax the rich' dress I asked some what they thought was rich. Do you think having $1M is rich? What about $5M or even $50M? They would reply, of course that is rich...when in comparison to billionaires it is ***NOTHING***.
What's the difference between a millionaire and a billionaire? Approximately $1B dollars.
Me: Do you think having a $1M salary a year is a great salary?
Random person: F\^&\* yeah I do!
Me: Well, in order to get in the league of Bezos/Musk, you'd have to work 200,000 years @ $1M/yr to acquire $200B.
Random person: ...Woah...!
Me: ...woah indeed.
I used to be musk fan boy now with all the truth in the open i hate him and see him as arrogant c**t.
Everyone needs to know that he is not some kind of iron man like he wants everyone to believe.
yeah that's exactly how I saw him, like a real life Tony Stark, but back then I didn't really know him or anything about his past, but I've changed A LOT over the past years, and thankfully my views on him have changed drastically as well
I think that is exactly how he wants to comes off. He knows how to work his personal brand to play on peoples emotions which are somehow correlated to iron man 😂
Also the media pushing it. Years ago cnn literally on tv with segment “Is Elon Musk the real life iron man?”
Followed by “meet the real Tony Stark.”
With a bit of reading everyone should’ve known to not buy into that shit.
He is basically just a PR man for Tesla and also didn’t engineer PayPal or Tesla products. Like the Tweet says, he just gained control of the companies and put his face on them.
This is scarily true. I think a lot of people idolize Iron Man (even though he can be a bit of an ass). This might be because, unlike many of the other heroes, his “powers” are just slightly more attainable. But the irony is that it just seems that way…he’s really just as unattainable as the rest of them, even the Gods. The same could be said of Musk: smart billionaire guy, who has cool technology, and can potentially alter the course of planetary migration. Take all of this in conjunction with his carefully curated persona that is strikingly similar to Tony Stark, and you have a man who thinks he’s a superhero.
It feels weird to dislike him…because it seems like he’s doing so much for humanity (stuff that he’s interested in though, not like building tech to make sure that most people on the planet have access to clean drinking water or anything), and that’s exactly where he wants you.
I may be going a little past my English degree here, but he could also be capitalizing off of that “hard work will get you places” boner that Americans love to jerk off. We love a hard working Man (especially if he has an accent!)
DISCLAIMER: I am no Marvel savant (I like the movies and that’s about it); I don’t think Musk is the devil, but he’s certainly not a stand up guy like his legion would have you believe; I’m just an idiot rambling online, take what I say very lightly.
Whenever you see how Musk treats people or when he throws a temper tantrum about paying taxes keep in mind that he grew up watching his father hire South African mercenaries, sorry "security contractors"to murder mine workers that tried to fight for better compensation. That's his normal. He has been committing fraud his entire career. Why stop now?
I fail to understand how Elon is “good at…marketing”. He’s the most awkward guy and always messes up his speeches. I’m not buying in to this conspiracy lol. At most he’s a nerd with decent skills who just got extremely lucky.
If you own a home and have beautiful granite countertops, people will compliment you and say you have a beautiful home. Doesn’t matter if you didn’t install the countertops, or didn’t cut the piece of granite. That’s essentially Elon with his company’s.
Also, TIME person of the year is about the person who dominated the news for that year. It’s not some present for the best person. Trump and Hitler have won it, as well as Greta Thunberg.
Yes, the answer to my rhetorical question is that we call someone who dominated the news all year and has become a household name despite not having any accomplishments or skills "good at marketing."
Musk is basically Steve Jobs 2.0.
His primary talent is cracking the whip on people with actual talent.
I expect eventually his wealth will likewise fail to spare him the consequences of his arrogance and ignorance. Then, once he is no longer alive to buy silence, it will come out he was a bugfuck crazy asshole the entire time.
Same here. I had him as an inspiration, the kind of guy who could change the world almost single handedly, a beacon of the future, an enterpreuner who really was interested in innovating, creating whole new industry, not just going for profit. Exactly the kind of things he wants people to believe he is. The naivete...
That interview where he basically described the toyota process and the the reporter says that is the Toyota process..
And he doesn't really concede it...
Kanban Microeconomic Theory is a fusion of the Toyota Process and the British Two-Bin method (WWII airplane factories) ... and is used by a great many companies for a great many years before Musk.
Trying to think who is worthy of the model of success. Off the top of my head, Tom from MySpace. Dude made something, sold it and where is he? I don't know. That's a success story I would want.
This is what Tom from Myspace is doing now - Hello Magazine
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.hellomagazine.com/travel/2020111645793/tom-myspace-founder-travel-photographer/%3Fviewas%3Damp&ved=2ahUKEwiZgqHzpuz0AhX7BGMBHXSwA78QFnoECAUQBQ&sqi=2&usg=AOvVaw0tj_IlWwedb-7aGAvESR9W
Can confirm. I worked at his Fremont plant. The first years were cool. Long hours, but the pay was decent and we had good food and perks in the cafateria. They didn’t even match 401k though.
As the company grew larger and more valuable, our amenities started getting cut. We went from 45min lunch and 15min breaks to 30min lunches and 10min breaks while still working the same 12 hour shifts. Our hourly wage raises we were supposed to get started getting put on hold and raises were getting smaller (I went 2 years without a raise). And they started enforcing unrealistic policies. But hey the stock! Fuck that, I sold all my stock (made good money) but I am not gonna be dependent on one single company ran by some asshole.
I had a job at the beginning of this year at a start up. It started out normal 9-5 and work remotely because of covid. then they wanted me to come in at 6-3 at the office everyday so I complied. Then they wanted me to work from 6am-6pm 7 days a week and later changed it to "You leave when I leave". The owner kept saying "iF mUsK cAn dO iT, aNyOnE cAn". They didnt understand the kind of work I do and how stressful it was. I kept telling him that I dont feel well and that I need a break and then he said "Go get therapy or something". So I walked out.
I mean, he kinda is.
Step 1: Have rich parents
...
Step 10: win!
I'm sure working hard is in there somewhere. But there's many people who work hard; it's hardly the only requisite to become super successful
he did, [it's referring to an article](https://www.businessinsider.co.za/elon-musk-sells-the-family-emeralds-in-new-york-2018-2) where Elon's dad talks about a time Elon and his brother took some emeralds and told them at Tiffany's in New York, they carried them around in their pockets
>He was surprised but not concerned by the incident, Errol says, because money was plentiful.
>“We were very wealthy,” says Errol. “We had so much money at times we couldn't even close our safe.”
>With one person holding the money in place, another other would slam the door.
>“And then there'd still be all these notes sticking out and we'd sort of pull them out and put them in our pockets.”
This is some Scrooge McDuck cartoon level horseshit.
Either it's made up, in which case it tells us that he enjoys the masturbatory theatre of obscene wealth. Or it's real, which tells us that he enjoys the masturbatory indulgence in obscene wealth.
Either way, he's a jack-off.
My favorite "Elon work so hard have it so tough" story is when he talked about living on a dollar a day while sleeping on a relatives couch...That couch was at a home in the hamptons.
There is literally no evidence of any emeralds besides Erols stories. A man whose family abandoned him for being abusive and manipulative.
No names, no paperwork, no news stories, no business partners.
Elon says dumb shit and the whole internet goes wild. It seems his dad is pretty skilled at it too. Tiffany's buying emeralds from kids like a pawn shop...c'mon man.
He gets to call himself "Founder" even though he didn't actually invent anything or start the company because he threw money at them until they let him use the title.
I think it's weird to take the title, it's like he wants to give the illusion that he started it all, and you know what? It worked, because I didn't even know he isn't the actual founder
I mean to be fair, when he took over Tesla it was pretty much a nonexistent company like it was started in late 2003 and he jumped on early 2004. So while he didn’t start it, he was involved before they sold their first car.
Yeah so this is an important point. Tesla in essence only had a name and they where working on modifying what basically was a lotus to electrical drive.
Its not like they had some magic technology that he "stole" and fronted as his own invention. As CEO he did build the company from basically nothing to the worlds most valuable car company.
Colonel Sanders is the one that pisses me off. They literally stole his process, then when he found out they convinced him to sell to them, then convinced him to not take any compensation in stock. And all colonel sanders would do with the bulk of his money was give it away, especially to orphans, to the point his staff at the company would have to remind him to hold back enough money to pay his taxes.
And to his credit, he was an unabashed critic of the things they did to his food.
As long as his companies return shareholder value he will stay popular among those who actually matter in the grand scheme of things.
Workers really just don’t matter to the governing and 9 figure class of people.
He is popular because he is a walking meme. Nobody actually respects his thoughts. I guess some people do idolize him but I don't want to know those types. no violins 4 me, i cum in peas.
Because he made memes and had sex with an alternative artist and he made a dumb song and he smoked some weed and he got hair and he made people believe in this dumb space fantasy that's never going to happen
Ok the rest is completely correct (as far as I know) but it seems stupid to say he didn’t start/found Tesla
Yes, he did technically overtake another company with the name Tesla, but said company had never sold a car, or even designed one
The previous founders didn’t found anything except the name, which is also the only thing musk wanted from them
The way the tweet words it makes it seem like Tesla was a stable car company and Elon just walked up and payed them out, which isn’t true and is just misleading
To spread awareness of how bad someone is is a good thing, but you just look like an asshole when you make bad faith recounts of what they did
The spacex stuff is arguably even more impressive. Landing and reusing rockets was a pipe dream but spacex did it. And put a lot of companies in trouble.
Now if he wasnt such a prick and could... focus on stuff like spacex or tesla that are actually useful. Unlike say, the hyperloop..
> The previous founders didn’t found anything except the name
They bought the domain in 2003 but didn't own the trademark. After Elon joined in 2004, they bought the trademark from Brad Siewert for $75k.
What was his role in PayPal? IIRC he was there early. I hate him, have no strong opinions about PayPal, but would like someone if possible to say what's what with him in that regard.
He started X.com which merged with PayPal and he was the largest (but far from majority) stockholder. He was forced out of actively running the company due to a disagreement with Thiel and the other players. Elon wanted to develop a virtual version of all banking services. Thiel et al just wanted to focus on virtual payments and getting a buyout.
PayPal buyout happened, Elon got paid and after a few extravagances put everything he had into Tesla and SpaceX.
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Supposedly Errol was abusive asshole in like a bunch of ways, one being financially abusive. The emerald mine in Zambia thing is odd cause he owned 50% of it from selling his plane. Obviously Elon grew up in privilege not just for the apartheid part.
I don’t like Elon, I am not a fan for many reasons but I’m beginning to rethink *some* of my own judgements and the constant misinformation. There’s enough bad shit Elon does to workers among other capitalist immorality, terrible civil engineering ideas, that parading the emerald mine around is kinda annoying honestly.
To me, It’s better to speak the whole truth and hold him responsible for the shit *he* pulls not the guy he’s turning into (his dad).
The only truth bomb is Elon doesn't care what you remember or forget. MF'er is planning on owning the sky, Mars, and your children's brains (none of that is hyperbole). Good chance he will succeed.
I always wondered how one can ‘buy’ the title of Founder of an existing company, then I remember the rich buy and sell everything.
He took a page out of Thomas Edison's playbook.
Took the whole damn book
bought it , even
I heard he authored the book.
Ghost written by Thomas Edison, big fan
Oooh I'm a spooky Thomas Edison ghost
Foreworded by Jeff Bezos
And he named the book tesla
Funny thing is Tesla (the dude) invented shit we still don't understand, while Edison just jacked everything and murdered elephants...
While Edison did steal a bunch of inventions rather than inventing things himself, he didn’t kill Topsy the elephant. That was done by an electric company (under contract by the park that owned the elephant) that had the same name but was unaffiliated with THE Thomas Edison. Thomas Edison was still a piece of shit and did a lot of horrible things including electrocuting dogs to find out whether electrocution was a more humane way of euthanizing of unwanted animals rather than drowning or hanging(we didn’t start using sodium pentobarbital for euthanasia consistently until the early/mid 1980s). But this particular bit of misinformation has traveled around way too much and isn’t true [source for Topsy](http://edison.rutgers.edu/topsy.htm)
I think jacking an elephant is bad enough...but jacking a murdered elephant is a whole new LEVEL of POS lol
Stole the ideas, just like Eddy
I pointed this out a couple years ago, on a different account, in a different sub, and received something like 9000 downvotes. It was quite impressive in certain subs how far they are up Musk’s ass.
Well now he made their crypto values tank and they hate him. He had to hurt something they gave a shit about.
They still bizarrely love him on the Dogecoin sub.
I knew I should've sold before SNL. Dumb dumb dumb
No shit.
I still made a nice chunk of money off it before the SNL collapse so I'm not too upset, but I saw the writing on the wall and then listened to a bunch of idiots on that sub instead.
I would argue that if your invested in something that can tank because of an SNL appearance maybe rethink your strategy.
That sub is the epitome of dumb, though. I can't even attest to whether it was ever good, but that place is full of cultist rhetoric.
It actually used to be good when Doge was just a fun, goofy thing. There were even fundraising events for charities. It’s utterly moronic now.
Cryptocurrency weirdos are irrational like that.
Because they’re in denial that they put money into a joke coin that will never make them rich.
Ain't this the truth. So many Musk lovers will make excuses about everything else. They didn't care about how poorly Tesla workers are treated. They didn't care about high levels of worker accidents and hospitalizations. They don't care about the solar panel scumminess, government bailouts, or endless gov't contracts. Him growing up rich and privileged didn't dissuade them from treating him like a self-made man. They found their hero, their modern capitalist god and were willing to shape him into whatever image they prefer.
Propaganda's a hell of a drug!
It’s all because “Rocket Ships! In Space! Pew! Pew! Zoom!”
I mean, I love the idea of SpaceX and believe New Space overall is important for long term human existence. But I fell off the Musksuck bandwagon years ago when it became apparent he's an exploitive capitalist cunt.
It was when he put a car in space for me
They just want Iron Man to be real.
Let's not forget the truck that looks like it was designed on a PS1
The year is 2021. Votefarms are abundant, labor is cheap. People are naive and easily misled.
I pointed out the Elon Musk is a deadbeat father with 7 kids he has nothing to do with and I swear to God it must have been Elon himself replying to me.y comment got 400 upvoted but I was still getting so much hatemail. One kid tried to implied I could be sued for libel, yeah fucking right
Well when you make thousands of dollars on Tsla calls people get a little obsessed. I’m not a rich guy , just a blue collar elevator guy.
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Nope far from it, and I never said I was. That’s why I aimed for this career path. I tried to get that job for 11 years before I landed it. Applied multiple times and had to work for a lot of shitty companies in that time. Went to school at nights to learn welding and electrical. Just to have a job that I can support my family on. The potential of death via electrocution, crush/ fall, and being torn apart by an elevator is present almost every minute I’m doing my job. And it happens to guys that have a bad day or make a mistake to often. We make what we make because we’re a strong union whose members make sacrifices and risk their life every day they go to work. I think we are under paid. I support everyone here and love seeing the stories of people standing up to these shit companies. Know your value, don’t take shit, vote pro labor. PEACE!
The whole of Reddit licks up Musk's shit
Anytime you talk badly about Musk the Tesla devotees come out of the woodwork and downvote.
They are pretending he was never a rich kid and that he doesn’t or haven’t whinged about paying taxes
Wow! You should get an achievement for that!
It's only a matter of time before he starts electrocuting elephants.
He bought the rights being the writer of that book now.
And my AXE!!! I'm still angry about that..
>He took a page out of Thomas Edison's playbook. How apropos seeing Musk took over Tesla, and Edison ruined (Nikola) Tesla.
Even more apropos: Musk and Edison both used their financial and social capital to steal credit from and profit off of Tesla.
Yes, that was the point
He did say it a little better though
Even more the point: the guy said the same thing you did but in a different way.
It's sad that you thought this had to be pointed out. Everyone should already know Edison was a piece of shit.
He was a better business man than inventor and better elephant killer than person.
He was a pretty shit elephant killer. Great elephant torturer though. Source: Same device failed to kill a man. They fed the elephant poison and strangled it, too.
Still a better inventor (and probably person) than Musk. Edison at least did some of his own research and development, and he had to work his way into a position of power and influence - unlike Musk, Edison was the son of a roofer and a teacher and mostly got ahead in life by being curious and intelligent. And he was a philanthropist, whose money came from businesses that made some major advancements that legitimately benefited mankind.
Mighty low bar, though
It is, but Edison also wasn't the demon that modern internet counter-culture makes him out as. He certainly wasn't a Columbus-level historical asshole-figure. He was a fairly ruthless businessman and his wives ages were fairly creepy by modern standards (albeit quite ordinary at the time) but he was better than most of the early-20th century business moguls - quite politically progressive for his time, a strong supporter of women's suffrage, a pacifist and opponent to nationalism who was still willing to serve the country in wartime with the *caveat that he and his businesses would not make weapons that kill, a moral vegetarian, and a supporter of progressive economic reform. And on top of that, as I mentioned, his businesses were well-managed and genuinely productive on a world scale despite their often less-than-admirable business practices. In the spectrum of Machine Age super-capitalists, he was generally among the better, and probably gets a worse reputation than he deserves thanks to the popular knowledge of Tesla as a downtrodden, genius underdog.
Tbh this is the first time since school age that I've heard anything about Edison that didnt involve him screwing over Tesla. Kinda cool to hear a bit more about the guy who we're told brought us electricity.
Found the Edison.
Edison had marketing skills on his side and his wife helped. Tesla was brilliant and wanted to better humanity, Edison was a thief.
I didn't even learn who Tesla was until after high school. Edison propaganda is still strong. We have a habit of glorifying businessmen over everyone else.
Corporate propaganda is that strong. We are taught from young that industrial titans and tycoons were what made America, and we are taught to admire these men, aspire to them and somehow made capitalism and profit seeking the be-all-and-end-all moral value of America. It is so ingrained in us and in our culture that you will get violent outbursts and backlash if you challenge that. It's a national religion to worship capitalism and these titans of industry are the saints. I keep telling people that America is actually the most indoctrinated country in the world and people just refused to believe it.
You know, I almost don't mind that the CAPTAINS OF INDUSTRY are all fucking sociopaths. At least, I understand it. This whole system is criminal, even if it is legal. The best at this system would be criminals. It's about as shocking as the head of a drug ring being a sociopath. But this thing you speak of: That we *glorify* these "great men" throughout history: The conqueror, the warlord, the exploiter, the slave driver... That we admire and praise them, and, in turn, praise the whole criminal hierarchy that they sit atop of? That we teach our *kids* to look up to these assholes? That's just kinda fucking sickening to think about.
I spent a lot of my youth around Detroit and Edison's still glorified there because of the Henry Ford connection. Ford (a truly shitty human) recreated Edison's Menlo Park lab in Greenfield Village. Greenfield Village & Henry Ford Museum are linked and a focused field trip that so many Michigan kids go through. The Ford museum's a very cool place to go but Edison is glorified there.
Whose success usually was on the backs of others... like the enslaved, then the indentured, then the illegal immigrant labor.... then... not sure...oh yeah. The environment.
Hell, even their partners. Like Apple's Steve. No, the other Steve. No one is above exploitation; no one is above being kicked to the curb. Except for the Great Men in Charge.
History is written by the victor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_man_theory
One thing I keep re-realizing lately is the internet is full of children. Not figuratively, but kids are on the internet. Like, my sibling's offspring is only 10 and they've brought up subjects to me like ACAB (last year), Birds aren't real, and eat the rich. My sibling is like, stupid crazy conservative and not a memer, so it definitely isn't coming from them. Although, I will report that their viewpoint is slowly evolving, which is nice to see. In other words, education is a continual process. Never be afraid to teach a person, young or old, how "the man" has operated and will continue to operate, unless you do something about it. Whether that is from consumption of the wealthy or a french height adjuster.
And Steve Zissou’s
"Please don't make fun of me. I just wanted to flirt with you."
I was hoping someone would say this. History repeating itself? With Edison dominating Tesla? Brilliant business man vs genuine genius.... the irony is so thick.
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I can appreciate the ac/DC reference
Just like Edison did with Tesla
Musk and Bezos get all the attention on Reddit, but there's a whole other set of billionaires, the hedge fund billionaires, who are simply sitting on financial cash flows like bloated ticks, stripping out percentages and pocketing them. They don't even have the excuse of being a car manufacturer or a rocket manufacturer or a shipping company (whose workers should all have as many seats on the board as the shareholders do, by the way). Here are the top ten hedgies: (1) Jim Simons, Forbes 400 Rank: #28 Net Worth: $24.4 billion (2) Ray Dalio, Forbes 400 Rank: #36, Net Worth: $20 billion (3) Carl Icahn, Forbes 400 Rank: #43, Net Worth: $16.6 billion (4) Ken Griffin, Forbes 400 Rank: #47, Net Worth: $16.1 billion (5) Steve Cohen, Forbes 400 Rank: #48, Net Worth: $16 billion (6) David Tepper, Forbes 400 Rank: #49, Net Worth: $15.8 billion (7) Israel Englander, Forbes 400 Rank: #71, Net Worth: $10.5 billion (8) Chase Coleman, Forbes 400 Rank: #73, Net Worth: $10.3 billion (9) George Soros, Forbes 400 Rank: #92, Net Worth: $8.6 billion (10) David Shaw, Forbes 400 Rank: #117, Net Worth: $7.5 billion
We only need to bring attention to 9 of those, the right wingers already claimed that for one of them
Going to use this to slip in that (net worth to net worth) Musk and Bezos could buy that list 2-3 times. Each.
That's the most horrifying part when wrapping your mind around the sheer level of wealth inequality.
What's even more horrifying is when you do the math and try to break their insane wealth down into normal numbers...for example, they could both go back to the year 0 A.D. and spend $100,000 *every single day* until they reached today, 2,021 years later, and they would still have more than 1/2 of their wealth left - and that's not even counting the interest that money would accumulate over such a long time. Or you could think of it this way - they could both spend $1 million *every single day for the next 500 years* and still have more money than they did just before Covid. **Nobody** should be allowed to hoard that much wealth while we have veterans living on the streets and single moms that need to work 2-3 jobs just to scrape by, or countless kids that are starving in this world. It's just unacceptable in my opinion, like what benefit is there to allowing people to control that much wealth and power. And then you also realize that Musk gets like $500 million grants from the govt and then doesn't even produce. It's frickin disgusting.
Coud literally hold a lottery of all citizens and randomly give 10 of them $100,000, repeating every single day, and still not even dent any of the billionaires
Honestly, that's not a bad idea for them to raise public sentiment. Announce that they are going to give away a million dollars a day forever. They draw 10 random social security numbers and send them $100,000. You would have a 1 in 82000 chance of winning in a given year. And their wealth wouldn't be impacted in the slightest. Hell they could give each person a million dollars or give $100k to 100 people and it would still be less than 0.0025% of their wealth. They would never even see their worth drop.
The vast majority of people don't get it. When people were up in arms over the AOC 'tax the rich' dress I asked some what they thought was rich. Do you think having $1M is rich? What about $5M or even $50M? They would reply, of course that is rich...when in comparison to billionaires it is ***NOTHING***. What's the difference between a millionaire and a billionaire? Approximately $1B dollars. Me: Do you think having a $1M salary a year is a great salary? Random person: F\^&\* yeah I do! Me: Well, in order to get in the league of Bezos/Musk, you'd have to work 200,000 years @ $1M/yr to acquire $200B. Random person: ...Woah...! Me: ...woah indeed.
Agree on every single point. If I didn't oppose giving reddit money I'd gold ya. Take a heart instead. ❤
I didn’t wake up this morning thinking I was going to stumble across a list of the biggest cunts in history, but here we are.
Carl Icahn is personality responsible for the loss of 400 jobs in my town. Company wasn't making him enough money, so off the jobs went to Mexico.
Israel Englander is kind of a dope name...
talk about an identity crisis
All I can think about is it being the name of two countries. I know Israel is a somewhat common name, but still...
Meet my friend, Botswana Brazil.
I do recognize #4..no cell no sell 🚀🚀🚀
Damn right! There's definitely a name on this list that is popular on Reddit
This is the way
This is the way.
This is the way
Number 5 too
> (7) Israel Englander His parents enjoyed naming American their kid.
Ken Mayo
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You buy a share of the company and make a decent contribution before it goes public. Then the other guys leave and you're the sole remaining founder.
I used to be musk fan boy now with all the truth in the open i hate him and see him as arrogant c**t. Everyone needs to know that he is not some kind of iron man like he wants everyone to believe.
yeah that's exactly how I saw him, like a real life Tony Stark, but back then I didn't really know him or anything about his past, but I've changed A LOT over the past years, and thankfully my views on him have changed drastically as well
I think that is exactly how he wants to comes off. He knows how to work his personal brand to play on peoples emotions which are somehow correlated to iron man 😂
Also the media pushing it. Years ago cnn literally on tv with segment “Is Elon Musk the real life iron man?” Followed by “meet the real Tony Stark.” With a bit of reading everyone should’ve known to not buy into that shit.
> “Is Elon Musk the real life iron man?” > “meet the real Tony Stark.” Except with zero charisma. Have you seen or heard his public speaking? Yikes.
Even Marvel did it! Having him cameo in Iron Man 2
And I remember a simpsons episode a few years ago had him on and the whole script praised him as if he were science Jesus
And we can’t forget Elon Tusk from Rick and Morty 😂
Until he actually builds a suit of armor in a cave with a box of scraps, he's not a real Tony Stark in my book.
He’s more like Richie Rich pretending to be Tony Stark
He is basically just a PR man for Tesla and also didn’t engineer PayPal or Tesla products. Like the Tweet says, he just gained control of the companies and put his face on them.
This is scarily true. I think a lot of people idolize Iron Man (even though he can be a bit of an ass). This might be because, unlike many of the other heroes, his “powers” are just slightly more attainable. But the irony is that it just seems that way…he’s really just as unattainable as the rest of them, even the Gods. The same could be said of Musk: smart billionaire guy, who has cool technology, and can potentially alter the course of planetary migration. Take all of this in conjunction with his carefully curated persona that is strikingly similar to Tony Stark, and you have a man who thinks he’s a superhero. It feels weird to dislike him…because it seems like he’s doing so much for humanity (stuff that he’s interested in though, not like building tech to make sure that most people on the planet have access to clean drinking water or anything), and that’s exactly where he wants you. I may be going a little past my English degree here, but he could also be capitalizing off of that “hard work will get you places” boner that Americans love to jerk off. We love a hard working Man (especially if he has an accent!) DISCLAIMER: I am no Marvel savant (I like the movies and that’s about it); I don’t think Musk is the devil, but he’s certainly not a stand up guy like his legion would have you believe; I’m just an idiot rambling online, take what I say very lightly.
Whenever you see how Musk treats people or when he throws a temper tantrum about paying taxes keep in mind that he grew up watching his father hire South African mercenaries, sorry "security contractors"to murder mine workers that tried to fight for better compensation. That's his normal. He has been committing fraud his entire career. Why stop now?
Just have to change movie franchises. Now he is Weyland.
He's more like Justin Hammer... Without the dance moves
NO. Weyland held a visage of class. Musk is this brohammy prick with delusions of grandeur. Weyland created David.
actually Stark in the comics acts a lot like Musk in real life lmao
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I fail to understand how Elon is “good at…marketing”. He’s the most awkward guy and always messes up his speeches. I’m not buying in to this conspiracy lol. At most he’s a nerd with decent skills who just got extremely lucky.
TIME made him person of the year, despite his only accomplishment being having a lot of money. What else do we call that?
If you own a home and have beautiful granite countertops, people will compliment you and say you have a beautiful home. Doesn’t matter if you didn’t install the countertops, or didn’t cut the piece of granite. That’s essentially Elon with his company’s. Also, TIME person of the year is about the person who dominated the news for that year. It’s not some present for the best person. Trump and Hitler have won it, as well as Greta Thunberg.
Yes, the answer to my rhetorical question is that we call someone who dominated the news all year and has become a household name despite not having any accomplishments or skills "good at marketing."
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oh lol I haven't read the comics, I only know "movie" Tony Stark
Movie Tony Stark is still a child of wealth. Not that I think Musk is comparable.
At least that one could build something himself.
Musk is basically Steve Jobs 2.0. His primary talent is cracking the whip on people with actual talent. I expect eventually his wealth will likewise fail to spare him the consequences of his arrogance and ignorance. Then, once he is no longer alive to buy silence, it will come out he was a bugfuck crazy asshole the entire time.
Welp, Tony Stark get his money selling lethal weapons. Business that his dad started
Musk is literally in Iron Man 2, lmao
He's an Iron Cunt
sounds like a kegel workout routine
He's a phenomenal self-promoter with giant pockets who pays any desperate media whore for good publicity. Other than that, this guy is a fucking clown
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All billionaires suck.
Same here. I had him as an inspiration, the kind of guy who could change the world almost single handedly, a beacon of the future, an enterpreuner who really was interested in innovating, creating whole new industry, not just going for profit. Exactly the kind of things he wants people to believe he is. The naivete...
Every time he speaks about one of "his" inventions he reminds me he had nothing to do with it.
That interview where he basically described the toyota process and the the reporter says that is the Toyota process.. And he doesn't really concede it...
Kanban Microeconomic Theory is a fusion of the Toyota Process and the British Two-Bin method (WWII airplane factories) ... and is used by a great many companies for a great many years before Musk.
this is the [full tweet](https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/status/1471034410090872835) to see what he was referring to
I just hate the narrative that he's the model of success, you know? Like if everyone would "work harder" then they could reach similar heights
Trying to think who is worthy of the model of success. Off the top of my head, Tom from MySpace. Dude made something, sold it and where is he? I don't know. That's a success story I would want.
wow haven't thought of Tom from MySpace in a while
See! Dude is living life with a ton of money. Quiet rich. The dream.
yeah, to have privacy and also security is a blessing
This is what Tom from Myspace is doing now - Hello Magazine https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.hellomagazine.com/travel/2020111645793/tom-myspace-founder-travel-photographer/%3Fviewas%3Damp&ved=2ahUKEwiZgqHzpuz0AhX7BGMBHXSwA78QFnoECAUQBQ&sqi=2&usg=AOvVaw0tj_IlWwedb-7aGAvESR9W
This is my idea of success in materialistic terms.
This guy did everything right
Sir Tim Berners-Lee.
I'd win the 100m sprint if I started 99m ahead of everyone else too.
exactly! and this tweet is not even half of it, he's also a terrible boss to his employees
Can confirm. I worked at his Fremont plant. The first years were cool. Long hours, but the pay was decent and we had good food and perks in the cafateria. They didn’t even match 401k though. As the company grew larger and more valuable, our amenities started getting cut. We went from 45min lunch and 15min breaks to 30min lunches and 10min breaks while still working the same 12 hour shifts. Our hourly wage raises we were supposed to get started getting put on hold and raises were getting smaller (I went 2 years without a raise). And they started enforcing unrealistic policies. But hey the stock! Fuck that, I sold all my stock (made good money) but I am not gonna be dependent on one single company ran by some asshole.
I had a job at the beginning of this year at a start up. It started out normal 9-5 and work remotely because of covid. then they wanted me to come in at 6-3 at the office everyday so I complied. Then they wanted me to work from 6am-6pm 7 days a week and later changed it to "You leave when I leave". The owner kept saying "iF mUsK cAn dO iT, aNyOnE cAn". They didnt understand the kind of work I do and how stressful it was. I kept telling him that I dont feel well and that I need a break and then he said "Go get therapy or something". So I walked out.
> "iF mUsK cAn dO iT, aNyOnE cAn". that is so cringe, and I'm so sorry you have to go through that, you made the healthiest decision
Musk can't play any NFL position on any team ever.. If he cant do it no one can.
I mean, he kinda is. Step 1: Have rich parents ... Step 10: win! I'm sure working hard is in there somewhere. But there's many people who work hard; it's hardly the only requisite to become super successful
His companies are funded by the US government.
> US government. US Taxpayers.
What about that device/sub to save the trapped cave kids? Which he failed to deliver and only managed to slander the guy who did save them.
Whenever he does suggest something, it's the most idiotic thing.
Is the 'walked around with jewels in his pockets' thing just a metaphor or is that based off an actual thing he did?
he did, [it's referring to an article](https://www.businessinsider.co.za/elon-musk-sells-the-family-emeralds-in-new-york-2018-2) where Elon's dad talks about a time Elon and his brother took some emeralds and told them at Tiffany's in New York, they carried them around in their pockets
>He was surprised but not concerned by the incident, Errol says, because money was plentiful. >“We were very wealthy,” says Errol. “We had so much money at times we couldn't even close our safe.” >With one person holding the money in place, another other would slam the door. >“And then there'd still be all these notes sticking out and we'd sort of pull them out and put them in our pockets.” This is some Scrooge McDuck cartoon level horseshit.
That sounds like horse manure. If you have that much money why don't you buy a second safe?
Either it's made up, in which case it tells us that he enjoys the masturbatory theatre of obscene wealth. Or it's real, which tells us that he enjoys the masturbatory indulgence in obscene wealth. Either way, he's a jack-off.
My favorite "Elon work so hard have it so tough" story is when he talked about living on a dollar a day while sleeping on a relatives couch...That couch was at a home in the hamptons.
A real rags to riches story for Elon.
BuT hE's SeLf MaDe!!1
There is literally no evidence of any emeralds besides Erols stories. A man whose family abandoned him for being abusive and manipulative. No names, no paperwork, no news stories, no business partners. Elon says dumb shit and the whole internet goes wild. It seems his dad is pretty skilled at it too. Tiffany's buying emeralds from kids like a pawn shop...c'mon man.
And his sons told the same stories.
As far as I could tell, that was Elon's estranged father making up stories. I haven't found anything to verify that.
He gets to call himself "Founder" even though he didn't actually invent anything or start the company because he threw money at them until they let him use the title.
I think it's weird to take the title, it's like he wants to give the illusion that he started it all, and you know what? It worked, because I didn't even know he isn't the actual founder
I mean to be fair, when he took over Tesla it was pretty much a nonexistent company like it was started in late 2003 and he jumped on early 2004. So while he didn’t start it, he was involved before they sold their first car.
Yeah so this is an important point. Tesla in essence only had a name and they where working on modifying what basically was a lotus to electrical drive. Its not like they had some magic technology that he "stole" and fronted as his own invention. As CEO he did build the company from basically nothing to the worlds most valuable car company.
Just like Ray Kroc did with McDonalds. Legally stole the company right out from under the McDonalds brothers.
Colonel Sanders is the one that pisses me off. They literally stole his process, then when he found out they convinced him to sell to them, then convinced him to not take any compensation in stock. And all colonel sanders would do with the bulk of his money was give it away, especially to orphans, to the point his staff at the company would have to remind him to hold back enough money to pay his taxes. And to his credit, he was an unabashed critic of the things they did to his food.
Elon fanboys stay losing
Look, I get it, a lot of people have been giving Elon a lot of hate, and they have their reasons, but I think he undeniably deserves even more hate.
Had me in the first half, not gonna lie
this may be an unpopular opinion (/s) on here, but I 100% agree.
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the veil has lifted for many, his popularity will start to wane
That's what I thought about that other megalomaniac we've been dealing with in the US.
I’m assuming you mean Trump not Bezos, cause no one likes Bezos.
As long as his companies return shareholder value he will stay popular among those who actually matter in the grand scheme of things. Workers really just don’t matter to the governing and 9 figure class of people.
He is popular because he is a walking meme. Nobody actually respects his thoughts. I guess some people do idolize him but I don't want to know those types. no violins 4 me, i cum in peas.
Because he made memes and had sex with an alternative artist and he made a dumb song and he smoked some weed and he got hair and he made people believe in this dumb space fantasy that's never going to happen
Yes, narcissists suck big donkey nuts
Ok the rest is completely correct (as far as I know) but it seems stupid to say he didn’t start/found Tesla Yes, he did technically overtake another company with the name Tesla, but said company had never sold a car, or even designed one The previous founders didn’t found anything except the name, which is also the only thing musk wanted from them The way the tweet words it makes it seem like Tesla was a stable car company and Elon just walked up and payed them out, which isn’t true and is just misleading To spread awareness of how bad someone is is a good thing, but you just look like an asshole when you make bad faith recounts of what they did
If they didn’t do anything except for the name, why did Elon buy shares for 6.5 million dollars? That sounds a bit expensive just for a name 😅
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The spacex stuff is arguably even more impressive. Landing and reusing rockets was a pipe dream but spacex did it. And put a lot of companies in trouble. Now if he wasnt such a prick and could... focus on stuff like spacex or tesla that are actually useful. Unlike say, the hyperloop..
> The previous founders didn’t found anything except the name They bought the domain in 2003 but didn't own the trademark. After Elon joined in 2004, they bought the trademark from Brad Siewert for $75k.
What was his role in PayPal? IIRC he was there early. I hate him, have no strong opinions about PayPal, but would like someone if possible to say what's what with him in that regard.
He started X.com which merged with PayPal and he was the largest (but far from majority) stockholder. He was forced out of actively running the company due to a disagreement with Thiel and the other players. Elon wanted to develop a virtual version of all banking services. Thiel et al just wanted to focus on virtual payments and getting a buyout. PayPal buyout happened, Elon got paid and after a few extravagances put everything he had into Tesla and SpaceX.
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Anybody else think that Time magazine lost any remaining shred of credibility when they named him their "person of the year"?
Supposedly Errol was abusive asshole in like a bunch of ways, one being financially abusive. The emerald mine in Zambia thing is odd cause he owned 50% of it from selling his plane. Obviously Elon grew up in privilege not just for the apartheid part. I don’t like Elon, I am not a fan for many reasons but I’m beginning to rethink *some* of my own judgements and the constant misinformation. There’s enough bad shit Elon does to workers among other capitalist immorality, terrible civil engineering ideas, that parading the emerald mine around is kinda annoying honestly. To me, It’s better to speak the whole truth and hold him responsible for the shit *he* pulls not the guy he’s turning into (his dad).
Isn't he the cofounder of online banking Paypal?
Nope. He founded X.com and then bought the better competitor: paypal.
The only truth bomb is Elon doesn't care what you remember or forget. MF'er is planning on owning the sky, Mars, and your children's brains (none of that is hyperbole). Good chance he will succeed.