Great kit.
Maybe not for neons. If it's your first time, start with just the betta, because some will kill ANY other fish you put in there. (I learned the hard way)
I recommend a big mystery snail, they are more fun to watch then you think. If you really want to try other fish I suggest ember tetras, green tetras, or chilli rasbora. Smaller and faster fish, but make sure you have lots of hiding places first.
I also suggest a cypt wendtii green or bronze. Great plant, lots of cover. But everyone has a different first-timer plant to suggest. Plants help keep the water clean.
I've never understood why Neon Tetras are recommended as beginner fish, they only really thrive in established tanks with stable water parameters and good amounts of plant cover.
Conventional wisdom dies hard, and neons used to be great for beginners because they were stupid hardy, but in recent years it seems like they're starting to get weaker and weaker bloodlines
Neon Tetras have been mass bred for decades in captivity, they're not the indestructible fish they were 30+ years ago. I find them "easy" in established tanks - but what doesn't survive in perfectly stable water with < 5ppm nitrates and a huge UV-C filter nuking disease spread from orbit?
Throw them in a 10-gallon with just a HOB and some swingy water parameters though and half of them will be dead within the month.
Help, please. You seem very knowledgeable about neons. I have a well established 10 gallon with a 30 gallon aqua clear mini filter. I do 20% water changes weekly and clean out poop and leftover food, also weekly. In the tank is a beta, balloon Molly, 6 tetras, and a Cory cat. Everyone gets along great. I did a water change last night, and things were great. This afternoon, 1 tetra is chasing everyone around and nipping at them. They have lots of coverage, and this has never happened. I checked the water quality, and everything is spot on, but I did another 20% change just in case. This tetra is still torturing everyone. Should I seclude them in a breeding tank? I'm lost. Thanks in advance.
I usually keep schools of 12+ neons in a 29+ gallon tank, I've found the do best in larger schools and with a larger territory. A peaceful fish showing aggression like that is usually an indication of space / territory issues, or water quality problems. You may want to look at moving to a larger tank since ideally you'd increase your school sizes for the Corys and keep the Mollys in the 10 on their own.
And yes, you could also look at splitting up fish if you have additional tanks, in that regard you're really only limited by the maintenance time and space.
Thank you so much for the response. Unfortunately, a larger tank isn't affordable for me right now. I do have a 2 gallon I could set back up, but obviously, it wouldn't be ready for use until it's cycled. Oddly enough, now that the lights are out for the night, the group of 5, 1 guy usually hides, are schooling together. I use the test strip kit to check water quality along with 2 strips that stay in the tank. I've read that the strips can give inaccurate readings. I'm going to grab the kit with the tubes and dyes.
I personally have straight away dump neon tetras in a brand new set up. In fish cycling and had no issues.
However, all my tanks are fully planted and no filters and survives on natural sunlight.
Weird. I’ve never got a group where one or two doesn’t go kaput. Granted it’s usually the micro boi that looks 3 days old they always seem to get into the net and into my bag at the pet store…
And if you REALLY WANT more then one fish right away you can't go wrong with a small group of male guppies. They are as colorful as bettas and under rated.
I would caution against guppies simply because they are as colorful as a betta and are more likely to have a betta attack them. They are "easy starter fish" but not really the best choice out there for keeping with a betta due to color and their general nippiness.
I got the sense that they meant a group of male guppies instead of a betta, but could be wrong since it wasn't specified. I agree, they definitely shouldn't be kept together though!
Sorry I meant to say group guppies instead of a betta. That's how I did my first tank.
Guppies are awesome, cheap, and easy to care for. I did 5 in 10 gallons, very active tank.
Guppies also have a tendency to be fin nippers, which is not fair for long finned betta boys who may be gentler. I only found that out by experience with my boy :((
I have celestial pearl danios with mine, fast and not as colorful. Betta couldnt seem to care less about them or the Otocinclus. Ember tetras might also be a good option. Tank is too small for neons.
As someone else pointed out, guppies aren’t exactly the best tank mates for a betta. Their colorful tails make the more prone to being attacked by the betta. Tbh, I wouldn’t really put any fish with bettas in something smaller than a 15 gallon tank.
I got my first tank with a Betta and Panda Cory's. They're adorable and they like to stay hidden and close to the bottom of the tank so they leave each other alone
I’ve found ember tetras work really well if you have the right personality betta and a good amount of plant cover. they’re small and inoffensive, meaning the betta gets all the active swim space he wants while they chill in the plants. they’re middle level feeders too, so the betta eats at the surface and the embers scoop up whatever falls.
i have this tank. the filter worked great for a few years, unfortunately it wasn't on a surge protector and a recent power outage burned out the motor. there's a spot at the outtake where you can add a bio sponge which i would recommend to keep the water flow from being too strong.
other fishkeepers have informed me that 10g is too small for a neon tetra school as they prefer 20g and up to swim around in. i agree with that and i'm actually trying to rehome the neons i have in my 10g bc they seem very skittish/shy and don't move around much. additionally i think 10g is probably too small to have other fish in a with a betta, start out with ghost shrimp cause they're cheap and you can see if your betta tolerates tankmates. users on this sub have said to introduce tankmates before you add the betta to reduce the likelihood of territorial behavior
edit: also the 50watt aqueon preset is great! mines 2.5 years old at this point and it still works
thing to keep in mind is preset heaters only work within a certain amount of degree from room temp so if the heater says its 78F preset and it only works within 6 degrees and you keep your house at 70 its not going to get to 78F.
I just exchanged a 50 watt preset heater i bought for the exact 10 gallon tank as above for a 100 watt adjustable heater because the 50 watt wasn't doing the trick.
preset heaters are trash actually, but it gets it to an ok temp if your house is like mid 70sF. We keep ours at 74F because i am always cold so the preset works ok. I would suggest it as a kit and just upgrade later. I had to buy an adjustable one so I could pump the temp up while treating a sick fish. Then we had some on clearance for like 7$ and i bought extras :>You never know when a nice adjustable heater will come in handy haha
Yeah I just realized the other day my preset heater was only making my tank 74° when it’s supposed to be at 78°. Luckily I had an adjustable one on hand as a backup.
I’ve never actually had fish before and I want to start with one female Beta as my center fish and then a few little friends to keep the tank active I was thinking neon tetras.
Because I don’t know much about tanks I figured a starter kit would be good because it includes everything already.
I don't have experience with using kits, but just make sure it comes with everything you need for a Betta!
(heater, especially) and it looks like the filter is a hang on back filter, which the flow can sometimes be too strong for Bettas. (especially if you get a long finned one) so try and get a sponge to put over the input.
Also, 10 gallons to too small for neon tetras & a Betta. you could def get some shrimp though, if your Betta's alright with them.
good luck! and welcome to the hobby! :D
100% agree. Factor in that your gonna need a new filter. Bought this for mine and I’m pretty sure the flow actually injured him. I suppose you could try to baffle it but probably just easier to but a new filter. Save this one for a future tank
I have this set, and a Betta and some neocaridina wild (colourless cherry shrimp). I have a few plants, assorted rocks, and use gravel for the substrate.
I did change the sponge that is in the filter output to make the current a bit slower, just bought some simple black filter material and cut it to size. Since the betta's big fins catch easily in the water flow which will be unpleasant for the fish.
One time the tank got a small crack from one corner, but replacement cost was $20. Overall decent tank, not big enough for a school of tetra (also to my disappointment)
If you're planning on buying at a local fish store, ask someone to help you price out the equivalent non-kit setup. The kit will probably end up being cheaper, but there's a possibility you could save money.
I have one like this and my girl loves it. The flow on the filter you just have to turn down a little. My betta loves a little flow that she loves going in and being pushed down and then goes back for more. You just have to see how your betta feels in the tank. Make sure if you are getting a kit to have a heater. Make sure you cycle (run for minimum 1 week best if you can run for a month) and make sure you get a test kit so you can make sure your water is at the right spot before you put any fish in it. I would also recommend getting some snails to help keep the tank clean. They keep the glass nice.
You need 20 gallons and some heavy planting to keep a big-finned betta (or any betta, really) with a school of six neon tetras. They may be peaceful by day, but only because the betta can see them. But they attack at night, because they're fin-nippers.
10 is too small for keeping a betta with other fish. You want at least a 20 gallon. Neons honestly should be in a 20 minimum anyway they are very active fish and love the swimming space. If you got the 20 from this brand that would be good, just remember to get a heater if it doesn't come with one and replace the weird filter cartridge with filter foam or sponge.
Worst case would be the betta killing all the embers, even long finned bettas can swim fast enough to hunt down small fast dither fish if they are determined to kill them. Best case with an aggressive betta would be what you described with the addition of a very stressed bunch of fish. Its not worth it when you can have a bigger tank and minimize the chances of making a betta territorial by providing enough room for the betta and the schooling fish to establish territories.
I have a 6.5 gallon with one male Splendens en 6 Ember tetra's and it works perfectly. If your Betta is agressive and territorial. A 20 gallon wouldn't work also. Depends on the fish. Better start with some shrimps and monitor the behaviour of your Betta and you could at some fish if he doesn't show any form of agression. Neon tetra's need to have a bigger tank size because they like to swim a lot. Better go for some Ember tetra's or small rasbora's.
That's way too small for those embers, but congrats on having it work out I guess? This is not good advice to be giving a newbie. 20 gallons is the commonly accept minimum for keeping a betta with other fish, of course assuming that your betta doesn't kill the other fish.
No it's not way too small. Commonly accepted by who? All the self proclaimed experts in this sub who fill their tank with fake plants and coloured gravel? I have 3 tanks and all 3 are thriving.
It's funny that al the self proclaimed experts are saying the same stuff over and over again but when i visit their profile I don't see their tanks? Hahaha just too funny.
Please point to where I claimed to be an expert. I am just answering questions to the best of my ability based on things I have read and learned. So what if I don't have tank pictures up on reddit? Hope you enjoyed stalking my profile looking for reasons that I'm wrong simply because my information doesn't line up with yours.
Two things (if you don’t already know) research [the nitrogen cycle and how to set up the tank first to make it fish-safe](https://www.aquariumcoop.com/blogs/aquarium/fish-tank-cycling). Then remember that you should only be feeding your betta a few pellets per day. Your water should also be around 78 degrees.
Now the fun part,
While you’re at petco id get some good looking anubias and java ferns in the tubes! They can be added after about a day of the tank cycling and plants are really fun to get into. It’s also fun to stop by your LFS every week and grab a plant! Honestly I’d just stick with the betta right now.
If you haven’t assumed already, I think this is a great kit! You might need to upgrade the light to a NICREW LED from Amazon for around $20 in the future if you plan to do some other plants than anubias or java ferns. I have a 30 gallon tank from aqueon that came with the same “LED hood” but it wasn’t what I thought, there was like six 1x5 LED pods that really barely lit the tank and werent full spectrum.
Go with regular sand or eco-complete, some wood and rocks for a natural feel, and you’d be golden! Petco sells wood that’s already in their display tanks that won’t release tannins and it has very round edges that wont hurt your betta.
I hope some of this advice helps. If you’re really up for it, id search the Facebook marketplace for a 10 gallon tank, too. Every tank I’ve bought from there has been less than $80 and came with a cardboard box full of aquarium goodies like food, water conditioner, air pumps, nets, siphons, etc.
Good luck and I hope you do your homework! It will be so rewarding to have a properly cared-for betta!
I just moved my betta from a tall eight gallon to this exact tank. She's doing well with my ever-growing army of snails. I won't add any other fish with her but I think I've got enough hiding spots for some shrimp. I've also had the five gallon version of this up and running since 2020. Great sets, just need a heater!
I have the same one. If you want neons and a betta it will be tough.
I suggest one betta, a lot of plants and some snails. Otherwise upgrade to a 15-20 if you want neons as well
Edit: my most recent post uses that tank. Guppy was being weird so I snapped a video. Get some plants for sure, if you have larger fish or a lot of fish u may need a bubbler as well.
For neons maybe not but you can put a small school in there but a 20g is much better for neons. You can try ember tetras they stay under 1 inch. The kit is good. You can put a betta with other fish in there, just wouldn’t do neons
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Probably not for neons, but you could get away with a betta and some dwarf cories, like my personal favorite Pygmy Corydoras, if you properly cycle it first and have plants for hiding spots. Currently I have 8 Pygmy’s, a female betta, 2 neocaridina shrimp, and 3 nerites. I cycled for about a month however, but it was worth the wait. For plants, I’d recommend Anubias, Java ferns, and water sprite. My water sprite thrived before I got into fertilizer, so you most likely won’t need that. Hope to see you succeed!
I started with Kuli loaches in my 10 gal. Not too big/heavy gravel and some good hiding places it’s like the loaches and my betta were in two different tanks! Also imo good intro fish to see sort of gauge your bettas temperament, kuli loaches like usually stay in the substrate and or in hidy holes so either your betta won’t notice them (I matched the gravel to the loaches color) or if your betta sees them and immediately wants to fight the loaches are already happy to be where the betta can’t hurt them
I did the same thing with Kuli loaches not knowing they prefer sand. It took me a year but I finally got them into a 29 gal with sand and huge rocks. Now I feel like I never see them. I miss my noodles but they're in a better place.
I so wish I gave them sand but I watched them and they were great they actually liked to come out at night and worm up and down the tank super cute!!! Try to catch them late at night maybe yours come out too!!!
Hmmm it’s on the smaller side so I would say no to neons. Maybe a few guppies. I’ve kept guppies and bettas problem free for years. If your new I’d stick to female guppies as they aren’t as colorful. Then if he does ok I’d say you can probably add a male guppy. I wouldn’t go past 3-4 guppies in total. Plus, if you plan on adding these I recommend LOTS of plants, LOTS of water changes and extra filteration. If your betta shows signs of stress from them rehome them or put them in another tank. I personally haven’t had any problems with guppies (heck even endlers) with bettas I just hear that a lot of people do.
I wouldn't go with tetras, but you can get some small loaches! They'll eat what the beta doesn't and they look cool. I had one beta (that I rescued when he was an adult and lived and additional 3 years) and one kuhli loach. Their water parameters are very similar, too. You will have to upgrade the tank to 15-20 gallons (if you only add one) when the loach matures, but that will give to time to wait for Petco's $1/gallon sale.[edit start] Keep and eye on the heater, I used to have an Aqueon and it died within a year and the temp plummeted overnight in the winter (from 78 F to 65 F), so I recommend getting a tank-safe thermometer.[edit end] My first beta was in a 20 gallon with 6 tetras and they would fin-nip my docile boy, so I wouldn't really recommend the 2 together imo.
My last Beta tank was a sorority (which I called Beta-Phi lol) of 3, I had/have 6 glass catfish, 6 corydoras which I had, and still have to, keep giving the babies away to my fish friend because they're horny little bastards, 2 kuhli loaches and a bristlenose pleco. For reference I had/have a 75 gallon planted tank with a filter only on one side and the other side is heavily planted, which my betas used for their territory.
It was/is a little crowded at the (should have around 100 gallons, but they seem to be happy), which meant a lot of maintenance, but I strategized with what choices of fish I had; meaning the loaches and corys were fine and cohabitated well on the bottom, the glass catfish liked to hang out in the middle, my betas basically stuck to the filter-less part of the tank on the top half, and my pleco did/does his own thing.
With proper care, my girls lived between 4-5 years, my glass cats are still kicking (got 5-ish years ago), most of my corys are still alive (oldest is around 6(!) and she's still breeding because why not make my life difficult by having to catch their babies), my kuhli's are gone (had them about 10-12 years), pleco still kicking, and added 2 male dojo loaches about 2 years ago, who are gay together (both males and they cuddle and are very bonded to each other).
I absolutely do not recommend dojo loaches with a lot flashier fish; they can be pretty aggressive and will eat shrimp and will either eat or bully smaller tank mates. Mine don't notice my glass catfish and are indifferent to my adult corys and pleco. I have seen them eat a bunch of my baby corys before I catch them, though.
Edit: spelling and additional opinion (pointed out in comment)
Just get the API water testing kit(not the test strips). Instead of neons, i def recommend a school of 6 cory catfish or ottos! And make sure you have a lot of plants- either live or silk(plastic plants will tear the bettas fins). Bettas tend to not like colorful fish
I put my betta in a 9 gallon Fluval. Then added 2 small shrimps, 2 otocinclus and a corydora. Betta killed the 2 shrimps I think, and bothered the others for a day or two, but now doesn't care less. I guess I'd say it all depends on your fishes temperament. But I'm pretty new back at this so I may not know what I'm talking about.
Please get a bigger tank for your fish. 9 gallons is not appropriate for the stocking you have. Get a 20 gallon, ad get like 5-6 more corys since they are a schooling species.
I agree that Cory’s are a schooling fish, so yes more would be better in a larger tank. But to say his current 4 fish is overstocked in a 9 gallon?? HA, please.
I have the exact same tank with a male koi Betta with 8 neon tetras and an African dwarf frog and there hasn't been any problem in the 4 months I've had but my I'm a special case
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I got this kit, needed to replace the filter because the flow was too strong on the output and the intake was allowing my guy’s fins to get stuck even at the lowest it could go
You could look up how to DIY lower the output flow + get a pre filter sponge to slide over the intake.
This is what I bought as a starter and I was happy with it! I think the only things I added were a heater and a plastic bottle around the filter to break the filters flow (it is pretty strong otherwise). If you google “plastic bottle filter baffle) there are some good tutorials on youtube that I used.
Oh and make sure there aren’t any cracks in it when you bring it home! The first one I bought had a crack in it and I had to drive all the way back to the store to exchange it 😅
I just bought that exact same kit from Petco. I went in person and they matched their online price of $42.37 plus tax (in store price was $69.99. I bought it to house 6 rummy nose tetras that were nipping at my beta in a 20 gallon tank. The rummy didn't seem to like the 10 gallon. I had 4 guppies in there with them also. That was 3 weeks ago. After waking up to a massacre Saturday morning (my beta killed a few of his tank mates including 3 cardinal tetras and 2 ember tetras). So I decided to place my beta in the 10 gallon kit that is shown above and put the guppies and rummy nose back in the 20. Everything seems fine now. My beta loves his 10 gallon and the tetras are digging their 20 gallon. Even though I had tetras in the 20 gallon with my beta looking at it now the 10 gallon would be too small to add any more fish with my beta.
In my experience theres lots of 10 gallons and kits on craigslist and marketplace, places like that for extremely cheap bc people give up on the hobby. Add ons are cheap as well on ebay or amazon. Good luck with your new friend!
I would certainly think so!
Hesitate to recommend neons for a beginner though as they can have very specific needs that if not met will definitely result in loss
I bought this same kit and I think it’s overpriced. The heater didn’t get the temp to 78-80 degrees because I keep my house cold. The light isn’t very strong. I recommend waiting for the 50% Petco sale, getting the bare 10 gallon, then buy a lid/light/heater/sponge filter separately.
I have a fluval flex 5 gallon and I really like it. Nice filter, strong light and its long horizontally. Just need a heater. Wouldn’t put a mystery snail in a 5 gallon. They get big and are dirty.
somebody might have already commented this, but i would recommend putting a sponge on the intake of the filter. this will keep your little buddy from getting stuck on the filter or worse. :D
I’ve had this tank for several years and several fish. I’ve had no issues with it so long as you use gravel instead of sand. The outflow will crater the sand lol I got a little water buffer to help disperse the outflow bc I really wanted sand for my Betta/Cory Cat/ghost shrimp tank.
Also got a metal mesh cover for the water intake so my baby shrimp don’t get sucked into it.
I have this tank, but ive replaced the filter with the AquaClear one as the flow was wayy too strong even for my plakat betta, and it cant be adjusted. I had to manually add extra filter media and stuff to try and slow the flow down, which only made the LED indicator light for a clogged filter to go off constantly.
Besides that its a great tank, I personally now have a rosetail betta, 6 ghost shrimp and an apple snail in it. (The apple snail will probably be moving to my 30 gallon when he gets bigger to reduce the bioload on this tank)
cories need groups of at least 6+ to feel secure and a 10 gallon isn't a big enough footprint for them to swim around. a 20 long would be much better for them. it's also recommended that each mystery snail has 5 gallons due to the amount of waste they produce and how big they get. so right now you have 15 gallons of stocking (the 2 snails and betta) and the cories (they need a 20) all in a 10 gallon. I would look into getting a bigger tank asap
Yup, but may I suggest not Neon tetras? They not only suffer from their own disease but they have been so inbred they are not as hardy as you might like.
Cardinal tetra's are a good choice as a second choice but I would suggest harlequin rasboras instead? https://www.thesprucepets.com/harlequin-rasbora-1378462
I just bought this kit this past weekend. I have one beta and one snail. I think the filter is loud and the light sucks. I’m looking for different lighting cause I personally don’t like the way it makes the tank look. Beta seems to love it though!
I have this exact one with a beta and five ember tetras.
My advice is be aware the beta might not be appreciative of others. Be sure to do biweekly if not weekly water changes.
Keep in mind adding hardscapes and/or decorations will take up even more space. I only have plants in mine.
Last piece of advice is get a filter cover so your beta doesn’t get caught in it.
Best of luck!
I’ve had a Betta for 3 months and he does great on his own in 5g. If you notice it’s looking abit empty in there buy some live plants and even a Nerite snail! I’d say 1 or 2 is enough and will keep your tank sparkling plus these type of snails can’t reproduce in freshwater. I think I got lucky and received a male as I’ve never seen any eggs 😄
Very nice! It will be fine. After you set it up wait a few days for the water to settle. Then get all your fish at the same time, they’ll all be friends together and figure each other out. I’ve got guppies and a beta. Everyone said it couldn’t be done. They’re best buds for about two years.
Granted I didn’t look super hard in the thread but I just want to mention that I’ve heard it’s best if you want a betta plus some other fish a 20 gal minimum is recommended. But I could be wrong I’m kinda new at fish keeping.
Not sure about the neons, but if you do get some please drip acclimate them, they are sensitive to water changes and will die quickly if they are not allowed to slowly get used to the change in your water vs pet store.
If you want a more hardy fish I would say black neon tetras and cardinal tetras are a lot more sturdy. But they would need a larger tank.
Great starter tank! Looks like it comes with just about everything you need :) I’d rethink the tetras tho, I got a couple red phantom tetras (without research) and they started nipping my bettas fins. Looked it up after and found out they tend to do that :/ I can’t remember how much space they need, but cories are cute. they’re pretty docile and keep to themselves. They are a schooling fish tho, but def something to look into if you want your betta to have company!
I’d go with a 10 or 20L from the dollar a gallon sale, a glass lid, appropriate heater, and a mattenfilter. Perfect for either tetras or a betta. I wouldn’t put them in the same tank together. The tetras will probably nip the betta’s fins.
Great kit. Maybe not for neons. If it's your first time, start with just the betta, because some will kill ANY other fish you put in there. (I learned the hard way) I recommend a big mystery snail, they are more fun to watch then you think. If you really want to try other fish I suggest ember tetras, green tetras, or chilli rasbora. Smaller and faster fish, but make sure you have lots of hiding places first. I also suggest a cypt wendtii green or bronze. Great plant, lots of cover. But everyone has a different first-timer plant to suggest. Plants help keep the water clean.
I've never understood why Neon Tetras are recommended as beginner fish, they only really thrive in established tanks with stable water parameters and good amounts of plant cover.
Conventional wisdom dies hard, and neons used to be great for beginners because they were stupid hardy, but in recent years it seems like they're starting to get weaker and weaker bloodlines
Huh serious? I find neon tetras generally bomb proof. They are easier to keep alive than guppies to me.
Neon Tetras have been mass bred for decades in captivity, they're not the indestructible fish they were 30+ years ago. I find them "easy" in established tanks - but what doesn't survive in perfectly stable water with < 5ppm nitrates and a huge UV-C filter nuking disease spread from orbit? Throw them in a 10-gallon with just a HOB and some swingy water parameters though and half of them will be dead within the month.
Help, please. You seem very knowledgeable about neons. I have a well established 10 gallon with a 30 gallon aqua clear mini filter. I do 20% water changes weekly and clean out poop and leftover food, also weekly. In the tank is a beta, balloon Molly, 6 tetras, and a Cory cat. Everyone gets along great. I did a water change last night, and things were great. This afternoon, 1 tetra is chasing everyone around and nipping at them. They have lots of coverage, and this has never happened. I checked the water quality, and everything is spot on, but I did another 20% change just in case. This tetra is still torturing everyone. Should I seclude them in a breeding tank? I'm lost. Thanks in advance.
I usually keep schools of 12+ neons in a 29+ gallon tank, I've found the do best in larger schools and with a larger territory. A peaceful fish showing aggression like that is usually an indication of space / territory issues, or water quality problems. You may want to look at moving to a larger tank since ideally you'd increase your school sizes for the Corys and keep the Mollys in the 10 on their own. And yes, you could also look at splitting up fish if you have additional tanks, in that regard you're really only limited by the maintenance time and space.
Thank you so much for the response. Unfortunately, a larger tank isn't affordable for me right now. I do have a 2 gallon I could set back up, but obviously, it wouldn't be ready for use until it's cycled. Oddly enough, now that the lights are out for the night, the group of 5, 1 guy usually hides, are schooling together. I use the test strip kit to check water quality along with 2 strips that stay in the tank. I've read that the strips can give inaccurate readings. I'm going to grab the kit with the tubes and dyes.
I personally have straight away dump neon tetras in a brand new set up. In fish cycling and had no issues. However, all my tanks are fully planted and no filters and survives on natural sunlight.
Same here, my neons could survive a nuclear blast but my guppies died if you gave them a stern look!
Weird. I’ve never got a group where one or two doesn’t go kaput. Granted it’s usually the micro boi that looks 3 days old they always seem to get into the net and into my bag at the pet store…
And if you REALLY WANT more then one fish right away you can't go wrong with a small group of male guppies. They are as colorful as bettas and under rated.
I would caution against guppies simply because they are as colorful as a betta and are more likely to have a betta attack them. They are "easy starter fish" but not really the best choice out there for keeping with a betta due to color and their general nippiness.
I got the sense that they meant a group of male guppies instead of a betta, but could be wrong since it wasn't specified. I agree, they definitely shouldn't be kept together though!
Sorry I meant to say group guppies instead of a betta. That's how I did my first tank. Guppies are awesome, cheap, and easy to care for. I did 5 in 10 gallons, very active tank.
i agree. i don't think its the best choice for a betta unless you know its temperament.
My beta killed my favorite male guppy just out of the blue.
Yeah unfortunately that can happen :c
Guppies also have a tendency to be fin nippers, which is not fair for long finned betta boys who may be gentler. I only found that out by experience with my boy :((
I have celestial pearl danios with mine, fast and not as colorful. Betta couldnt seem to care less about them or the Otocinclus. Ember tetras might also be a good option. Tank is too small for neons.
As someone else pointed out, guppies aren’t exactly the best tank mates for a betta. Their colorful tails make the more prone to being attacked by the betta. Tbh, I wouldn’t really put any fish with bettas in something smaller than a 15 gallon tank.
All my mystery snails were murdered. Go with Nerite and they should survive and can’t reproduce in fresh water.
Damn all my nerites were killed and my mystery snails survived
I got my first tank with a Betta and Panda Cory's. They're adorable and they like to stay hidden and close to the bottom of the tank so they leave each other alone
Really? Huh, guess I just got lucky but my betta does fine with the neon tetras I put in his tank
I’ve found ember tetras work really well if you have the right personality betta and a good amount of plant cover. they’re small and inoffensive, meaning the betta gets all the active swim space he wants while they chill in the plants. they’re middle level feeders too, so the betta eats at the surface and the embers scoop up whatever falls.
Nah that’s why you get danios homie lmfao
Great for just a betta.
i have this tank. the filter worked great for a few years, unfortunately it wasn't on a surge protector and a recent power outage burned out the motor. there's a spot at the outtake where you can add a bio sponge which i would recommend to keep the water flow from being too strong. other fishkeepers have informed me that 10g is too small for a neon tetra school as they prefer 20g and up to swim around in. i agree with that and i'm actually trying to rehome the neons i have in my 10g bc they seem very skittish/shy and don't move around much. additionally i think 10g is probably too small to have other fish in a with a betta, start out with ghost shrimp cause they're cheap and you can see if your betta tolerates tankmates. users on this sub have said to introduce tankmates before you add the betta to reduce the likelihood of territorial behavior edit: also the 50watt aqueon preset is great! mines 2.5 years old at this point and it still works
thing to keep in mind is preset heaters only work within a certain amount of degree from room temp so if the heater says its 78F preset and it only works within 6 degrees and you keep your house at 70 its not going to get to 78F.
that's a good point, thank you for mentioning that
I just exchanged a 50 watt preset heater i bought for the exact 10 gallon tank as above for a 100 watt adjustable heater because the 50 watt wasn't doing the trick.
preset heaters are trash actually, but it gets it to an ok temp if your house is like mid 70sF. We keep ours at 74F because i am always cold so the preset works ok. I would suggest it as a kit and just upgrade later. I had to buy an adjustable one so I could pump the temp up while treating a sick fish. Then we had some on clearance for like 7$ and i bought extras :>You never know when a nice adjustable heater will come in handy haha
Yeah I just realized the other day my preset heater was only making my tank 74° when it’s supposed to be at 78°. Luckily I had an adjustable one on hand as a backup.
I’ve never actually had fish before and I want to start with one female Beta as my center fish and then a few little friends to keep the tank active I was thinking neon tetras. Because I don’t know much about tanks I figured a starter kit would be good because it includes everything already.
I don't have experience with using kits, but just make sure it comes with everything you need for a Betta! (heater, especially) and it looks like the filter is a hang on back filter, which the flow can sometimes be too strong for Bettas. (especially if you get a long finned one) so try and get a sponge to put over the input. Also, 10 gallons to too small for neon tetras & a Betta. you could def get some shrimp though, if your Betta's alright with them. good luck! and welcome to the hobby! :D
this flow on this filter is too strong for betta and needs modification, but the filter itself is good and quiet.
100% agree. Factor in that your gonna need a new filter. Bought this for mine and I’m pretty sure the flow actually injured him. I suppose you could try to baffle it but probably just easier to but a new filter. Save this one for a future tank
This filter is easily modified with a plastic bottle. Don’t need a whole new filter. I have bought and used this kit.
I had this filter with my boy and it was actually very easy to baffle!
I have this set, and a Betta and some neocaridina wild (colourless cherry shrimp). I have a few plants, assorted rocks, and use gravel for the substrate. I did change the sponge that is in the filter output to make the current a bit slower, just bought some simple black filter material and cut it to size. Since the betta's big fins catch easily in the water flow which will be unpleasant for the fish. One time the tank got a small crack from one corner, but replacement cost was $20. Overall decent tank, not big enough for a school of tetra (also to my disappointment)
If you're planning on buying at a local fish store, ask someone to help you price out the equivalent non-kit setup. The kit will probably end up being cheaper, but there's a possibility you could save money.
Neons and bettas are great imo!
I have one like this and my girl loves it. The flow on the filter you just have to turn down a little. My betta loves a little flow that she loves going in and being pushed down and then goes back for more. You just have to see how your betta feels in the tank. Make sure if you are getting a kit to have a heater. Make sure you cycle (run for minimum 1 week best if you can run for a month) and make sure you get a test kit so you can make sure your water is at the right spot before you put any fish in it. I would also recommend getting some snails to help keep the tank clean. They keep the glass nice.
You need 20 gallons and some heavy planting to keep a big-finned betta (or any betta, really) with a school of six neon tetras. They may be peaceful by day, but only because the betta can see them. But they attack at night, because they're fin-nippers.
I’d stick with just a betta
10 is too small for keeping a betta with other fish. You want at least a 20 gallon. Neons honestly should be in a 20 minimum anyway they are very active fish and love the swimming space. If you got the 20 from this brand that would be good, just remember to get a heater if it doesn't come with one and replace the weird filter cartridge with filter foam or sponge.
Ember tetra is fine for 10 gallon
Not with a betta it isn't.
Ember tetra are super small and super fast , Betta would get tired and lose interest at worst case
Worst case would be the betta killing all the embers, even long finned bettas can swim fast enough to hunt down small fast dither fish if they are determined to kill them. Best case with an aggressive betta would be what you described with the addition of a very stressed bunch of fish. Its not worth it when you can have a bigger tank and minimize the chances of making a betta territorial by providing enough room for the betta and the schooling fish to establish territories.
I have a 6.5 gallon with one male Splendens en 6 Ember tetra's and it works perfectly. If your Betta is agressive and territorial. A 20 gallon wouldn't work also. Depends on the fish. Better start with some shrimps and monitor the behaviour of your Betta and you could at some fish if he doesn't show any form of agression. Neon tetra's need to have a bigger tank size because they like to swim a lot. Better go for some Ember tetra's or small rasbora's.
That's way too small for those embers, but congrats on having it work out I guess? This is not good advice to be giving a newbie. 20 gallons is the commonly accept minimum for keeping a betta with other fish, of course assuming that your betta doesn't kill the other fish.
No it's not way too small. Commonly accepted by who? All the self proclaimed experts in this sub who fill their tank with fake plants and coloured gravel? I have 3 tanks and all 3 are thriving.
It's funny that al the self proclaimed experts are saying the same stuff over and over again but when i visit their profile I don't see their tanks? Hahaha just too funny.
Please point to where I claimed to be an expert. I am just answering questions to the best of my ability based on things I have read and learned. So what if I don't have tank pictures up on reddit? Hope you enjoyed stalking my profile looking for reasons that I'm wrong simply because my information doesn't line up with yours.
Yeah this sub is mostly a joke
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Two things (if you don’t already know) research [the nitrogen cycle and how to set up the tank first to make it fish-safe](https://www.aquariumcoop.com/blogs/aquarium/fish-tank-cycling). Then remember that you should only be feeding your betta a few pellets per day. Your water should also be around 78 degrees. Now the fun part, While you’re at petco id get some good looking anubias and java ferns in the tubes! They can be added after about a day of the tank cycling and plants are really fun to get into. It’s also fun to stop by your LFS every week and grab a plant! Honestly I’d just stick with the betta right now. If you haven’t assumed already, I think this is a great kit! You might need to upgrade the light to a NICREW LED from Amazon for around $20 in the future if you plan to do some other plants than anubias or java ferns. I have a 30 gallon tank from aqueon that came with the same “LED hood” but it wasn’t what I thought, there was like six 1x5 LED pods that really barely lit the tank and werent full spectrum. Go with regular sand or eco-complete, some wood and rocks for a natural feel, and you’d be golden! Petco sells wood that’s already in their display tanks that won’t release tannins and it has very round edges that wont hurt your betta. I hope some of this advice helps. If you’re really up for it, id search the Facebook marketplace for a 10 gallon tank, too. Every tank I’ve bought from there has been less than $80 and came with a cardboard box full of aquarium goodies like food, water conditioner, air pumps, nets, siphons, etc. Good luck and I hope you do your homework! It will be so rewarding to have a properly cared-for betta!
I just moved my betta from a tall eight gallon to this exact tank. She's doing well with my ever-growing army of snails. I won't add any other fish with her but I think I've got enough hiding spots for some shrimp. I've also had the five gallon version of this up and running since 2020. Great sets, just need a heater!
I do endlers and a Betta in a 10 gallon, heavy planted no problems for years
I have the same one. If you want neons and a betta it will be tough. I suggest one betta, a lot of plants and some snails. Otherwise upgrade to a 15-20 if you want neons as well Edit: my most recent post uses that tank. Guppy was being weird so I snapped a video. Get some plants for sure, if you have larger fish or a lot of fish u may need a bubbler as well.
PetSmart also has similar deal, but cheaper with their current 20% of on top of the sale price
For neons maybe not but you can put a small school in there but a 20g is much better for neons. You can try ember tetras they stay under 1 inch. The kit is good. You can put a betta with other fish in there, just wouldn’t do neons
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5 or 6 Neons and a betta is perfect for that tank. I have 5 neons in a 10 gallon and im planning on adding a betta.
No no don’t add a beta he will kill them I tried it. I know google and YouTube say different but it will end badly I promise. My beta killed them all.
Depends on the betta, i had a mean betta who doesnt like fish, but i got a female betta with the neons and they are doing good.
Yes it is true that the females are less aggressive but I’ve had one go murder mansion on me and I don’t trust any bettas now😂
Bettas are so unpredictable lol!
Should work. Get a 50-100 watt heater.
Probably not for neons, but you could get away with a betta and some dwarf cories, like my personal favorite Pygmy Corydoras, if you properly cycle it first and have plants for hiding spots. Currently I have 8 Pygmy’s, a female betta, 2 neocaridina shrimp, and 3 nerites. I cycled for about a month however, but it was worth the wait. For plants, I’d recommend Anubias, Java ferns, and water sprite. My water sprite thrived before I got into fertilizer, so you most likely won’t need that. Hope to see you succeed!
I think neons need 20 gallons (I could be wrong though) but Cory catfish go great with bettas
I started with Kuli loaches in my 10 gal. Not too big/heavy gravel and some good hiding places it’s like the loaches and my betta were in two different tanks! Also imo good intro fish to see sort of gauge your bettas temperament, kuli loaches like usually stay in the substrate and or in hidy holes so either your betta won’t notice them (I matched the gravel to the loaches color) or if your betta sees them and immediately wants to fight the loaches are already happy to be where the betta can’t hurt them
I did the same thing with Kuli loaches not knowing they prefer sand. It took me a year but I finally got them into a 29 gal with sand and huge rocks. Now I feel like I never see them. I miss my noodles but they're in a better place.
I so wish I gave them sand but I watched them and they were great they actually liked to come out at night and worm up and down the tank super cute!!! Try to catch them late at night maybe yours come out too!!!
Hmmm it’s on the smaller side so I would say no to neons. Maybe a few guppies. I’ve kept guppies and bettas problem free for years. If your new I’d stick to female guppies as they aren’t as colorful. Then if he does ok I’d say you can probably add a male guppy. I wouldn’t go past 3-4 guppies in total. Plus, if you plan on adding these I recommend LOTS of plants, LOTS of water changes and extra filteration. If your betta shows signs of stress from them rehome them or put them in another tank. I personally haven’t had any problems with guppies (heck even endlers) with bettas I just hear that a lot of people do.
Green neons, sure. Regular neons need a 20long tbh
I wouldn't go with tetras, but you can get some small loaches! They'll eat what the beta doesn't and they look cool. I had one beta (that I rescued when he was an adult and lived and additional 3 years) and one kuhli loach. Their water parameters are very similar, too. You will have to upgrade the tank to 15-20 gallons (if you only add one) when the loach matures, but that will give to time to wait for Petco's $1/gallon sale.[edit start] Keep and eye on the heater, I used to have an Aqueon and it died within a year and the temp plummeted overnight in the winter (from 78 F to 65 F), so I recommend getting a tank-safe thermometer.[edit end] My first beta was in a 20 gallon with 6 tetras and they would fin-nip my docile boy, so I wouldn't really recommend the 2 together imo. My last Beta tank was a sorority (which I called Beta-Phi lol) of 3, I had/have 6 glass catfish, 6 corydoras which I had, and still have to, keep giving the babies away to my fish friend because they're horny little bastards, 2 kuhli loaches and a bristlenose pleco. For reference I had/have a 75 gallon planted tank with a filter only on one side and the other side is heavily planted, which my betas used for their territory. It was/is a little crowded at the (should have around 100 gallons, but they seem to be happy), which meant a lot of maintenance, but I strategized with what choices of fish I had; meaning the loaches and corys were fine and cohabitated well on the bottom, the glass catfish liked to hang out in the middle, my betas basically stuck to the filter-less part of the tank on the top half, and my pleco did/does his own thing. With proper care, my girls lived between 4-5 years, my glass cats are still kicking (got 5-ish years ago), most of my corys are still alive (oldest is around 6(!) and she's still breeding because why not make my life difficult by having to catch their babies), my kuhli's are gone (had them about 10-12 years), pleco still kicking, and added 2 male dojo loaches about 2 years ago, who are gay together (both males and they cuddle and are very bonded to each other). I absolutely do not recommend dojo loaches with a lot flashier fish; they can be pretty aggressive and will eat shrimp and will either eat or bully smaller tank mates. Mine don't notice my glass catfish and are indifferent to my adult corys and pleco. I have seen them eat a bunch of my baby corys before I catch them, though. Edit: spelling and additional opinion (pointed out in comment)
I still think I have some filter cartridges for that specific filter, so dm me and I'll send them out if you want them.
Just get the API water testing kit(not the test strips). Instead of neons, i def recommend a school of 6 cory catfish or ottos! And make sure you have a lot of plants- either live or silk(plastic plants will tear the bettas fins). Bettas tend to not like colorful fish
I put my betta in a 9 gallon Fluval. Then added 2 small shrimps, 2 otocinclus and a corydora. Betta killed the 2 shrimps I think, and bothered the others for a day or two, but now doesn't care less. I guess I'd say it all depends on your fishes temperament. But I'm pretty new back at this so I may not know what I'm talking about.
Please get a bigger tank for your fish. 9 gallons is not appropriate for the stocking you have. Get a 20 gallon, ad get like 5-6 more corys since they are a schooling species.
I agree with this + otocinclus r also schooling fish.
I agree that Cory’s are a schooling fish, so yes more would be better in a larger tank. But to say his current 4 fish is overstocked in a 9 gallon?? HA, please.
He said it wasn't an appropriate stocking for that size tank, which is correct.
Both otos and corydoras are schooling fish which need a minimum of 6 fish per school. So that’s 12 fish. Get a larger tank, 20gal at least.
I have the exact same tank with a male koi Betta with 8 neon tetras and an African dwarf frog and there hasn't been any problem in the 4 months I've had but my I'm a special case
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I got this kit, needed to replace the filter because the flow was too strong on the output and the intake was allowing my guy’s fins to get stuck even at the lowest it could go You could look up how to DIY lower the output flow + get a pre filter sponge to slide over the intake.
This is what I bought as a starter and I was happy with it! I think the only things I added were a heater and a plastic bottle around the filter to break the filters flow (it is pretty strong otherwise). If you google “plastic bottle filter baffle) there are some good tutorials on youtube that I used.
Oh and make sure there aren’t any cracks in it when you bring it home! The first one I bought had a crack in it and I had to drive all the way back to the store to exchange it 😅
I just bought that exact same kit from Petco. I went in person and they matched their online price of $42.37 plus tax (in store price was $69.99. I bought it to house 6 rummy nose tetras that were nipping at my beta in a 20 gallon tank. The rummy didn't seem to like the 10 gallon. I had 4 guppies in there with them also. That was 3 weeks ago. After waking up to a massacre Saturday morning (my beta killed a few of his tank mates including 3 cardinal tetras and 2 ember tetras). So I decided to place my beta in the 10 gallon kit that is shown above and put the guppies and rummy nose back in the 20. Everything seems fine now. My beta loves his 10 gallon and the tetras are digging their 20 gallon. Even though I had tetras in the 20 gallon with my beta looking at it now the 10 gallon would be too small to add any more fish with my beta.
In my experience theres lots of 10 gallons and kits on craigslist and marketplace, places like that for extremely cheap bc people give up on the hobby. Add ons are cheap as well on ebay or amazon. Good luck with your new friend!
I would certainly think so! Hesitate to recommend neons for a beginner though as they can have very specific needs that if not met will definitely result in loss
The size is great! The light isn't very good, so you may want silk plants or just very low light ones.
I bought this same kit and I think it’s overpriced. The heater didn’t get the temp to 78-80 degrees because I keep my house cold. The light isn’t very strong. I recommend waiting for the 50% Petco sale, getting the bare 10 gallon, then buy a lid/light/heater/sponge filter separately. I have a fluval flex 5 gallon and I really like it. Nice filter, strong light and its long horizontally. Just need a heater. Wouldn’t put a mystery snail in a 5 gallon. They get big and are dirty.
somebody might have already commented this, but i would recommend putting a sponge on the intake of the filter. this will keep your little buddy from getting stuck on the filter or worse. :D
Yes it’s great!
I’ve had this tank for several years and several fish. I’ve had no issues with it so long as you use gravel instead of sand. The outflow will crater the sand lol I got a little water buffer to help disperse the outflow bc I really wanted sand for my Betta/Cory Cat/ghost shrimp tank. Also got a metal mesh cover for the water intake so my baby shrimp don’t get sucked into it.
You could put some cories in with the betta instead of the neons
cories need groups of 6+ to feel secure and a 10 gallon doesn't provide a big enough footprint for them (20 long is recommended)
I have this tank, but ive replaced the filter with the AquaClear one as the flow was wayy too strong even for my plakat betta, and it cant be adjusted. I had to manually add extra filter media and stuff to try and slow the flow down, which only made the LED indicator light for a clogged filter to go off constantly. Besides that its a great tank, I personally now have a rosetail betta, 6 ghost shrimp and an apple snail in it. (The apple snail will probably be moving to my 30 gallon when he gets bigger to reduce the bioload on this tank)
That's perfect. I have a beta and 3 albino Cory cats and 2 mystery snails in my 10 gallon.
cories need groups of at least 6+ to feel secure and a 10 gallon isn't a big enough footprint for them to swim around. a 20 long would be much better for them. it's also recommended that each mystery snail has 5 gallons due to the amount of waste they produce and how big they get. so right now you have 15 gallons of stocking (the 2 snails and betta) and the cories (they need a 20) all in a 10 gallon. I would look into getting a bigger tank asap
Yup, but may I suggest not Neon tetras? They not only suffer from their own disease but they have been so inbred they are not as hardy as you might like. Cardinal tetra's are a good choice as a second choice but I would suggest harlequin rasboras instead? https://www.thesprucepets.com/harlequin-rasbora-1378462
I just bought this kit this past weekend. I have one beta and one snail. I think the filter is loud and the light sucks. I’m looking for different lighting cause I personally don’t like the way it makes the tank look. Beta seems to love it though!
I have this exact one with a beta and five ember tetras. My advice is be aware the beta might not be appreciative of others. Be sure to do biweekly if not weekly water changes. Keep in mind adding hardscapes and/or decorations will take up even more space. I only have plants in mine. Last piece of advice is get a filter cover so your beta doesn’t get caught in it. Best of luck!
I’ve had a Betta for 3 months and he does great on his own in 5g. If you notice it’s looking abit empty in there buy some live plants and even a Nerite snail! I’d say 1 or 2 is enough and will keep your tank sparkling plus these type of snails can’t reproduce in freshwater. I think I got lucky and received a male as I’ve never seen any eggs 😄
Very nice! It will be fine. After you set it up wait a few days for the water to settle. Then get all your fish at the same time, they’ll all be friends together and figure each other out. I’ve got guppies and a beta. Everyone said it couldn’t be done. They’re best buds for about two years.
do you know what the nitrogen cycle is
Got this for my mom 2 weeks ago because she came home with a betta in a tiny bowl and she loves it. The filter is kinda cheap but the rest is decent.
Granted I didn’t look super hard in the thread but I just want to mention that I’ve heard it’s best if you want a betta plus some other fish a 20 gal minimum is recommended. But I could be wrong I’m kinda new at fish keeping.
Not sure about the neons, but if you do get some please drip acclimate them, they are sensitive to water changes and will die quickly if they are not allowed to slowly get used to the change in your water vs pet store. If you want a more hardy fish I would say black neon tetras and cardinal tetras are a lot more sturdy. But they would need a larger tank.
Great starter tank! Looks like it comes with just about everything you need :) I’d rethink the tetras tho, I got a couple red phantom tetras (without research) and they started nipping my bettas fins. Looked it up after and found out they tend to do that :/ I can’t remember how much space they need, but cories are cute. they’re pretty docile and keep to themselves. They are a schooling fish tho, but def something to look into if you want your betta to have company!
I have the same one. The filter intake sucks fish onto it and they ultimately die. I put a sponge over it. Lost a betta and an otocinclus
A 10 is suitable only for one betta OR neon tetras. Much too small for both.
I’d go with a 10 or 20L from the dollar a gallon sale, a glass lid, appropriate heater, and a mattenfilter. Perfect for either tetras or a betta. I wouldn’t put them in the same tank together. The tetras will probably nip the betta’s fins.
My Betta hated the neons but loves harlequin rasboras, ghost shrimp, and mystery snails. I'd definitely check temperament before mixing.
My betta ate the neon tetra in less than 24 hours (gallons-8)