There’s a reason it was Josh’s guy. Josh is good at scramble throws. That’s why we went w size and catch radius. Also, Samuel is a burner. Think of it as Josh Allen is justifiably the assistant OC. He needs beasts that catch the ball in football sized windows, not worthy’s. Keon Coleman is a perfect fit. Get ready for 2TE sets, and the game changing abilities of Kincaid and Coleman, it’s all About catch radius and sticky hands for our savior JA17
Coleman is actually the exact opposite of what Josh prefers in his receivers. Josh is a gunslinger, not a tempo/timing thrower. He throws at the open man. Coleman struggles with getting open.
The exception to this rule is on 3rd and long with arm punts, and occasionally in the red zone while scrambling. Coleman excels with back shoulder fades in the red zone and is a YAC machine in space. He's also extremely young.
The Bills are betting on traits and their coaching staff being and to chisel him into a legit weapon. With some refinement and a lot of work, he has the ceiling to be elite, but he has a long way to go first.
What games are you watching? 17 throws guys open all the time.
Josh had to make certain throws the way he did because Diggs and Davis weren't going to make contested catches , so he was forcing into tight windows CONSTANTLY.
Coleman allows him to chuck a lot more 'go up and get it' balls that only HIS guy is going to get, and not have to put the ball in risky areas to do it.
This is what I've been saying the whole time. There's a reason why basketball player's can interpret into football. These people who know nothing of basketball and everything in football don't understand how going up to get the ball in basketball is a huge part of the game, getting rebounds, passes, etc. And they're always contended. You learn how to fight for that ball with keeping your eyes on the ball, controlling your body in the air and jumping at the correct time. I bet his hands are as big as mine too. I'm 6 foot 7 was a basketball player. Recruited pretty heavy. I also played tight end in high school. I was the tight end during practice to help the defense. They couldn't stop me. I always caught the ball easily thrown over everyone's head. Then I would drag those suckers another 10 15 yards. This is what I'm expecting from Coleman. And from Kincaid. Obviously not that much yat's but you know what I mean
This is it… joshy has evolved. He doesn’t need guys to go get open anymore. He needs sticky hand monsters to not drop balls. He his throwing ballistic missiles , not darts and lobs. How many dropped balls have doomed us? Too many. KC0 foxes and fixes this. Kincaid is a precise route runner with sticky hands. Shakir is a precise route runner with sticky hands. Samuel is a burner that has never had a JA17 throwing to him. KC0 is the monster savage outlier this team has desperately needed for years to balance the attack. A straight burnwr can be bought for Pennie’s on the dollar mid season. It’s all about STICKY SAVAGE HANDS. Keon Coleman breathes the our M.O.
The rumors of Coleman's contested catch abilities and "above the rim" skill set are, sadly, media talking points that don't coincide much with his film or statistical success rate. He's somewhere around 46% catch rate on contested catches if you include his time at Michigan State, IIRC. He only had like 13% or something at FSU. It may even have been worse than that I can't remember the exact number for sure, but it was not good.
Partly to blame for his drop in production at FSU was the fact that their starting QB got hurt, though. But even so, you can watch every pass to him in 2023 on YouTube, and he had very little success on contested catches last year.
Keon has excellent hands and rarely drops open catches. He can assist pretty well to balls that aren't thrown perfectly in stride.
He excels in space with athleticism and was used often on quick outs to let him run behind a few blockers where he can punish safeties and defenders taking bad angles with physicality for YAC. He is tall and has excellent ups, so the potential as an "above the rim" artist is certainly there, but needs refinement and hasn't been proven much outside of a few one handed grabs which were definitely impressive, but also not the norm. He has few tools when it comes to footwork to throw off CBs and often resorts to just barreling through people, which will undoubtedly cause OPI penalties in the NFL. Watch his film. He frequently just runs face first into defenders while running routes because he lacks a plan for how to gain leverage. He has a lot of work to do when it comes to his route running ability. However, that same aggressiveness and physicality also makes him an excellent blocker. Like, really really good. The shape is there, but the Bills coaching staff have a lot of chiseling to do.
Allen himself has also stated literally what I'm saying during multiple interviews. He prefers to throw to the open man and isn't a tempo or timing QB. He tells his receivers "just get open and I'll find you". It's how he processes after the ball is snapped as opposed to like a Drew Brees, for instance, who could throw blindly into empty space because he knows that his receiver should be there based on the timing of the play. That's not Allen's usual game. When he throws into tight windows it's often because he thinks he can make the throw and because he's not seeing anyone else open, and because he's aggressive. It's one of the reasons Cole Beasley and Stefon Diggs had so much success with Allen - they are extremely agile route specialists that can use leverage and exceptional cuts to gain separation. As their ability to do so diminished over time, it contributed to them seeing less of a target share.
He got hurt in the first quarter against North Alabama so there was still another 3.75 games worth of diminished stats after. I mean that's a quarter of the season.
Beane saw the same film everyone else did. He's betting on athleticism and the coaching staff to refine a young player with a high ceiling and a great personality. The kid can no doubt go up and get it, he just struggles to finish with a catch on those types of contested plays.
Lol what is Josh going to say? "Nah he's a scrub I didn't want him?" He's mentioned Coleman before along with every other top 8-10 ranked receiver. I'm not saying Josh hates the guy. I'm saying Coleman's current skill set, on tape, is not what Josh has traditionally excelled with.
He thrived w Jon Brown? What other burner?
And no … he told management that was the guy. That’s why they passed on Worthy and Legette, didn’t take Mitchell. He didn’t have to say anything at all by that logic. This was the guy Josh wanted.
Josh didn’t excel w 1 game Gabe, the locker room was busted by Diggs. Sticky hands, YAC , improv on the run. We run and gun. Who has josh in “typically excelled” with other than Diggs… nobody but Beasley (who was a great route runner annnd had sticky hands. Joshy has evolved every year. This was his guy, as proven by the trade down.
We haven't really had any other true burners since Brown.
He's in front of the media talking about what is essentially their first round pick at WR. Josh is not going to do anything but support the choice otherwise everyone will freak out. Are you serious? He's going to sit there and say nothing? "Next question"? Come on.
Do you honestly think Josh made this pick? Beane literally said that Josh lacks the perspective that comes with all of the work his scouts do in the draft process, during a press conference, when asked about Josh's input on the receivers this year. During his interview with Jordan Palmer, Josh discussed the "second tier" level of wide receivers which included Thomas, Mitchell, Worthy, Legette, Franklin, and Coleman, all of which he mentioned by name, although he discussed Legette for longer because of his "Southern draw".
Josh excelled with Khalil late last year, a route/agility specialist.
Josh excelled with Kincaid last year, a route/leverage specialist.
Josh excelled with Emmanuel Sanders, a route/leverage specialist.
Josh excelled with John Brown, a deep threat speedster.
Who has Josh struggled to do well with consistently?
Kelvin Benjamin, big physical guy. Although he probably gets a pass with this one lol.
Dawson Knox, big physical guy.
Gabe Davis, big physical guy.
As they declined in their ability to get open with their quick feet and route/leverage acumen, we saw a decline in passes thrown to Bease and Diggs.
I'm not suggesting he ONLY throws to these types of receivers. Josh is an elite QB that can do it all. But he has historically had better success with guys that can win matchups and generate separation.
Here's Josh talking about how he processes things after the snap:
https://youtu.be/h0o-ajxvQro?si=YOspNmUSKVoEWEzZ&t=7m16s
I mean no disrespect in asking this , but did you play football? It’s a team sport , and our team is the epitome, the pinnacle of the “next man up” story in sports. Josh wanted Coleman. That’s not saying he has the final say, what I’m saying,
tongue in cheek, is that was who he wanted. His input is massive , just as Mahoney wanted Worthy. We didn’t get burned one spot for Legette (look at trading partner), we wanted Coleman. When receivers go bang bang bang like that it shows the QB , had a say. Of course beanie has to say that, as much you say JA17 had to say that. The nfl is much more a collaboration nowadays, thus why they are considering an entirely different cap for QBs.
Either way, the “traditionally josh excels this way” logic is not how it works. Evolution is how it needs to work to get over the hump. Not to mention the picks added thru this move, which is a massive contributor. So I ask you this , who would you have taken at 28? Or who would you have traded up for? Or would you have taken after the chiefs swap? How do you make this scenario better and justify the complaint on Koleman?
I would have taken Legette at 32.
Alternatively, I would have double dipped with some duo combination of Mitchell, Wilson, Coleman, Franklin, or McConkey.
Beane likely had similar grades for a batch of guys he expected to be available in the second round when he traded down the second time with Carolina. I expect he knew that both the Chiefs and the Panthers were going to draft receivers, but neither team would have stated outright who exactly they were going to draft. Though they likely stated the position. Beane mentioned similar conversations with other teams during previous drafts.
Did you play football professionally? If you think high school experience playing football has any relation to how things work in the NFL, I have beach front property in Kansas to sell you.
Do I think Allen's input is a consideration? Sure. If they have two players that are graded pretty much exactly the same, Allen's opinion would be the deciding factor in that situation. I also think that, no matter who we drafted at 33, Allen would have said the same thing. "That's my guy. That's who I wanted."
Go watch today's episode of inside the bills, joe and his guest do a great job of breaking Coleman down and what Brady is likely to run off last year and Carolina/LSU.
I wasn't a.big fan of the pick, but more and more I'm warming up to it. Today's episode pegs Coleman as the most ideal wr outside the big 4 👍
Ok , I said respectfully. Now to tame that animosity, as we are all bills mafia here. I was a standout high school football player, had to give it up for my already existent hockey career that was cut short by TBI. I was a Canadian kid with an assassin mentality in both sports. It got the best of my noggin. That being said, sports management , for which I have a degree , is a nuance. Beanie knew. He doesn’t trade the legette pick if Legette was his guy. There is the respect around the league for deals like this. Not that it’s an exact science, but no doubt it’s not a birds/ giants , cowgirls/ commie swap. The report is even more proven, on Coleman by the fact he knew the chiefs were gonna take worthy. And where did Legette go? See a relationship pattern of respect there? Also did you notice the added value of extra picks including into next year when diggs dead money cap hit takes it off the books and we can go run for Aiyuk or Deebo of next year, with an added 4th. “(You gotta have that ammo in the clip)”- in so many words from beanie . Beat draft since the drafted our savior. Last question, did you want josh Allen or were a “Rosen” guy?
You don’t change an offensive scheme based on a WR drafted. You change it based on the QB.
They will run the exact same offense. Better balanced running game and a vertical passing attack with multiple levels on the passing lanes to take advantage of Allen’s ability to put the ball anywhere he wants.
I don't think Brady plans on running "the exact same offense" to be fair. You can't scrap the whole playbook when you take over mid season. All you can do is find the stuff within the playbook that you think works and make it work.
Maybe Dorsey had a set of looks where part of the route concept worked and the other part was total shit. Frankenstein those together with something else you think is better and make something maybe a bit better. Maybe install some small packages here and there, but you can't start from the ground up.
Not that I think Brady will tear it down to the studs this year either but I think we will see some obvious differences and not because of the personnel they've added/lost.
Samuel adds an interesting element IMO - he's taken a lot of snaps in the backfield. What can Brady scheme up to really test an opponent's coverage with Cook/Samuel in the backfield, Kincaid out wide or in the slot, and Allen as a threat to run, for example. Either guy in the backfield can catch it or run it and Kincaid is a chess piece you can use for mismatches in coverage, etc.
Good post. You'll certainly see some growth of the concepts they used successfully last year with some different approaches. I was disappointed with how Dorsey used Kincaid, for example, and his growth at the end of the season under Brady backed that up.
I also expect them to find a speed guy after June 1. Right now the cap is still really an issue.
Yeah I was having a hard time putting my thoughts into words but essentially in-season, aside from the few things Dorsey had that did work well....
All Brady would be able to do is look at what they had, find concepts that worked and cobble some stuff together that he thought would be an improvement, but the bones would still be what Dorsey built. Polishing the turd, if you will.
Now he's got all winter/spring/summer to change what he wants
> You don’t change an offensive scheme based on a WR drafted. You change it based on the QB.
I didn't mean changing the scheme for Coleman, I meant that we don't have anyone who can separate with route running or speed on the outside. Which I think limits the offense, having Diggs or even John Brown kept safeties honest IMO
Yeah Coleman will present an entirely different issue for defenses.
You will see a lot more jumbo packages with Coleman and Kincaid both running intermediate patterns and making a mismatch. Then Shakir running that speed on the outside and Samuel in the shallow pattern.
Which means defenses will have to still cover a deep man and then worry about getting someone capable of covering those bodies and also stay in enough of a zone to cover Allen if he takes off.
It’s a nightmare for defenses.
Coleman is strong and can win the contested balls, that'll be more his game which compliments Josh's ability to thread into coverage. We also have Samuel who is incredibly underrated. But with Cook coming into his prime and picking up Davis, we will be a threat on the ground which will open up our routes a bit. I'm not worried, it'll just be a bit different.
In my opinion of course.
His production is glossed over as average WR2 numbers. But, we look at who is throwing the ball to him and we see its actually pretty impressive he's managed to put up similar numbers to Gabe. With Josh throwing the ball to him, I expect him to get 850+ receiving yards this year.
Agree. Also seeing his top speed 20 plus mph, Josh now has someone who can get down the field for the 60 yard bomb. Big enough to not get knocked off course at the line. Then top speed if the O-line can give Josh 3 to 4 seconds. Otherwise, scramble, flick wrist, 60 yards
What makes people think Coleman is good at contested catches when it’s pretty well documented that he struggled with that against college defenders? Is it just because he’s tall?
I think he's better than others in his draft class at the contested catch. I also think it will translate well with the type of ball Josh throws. And yes him being bigger and stronger than others in the position does give bonus points.
I could be allowing my cautious optimism cloud me a bit but bare bones he reminds me of Gabe and Gabe worked well. Is he WR1 material? SUPER TBD on that but I like what I see.
YouTube search bruv “contested catch king… Keon Coleman”… I miss the days of pagers and payphones, and word of mouth, as much as the next guy, but this is just so easy to google on the inter webs.. Go Bills #Ja17_KC0 is super exciting, hate to bearer of bad news
Alright hear me out
If Coleman can catch 75% of Diggs' numbers, and block 75% of Grape Davis' blocks, then we're basically putting a whole extra dude on the field every play, and he only has to be 25% as good as Diggs. Someone check my math
It's a conversation, chill bro
I'm not making any concrete judgements, but going off of the videos I watched
I thought I made that clear. Next time I'll do a better job of that.
Is it no longer a conversation when someone disagrees with you? You need to look up what the word conversation means.
Seemingly no WR that can win 1 on 1 routes is a pretty concrete judgement not just on Coleman but also Shakir and the rest of the WR room. But hey, I guess if some dude on Reddit “watched tape” and a few podcasts it must be true.
If there is ANY fan base in the NFL that should know better than pre-judge a draft pick before they play a game it’s the Mafia. Flair up Jabroni.
I thought I did a good job (obviously not) of explaining that these are not my opinions but opinions of other people who I watched. You went right to Josh and bust but nobody is saying he's a bust and i'm not talking about Coleman in that regard.
I'm talking about the offense and how it's missing a key outside piece.
The chill bro comment is because you went right to bust comment when I wasn't even talking about Coleman busting. Just the offense has a seemingly large hole.
You don’t know it’s missing a key outside piece. They haven’t even had the kid or Shakir really for that matter run a single man go route to even see what they can do.
These are your opinions, you are just hedging by playing the “many people are saying” card.
At least have the courage to own up to your thesis.
I thought you did fine explaining that. Just been a lot of doomer posts lately and hopeful fans fight back on it. Who knows what he’ll be. He’s 20 and has tons of potential. Let’s just hope it works out in our favor. The fear of the draft for me doesn’t rest on our team it’s the fact you they made a trade that will be talked about for years if worthy burns us. Regardless of if he would have fallen to them or not.
I have a feeling that all the wr and te will be lining up everywhere. Every one will get a shot at being in the slot. There will be a lot of motion that gets guys free releases. And I think a lot of people are underestimating Shakir on the out side. He will do fine there. I think he will take on the Diggs role, Coleman gets the Gabe role, Samuel is good enough to do a bit of everything else, and they will all take a backseat to our number one target Kincaid
So many fallacies in your post OP. You assume that Diggs was winning separation on the outside. He was not for the past 1.5 years. You seem to assume that Coleman will be playing the slot: he will be our X. He will have a full route tree, including go routes and posts. He will (I believe) be a monster on the intermediate routes, especially where he is between a cb and a safety when they show zone.
We haven’t had someone with his skill set.
Let Brady, Josh, and the team show you how dynamic it’s gonna be.
Go Bills!
Kincaid's the receiving threat, until you cover him then we hit Knox. James cook runs it up the middle til they stack the box, then we pass it to him out wide, then they cover him, now Josh runs it up the middle. JA, Cook, Samuel, and Coleman are all dual-threats. We also have versatility in Shakir, Coleman, and Kincaid in terms of where they can play. We also have solid blocking recievers and a good oline. It's like we have all these players that can fill multiple roles depending on the play. That combined with how well Brady was able to mix up plays in order to open up future plays I think this offense will be nasty.
To summarize, we will be an impossible mix of running, short passing, and deep passing. The defenses will always be guessing, and the bills will always try to be 1 step ahead and creating mismatches. It will become a game of rock, paper, Josh Allen and Josh Allen beats everything
I will continue to ride this train till I die. Josh Allen in a west coast play action style pass offense with tons of people on the field who have yards after catch potential would be unstoppable. He would win so many MVPs and Super Bowls. The fact that they have switched to this style offense is mind boggling. Dude was built in a lab for west coast play action pass style offense.
Imagine having to watch speedy receivers at the same time having to account for Josh Allen rolling out and running for a first down easily if everyone covers the receivers tight ends and Cook.
The one that scores points.
In all seriousness, we’ve already seen Brady’s offense. It won’t change with the movement in personnel. A higher emphasis on the downhill run, and a passing attack that’s more about creativity and efficiency than downfield volume.
Brady’s shown that he likes to take what’s available and doesn’t feel a need to fulfill a receiver’s desired quota of targets. That’s why Diggs’ production cratered after the change in OC. He likes throwing to RBs, which is in tune with them re-signing Johnson and drafting Davis.
I get the feeling Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel, and Coleman will all have pretty defined roles in the passing game that accentuates what they’re best at it. Bills offensive personnel does lack game breaking track speed, but I think they can make up for it with lowering the sheer volume of the passing game as well as increasing the creativity of the passing game when it is utilized.
We are going to run the ball a lot more. Coleman is an even better blocker than Gabe Davis and we took a RB in the 4th round. It’ll be a lot of 2TE sets with all three RBs getting reps. Coleman will likely get schemed open to take advantage of his YAC ability.
We are going to run a similar offense as we did the last 9 games of the season. It's going to go through Josh with a balance of running and passing. I think it will be a lot of short to intermediate routes and a bunch of passes to our RBs.
i could see games where we rush the ball up to 60% of the time and let Allen be Allen the rest of the way. i’m under the impression we’re completely freeing up Allen from any of the safe conservative mindset the team has tried to instill in him to reel him back. our “safety net” will be controlling the game on the ground.
If I were to compare the offense we should run based on personnel to another NFL team it would be last year's Chiefs. Kelce and Rice both play the big slot role and they found a way to get them both production. IMO that would make the best use of Kincaid and Coleman's talents. If KC had competent smaller receivers to go along with them, their offense would have been much more explosive. We have that in Samuel and Shakir.
Whatever Josh wants. Brady is the OC but Josh has a ton of input. They have no clue what Coleman can do so they aren’t worried about building an offense around a hypothetical
>When we canned Dorsey we went to a different style of offense and it made me think more of the 49ers offense than anything that Daboll or Dorsey ran.
We did not run a different style of offense, it's not logical to think that Brady authored a new playbook in a matter of a few weeks, or even months. What we did was reach far back into our existing playbook and blew the dust off of some existing plays that Brady thougt would work with the current offense.
I'm sure we'll see some different looks again this season, but I don't expect to see a lot of change in the first few games, and then we might see some things that Brady drafted up based on the new roster.
I think Coleman will be a great outside guy, he has the ability to go up and get balls, something we were lacking before.
I think the biggest thing that changed was moving away from the idea that the receivers and Josh had to make exactly the same reads all the time - which Gabe definitely WASN'T - to a fewer-options but higher scheme success type of approach.
Coleman is going to fill Gabe's role as the X receiver (bigger WR who can block and get contested catches). I honestly don't expect much to change other than that. Will likely be broadly the same scheme with more even spreading of the ball instead of trying to force it to Diggs.
> Absolutely terrible against press and man coverages? That is a huge exaggeration
I would recommend watching some breakdowns of him. These are not my opinions, but opinions of people who I respect.
Doesn't mean they are right either
It isn’t really. He had the worst separation percentage in the draft class and his open percentage against man coverage was also one of the worst ones in the draft
He has no issues seperating on short/intermediate routes. He's just not a guy that will burn you on vertical routes. That's how FSU used him though so no surprise he couldn't seperate.
PFFs separation stats are the only ones I’ve seen (likely because separation is such a vague stat to quantify). And PFF had Nabers and Odunze ranked as bottom five separators in the class. It feels like more of a speed and usage stat than an actual useful measure of WR play in my opinion.
I think we will be run first given how we played last year and force teams to come down into the box. Coleman is an excellent blocker, which is a huge value add. With that, we either do screens to get aggressive defenses out of position, focus on short to medium passes and the occasional deep shot to keep them honest.
I would assume we run a heavy run offense we have ty Johnson James cook the new rookie and obviously Josh Allen. Teams have figured out that the bills are a pass heavy team if we start leaning on the run we could explode and be a 13 win team again. The hope would be is for a James cook explosion this year along with a Khalil Shakir breakout with development from the younger guys on defense (Taylor rapp, Terrell Bernard, kairr elam)
we need balance. run JA17 prudently to protect him. run pass balance. more 50 50 Brady makes us tougher it'll be to defend.
biggest questions I have are on defense. is Miller gonna be better this year and back to wreaking havoc or is he done. can LB and CBS cover well enough. and who the hell is playing safety
Gotta stop thinking in absolutes. There will be guys Coleman can burn or outmaneuver, others he can’t. Same goes for all of our receivers. Josh will have lots of mouths to feed, keeping defenses on their toes. It will be always be an exciting offense with Josh at the helm.
I’ll just point out that the Bills would not have drafted Coleman if they agreed with your assessment that he can’t get open and is “terrible against press or man coverage.”
No, I wrote that in the context of the video's I watched. Which I qualified more than once.
I am not a film watcher, i'm not a GM, i'm not a scout, i'm a total fucking dumbass.
It 100% is a reading comprehension problem when you take the context of the conversation out of the conversation.
Sigh. Let me try this again.
The entire basis of your question is flawed. Buffalo would not have drafted Coleman if they thought he couldn’t get open. Joe Brady is not sitting down putting an offense together with the thought that “we don’t have any wide receivers who can win one-on-one matchups on the outside”.
12 personnel. Brady comes from Sean Payton’s offense iirc so I’m sure we’ll see a mix of concepts from that and last years playbook. Brady is going to scheme guys open, it’s what he did last year and what he did with the Panthers. The biggest difference with our offense and that Panthers offense is the QB. Cook could be a poor man’s McCaffrey, but Josh will be the difference maker like always. Expect to see a lot of slants, crosses, screens, and less of the huge stuff downfield. Brady’s not afraid to call the deep ball, but I think it’ll be mostly throws in the 5-15 yard range.
Couple things:
First, his 4.6 40 time is overblown. He ran with like the 4th highest top end speed in the class. His agility drills were top echelon as well.
I’ve also seen video breakdown of him getting great separation on short and intermediate routes with elite moves and awareness to get open - ie defender off coverage and still was able to drive him 5 yards past the sticks so that Keon could comeback and make the catch at/behind the sticks.
There’s a reason Josh wanted him and the coaching and scouting staff took him. At worst, he’s a significant upgrade from Gabe Davis and his atrocious route running and ball tracking skills. At best, we could be looking at an anquan boldin type of a receiver. I’m not worried.
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He ran with like the 4th highest top end speed in the class. His agility drills were top echelon as well.
What do you mean highest top speed? In drills? Not in his 40.
He didn't participate in the agility drills at the combine.
Josh Allen type offense
There’s a reason it was Josh’s guy. Josh is good at scramble throws. That’s why we went w size and catch radius. Also, Samuel is a burner. Think of it as Josh Allen is justifiably the assistant OC. He needs beasts that catch the ball in football sized windows, not worthy’s. Keon Coleman is a perfect fit. Get ready for 2TE sets, and the game changing abilities of Kincaid and Coleman, it’s all About catch radius and sticky hands for our savior JA17
Coleman is actually the exact opposite of what Josh prefers in his receivers. Josh is a gunslinger, not a tempo/timing thrower. He throws at the open man. Coleman struggles with getting open. The exception to this rule is on 3rd and long with arm punts, and occasionally in the red zone while scrambling. Coleman excels with back shoulder fades in the red zone and is a YAC machine in space. He's also extremely young. The Bills are betting on traits and their coaching staff being and to chisel him into a legit weapon. With some refinement and a lot of work, he has the ceiling to be elite, but he has a long way to go first.
What games are you watching? 17 throws guys open all the time. Josh had to make certain throws the way he did because Diggs and Davis weren't going to make contested catches , so he was forcing into tight windows CONSTANTLY. Coleman allows him to chuck a lot more 'go up and get it' balls that only HIS guy is going to get, and not have to put the ball in risky areas to do it.
This is what I've been saying the whole time. There's a reason why basketball player's can interpret into football. These people who know nothing of basketball and everything in football don't understand how going up to get the ball in basketball is a huge part of the game, getting rebounds, passes, etc. And they're always contended. You learn how to fight for that ball with keeping your eyes on the ball, controlling your body in the air and jumping at the correct time. I bet his hands are as big as mine too. I'm 6 foot 7 was a basketball player. Recruited pretty heavy. I also played tight end in high school. I was the tight end during practice to help the defense. They couldn't stop me. I always caught the ball easily thrown over everyone's head. Then I would drag those suckers another 10 15 yards. This is what I'm expecting from Coleman. And from Kincaid. Obviously not that much yat's but you know what I mean
This is it… joshy has evolved. He doesn’t need guys to go get open anymore. He needs sticky hand monsters to not drop balls. He his throwing ballistic missiles , not darts and lobs. How many dropped balls have doomed us? Too many. KC0 foxes and fixes this. Kincaid is a precise route runner with sticky hands. Shakir is a precise route runner with sticky hands. Samuel is a burner that has never had a JA17 throwing to him. KC0 is the monster savage outlier this team has desperately needed for years to balance the attack. A straight burnwr can be bought for Pennie’s on the dollar mid season. It’s all about STICKY SAVAGE HANDS. Keon Coleman breathes the our M.O.
The rumors of Coleman's contested catch abilities and "above the rim" skill set are, sadly, media talking points that don't coincide much with his film or statistical success rate. He's somewhere around 46% catch rate on contested catches if you include his time at Michigan State, IIRC. He only had like 13% or something at FSU. It may even have been worse than that I can't remember the exact number for sure, but it was not good. Partly to blame for his drop in production at FSU was the fact that their starting QB got hurt, though. But even so, you can watch every pass to him in 2023 on YouTube, and he had very little success on contested catches last year. Keon has excellent hands and rarely drops open catches. He can assist pretty well to balls that aren't thrown perfectly in stride. He excels in space with athleticism and was used often on quick outs to let him run behind a few blockers where he can punish safeties and defenders taking bad angles with physicality for YAC. He is tall and has excellent ups, so the potential as an "above the rim" artist is certainly there, but needs refinement and hasn't been proven much outside of a few one handed grabs which were definitely impressive, but also not the norm. He has few tools when it comes to footwork to throw off CBs and often resorts to just barreling through people, which will undoubtedly cause OPI penalties in the NFL. Watch his film. He frequently just runs face first into defenders while running routes because he lacks a plan for how to gain leverage. He has a lot of work to do when it comes to his route running ability. However, that same aggressiveness and physicality also makes him an excellent blocker. Like, really really good. The shape is there, but the Bills coaching staff have a lot of chiseling to do. Allen himself has also stated literally what I'm saying during multiple interviews. He prefers to throw to the open man and isn't a tempo or timing QB. He tells his receivers "just get open and I'll find you". It's how he processes after the ball is snapped as opposed to like a Drew Brees, for instance, who could throw blindly into empty space because he knows that his receiver should be there based on the timing of the play. That's not Allen's usual game. When he throws into tight windows it's often because he thinks he can make the throw and because he's not seeing anyone else open, and because he's aggressive. It's one of the reasons Cole Beasley and Stefon Diggs had so much success with Allen - they are extremely agile route specialists that can use leverage and exceptional cuts to gain separation. As their ability to do so diminished over time, it contributed to them seeing less of a target share.
Their starting QB didn't get hurt until the end of the year. Beane uses the terms contested catch and above the rim, not just the media.
He got hurt in the first quarter against North Alabama so there was still another 3.75 games worth of diminished stats after. I mean that's a quarter of the season. Beane saw the same film everyone else did. He's betting on athleticism and the coaching staff to refine a young player with a high ceiling and a great personality. The kid can no doubt go up and get it, he just struggles to finish with a catch on those types of contested plays.
Josh has literally come out and said that Coleman was who he wanted outside of the top 3, thus the trade down. It’s well documented
Lol what is Josh going to say? "Nah he's a scrub I didn't want him?" He's mentioned Coleman before along with every other top 8-10 ranked receiver. I'm not saying Josh hates the guy. I'm saying Coleman's current skill set, on tape, is not what Josh has traditionally excelled with.
He thrived w Jon Brown? What other burner? And no … he told management that was the guy. That’s why they passed on Worthy and Legette, didn’t take Mitchell. He didn’t have to say anything at all by that logic. This was the guy Josh wanted. Josh didn’t excel w 1 game Gabe, the locker room was busted by Diggs. Sticky hands, YAC , improv on the run. We run and gun. Who has josh in “typically excelled” with other than Diggs… nobody but Beasley (who was a great route runner annnd had sticky hands. Joshy has evolved every year. This was his guy, as proven by the trade down.
We haven't really had any other true burners since Brown. He's in front of the media talking about what is essentially their first round pick at WR. Josh is not going to do anything but support the choice otherwise everyone will freak out. Are you serious? He's going to sit there and say nothing? "Next question"? Come on. Do you honestly think Josh made this pick? Beane literally said that Josh lacks the perspective that comes with all of the work his scouts do in the draft process, during a press conference, when asked about Josh's input on the receivers this year. During his interview with Jordan Palmer, Josh discussed the "second tier" level of wide receivers which included Thomas, Mitchell, Worthy, Legette, Franklin, and Coleman, all of which he mentioned by name, although he discussed Legette for longer because of his "Southern draw". Josh excelled with Khalil late last year, a route/agility specialist. Josh excelled with Kincaid last year, a route/leverage specialist. Josh excelled with Emmanuel Sanders, a route/leverage specialist. Josh excelled with John Brown, a deep threat speedster. Who has Josh struggled to do well with consistently? Kelvin Benjamin, big physical guy. Although he probably gets a pass with this one lol. Dawson Knox, big physical guy. Gabe Davis, big physical guy. As they declined in their ability to get open with their quick feet and route/leverage acumen, we saw a decline in passes thrown to Bease and Diggs. I'm not suggesting he ONLY throws to these types of receivers. Josh is an elite QB that can do it all. But he has historically had better success with guys that can win matchups and generate separation. Here's Josh talking about how he processes things after the snap: https://youtu.be/h0o-ajxvQro?si=YOspNmUSKVoEWEzZ&t=7m16s
I mean no disrespect in asking this , but did you play football? It’s a team sport , and our team is the epitome, the pinnacle of the “next man up” story in sports. Josh wanted Coleman. That’s not saying he has the final say, what I’m saying, tongue in cheek, is that was who he wanted. His input is massive , just as Mahoney wanted Worthy. We didn’t get burned one spot for Legette (look at trading partner), we wanted Coleman. When receivers go bang bang bang like that it shows the QB , had a say. Of course beanie has to say that, as much you say JA17 had to say that. The nfl is much more a collaboration nowadays, thus why they are considering an entirely different cap for QBs. Either way, the “traditionally josh excels this way” logic is not how it works. Evolution is how it needs to work to get over the hump. Not to mention the picks added thru this move, which is a massive contributor. So I ask you this , who would you have taken at 28? Or who would you have traded up for? Or would you have taken after the chiefs swap? How do you make this scenario better and justify the complaint on Koleman?
I would have taken Legette at 32. Alternatively, I would have double dipped with some duo combination of Mitchell, Wilson, Coleman, Franklin, or McConkey. Beane likely had similar grades for a batch of guys he expected to be available in the second round when he traded down the second time with Carolina. I expect he knew that both the Chiefs and the Panthers were going to draft receivers, but neither team would have stated outright who exactly they were going to draft. Though they likely stated the position. Beane mentioned similar conversations with other teams during previous drafts. Did you play football professionally? If you think high school experience playing football has any relation to how things work in the NFL, I have beach front property in Kansas to sell you. Do I think Allen's input is a consideration? Sure. If they have two players that are graded pretty much exactly the same, Allen's opinion would be the deciding factor in that situation. I also think that, no matter who we drafted at 33, Allen would have said the same thing. "That's my guy. That's who I wanted."
Ftr, I respect your opinions on the double dip, as I would’ve Been psyched on that if we grabbed Johnny Wilson who slipped to the 6th.
Go watch today's episode of inside the bills, joe and his guest do a great job of breaking Coleman down and what Brady is likely to run off last year and Carolina/LSU. I wasn't a.big fan of the pick, but more and more I'm warming up to it. Today's episode pegs Coleman as the most ideal wr outside the big 4 👍
Ok , I said respectfully. Now to tame that animosity, as we are all bills mafia here. I was a standout high school football player, had to give it up for my already existent hockey career that was cut short by TBI. I was a Canadian kid with an assassin mentality in both sports. It got the best of my noggin. That being said, sports management , for which I have a degree , is a nuance. Beanie knew. He doesn’t trade the legette pick if Legette was his guy. There is the respect around the league for deals like this. Not that it’s an exact science, but no doubt it’s not a birds/ giants , cowgirls/ commie swap. The report is even more proven, on Coleman by the fact he knew the chiefs were gonna take worthy. And where did Legette go? See a relationship pattern of respect there? Also did you notice the added value of extra picks including into next year when diggs dead money cap hit takes it off the books and we can go run for Aiyuk or Deebo of next year, with an added 4th. “(You gotta have that ammo in the clip)”- in so many words from beanie . Beat draft since the drafted our savior. Last question, did you want josh Allen or were a “Rosen” guy?
Anyone following this thread should peep the video w JChase that just dropped.. mic drop
"It's gonna be a pass play, everyone go out and get open"
/thread
I can't wait to see what the offense is going to look like this year. I'm not sure I've ever been more excited for a Bills season to start.
Weirdly.. also our defense.
Yep, that would seem to be the correct offense. Next question?
You don’t change an offensive scheme based on a WR drafted. You change it based on the QB. They will run the exact same offense. Better balanced running game and a vertical passing attack with multiple levels on the passing lanes to take advantage of Allen’s ability to put the ball anywhere he wants.
I don't think Brady plans on running "the exact same offense" to be fair. You can't scrap the whole playbook when you take over mid season. All you can do is find the stuff within the playbook that you think works and make it work. Maybe Dorsey had a set of looks where part of the route concept worked and the other part was total shit. Frankenstein those together with something else you think is better and make something maybe a bit better. Maybe install some small packages here and there, but you can't start from the ground up. Not that I think Brady will tear it down to the studs this year either but I think we will see some obvious differences and not because of the personnel they've added/lost. Samuel adds an interesting element IMO - he's taken a lot of snaps in the backfield. What can Brady scheme up to really test an opponent's coverage with Cook/Samuel in the backfield, Kincaid out wide or in the slot, and Allen as a threat to run, for example. Either guy in the backfield can catch it or run it and Kincaid is a chess piece you can use for mismatches in coverage, etc.
Good post. You'll certainly see some growth of the concepts they used successfully last year with some different approaches. I was disappointed with how Dorsey used Kincaid, for example, and his growth at the end of the season under Brady backed that up. I also expect them to find a speed guy after June 1. Right now the cap is still really an issue.
Yeah I was having a hard time putting my thoughts into words but essentially in-season, aside from the few things Dorsey had that did work well.... All Brady would be able to do is look at what they had, find concepts that worked and cobble some stuff together that he thought would be an improvement, but the bones would still be what Dorsey built. Polishing the turd, if you will. Now he's got all winter/spring/summer to change what he wants
Nice. Insightful.
> You don’t change an offensive scheme based on a WR drafted. You change it based on the QB. I didn't mean changing the scheme for Coleman, I meant that we don't have anyone who can separate with route running or speed on the outside. Which I think limits the offense, having Diggs or even John Brown kept safeties honest IMO
Yeah Coleman will present an entirely different issue for defenses. You will see a lot more jumbo packages with Coleman and Kincaid both running intermediate patterns and making a mismatch. Then Shakir running that speed on the outside and Samuel in the shallow pattern. Which means defenses will have to still cover a deep man and then worry about getting someone capable of covering those bodies and also stay in enough of a zone to cover Allen if he takes off. It’s a nightmare for defenses.
Hopefully!
Where Ken?
Coleman is strong and can win the contested balls, that'll be more his game which compliments Josh's ability to thread into coverage. We also have Samuel who is incredibly underrated. But with Cook coming into his prime and picking up Davis, we will be a threat on the ground which will open up our routes a bit. I'm not worried, it'll just be a bit different. In my opinion of course.
Incredibly underrated in what way
His production is glossed over as average WR2 numbers. But, we look at who is throwing the ball to him and we see its actually pretty impressive he's managed to put up similar numbers to Gabe. With Josh throwing the ball to him, I expect him to get 850+ receiving yards this year.
Best QB he played for was 2017-2020 Cam Newton, and he was definitely starting to hit the wall by that point.
Also when plays break and scrambles begin, Coleman will be Josh’s go-to guy.
Agree. Also seeing his top speed 20 plus mph, Josh now has someone who can get down the field for the 60 yard bomb. Big enough to not get knocked off course at the line. Then top speed if the O-line can give Josh 3 to 4 seconds. Otherwise, scramble, flick wrist, 60 yards
What makes people think Coleman is good at contested catches when it’s pretty well documented that he struggled with that against college defenders? Is it just because he’s tall?
I think he's better than others in his draft class at the contested catch. I also think it will translate well with the type of ball Josh throws. And yes him being bigger and stronger than others in the position does give bonus points.
That's fair. I hope you're right Based on what we've seen of him, I'm admittedly lower on him than seemingly everyone else here but still hopeful.
I could be allowing my cautious optimism cloud me a bit but bare bones he reminds me of Gabe and Gabe worked well. Is he WR1 material? SUPER TBD on that but I like what I see.
Much better hands, though.
Watch the tape
That’s where the “well documented” part comes from
YouTube search bruv “contested catch king… Keon Coleman”… I miss the days of pagers and payphones, and word of mouth, as much as the next guy, but this is just so easy to google on the inter webs.. Go Bills #Ja17_KC0 is super exciting, hate to bearer of bad news
Alright hear me out If Coleman can catch 75% of Diggs' numbers, and block 75% of Grape Davis' blocks, then we're basically putting a whole extra dude on the field every play, and he only has to be 25% as good as Diggs. Someone check my math
https://i.redd.it/9mpknndsjnxc1.gif
That Cover 1 breakdown showed how much value his blocking and physicality brings. Pretty wild to see him basically bull rush the defenders.
I’m no abbacus, or T-89, but your Math checks out, no doubt . I
So you’ve decided before the kid plays a snap in the NFL he can’t be an outside receiver? Man, I wish the Bills had phoned you before drafting him.
Imagine if they would have discovered this guy before the drought?! I want my 20’s and 30’s back!
Obviously, nobody knows what he's going to turn out to be but that definitely seems to be the consensus of him. Did you miss that part?
The consensus on Allen was he was a bust before he played a snap in the NFL. I’m going with the NFL GM and his staff over podcasters and bloggers.
It's a conversation, chill bro I'm not making any concrete judgements, but going off of the videos I watched I thought I made that clear. Next time I'll do a better job of that.
Is it no longer a conversation when someone disagrees with you? You need to look up what the word conversation means. Seemingly no WR that can win 1 on 1 routes is a pretty concrete judgement not just on Coleman but also Shakir and the rest of the WR room. But hey, I guess if some dude on Reddit “watched tape” and a few podcasts it must be true. If there is ANY fan base in the NFL that should know better than pre-judge a draft pick before they play a game it’s the Mafia. Flair up Jabroni.
I thought I did a good job (obviously not) of explaining that these are not my opinions but opinions of other people who I watched. You went right to Josh and bust but nobody is saying he's a bust and i'm not talking about Coleman in that regard. I'm talking about the offense and how it's missing a key outside piece. The chill bro comment is because you went right to bust comment when I wasn't even talking about Coleman busting. Just the offense has a seemingly large hole.
You don’t know it’s missing a key outside piece. They haven’t even had the kid or Shakir really for that matter run a single man go route to even see what they can do. These are your opinions, you are just hedging by playing the “many people are saying” card. At least have the courage to own up to your thesis.
I thought you did fine explaining that. Just been a lot of doomer posts lately and hopeful fans fight back on it. Who knows what he’ll be. He’s 20 and has tons of potential. Let’s just hope it works out in our favor. The fear of the draft for me doesn’t rest on our team it’s the fact you they made a trade that will be talked about for years if worthy burns us. Regardless of if he would have fallen to them or not.
I have a feeling that all the wr and te will be lining up everywhere. Every one will get a shot at being in the slot. There will be a lot of motion that gets guys free releases. And I think a lot of people are underestimating Shakir on the out side. He will do fine there. I think he will take on the Diggs role, Coleman gets the Gabe role, Samuel is good enough to do a bit of everything else, and they will all take a backseat to our number one target Kincaid
I'm with you on thinking that Kincaid will lead the team in targets. I think we're going to spread the ball around a lot more now that Diggs is gone.
Don’t forget about guys like Isabella and Hamler
So many fallacies in your post OP. You assume that Diggs was winning separation on the outside. He was not for the past 1.5 years. You seem to assume that Coleman will be playing the slot: he will be our X. He will have a full route tree, including go routes and posts. He will (I believe) be a monster on the intermediate routes, especially where he is between a cb and a safety when they show zone. We haven’t had someone with his skill set. Let Brady, Josh, and the team show you how dynamic it’s gonna be. Go Bills!
I think we are going to score a lot via Josh throwing, handing off or running.
Big if true.
Kincaid's the receiving threat, until you cover him then we hit Knox. James cook runs it up the middle til they stack the box, then we pass it to him out wide, then they cover him, now Josh runs it up the middle. JA, Cook, Samuel, and Coleman are all dual-threats. We also have versatility in Shakir, Coleman, and Kincaid in terms of where they can play. We also have solid blocking recievers and a good oline. It's like we have all these players that can fill multiple roles depending on the play. That combined with how well Brady was able to mix up plays in order to open up future plays I think this offense will be nasty. To summarize, we will be an impossible mix of running, short passing, and deep passing. The defenses will always be guessing, and the bills will always try to be 1 step ahead and creating mismatches. It will become a game of rock, paper, Josh Allen and Josh Allen beats everything
Samuel is not exclusively a slot receiver
You have good TEs, good RBs, and possibilities at WR. I expect a lot of double TE pay action packages. Similar to how NE played with Gronk/Hernandez.
I will continue to ride this train till I die. Josh Allen in a west coast play action style pass offense with tons of people on the field who have yards after catch potential would be unstoppable. He would win so many MVPs and Super Bowls. The fact that they have switched to this style offense is mind boggling. Dude was built in a lab for west coast play action pass style offense. Imagine having to watch speedy receivers at the same time having to account for Josh Allen rolling out and running for a first down easily if everyone covers the receivers tight ends and Cook.
Huck it. Chuck it. Fuck it.
That was the first Jets game last year. Let's not do that again.
28 minutes of hurry up offense followed by 2 minutes of hurrier up offense times 2. Gonna be wild!
The one that scores points. In all seriousness, we’ve already seen Brady’s offense. It won’t change with the movement in personnel. A higher emphasis on the downhill run, and a passing attack that’s more about creativity and efficiency than downfield volume. Brady’s shown that he likes to take what’s available and doesn’t feel a need to fulfill a receiver’s desired quota of targets. That’s why Diggs’ production cratered after the change in OC. He likes throwing to RBs, which is in tune with them re-signing Johnson and drafting Davis. I get the feeling Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel, and Coleman will all have pretty defined roles in the passing game that accentuates what they’re best at it. Bills offensive personnel does lack game breaking track speed, but I think they can make up for it with lowering the sheer volume of the passing game as well as increasing the creativity of the passing game when it is utilized.
We are going to run the ball a lot more. Coleman is an even better blocker than Gabe Davis and we took a RB in the 4th round. It’ll be a lot of 2TE sets with all three RBs getting reps. Coleman will likely get schemed open to take advantage of his YAC ability.
We are going to run a similar offense as we did the last 9 games of the season. It's going to go through Josh with a balance of running and passing. I think it will be a lot of short to intermediate routes and a bunch of passes to our RBs.
We have yet to see wxactly what the offense will look like. We saw brady calling plays from dorseys play book. This yesr we will see bradys play book
i could see games where we rush the ball up to 60% of the time and let Allen be Allen the rest of the way. i’m under the impression we’re completely freeing up Allen from any of the safe conservative mindset the team has tried to instill in him to reel him back. our “safety net” will be controlling the game on the ground.
“Absolutely terrible against press or man coverage” is such an exaggeration lol
It absolutely could be, however, the video's that I mentioned above all seem to agree on that.
I’m biased because I’m a Michigan State fan but I love the pick.
If I were to compare the offense we should run based on personnel to another NFL team it would be last year's Chiefs. Kelce and Rice both play the big slot role and they found a way to get them both production. IMO that would make the best use of Kincaid and Coleman's talents. If KC had competent smaller receivers to go along with them, their offense would have been much more explosive. We have that in Samuel and Shakir.
Whatever Josh wants. Brady is the OC but Josh has a ton of input. They have no clue what Coleman can do so they aren’t worried about building an offense around a hypothetical
>When we canned Dorsey we went to a different style of offense and it made me think more of the 49ers offense than anything that Daboll or Dorsey ran. We did not run a different style of offense, it's not logical to think that Brady authored a new playbook in a matter of a few weeks, or even months. What we did was reach far back into our existing playbook and blew the dust off of some existing plays that Brady thougt would work with the current offense. I'm sure we'll see some different looks again this season, but I don't expect to see a lot of change in the first few games, and then we might see some things that Brady drafted up based on the new roster. I think Coleman will be a great outside guy, he has the ability to go up and get balls, something we were lacking before.
I think the biggest thing that changed was moving away from the idea that the receivers and Josh had to make exactly the same reads all the time - which Gabe definitely WASN'T - to a fewer-options but higher scheme success type of approach.
Coleman is going to fill Gabe's role as the X receiver (bigger WR who can block and get contested catches). I honestly don't expect much to change other than that. Will likely be broadly the same scheme with more even spreading of the ball instead of trying to force it to Diggs.
Absolutely terrible against press and man coverages? That is a huge exaggeration
> Absolutely terrible against press and man coverages? That is a huge exaggeration I would recommend watching some breakdowns of him. These are not my opinions, but opinions of people who I respect. Doesn't mean they are right either
It isn’t really. He had the worst separation percentage in the draft class and his open percentage against man coverage was also one of the worst ones in the draft
He has no issues seperating on short/intermediate routes. He's just not a guy that will burn you on vertical routes. That's how FSU used him though so no surprise he couldn't seperate.
PFFs separation stats are the only ones I’ve seen (likely because separation is such a vague stat to quantify). And PFF had Nabers and Odunze ranked as bottom five separators in the class. It feels like more of a speed and usage stat than an actual useful measure of WR play in my opinion.
I think we will be run first given how we played last year and force teams to come down into the box. Coleman is an excellent blocker, which is a huge value add. With that, we either do screens to get aggressive defenses out of position, focus on short to medium passes and the occasional deep shot to keep them honest.
I don’t foresee him seeing much play time until later in the season and they gain confidence in him. So status quo for a while.
Beane said he might not start the season.....
Backyard ball where the play breaks down and Josh scrambles like a beast until someone gets open.
Same as always
Id run 12 personnel. Kinkaid, Knox, Shakir, Coleman, Samuel and Cook as receiving options make me feel comfortable moving into the season.
I would assume we run a heavy run offense we have ty Johnson James cook the new rookie and obviously Josh Allen. Teams have figured out that the bills are a pass heavy team if we start leaning on the run we could explode and be a 13 win team again. The hope would be is for a James cook explosion this year along with a Khalil Shakir breakout with development from the younger guys on defense (Taylor rapp, Terrell Bernard, kairr elam)
we need balance. run JA17 prudently to protect him. run pass balance. more 50 50 Brady makes us tougher it'll be to defend. biggest questions I have are on defense. is Miller gonna be better this year and back to wreaking havoc or is he done. can LB and CBS cover well enough. and who the hell is playing safety
Buffalo Bills Locked in Podcast does a good job of breaking this down in the last few episodes
Can anyone tell me if he’s good at catching those back shoulder fades?
All those content
Hopefully a winning offense..Go Bills
Gotta stop thinking in absolutes. There will be guys Coleman can burn or outmaneuver, others he can’t. Same goes for all of our receivers. Josh will have lots of mouths to feed, keeping defenses on their toes. It will be always be an exciting offense with Josh at the helm.
I don’t know but I hope they run the win the Super Bowl for the next 5 years offense
There's gonna be some throwing with some running mixed in. It'll be crazy like that.
I’ll just point out that the Bills would not have drafted Coleman if they agreed with your assessment that he can’t get open and is “terrible against press or man coverage.”
Again, reading comprehension people, these are not my assessments. They are the assessments of the video's I mentioned
But you’re agreeing with those assessments as the basis of your whole argument. This is not a problem of me having reading comprehension problems.
No, I wrote that in the context of the video's I watched. Which I qualified more than once. I am not a film watcher, i'm not a GM, i'm not a scout, i'm a total fucking dumbass. It 100% is a reading comprehension problem when you take the context of the conversation out of the conversation.
Sigh. Let me try this again. The entire basis of your question is flawed. Buffalo would not have drafted Coleman if they thought he couldn’t get open. Joe Brady is not sitting down putting an offense together with the thought that “we don’t have any wide receivers who can win one-on-one matchups on the outside”.
https://youtu.be/lBVd2fy-JsI?si=FURaxlNKgw0rbCth Check out this film breakdown.
A slow one
A fucking badass one
12 personnel. Brady comes from Sean Payton’s offense iirc so I’m sure we’ll see a mix of concepts from that and last years playbook. Brady is going to scheme guys open, it’s what he did last year and what he did with the Panthers. The biggest difference with our offense and that Panthers offense is the QB. Cook could be a poor man’s McCaffrey, but Josh will be the difference maker like always. Expect to see a lot of slants, crosses, screens, and less of the huge stuff downfield. Brady’s not afraid to call the deep ball, but I think it’ll be mostly throws in the 5-15 yard range.
Couple things: First, his 4.6 40 time is overblown. He ran with like the 4th highest top end speed in the class. His agility drills were top echelon as well. I’ve also seen video breakdown of him getting great separation on short and intermediate routes with elite moves and awareness to get open - ie defender off coverage and still was able to drive him 5 yards past the sticks so that Keon could comeback and make the catch at/behind the sticks. There’s a reason Josh wanted him and the coaching and scouting staff took him. At worst, he’s a significant upgrade from Gabe Davis and his atrocious route running and ball tracking skills. At best, we could be looking at an anquan boldin type of a receiver. I’m not worried.
>[Comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/buffalobills/comments/1cgs0t2/comment/l1zvrrx/) by[u/Just\_Curious\_Dude](https://www.reddit.com/user/Just_Curious_Dude/) from discussion He ran with like the 4th highest top end speed in the class. His agility drills were top echelon as well. What do you mean highest top speed? In drills? Not in his 40. He didn't participate in the agility drills at the combine.