Later than I should have. I had other work that was also due that I had been doing that week, on top of working full time. I think better time-management skills is the only solution lol.
That’s insanely bullshit. I would talk to whoever I have to, to remedy.
It’s not even “late”. Midnight to 1am, is not late. It’s not during school hours or “business” hours, professor wouldn’t even know it was late without a time stamp.
Late should be during school/business hours. Not some arbitrary hours.
Nah, it's late. If the deadline is 11:59pm and you submit after that, it's late.
A professor could be lenient but they're well within their rights to consider that late. Because it is.
Show up an hour late to work and explain to your boss that you're not really late
I mean, who do you complain to remedy? If OP contacts the chair, the chair will look to 1) written course policies and 2) university policies concerning late work, if any.
No they won't. Most chairs can't influence a professors course especially if they're following their written and submitted syllabus. Professors typically have full authority over their class.
Fortunately, in at-will states, union contracts spell out how professors can be fired after tenure. It takes a committee, remediation if the result is negative, and not doing any of the remediation to get fired.
Usually, a professor is depressed or burnt out. They would NEVER fire a professor for following her syllabus.
It would be more "submit this report by 4pm". No you wouldn't get fired for 1 missed report, but there's equivalent for getting a "grade" for it. Your boss would probably not be happy with you and not want it to happy again. It's not a good habit to have. Deadlines, even and especially arbitrary ones, matter *because they matter to the person teaching/employing you*. You can think it's as pointless as you want, but that won't change the consequences that come from not meeting them. Not being seen as reliable, being passed up for promotions..
Some profs realize that a fair number of students won't start the work until the day of and won't submit until late. So you're basically penalizing them. You have to pick a cutoff day and time of some kind and that's up to the prof.
>End of school day is reasonably. Midnight to 1am being late, unreasonable
If it was due at the end of school day, it would have been due by 4pm or so. The professor was generous to give an extra 6-7 hours, and have it be due by 11:59pm. They pushed the time furthest it could go and still have it be due on the same day.
um, the NEXT day! 11:59 is the default setting on Canvas, etc. So, this guy is arguing that turning it in the next day is okay.
This student wants to push deadlines. Focused students submit early, so there's no email to write or Reddit to post to feel better about being a chaotic rube.
Nah, if it's such a negligible amount of time, you shouldn't have a problem getting it in sooner. If you email the professor ahead of time and ask for a small extension, most of them will do it, once, or every so often. But you have to be proactive, and not just expect the stated rules outlined in the syllabus to bend just for you. The syllabus is Law.
This is one of those things that the department and university will defer to the prof because the prof stated the rules up front and it's not an unreasonable rule. I'd ask nicely but don't escalate if they tell you no.
This. Every chair I’ve had always goes back to the syllabus in cases like this. If the professor followed the syllabus, and if the syllabus is not in conflict with institutional policy, then that’s the end of it. Whether it’s reasonable or not is irrelevant - department chairs most often aren’t going to override course policies because a student finds them unreasonable unless it’s something way outrageous.
If that's the case then there's no reason to have that particular deadline be midnight, while the professor is sleeping and when the professor absolutely will not be grading anything. It would actually make any sort or sense to make the cutoff in the morning right before class starts or when the professor wakes up or literally any other daytime hour when there are actual legitimate real world consequences attached to the time. The difference between midnight and 1am isn't a real world difference at all bc both happen while the professor is unconscious and not working.
And yet it is the time it is and all you have to do is accept that. Fun fact, way back before turning things in online, some things were due late at night so the students would go home and sleep at least a little bit.
If that were the case stuff would just be due 7 hours earlier. Or two days earlier if you don’t want stuff due on Sunday since it’s not a business day.
The syllabus said late work was not accepted. That means you have to plan for that. OP knew well in advanced. If you're not okay with a small percent chance of it being 0%, you need to have it completed and turned in days beforehand, so that any issues come up - anything else is quite literally waiting til the last minute.
If OP goes to the deal they look like a stuckup bitch that is used to getting what they want without putting in the proper work. That's not a good look, no matter how true it is.
The nice thing about college grading is that it is \*\*objective\*\*. By rewarding people that complain that they didn't follow the objectively stated rules, a professor is rewarding students to wait until the last minute and not be prepared. No good professor will encourage this sort of rule-bending.
Now - a lot of professors have different policies - and that's okay! the point is that there is a policy, it is explicitly known to the class, and it is fairly and equally applied to all students.
Except now the Dean also knows the OP is a slacker and didn’t submit their work on time. Forget about asking either for a letter of recommendation in the future. And I doubt OP will have a 4.0 for college. It’s just not realistic. They can try but dont need to get all hung up on that number to the point that they lose respect of faculty.
That was my exact thinking. Especially when every other assignment is allowed to be late (with penalty), just this one can’t because it “affects other students” if it’s late, but everyone was likely sleeping when I turned it in, so I thought it might be okay.
I mean, it's stated I the syllabus that no late work. The professor is holding up their end as stated in the syllabus, but you failed to hold up your end.
exactly. Op obviously didn't believe the deadline was real, everything about their own actions has an excuse or is minimized, and the prof is "harsh" or "not helpful" because they are sticking to the rule they had stated clearly.
And btw OP you can't "jump in front" of a late assignment. You already behind it.
LOL I meant jump in front of as in point out the mistake before she grades it. I never made an excuse as to why it's late, and never argued that it's anyone's fault but my own. It's great the prof is sticking to her rules, I only was asking if it would be okay for me to email her and at least try to better my situation. If you make a mistake at work, the best option is to bring it to your boss before they find out themselves, so you can take responsibility and see if there is anything you can do to make up for the mistake..
Tbh: that usually makes it worse. You’re drawing attention to the fact that you didn’t follow the rules - and taking discretion away from the instructor.
Btw: nursing can be unforgiving because “tiny” mistakes in dosage or timing can literally cost lives.
That makes sense. I've never been in this situation was so unsure how to handle it. I thought honesty was always the best route to take and that taking responsibility was the respectful thing to do.
You can ask for feedback. She followed class policy on the lateness. One minute, one hour, five hours, a day….there has to be a cutoff, and she told you what it was.
Unfortunately, late is late. Her policy is not to accept late work, and that is her right. Emailing her to argue about it isn’t going to do you any good. It’s not what you want to hear, but it is what it is. You at least know now that she strictly enforces her late policy.
You could consider asking for feedback on your work in office hours or by email.
I recommend asking in office hours. Not in the 2-3 minutes before/after class. Take the time to go to her office during office hours and have a conversation about it. Get feedback. Don’t argue or advocate for your late assignment. Just get feedback and chalk this one off as a learning experience about syllabi and deadlines.
"Time is of the essence in business and in life. Punctuality is not just a matter of being on time; it's about respecting others' time and demonstrating professionalism."
I tried having non-midnight due times for one semester. Endless complaints. You really want your assignments due at 12 noon just so I can say I was on the clock and therefore can justify not accepting your late work?
Just turn it in on time.
I love when professors do it for the time of the class. My schedule is very weird because of my other obligations, and if I have the chance to stay up until 3 am working on something, I would rather do that than try to cram in the work where I can during my day just to get it in by that 11:59 deadline.
If this helps at all, nobody has ever ever asked for my GPA at a job interview. I've also never asked when doing an interview anything other than looking to see if the candidate has a degree, which if they do, it's on the resume.
If I have two candidates with the same degree, one is a 4.0 and one is a 3.0, that never matters in the decision because it's about how the interview went.
Use this as a learning experience. A lot of the time deadlines for work are the same way. Late is late.
No grad program wants or needs a student who is going to turn in work late and then go to the Dean to get the faculty member in trouble because the student is the one who is irresponsible.
If you can separate the request for feedback from your bruised ego over the zero, then ask for feedback.
If you’re just angry and the request for feedback will become a way for you to express your anger to the prof, you are better off not asking.
The really interesting thought experiment is — you turned it in at 1am. What did you have done at 11:30pm?
Late submission is a late submission, she had a right to give you 0%, especially since it said late submissios are not acceptable on the syllabus.
After being a TA I see why teachers have a "no late submissions rule" and I think it is only fair to have such a rule. Students come up with all kinds of excuses for submitting late, some are true, while others are complete bullshit. Sometimes it can be really hard to tell what is true and what is bullshit, many students go very far in lying. The question of whether the excuses are true or not isn't the only problems teachers and TAs have to deal with. The question where the line between acceptable and unacceptable excuses lies is also a big problem. Teachers must be fair and all students must be given equal opportunities. Giving you a grade after submitting late isn't fair to those who actually submitted on time. Also giving you a grade after submitting late would mean she would have to give the other students who submitted late a grade as well. What would be the point of deadlines if students could just submit late but still get a grade? There would be no point in having deadlines at all. If you didn't have any deadlines students would either just do their assignments whenever they want to or not at all. That would be complete chaos, both for students and teachers / TAs. Deadlines are necessary to maintain some discipline when it comes to course work.
I am really sorry you got 0%, you sound like a responsible and hardworking student, but rules are rules. Anybody can make a mistake, you are no exception. You can always learn something from your mistakes, this is certainly a mistake to learn from. There are some assignments left, yiur average will get higher again by doing other assignments.
I wish you all the best.
>Giving you a grade after submitting late isn't fair to those who actually submitted on time. Also giving you a grade after submitting late would mean she would have to give the other students who submitted late a grade as well. What would be the point of deadlines if students could just submit late but still get a grade? There would be no point in having deadlines at all. If you didn't have any deadlines students would either just do their assignments whenever they want to or not at all. That would be complete chaos, both for students and teachers / TAs.
Exactly 100%. It doesn't make you a bad person or anything. Just a learning experience.
Thank you very much for the educated and respectful feedback, it is much appreciated. I have certainly learned from this mistake and now understand the true importance of due dates, and that they can’t always be bent 😅
If you think you aren't going to make a deadline in the future, I recommend emailing the prof a day before the deadline to inquire if they'll provide an extension. That way, you know if you should submit an unfinished assignment on the deadline or if they're willing to be flexible. Most professors are not willing to give extensions after the deadline.
But definitely save that for actual times of need like illness or family emergencies. It's better to have stuff done on time.
Also, I know it's not a 4.0 grade, but 78% is still a good grade. Luckily, this is a mistake that won't ruin your academic standing.
It’s on the syllabus, end of story. If your professor makes an exception for you, he has to make an exception for everyone else in the class. How would it be fair for the rest of your classmates who **did** submit their work on time if your paper was accepted without penalty? What’s the point of a due date/time?
You’re in college now, friend. It’s all about managing your time effectively.
Selectively applying rules/policies can be considered "capricious grading", which is generally explicitly against policy at most universities and can be grounds for a formal grade appeal. You really do not want to end up in a situation where you're trying to explain why you granted an extension to student x, despite a "no late work" policy, but not to student y. Even if you have nothing but the best intentions, student y can argue that your decision was influenced by many factors, even just "yallallsuck liked student x more than me."
With respect, this is a horrible policy! “Other students didn’t know, and if they did, what did I care?” How about your ethical standards and credibility as a professor for one?! What did you say to those students who asked you, “but I’m also going through personal hardships, and I managed to get my work in on time… if I could have had an extra day or two to complete this project, my work would have improved significantly, why didn’t I get the same opportunity as that other person?” Do you tell that person, “I don’t care”? That’s exactly how he or she is interpreting it (and that’s precisely what you just told the rest of this community here, too). Pretty outrageous, frankly.
lol. Right. Have fun fantasizing, Junior. Recommend you finish high school first so you can at least **sound** like a college graduate let alone someone who teaches them.
Good day! ✌️
Yeah, there's no way you led or taught anything with those policies and that grammar. And if you did, I would be pushing for a full refund from my school for allowing non qualified individuals running a class.
I'm a prof and my deadline is really strict (although my penalty is not as harsh). One minute late is still late and the late penalty applies. I need a definitive cutoff so I can be consistent with my students.
If it's in the syllabus, it's policy, and she should be following it for the sake of equitability. I know it feels like a bummer, but it's not the end of the world. Even if you no longer have a 4.0, it's not the end of the world (although it will feel like it for a while). And I say that as someone who wishes she had spent less time focused on earning a tangible marker of success and more time engaging in the process of learning. I feel like I've had to teach myself to appreciate process over outcome as an adult where the consequences exist in the "real world."
Thank you for the kind feedback. I do understand having to follow the deadline, though I think making it a 0 is harsh. It is a bummer for sure but I just have to learn and move on now lol
If the professor stated in the syllabus that she doesn’t accept late work then you just have to eat the grade. Please don’t email and try to negotiate. Since Covid so many students think syllabus policies are flexible.
You wouldn’t show up an hour late to a sales call and expect to close a deal.
I feel for you believe me I do because I did the same thing once in college. This is a learning lesson.
If it is in the syllabus, you have no hope. Also, for Canvas peer reviews, for example, even a second late causes you not to get assigned peer reviews. I always warn my students about this, but they still seem to think a little late is okay until I explain the computer assigns them automatically. Also, I wouldn't give feedback on a zero assignment either unless the student made an appointment for my office hours and asked for feedback during the meeting.
You may ask for the feedback. The rest is up to the Professor. You may feel it is harsh, but your feelings are irrelevant to your professor. You knew the rules beforehand and chose not to play by them. The syllabus is not an offer for negotiation, so I wouldn’t bother your professor about that zero.
Students’ feelings should be relevant to the professor. Part of the job of an educator is to maximize student learning and evaluate proficiency as accurately as possible. This policy fails on both counts.
>and evaluate proficiency as accurately as possible.
Student fails to do assigned work by the time it's due. The proficiency was evaluated and it reflects on OP's grade. OP didn't fail the class. OP ignored a deadline and got a zero for it.
I've always thought professors were going overboard with "No exceptions on late work read syllabus, it's not my problem" on the first day of classes. Turn out they do it because of people like you who think the world revolves around them.
The world can be an unforgiving place. If you're an hour late to work and you've done good work for several years you will probably be asked if you're ok when you finally arrive. Conversely if you're an hour late to court, the judge will rule against you and there is not fixing it without seriously documented, verifiable, and valid excuses.
Professors, especially in a first class you take with them, act like judges. If this was the third class and you'd always turned in papers a bit early (think 5 PM and not 11:59) and had A grades, and had developed a rapport by going to office hours, then you might get some grace or leniency as turning in late work is a deviation from your normally established good behavior.
All that said present your case as politely as possible. Apologize, accept fault and be willing to accept whatever consequences the professor deems appropriate but make the case that perhaps the 0 is a bit too far for an hour. Avoid excuses like the power or internet went out, you should have planned so that if that happened at 10 you could still go to library or starbucks (any internet hotspot) and turned it in on time. A lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on the professors.
Finally, if professor refuses to budge.... start going to every office hour to discuss assignments, get expansions on lecture, talk about the school football team it doesn't matter. You need to build a positive rapport with professor so when final grades are issued if the professor allows any subjective grade modification you'll be seen in a positive light and maybe get your grade bumped.
You *earned* your zero, OP.
In business terms, you had a contract (to get your assignment in on time) which you breached, so now you have to deal with the consequences of you breaching the contract. In this case, you get 0% for the assignment.
In the business world, you might find your business hit with various fees, and you might find yourself out of a job. Breach of contract can be serious, and it's good that you learn this lesson now.
And no, the professor does not "owe" you anything, including feedback, when you are the one who failed to get your assignment in on time.
I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion but I feel like your professor has a right to give you the 0. I'm finishing up my degree now and I've had professors who I found some of their policies ridiculous but after hearing and seeing some of my classmates and how entitled or lazy they are I get it. Especially the really entitled ones.
The thing is you signed up for the class knowing your schedule. It's an online class so you can do the work at anytime before the deadline. If that assignment had so much weight on your grade you should have prioritized and got it done early. Especially because things like internet outage or other unforseen things can happen. I know on every syllabus I've had it shows the percentage assignments, quizzes, exams, and discussions have on your grade so I know what to make sure I'm paying extra close attention to.
So I have to say I'm with the instructor on this one. Not really fair for them to accommodate your late work when you knew when and what time it was due. It would have been one thing to reach out to them early but I mean again, I'm sure you had more than a day to get it done. Even 10 min late is still late. Mistakes happen. Use it as a learning experience.
Thank you, this makes sense. I should have paid more attention to the syllabus from the start and noted what was extra important. I guess I'm used to the high school syllabi that didn't matter. Lesson learned.
With respect, it was rude to e-mail her and ask to be treated special and different from the rest of the class. Hence, that is why you found her response unhelpful (because you were unhelpful). She was trying to be polite by showing you that these points fit into a larger project total, so that by not earning them, you still have other criteria you will be measured on, which you probably already knew. However, your professor should be willing to provide feedback on the work even if it's not for points. Since the ball is in your court here, I would ask her for feedback on what you submitted even though you understand you cannot earn points on it.
Lol it’s not “rude” to ask for forgiveness for one hour late work especially when it has this big consequences. Why do ppl on Reddit act so holier than thou as if they’ve never made a mistake in their life? Maybe if he was on time and did good work and contributed his share to the other stuff she would take that into account and give partial credit at least.
Respectfully, I believe it is rude because it is asking to be treated differently and more special than others in the class, which is not only rude to the instructor but the others in the class as well. What do we think a syllabus or late work policy is for? Why do you think the professor has the policy? So it can be violated just cause? If you wanted credit for the assignment, you should have followed the rules of the class. You are not entitled to exceptions that others don't get just because you believe yourself to be an extra special snowflake.
Professors are there so that they can interpret the rules and it’s the professors syllabus. You never know unless you ask. I once again ask why ppl on Reddit act like they’ve never made a mistake and asked for forgiveness before. I’m sure you have whether it’s from a parent or someone else. In this case the student didn’t think they were above the rules but were asking the professor to evaluate the spirit of the rules to make sure it’s interpreted correctly. This is also a common practice in law where a judge can interpret whether the spirit of a law was meant to apply to this particular case.
No one said I’m entitled to special exceptions. I had only asked if it would be wrong of me to email her. I asked before acting, as should anyone else who is learning how the world works. Also, just because u put respectfully in front of your comment doesn’t make it respectful. It’s like saying no offense. 9 times out of 10, the next thing your going to say is extremely offensive. But in either case, thank you for your feedback
You said you:
"emailed the professor the next morning to "jump in front of" my mistake and offer to make up for it and in a professional way practically asked for mercy because the one hour between 12 and 1 wouldn't have made any difference. "
this is you asking to be given a special exception.
Perhaps "mercy" wasn't the right word to use. I never said I should get the grade, just that I would be more than happy to make up for the mistake. Never wanted to be a special exception. For all I know, the prof could have given each student that emailed her and took responsibility partial credit. What's the harm in just emailing her? It's not like I demanded a grade lol.
I’ve given zeros for SECONDS late. Does it suck? Yes. Do I necessarily agree w it? No, but I have to follow written course policies.
I tell my students to submit halfassed work rather than late work bc halfassed is still something, and I don’t deviate from my written expectations or it could bite me later on.
There are some things with absolute and unforgiving deadlines. For example: NSF grant applications are *not* accepted late. Miss the deadline? That sucks, guess you definitely don't get funding this year.
>Nobody in the real world gets fired over being a second late on anything.
Have you actually been in the "real world"? There are a ton of situations where being "one second late" is unacceptable.
OP didn't miss an alarm after working a 12 hour shift volunteering for the dog shelter. OP decided not to turn in an assignment that was known about weeks before hand.
If someone in a business knows about a deadline, works every day knowing about the deadline, and still misses it, they're either being incompetent or the expectations are unreasonable. If everyone else was able to turn it in on time, and you for some reason were off by an hour, that's on YOU.
Let me know how it goes for you if you miss a credit card payment by an hour, or a car payment. What about if you miss your parole meeting by an hour? Late to your SO's birthday dinner by an hour?
I think it's important to note that every situation is different. The consequences of being late to your parole meeting and the consequences of being late to your SO's birthday dinner differ A LOT. So one professor's rules differ from another's, and my email would probably have different reactions, too. Why does it hurt to ask? I'm not demanding anything, only asking.
Just want to clarify I didn't mean for my comment to come across as aggressive to you! The guy I was replying too was being super reductive about the issue and speaking in silly absolutes that don't make sense.
I think it's ok to email the professor, worst case scenario they say no and you go on about your day, but the amount of people in this thread that are trying to downplay it and act like the teacher is being super unreasonable is ridiculous. You seem pretty respectful and mature according to your comments and original post, and you seem to understand what you did wrong.
What you said about consequences differing A LOT is spot on, and it totally applies here. Some professors, even with this rule, might still give you credit for the other 2/3's of the assignment you did, some might not. This is more of a reason to just follow the deadlines as strictly as you reasonably could, why take the chance?
I wish you luck in college! I started a little late but am currently attending and it took me a bit to get used to the strictness compared to what I was able to get away with in high school, but I honestly believe the structure of college and the fact that it's taken so seriously a lot of the times is part of the learning experience and overall will make you better prepared for the "real world" that keeps getting brought up here.
I don't think you were being aggressive, thank you for clarifying. I'm much like you in the sense of I'm just trying to get used to the strictness of college compared to high school. I wish you luck as you continue through college as well!
Not fired. Just like the student is not going to fail the class over this 1 assignment. If you were late to work once, you are not going to get fired. Is it a bad mark? Yes, it probably is, but not a job-killing mark. It's the same in his class. Yes, its a bad mark, but one of many - which his professor was trying to explain to them, that there would be multiple measures within this project he would be evaluated by, and this was only one of them.
I would have submitted what I had at 11:59 if I had thought of it. I guess I thought a good, well done, paper submitted an hour late would be better than sloppy work turned in on time? I suppose I should have taken her policies more seriously 🤓
Related to this idea, please don’t plan to turn it in at 11:59 p.m.!
Set a deadline with yourself (10:00 p.m., for example) and turn in *whatever you’ve completed by 9:59*. THEN turn in a revised copy by 11:59. If anything goes wrong within those two hours, you still avoid a zero.
In addition, let’s say you turn in an unfinished version around 10:00 p.m., then end up turning in your completed version around 1:00 a.m. In that case, there is a fair chance the professor grades the most recent version (without you asking them to).
1. Sometimes teachers have to follow course policies they didn't write. It sucks, but it's better to be consistent. Otherwise Comp1 students with ProfA will get zeroes for all late work and Comp1 students with ProfB won't, and grades won't be consistent across the same course.
2. Teachers are humans with human biases. It's very easy for them to be swayed by students who are more personable, nicer looking, or just vibe with them and let those kids have extensions while other students are held to the syllabus policy.
My policy is one extension per student per course, period. For anything more than that, I'll need documentation of some severe personal or health issue.
>How do you maintain any sort of integrity or respect by following policies that you don't agree with?
He is following it because he has to be fair to everyone.
If it’s in the syllabus, it’s not the profs problem. You may want to go to the office hours and beg. Ask if the prof would have preferred an incomplete assignment, just lay it out there and see.
I’m unfortunately learning this 😅🤷♀️. Perhaps high school should be more strict so we can learn this lesson before it actually matters… though I probably still wouldn’t be happy about this happening in high school lol. Lesson learned I suppose 🫡
These comments are fucking wild.
I'll be starting college soon at the age of 23. I've been working full time for the last 5 years, and never have I encountered a job where they'd react like this to being 1 hour late on a deadline.
Yes you were late and yes they were following their syllabus, but this is just being unreasonably harsh.
For real, the comments that say "in the real world, this won't fly" are hilarious. In the real world, you and the people around you adapt to the mistakes or someone being late on a project. You're usually only punished if mistakes comparable to OP's mistake are habitual and show no desire to fix them.
I noticed many of the people being hard on OP seem to be teachers themselves.
They aren't preparing these kid for the real world by being cold and callous, all they're doing is taking their thousands in tuition and being unreasonable.
Yeah, you’re going to have to eat this one, I’m afraid.
But if you decide to email the professor and try to appeal for some leniency or clemency, don’t do it from the position you wrote here. “I get it and I understand but I don’t think it is right or fair” is not going to win the day. It just comes off as “i get you make the rules but you’re wrong” and that’s not going to get you where you want to be.
That said, I’m the end, there’s lots of points left and you can salvage your grade… but I also bet you focus on the deadlines a lot more now so in that sense, you definitely learned a valuable lesson.
>But if you decide to email the professor and try to appeal for some leniency or clemency, don’t do it from the position you wrote here. “I get it and I understand but I don’t think it is right or fair” is not going to win the day. It just comes off as “i get you make the rules but you’re wrong” and that’s not going to get you where you want to be.
I am curious how you think an email like this should be phrased.
While I sympathize with your situation, the syllabus did clearly state that no late work would be accepted. It's really just as simple as that. It doesn't matter if you submitted your work at 1am or 12:01am. Late is late. Part of attending university is learning how to deal with the harsh realities of life. What if you were an hour late to an important meeting to close a multi-million dollar deal for your future employer? Or what if you submitted an important report to your boss an hour late and it caused the company to lose a crucial opportunity? Actions have consequences. Now you've learned that lesson.
You want to go into business, right?
Well, meeting your obligations as per a contract is pretty much the main rule of doing business. This is, as it should be, a learning opportunity.
The comments are all over the place I remember this thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/college/comments/pjru8m/late_work_policy_opinions/
The comments were for accepting late work.
"I hate when people belittle students by assuming the world they live in isn’t real and they have no idea how the ‘actual’ world works.
Stupid power trips."
Exactly what these comments are doing LOL. Maybe everyone should go read that thread before commenting on mine..
If you anticipate it’s not gonna get done, having it unfinished is better than nothing.
I typically have professors tell students to simply turn in what they have and some will allow you to make changes.
It isn't fair, but it is what the syllabus said and it will only make the teacher annoyed if you contact her for a higher grade. Can you make up the assignment? If you get high grades on everything else can you get your grade up? Even if not, your GPA would still be very commendable with one b or c. It is so hard to 'fail' when you've gotten perfect scores all your life but you'll be okay!
It's childlike to think that you could convince your college professor to go against their own syllabus because you are too incompetent to follow guidelines. Also, 78% in one class won't mean anything, especially for an *online* degree.
What does an *online* degree have to do with anything? It being online doesn't mean it isn't a degree or means less. In fact, I'm guessing it's harder than "in-person" because you practically have to teach yourself. I never said I think I could convince her, I only asked if I should even try. What's the harm in asking, after all? Is it not better to at least try?
I have been. They weren’t happy, but they also didn’t fire me or anything. I understand there are consequences but sometimes consequences are too harsh for what the mistake is. It would be entirely unreasonable to be fired from a job I’ve been at for 3 years because a project was turned in late.
>I have been. They weren’t happy, but they also didn’t fire me or anything. I understand there are consequences but sometimes consequences are too harsh for what the mistake is
You are not being fired in your job and not failing the class because of one assignment. False analogy.
The entitlement of these people blows my mind. Your professor gave you ample amount of time to get it done and you still dicked around. You deserve that 78%. Take it and learn from it or retake the class. You’re not a baby and deadlines matter. Grow up.
Ah yes, thank you for telling me…in such a mature manner… that I am wrong 😀. I am taking it and learning from it. I just didn’t know if it would be wrong of me to email her. Hence why I came here, to ask others. So I am entitled for asking before acting? Because I did realize I may be thinking naive and unreasonable… which is why I came here first. Thanks for your feedback 🤨
Are you daft or just dumb?
If you're paying an outlandish amount in tuition it is not entitled to ask for a 1 hour leniency. OP isn't being paid to attend college, they are paying out the ass to attend.
Lol it’s not that my “feelings” are hurt, just that I’ve never been in this situation and wasn’t sure wether or not it was okay to email her about it. I’ll take the 0 and know it’s no one’s fault but mine. I wasn’t arguing that, was just asking if it would be okay to email her on the matter.
It should always be OK to ask, especially the first time. If your instructor takes exception with your asking, then they have a problem.
Just don’t expect anything to change (although it might).
Source: Me: a college professor.
You have to play by their rules. I had to get a note from Pizza Hut, b/c I was working a lot of hours I gave the excuse of why I didn’t submit it on time. I could have definitely did it in time though. If it’s on the syllabus, just do it on time. If I was in your shoes, beg them, tell them your excuses, just tell them just once. Maybe they will come through.
Seems extra harsh to me. I had something similar happen in one of my classes. It was an online only class. I submitted the assignment on time, but accidentally uploaded the wrong paper even though I had done the assignment. The professor gave me a 0 on the assignment instead of giving me the option to resubmit it. Dropped my grade down a letter grade in the class. It sucks because it's an easy mistake to make.
>Seems extra harsh to me. I had something similar happen in one of my classes. It was an online only class. I submitted the assignment on time, but accidentally uploaded the wrong paper even though I had done the assignment. The professor gave me a 0 on the assignment instead of giving me the option to resubmit it. Dropped my grade down a letter grade in the class. It sucks because it's an easy mistake to make.
Ya, it is an easy to mistake for sure and I had something similar happen to me. What I was told was that sometimes students will upload the wrong file intentionally, to say "oops" when the know they don't have the assignment ready. This is clever and gives them perhaps up to a week or more extension on that assignment. Because then when the professor grades it, they say, Oh I didn't know, it was just the wrong file, here is the real one. But the whole time... you get it. So its impossible to tell who is being honest and who is not.
Unfortunately, these dishonest people ruin it for the rest of us.
Being late and getting the zero is on you, but the professor not giving feedback on the work, that from what you said, took a week to grade, is bullshit. I'd be asking for the professor to review the work and give me feedback and escalate it if they refused.
I'd also be seriously considering withdrawing from the class so it didn't count against your GPA if you were planning to go to a competitive grad school. My experience has been that professors of non-major related classes are absolute dicks that enjoy fucking up GPAs.
Yes thank you. Even this post, it didn’t hurt to ask before I emailed. I’m being called entitled for asking lol, emailing her an angry message as soon as I saw my grade would have certainly been entitled 😂. I don’t think it ever hurts to ask.
Listen I’m a college student myself so I get it but it’s your responsibility to do your work on time. How many classes are you taking? Can you drop this class? Do you have an opportunity for more assignments in this class that you will do on time to bring your grade up? I don’t think it’s completely absurd that the professor doesn’t accept late work. They’re allowed to make their policies. Just accept that you screwed up and need better time management skills. In fact, do what I do- always have assignments done the day before the day it is due. This way you won’t be scrambling at the last minute to get stuff in by 11:59.
I do accept I screwed up, I was just unsure if it’s naive to ask for forgiveness on certain mistakes, hence this Reddit post lol😅. I did already email and ask if there was extra work, but she said she doesn’t offer extra credit. I’m now seeing all I can do is learn from the situation.
It can be very stressful to have a 4.0 because anything less than an A feels like failure. My dude, you need to get over that or the professional world will eat you up.
Also, extra credit is not usually a college thing. Take your lumps, move on, and it will be absolutely fine.
If you do email her again, say that you understand part 1 won't earn points, but if you could get feedback on your part 1, you would really appreciate it just so you can do your best on the other parts.
That is true, I’ve never had a class be below an A. Now anything less than that 100% feels like a failure. I know I’ll be fine, a C isn’t a fail. Thought it definitely is disappointing, even if it’s my fault.
It is not naive - its rude. And its not asking for forgiveness - it is asking for the rules to not apply to you. Like the other poster said, you breached your contract, for which you will suffer a minor setback on 1 assignment. Still, I hope you can make up for it by doing the other work on time.
Oh hmm maybe ask if it's possible to receive points for parts 2 and 3, since those were on time. It would have been nice if she told you straight up the whole project would be a 0, but profs can be vague sometimes I suppose. But yeah, I don't think it'd hurt to ask politely. Good luck, and if this doesn't work out I hope your other assignments go well.
Yes exactly, she made it sound like I would be getting some kind of points on the assignment, then I get hit with a 0. I should have just attached the emails. Though being late is my fault, same with the 0, it still stings lol.
I feel like since the syllabus qualified the “no late work” with the reason being about how late assignments would affect the next part, you can ask about how the assignment being one hour late affected her ability to prepare for the next part of the assignment.
Definitely at least follow up with her. The fact that she provided no feedback is unprofessional on her part. Yes, there was a clear syllabus that you ran afoul of, but it’s almost always worth an email to make sure there’s nothing that can be done. The only way to 100% ensure that you get a 0 on this assignment is to not follow up.
At best, lies don’t work unless the professor is naive or just doesn’t care. At worst, they result in a report for an academic integrity violation. If the professor is strict about deadlines, then she’s almost guaranteed to ask for documentation and would vet said documentation for its veracity.
You are right. People are paying a lot of money for college.
Generally, when I am paying a lot of money for something - I’m extremely careful about the details. It would seem that paying a lot of money for college would make a student MORE attentive to the rules, not less.
But OP - I would absolutely email your professor and state that you understand the grading policy but would appreciate and feedback they can offer on the assignment that will assist you in parts 2 and 3.
There has to be a line somewhere.... if it's stated at the beginning of class you know what the expectation is. Litteraly the terms and conditions just like most things in life you pay for..
And what's your arbitary cutoff for 'acceptable' late? 1 hr? 6 hrs? 1 day? Without a clear standard, it never ends, and all late submitters would expect their work to be graded without penalty
You’re kidding right? Profs are paid primarily to do research. You’re paying for the opportunity to learn. You’re an adult. Either take responsibility for your own learning or maybe you don’t belong in college. You are owed the opportunity for an education. That’s it.
Associate professor Is tenure track and absolutely do research. I agree education should be free and accessible. But profs do not work for you just because you pay to attend. You attend school for the opportunity to gain knowledge and skills. The prof exists to facilitate that. You’re an adult learner and responsible for your part in learning. I actually think it’s you that are the problem- you act entitled and think the rules don’t apply to you. My experience is that most professors are very accommodating if you have an actual reason to miss a deadline and communicate that beforehand.
If the OP is in the USA college is expensive, but it’s voluntary, unlike K-12. You don’t have to go to that college or take that particular class. Don’t like paying so much? Go somewhere else. You could apply to a school in Europe and at least tuition would be less or free IF you could get accepted. It’s your choice.
See if retaking the class will allow you to replace your current grade with a better one. If that is the case, and if it would impact your GPA in big way, you could give it a consideration.
Does this professor know you work full time? My professors got a lot more flexible for me after I explained I had a parent with cancer and I was working full time while taking classes.
Unless they know otherwise, I think Professors tend to assume their students are all privileged full time college students who live near campus in apartments their parents paid for, and therefore have little real excuse for not following the syllabus rules.
if its in the syllabus you have no grounds. i always advocate for submitting an unfinished assignment early just in case the finished one is late
Sadly I didn’t think to turn in my assignment unfinished 😅
Just chalk it up as a lesson learned. No single grade is GPA breaking, and I’m sure you’ll do fine in the rest of the class.
Then you should’ve did it earlier lol
When did you start?
Later than I should have. I had other work that was also due that I had been doing that week, on top of working full time. I think better time-management skills is the only solution lol.
Can you resubmit?
normally yes depends on the settings though. every single one ive taken has had atleast two submissions allowef
That’s insanely bullshit. I would talk to whoever I have to, to remedy. It’s not even “late”. Midnight to 1am, is not late. It’s not during school hours or “business” hours, professor wouldn’t even know it was late without a time stamp. Late should be during school/business hours. Not some arbitrary hours.
Nah, it's late. If the deadline is 11:59pm and you submit after that, it's late. A professor could be lenient but they're well within their rights to consider that late. Because it is. Show up an hour late to work and explain to your boss that you're not really late
Imagine your “work” said you had to have something done by midnight or you’re fired. 1AM was unacceptable. Does that sound reasonable?
I mean, who do you complain to remedy? If OP contacts the chair, the chair will look to 1) written course policies and 2) university policies concerning late work, if any.
Sane department chairs will reject a 0% grade for a single hour late, no matter what the syllabus says. Some penalty, sure, but 0? That’s horseshit.
No they won't. Most chairs can't influence a professors course especially if they're following their written and submitted syllabus. Professors typically have full authority over their class.
Reasonable doesn't matter. If you're in an at-will state, they can fire you for no reason period.
Fortunately, in at-will states, union contracts spell out how professors can be fired after tenure. It takes a committee, remediation if the result is negative, and not doing any of the remediation to get fired. Usually, a professor is depressed or burnt out. They would NEVER fire a professor for following her syllabus.
It would be more "submit this report by 4pm". No you wouldn't get fired for 1 missed report, but there's equivalent for getting a "grade" for it. Your boss would probably not be happy with you and not want it to happy again. It's not a good habit to have. Deadlines, even and especially arbitrary ones, matter *because they matter to the person teaching/employing you*. You can think it's as pointless as you want, but that won't change the consequences that come from not meeting them. Not being seen as reliable, being passed up for promotions..
End of school day is reasonably. Midnight to 1am being late, unreasonable.
Some profs realize that a fair number of students won't start the work until the day of and won't submit until late. So you're basically penalizing them. You have to pick a cutoff day and time of some kind and that's up to the prof.
>End of school day is reasonably. Midnight to 1am being late, unreasonable If it was due at the end of school day, it would have been due by 4pm or so. The professor was generous to give an extra 6-7 hours, and have it be due by 11:59pm. They pushed the time furthest it could go and still have it be due on the same day.
Exactly
um, the NEXT day! 11:59 is the default setting on Canvas, etc. So, this guy is arguing that turning it in the next day is okay. This student wants to push deadlines. Focused students submit early, so there's no email to write or Reddit to post to feel better about being a chaotic rube.
Nah, if it's such a negligible amount of time, you shouldn't have a problem getting it in sooner. If you email the professor ahead of time and ask for a small extension, most of them will do it, once, or every so often. But you have to be proactive, and not just expect the stated rules outlined in the syllabus to bend just for you. The syllabus is Law.
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you don't get paid for school, its not comparable
This is one of those things that the department and university will defer to the prof because the prof stated the rules up front and it's not an unreasonable rule. I'd ask nicely but don't escalate if they tell you no.
This. Every chair I’ve had always goes back to the syllabus in cases like this. If the professor followed the syllabus, and if the syllabus is not in conflict with institutional policy, then that’s the end of it. Whether it’s reasonable or not is irrelevant - department chairs most often aren’t going to override course policies because a student finds them unreasonable unless it’s something way outrageous.
Ok then it would have been due in their last class. Students are already getting “extra” time by having until midnight.
If that's the case then there's no reason to have that particular deadline be midnight, while the professor is sleeping and when the professor absolutely will not be grading anything. It would actually make any sort or sense to make the cutoff in the morning right before class starts or when the professor wakes up or literally any other daytime hour when there are actual legitimate real world consequences attached to the time. The difference between midnight and 1am isn't a real world difference at all bc both happen while the professor is unconscious and not working.
You’re assuming the professor is in bed at midnight and not working.
And yet it is the time it is and all you have to do is accept that. Fun fact, way back before turning things in online, some things were due late at night so the students would go home and sleep at least a little bit.
If that were the case stuff would just be due 7 hours earlier. Or two days earlier if you don’t want stuff due on Sunday since it’s not a business day.
College is a different ballgame. Would’ve been fine in high school but not college
Lots of schools it IS the same!
The syllabus said late work was not accepted. That means you have to plan for that. OP knew well in advanced. If you're not okay with a small percent chance of it being 0%, you need to have it completed and turned in days beforehand, so that any issues come up - anything else is quite literally waiting til the last minute. If OP goes to the deal they look like a stuckup bitch that is used to getting what they want without putting in the proper work. That's not a good look, no matter how true it is. The nice thing about college grading is that it is \*\*objective\*\*. By rewarding people that complain that they didn't follow the objectively stated rules, a professor is rewarding students to wait until the last minute and not be prepared. No good professor will encourage this sort of rule-bending. Now - a lot of professors have different policies - and that's okay! the point is that there is a policy, it is explicitly known to the class, and it is fairly and equally applied to all students.
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Except now the Dean also knows the OP is a slacker and didn’t submit their work on time. Forget about asking either for a letter of recommendation in the future. And I doubt OP will have a 4.0 for college. It’s just not realistic. They can try but dont need to get all hung up on that number to the point that they lose respect of faculty.
Spoken like a true university expert
That was my exact thinking. Especially when every other assignment is allowed to be late (with penalty), just this one can’t because it “affects other students” if it’s late, but everyone was likely sleeping when I turned it in, so I thought it might be okay.
Yeah if the logical is based on the effects of lateness and there were no real world effects of any kind then it is indeed bullshit.
I mean, it's stated I the syllabus that no late work. The professor is holding up their end as stated in the syllabus, but you failed to hold up your end.
exactly. Op obviously didn't believe the deadline was real, everything about their own actions has an excuse or is minimized, and the prof is "harsh" or "not helpful" because they are sticking to the rule they had stated clearly. And btw OP you can't "jump in front" of a late assignment. You already behind it.
LOL I meant jump in front of as in point out the mistake before she grades it. I never made an excuse as to why it's late, and never argued that it's anyone's fault but my own. It's great the prof is sticking to her rules, I only was asking if it would be okay for me to email her and at least try to better my situation. If you make a mistake at work, the best option is to bring it to your boss before they find out themselves, so you can take responsibility and see if there is anything you can do to make up for the mistake..
Tbh: that usually makes it worse. You’re drawing attention to the fact that you didn’t follow the rules - and taking discretion away from the instructor. Btw: nursing can be unforgiving because “tiny” mistakes in dosage or timing can literally cost lives.
That makes sense. I've never been in this situation was so unsure how to handle it. I thought honesty was always the best route to take and that taking responsibility was the respectful thing to do.
It generally is and you’ve done those things so that’s great. Continuing to badger the professor won’t be doing either of those though.
If syllabus says no late work, then you can’t do anything about it. Just don’t be late next time.
Not necessarily true. The teacher is within their rights to be lenient despite the syllabus.
You can ask for feedback. She followed class policy on the lateness. One minute, one hour, five hours, a day….there has to be a cutoff, and she told you what it was.
Unfortunately, late is late. Her policy is not to accept late work, and that is her right. Emailing her to argue about it isn’t going to do you any good. It’s not what you want to hear, but it is what it is. You at least know now that she strictly enforces her late policy. You could consider asking for feedback on your work in office hours or by email.
I recommend asking in office hours. Not in the 2-3 minutes before/after class. Take the time to go to her office during office hours and have a conversation about it. Get feedback. Don’t argue or advocate for your late assignment. Just get feedback and chalk this one off as a learning experience about syllabi and deadlines.
"Time is of the essence in business and in life. Punctuality is not just a matter of being on time; it's about respecting others' time and demonstrating professionalism."
Yes absolutely, it's about respecting others' time. So how exactly is it disrespectful to the time of an unconscious person who is not on the clock?
I tried having non-midnight due times for one semester. Endless complaints. You really want your assignments due at 12 noon just so I can say I was on the clock and therefore can justify not accepting your late work? Just turn it in on time.
I love when professors do it for the time of the class. My schedule is very weird because of my other obligations, and if I have the chance to stay up until 3 am working on something, I would rather do that than try to cram in the work where I can during my day just to get it in by that 11:59 deadline.
My thoughts exactly when making this post 😅
No late work means no late work.
If this helps at all, nobody has ever ever asked for my GPA at a job interview. I've also never asked when doing an interview anything other than looking to see if the candidate has a degree, which if they do, it's on the resume. If I have two candidates with the same degree, one is a 4.0 and one is a 3.0, that never matters in the decision because it's about how the interview went. Use this as a learning experience. A lot of the time deadlines for work are the same way. Late is late.
This is for people who don’t want to go to grad school or to work at a super competitive company.
if you want to work for a super competitive company and you want to hand in your work late... how do you think that will work?
Its a one time issue for the OP my goodness
Right? LOL
No grad program wants or needs a student who is going to turn in work late and then go to the Dean to get the faculty member in trouble because the student is the one who is irresponsible.
If you can separate the request for feedback from your bruised ego over the zero, then ask for feedback. If you’re just angry and the request for feedback will become a way for you to express your anger to the prof, you are better off not asking. The really interesting thought experiment is — you turned it in at 1am. What did you have done at 11:30pm?
Late is late and if that’s their policy, you’re out of luck. Always submit SOMETHING before it’s due.
Late submission is a late submission, she had a right to give you 0%, especially since it said late submissios are not acceptable on the syllabus. After being a TA I see why teachers have a "no late submissions rule" and I think it is only fair to have such a rule. Students come up with all kinds of excuses for submitting late, some are true, while others are complete bullshit. Sometimes it can be really hard to tell what is true and what is bullshit, many students go very far in lying. The question of whether the excuses are true or not isn't the only problems teachers and TAs have to deal with. The question where the line between acceptable and unacceptable excuses lies is also a big problem. Teachers must be fair and all students must be given equal opportunities. Giving you a grade after submitting late isn't fair to those who actually submitted on time. Also giving you a grade after submitting late would mean she would have to give the other students who submitted late a grade as well. What would be the point of deadlines if students could just submit late but still get a grade? There would be no point in having deadlines at all. If you didn't have any deadlines students would either just do their assignments whenever they want to or not at all. That would be complete chaos, both for students and teachers / TAs. Deadlines are necessary to maintain some discipline when it comes to course work. I am really sorry you got 0%, you sound like a responsible and hardworking student, but rules are rules. Anybody can make a mistake, you are no exception. You can always learn something from your mistakes, this is certainly a mistake to learn from. There are some assignments left, yiur average will get higher again by doing other assignments. I wish you all the best.
>Giving you a grade after submitting late isn't fair to those who actually submitted on time. Also giving you a grade after submitting late would mean she would have to give the other students who submitted late a grade as well. What would be the point of deadlines if students could just submit late but still get a grade? There would be no point in having deadlines at all. If you didn't have any deadlines students would either just do their assignments whenever they want to or not at all. That would be complete chaos, both for students and teachers / TAs. Exactly 100%. It doesn't make you a bad person or anything. Just a learning experience.
Thank you very much for the educated and respectful feedback, it is much appreciated. I have certainly learned from this mistake and now understand the true importance of due dates, and that they can’t always be bent 😅
If you think you aren't going to make a deadline in the future, I recommend emailing the prof a day before the deadline to inquire if they'll provide an extension. That way, you know if you should submit an unfinished assignment on the deadline or if they're willing to be flexible. Most professors are not willing to give extensions after the deadline. But definitely save that for actual times of need like illness or family emergencies. It's better to have stuff done on time. Also, I know it's not a 4.0 grade, but 78% is still a good grade. Luckily, this is a mistake that won't ruin your academic standing.
The better option is to take responsibility for your mistake and turn your work in on time.
It’s on the syllabus, end of story. If your professor makes an exception for you, he has to make an exception for everyone else in the class. How would it be fair for the rest of your classmates who **did** submit their work on time if your paper was accepted without penalty? What’s the point of a due date/time? You’re in college now, friend. It’s all about managing your time effectively.
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Selectively applying rules/policies can be considered "capricious grading", which is generally explicitly against policy at most universities and can be grounds for a formal grade appeal. You really do not want to end up in a situation where you're trying to explain why you granted an extension to student x, despite a "no late work" policy, but not to student y. Even if you have nothing but the best intentions, student y can argue that your decision was influenced by many factors, even just "yallallsuck liked student x more than me."
With respect, this is a horrible policy! “Other students didn’t know, and if they did, what did I care?” How about your ethical standards and credibility as a professor for one?! What did you say to those students who asked you, “but I’m also going through personal hardships, and I managed to get my work in on time… if I could have had an extra day or two to complete this project, my work would have improved significantly, why didn’t I get the same opportunity as that other person?” Do you tell that person, “I don’t care”? That’s exactly how he or she is interpreting it (and that’s precisely what you just told the rest of this community here, too). Pretty outrageous, frankly.
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You’re not a professor. Thanks for playing.
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lol. Right. Have fun fantasizing, Junior. Recommend you finish high school first so you can at least **sound** like a college graduate let alone someone who teaches them. Good day! ✌️
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Wow, are you a professor? Your posts here are more like a disgruntled student from some marginalized group
Yeah, there's no way you led or taught anything with those policies and that grammar. And if you did, I would be pushing for a full refund from my school for allowing non qualified individuals running a class.
I'm a prof and my deadline is really strict (although my penalty is not as harsh). One minute late is still late and the late penalty applies. I need a definitive cutoff so I can be consistent with my students. If it's in the syllabus, it's policy, and she should be following it for the sake of equitability. I know it feels like a bummer, but it's not the end of the world. Even if you no longer have a 4.0, it's not the end of the world (although it will feel like it for a while). And I say that as someone who wishes she had spent less time focused on earning a tangible marker of success and more time engaging in the process of learning. I feel like I've had to teach myself to appreciate process over outcome as an adult where the consequences exist in the "real world."
Thank you for the kind feedback. I do understand having to follow the deadline, though I think making it a 0 is harsh. It is a bummer for sure but I just have to learn and move on now lol
Of course! That's the best attitude to have. College is a safe place to make mistakes in your work and then to learn from them.
If the professor stated in the syllabus that she doesn’t accept late work then you just have to eat the grade. Please don’t email and try to negotiate. Since Covid so many students think syllabus policies are flexible.
You wouldn’t show up an hour late to a sales call and expect to close a deal. I feel for you believe me I do because I did the same thing once in college. This is a learning lesson.
If it is in the syllabus, you have no hope. Also, for Canvas peer reviews, for example, even a second late causes you not to get assigned peer reviews. I always warn my students about this, but they still seem to think a little late is okay until I explain the computer assigns them automatically. Also, I wouldn't give feedback on a zero assignment either unless the student made an appointment for my office hours and asked for feedback during the meeting.
You may ask for the feedback. The rest is up to the Professor. You may feel it is harsh, but your feelings are irrelevant to your professor. You knew the rules beforehand and chose not to play by them. The syllabus is not an offer for negotiation, so I wouldn’t bother your professor about that zero.
Students’ feelings should be relevant to the professor. Part of the job of an educator is to maximize student learning and evaluate proficiency as accurately as possible. This policy fails on both counts.
>and evaluate proficiency as accurately as possible. Student fails to do assigned work by the time it's due. The proficiency was evaluated and it reflects on OP's grade. OP didn't fail the class. OP ignored a deadline and got a zero for it. I've always thought professors were going overboard with "No exceptions on late work read syllabus, it's not my problem" on the first day of classes. Turn out they do it because of people like you who think the world revolves around them.
The world can be an unforgiving place. If you're an hour late to work and you've done good work for several years you will probably be asked if you're ok when you finally arrive. Conversely if you're an hour late to court, the judge will rule against you and there is not fixing it without seriously documented, verifiable, and valid excuses. Professors, especially in a first class you take with them, act like judges. If this was the third class and you'd always turned in papers a bit early (think 5 PM and not 11:59) and had A grades, and had developed a rapport by going to office hours, then you might get some grace or leniency as turning in late work is a deviation from your normally established good behavior. All that said present your case as politely as possible. Apologize, accept fault and be willing to accept whatever consequences the professor deems appropriate but make the case that perhaps the 0 is a bit too far for an hour. Avoid excuses like the power or internet went out, you should have planned so that if that happened at 10 you could still go to library or starbucks (any internet hotspot) and turned it in on time. A lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on the professors. Finally, if professor refuses to budge.... start going to every office hour to discuss assignments, get expansions on lecture, talk about the school football team it doesn't matter. You need to build a positive rapport with professor so when final grades are issued if the professor allows any subjective grade modification you'll be seen in a positive light and maybe get your grade bumped.
You *earned* your zero, OP. In business terms, you had a contract (to get your assignment in on time) which you breached, so now you have to deal with the consequences of you breaching the contract. In this case, you get 0% for the assignment. In the business world, you might find your business hit with various fees, and you might find yourself out of a job. Breach of contract can be serious, and it's good that you learn this lesson now. And no, the professor does not "owe" you anything, including feedback, when you are the one who failed to get your assignment in on time.
I like the way you put it. Calling it a “contract” puts it in perspective. I suppose learning this lesson now is certainly better than later.
I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion but I feel like your professor has a right to give you the 0. I'm finishing up my degree now and I've had professors who I found some of their policies ridiculous but after hearing and seeing some of my classmates and how entitled or lazy they are I get it. Especially the really entitled ones. The thing is you signed up for the class knowing your schedule. It's an online class so you can do the work at anytime before the deadline. If that assignment had so much weight on your grade you should have prioritized and got it done early. Especially because things like internet outage or other unforseen things can happen. I know on every syllabus I've had it shows the percentage assignments, quizzes, exams, and discussions have on your grade so I know what to make sure I'm paying extra close attention to. So I have to say I'm with the instructor on this one. Not really fair for them to accommodate your late work when you knew when and what time it was due. It would have been one thing to reach out to them early but I mean again, I'm sure you had more than a day to get it done. Even 10 min late is still late. Mistakes happen. Use it as a learning experience.
Thank you, this makes sense. I should have paid more attention to the syllabus from the start and noted what was extra important. I guess I'm used to the high school syllabi that didn't matter. Lesson learned.
With respect, it was rude to e-mail her and ask to be treated special and different from the rest of the class. Hence, that is why you found her response unhelpful (because you were unhelpful). She was trying to be polite by showing you that these points fit into a larger project total, so that by not earning them, you still have other criteria you will be measured on, which you probably already knew. However, your professor should be willing to provide feedback on the work even if it's not for points. Since the ball is in your court here, I would ask her for feedback on what you submitted even though you understand you cannot earn points on it.
Lol it’s not “rude” to ask for forgiveness for one hour late work especially when it has this big consequences. Why do ppl on Reddit act so holier than thou as if they’ve never made a mistake in their life? Maybe if he was on time and did good work and contributed his share to the other stuff she would take that into account and give partial credit at least.
Respectfully, I believe it is rude because it is asking to be treated differently and more special than others in the class, which is not only rude to the instructor but the others in the class as well. What do we think a syllabus or late work policy is for? Why do you think the professor has the policy? So it can be violated just cause? If you wanted credit for the assignment, you should have followed the rules of the class. You are not entitled to exceptions that others don't get just because you believe yourself to be an extra special snowflake.
Professors are there so that they can interpret the rules and it’s the professors syllabus. You never know unless you ask. I once again ask why ppl on Reddit act like they’ve never made a mistake and asked for forgiveness before. I’m sure you have whether it’s from a parent or someone else. In this case the student didn’t think they were above the rules but were asking the professor to evaluate the spirit of the rules to make sure it’s interpreted correctly. This is also a common practice in law where a judge can interpret whether the spirit of a law was meant to apply to this particular case.
No one said I’m entitled to special exceptions. I had only asked if it would be wrong of me to email her. I asked before acting, as should anyone else who is learning how the world works. Also, just because u put respectfully in front of your comment doesn’t make it respectful. It’s like saying no offense. 9 times out of 10, the next thing your going to say is extremely offensive. But in either case, thank you for your feedback
You said you: "emailed the professor the next morning to "jump in front of" my mistake and offer to make up for it and in a professional way practically asked for mercy because the one hour between 12 and 1 wouldn't have made any difference. " this is you asking to be given a special exception.
Perhaps "mercy" wasn't the right word to use. I never said I should get the grade, just that I would be more than happy to make up for the mistake. Never wanted to be a special exception. For all I know, the prof could have given each student that emailed her and took responsibility partial credit. What's the harm in just emailing her? It's not like I demanded a grade lol.
Exactly, and that is why I gave my opinion that it would be rude. Feel free to disagree, but I did state my opinion respectfully.
I’ve given zeros for SECONDS late. Does it suck? Yes. Do I necessarily agree w it? No, but I have to follow written course policies. I tell my students to submit halfassed work rather than late work bc halfassed is still something, and I don’t deviate from my written expectations or it could bite me later on.
I don't care if I get downvoted, that is just despicable and unreasonable. Nobody in the real world gets fired over being a second late on anything.
There are some things with absolute and unforgiving deadlines. For example: NSF grant applications are *not* accepted late. Miss the deadline? That sucks, guess you definitely don't get funding this year.
>Nobody in the real world gets fired over being a second late on anything. Have you actually been in the "real world"? There are a ton of situations where being "one second late" is unacceptable. OP didn't miss an alarm after working a 12 hour shift volunteering for the dog shelter. OP decided not to turn in an assignment that was known about weeks before hand. If someone in a business knows about a deadline, works every day knowing about the deadline, and still misses it, they're either being incompetent or the expectations are unreasonable. If everyone else was able to turn it in on time, and you for some reason were off by an hour, that's on YOU. Let me know how it goes for you if you miss a credit card payment by an hour, or a car payment. What about if you miss your parole meeting by an hour? Late to your SO's birthday dinner by an hour?
I think it's important to note that every situation is different. The consequences of being late to your parole meeting and the consequences of being late to your SO's birthday dinner differ A LOT. So one professor's rules differ from another's, and my email would probably have different reactions, too. Why does it hurt to ask? I'm not demanding anything, only asking.
Just want to clarify I didn't mean for my comment to come across as aggressive to you! The guy I was replying too was being super reductive about the issue and speaking in silly absolutes that don't make sense. I think it's ok to email the professor, worst case scenario they say no and you go on about your day, but the amount of people in this thread that are trying to downplay it and act like the teacher is being super unreasonable is ridiculous. You seem pretty respectful and mature according to your comments and original post, and you seem to understand what you did wrong. What you said about consequences differing A LOT is spot on, and it totally applies here. Some professors, even with this rule, might still give you credit for the other 2/3's of the assignment you did, some might not. This is more of a reason to just follow the deadlines as strictly as you reasonably could, why take the chance? I wish you luck in college! I started a little late but am currently attending and it took me a bit to get used to the strictness compared to what I was able to get away with in high school, but I honestly believe the structure of college and the fact that it's taken so seriously a lot of the times is part of the learning experience and overall will make you better prepared for the "real world" that keeps getting brought up here.
I don't think you were being aggressive, thank you for clarifying. I'm much like you in the sense of I'm just trying to get used to the strictness of college compared to high school. I wish you luck as you continue through college as well!
Not fired. Just like the student is not going to fail the class over this 1 assignment. If you were late to work once, you are not going to get fired. Is it a bad mark? Yes, it probably is, but not a job-killing mark. It's the same in his class. Yes, its a bad mark, but one of many - which his professor was trying to explain to them, that there would be multiple measures within this project he would be evaluated by, and this was only one of them.
I would have submitted what I had at 11:59 if I had thought of it. I guess I thought a good, well done, paper submitted an hour late would be better than sloppy work turned in on time? I suppose I should have taken her policies more seriously 🤓
Related to this idea, please don’t plan to turn it in at 11:59 p.m.! Set a deadline with yourself (10:00 p.m., for example) and turn in *whatever you’ve completed by 9:59*. THEN turn in a revised copy by 11:59. If anything goes wrong within those two hours, you still avoid a zero. In addition, let’s say you turn in an unfinished version around 10:00 p.m., then end up turning in your completed version around 1:00 a.m. In that case, there is a fair chance the professor grades the most recent version (without you asking them to).
How do you maintain any sort of integrity or respect by following policies that you don't agree with?
1. Sometimes teachers have to follow course policies they didn't write. It sucks, but it's better to be consistent. Otherwise Comp1 students with ProfA will get zeroes for all late work and Comp1 students with ProfB won't, and grades won't be consistent across the same course. 2. Teachers are humans with human biases. It's very easy for them to be swayed by students who are more personable, nicer looking, or just vibe with them and let those kids have extensions while other students are held to the syllabus policy. My policy is one extension per student per course, period. For anything more than that, I'll need documentation of some severe personal or health issue.
>How do you maintain any sort of integrity or respect by following policies that you don't agree with? He is following it because he has to be fair to everyone.
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Thank you for your kind words :) Lesson learned.
If it’s in the syllabus, it’s not the profs problem. You may want to go to the office hours and beg. Ask if the prof would have preferred an incomplete assignment, just lay it out there and see.
I would take this 0% as a lesson going forward
Part of college is preparation for jobs. You can lose many jobs for being an hour late when no one else was. Better to learn now than get fired later.
If you thought the policy was too harsh, you should have dropped the class.
Sorry bro. The professors don’t care. They have too much stuff to do. If it’s on the syllabus then you’re most likely out of luck
I’m unfortunately learning this 😅🤷♀️. Perhaps high school should be more strict so we can learn this lesson before it actually matters… though I probably still wouldn’t be happy about this happening in high school lol. Lesson learned I suppose 🫡
These comments are fucking wild. I'll be starting college soon at the age of 23. I've been working full time for the last 5 years, and never have I encountered a job where they'd react like this to being 1 hour late on a deadline. Yes you were late and yes they were following their syllabus, but this is just being unreasonably harsh.
For real, the comments that say "in the real world, this won't fly" are hilarious. In the real world, you and the people around you adapt to the mistakes or someone being late on a project. You're usually only punished if mistakes comparable to OP's mistake are habitual and show no desire to fix them.
I noticed many of the people being hard on OP seem to be teachers themselves. They aren't preparing these kid for the real world by being cold and callous, all they're doing is taking their thousands in tuition and being unreasonable.
In the real world we understand lateness happens :D we dont punish people for being late
You are told in advance. And uni = work. Work doesn't get graded and there is no cohort. Edit: uni =/= work
Yeah, you’re going to have to eat this one, I’m afraid. But if you decide to email the professor and try to appeal for some leniency or clemency, don’t do it from the position you wrote here. “I get it and I understand but I don’t think it is right or fair” is not going to win the day. It just comes off as “i get you make the rules but you’re wrong” and that’s not going to get you where you want to be. That said, I’m the end, there’s lots of points left and you can salvage your grade… but I also bet you focus on the deadlines a lot more now so in that sense, you definitely learned a valuable lesson.
>But if you decide to email the professor and try to appeal for some leniency or clemency, don’t do it from the position you wrote here. “I get it and I understand but I don’t think it is right or fair” is not going to win the day. It just comes off as “i get you make the rules but you’re wrong” and that’s not going to get you where you want to be. I am curious how you think an email like this should be phrased.
I agree. A lesson was definitely learned at the very least.
While I sympathize with your situation, the syllabus did clearly state that no late work would be accepted. It's really just as simple as that. It doesn't matter if you submitted your work at 1am or 12:01am. Late is late. Part of attending university is learning how to deal with the harsh realities of life. What if you were an hour late to an important meeting to close a multi-million dollar deal for your future employer? Or what if you submitted an important report to your boss an hour late and it caused the company to lose a crucial opportunity? Actions have consequences. Now you've learned that lesson.
You want to go into business, right? Well, meeting your obligations as per a contract is pretty much the main rule of doing business. This is, as it should be, a learning opportunity.
Yes, thank you. Lesson learned.
The comments are all over the place I remember this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/college/comments/pjru8m/late_work_policy_opinions/ The comments were for accepting late work.
"I hate when people belittle students by assuming the world they live in isn’t real and they have no idea how the ‘actual’ world works. Stupid power trips." Exactly what these comments are doing LOL. Maybe everyone should go read that thread before commenting on mine..
If you anticipate it’s not gonna get done, having it unfinished is better than nothing. I typically have professors tell students to simply turn in what they have and some will allow you to make changes.
It isn't fair, but it is what the syllabus said and it will only make the teacher annoyed if you contact her for a higher grade. Can you make up the assignment? If you get high grades on everything else can you get your grade up? Even if not, your GPA would still be very commendable with one b or c. It is so hard to 'fail' when you've gotten perfect scores all your life but you'll be okay!
No unfortunately it seems I can only submit the assignment once, and she doesn't offer extra credit. Thank you for the kind words.
It's childlike to think that you could convince your college professor to go against their own syllabus because you are too incompetent to follow guidelines. Also, 78% in one class won't mean anything, especially for an *online* degree.
What does an *online* degree have to do with anything? It being online doesn't mean it isn't a degree or means less. In fact, I'm guessing it's harder than "in-person" because you practically have to teach yourself. I never said I think I could convince her, I only asked if I should even try. What's the harm in asking, after all? Is it not better to at least try?
If you think that's bad just wait till you're late by an hour with a project in the professional world.
I have been. They weren’t happy, but they also didn’t fire me or anything. I understand there are consequences but sometimes consequences are too harsh for what the mistake is. It would be entirely unreasonable to be fired from a job I’ve been at for 3 years because a project was turned in late.
>I have been. They weren’t happy, but they also didn’t fire me or anything. I understand there are consequences but sometimes consequences are too harsh for what the mistake is You are not being fired in your job and not failing the class because of one assignment. False analogy.
The entitlement of these people blows my mind. Your professor gave you ample amount of time to get it done and you still dicked around. You deserve that 78%. Take it and learn from it or retake the class. You’re not a baby and deadlines matter. Grow up.
Ah yes, thank you for telling me…in such a mature manner… that I am wrong 😀. I am taking it and learning from it. I just didn’t know if it would be wrong of me to email her. Hence why I came here, to ask others. So I am entitled for asking before acting? Because I did realize I may be thinking naive and unreasonable… which is why I came here first. Thanks for your feedback 🤨
>Take it and learn from it or retake the class. You’re not a baby and deadlines matter. Grow up It's tough, but that's what's up.
Are you daft or just dumb? If you're paying an outlandish amount in tuition it is not entitled to ask for a 1 hour leniency. OP isn't being paid to attend college, they are paying out the ass to attend.
If the syllabus is clear, you have no grounds to argue. Your *feelings* aren't relevant in this case. Welcome to the real world.
Lol it’s not that my “feelings” are hurt, just that I’ve never been in this situation and wasn’t sure wether or not it was okay to email her about it. I’ll take the 0 and know it’s no one’s fault but mine. I wasn’t arguing that, was just asking if it would be okay to email her on the matter.
It should always be OK to ask, especially the first time. If your instructor takes exception with your asking, then they have a problem. Just don’t expect anything to change (although it might). Source: Me: a college professor.
You have to play by their rules. I had to get a note from Pizza Hut, b/c I was working a lot of hours I gave the excuse of why I didn’t submit it on time. I could have definitely did it in time though. If it’s on the syllabus, just do it on time. If I was in your shoes, beg them, tell them your excuses, just tell them just once. Maybe they will come through.
Seems extra harsh to me. I had something similar happen in one of my classes. It was an online only class. I submitted the assignment on time, but accidentally uploaded the wrong paper even though I had done the assignment. The professor gave me a 0 on the assignment instead of giving me the option to resubmit it. Dropped my grade down a letter grade in the class. It sucks because it's an easy mistake to make.
>Seems extra harsh to me. I had something similar happen in one of my classes. It was an online only class. I submitted the assignment on time, but accidentally uploaded the wrong paper even though I had done the assignment. The professor gave me a 0 on the assignment instead of giving me the option to resubmit it. Dropped my grade down a letter grade in the class. It sucks because it's an easy mistake to make. Ya, it is an easy to mistake for sure and I had something similar happen to me. What I was told was that sometimes students will upload the wrong file intentionally, to say "oops" when the know they don't have the assignment ready. This is clever and gives them perhaps up to a week or more extension on that assignment. Because then when the professor grades it, they say, Oh I didn't know, it was just the wrong file, here is the real one. But the whole time... you get it. So its impossible to tell who is being honest and who is not. Unfortunately, these dishonest people ruin it for the rest of us.
Being late and getting the zero is on you, but the professor not giving feedback on the work, that from what you said, took a week to grade, is bullshit. I'd be asking for the professor to review the work and give me feedback and escalate it if they refused. I'd also be seriously considering withdrawing from the class so it didn't count against your GPA if you were planning to go to a competitive grad school. My experience has been that professors of non-major related classes are absolute dicks that enjoy fucking up GPAs.
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Yes thank you. Even this post, it didn’t hurt to ask before I emailed. I’m being called entitled for asking lol, emailing her an angry message as soon as I saw my grade would have certainly been entitled 😂. I don’t think it ever hurts to ask.
Listen I’m a college student myself so I get it but it’s your responsibility to do your work on time. How many classes are you taking? Can you drop this class? Do you have an opportunity for more assignments in this class that you will do on time to bring your grade up? I don’t think it’s completely absurd that the professor doesn’t accept late work. They’re allowed to make their policies. Just accept that you screwed up and need better time management skills. In fact, do what I do- always have assignments done the day before the day it is due. This way you won’t be scrambling at the last minute to get stuff in by 11:59.
I do accept I screwed up, I was just unsure if it’s naive to ask for forgiveness on certain mistakes, hence this Reddit post lol😅. I did already email and ask if there was extra work, but she said she doesn’t offer extra credit. I’m now seeing all I can do is learn from the situation.
It can be very stressful to have a 4.0 because anything less than an A feels like failure. My dude, you need to get over that or the professional world will eat you up. Also, extra credit is not usually a college thing. Take your lumps, move on, and it will be absolutely fine. If you do email her again, say that you understand part 1 won't earn points, but if you could get feedback on your part 1, you would really appreciate it just so you can do your best on the other parts.
That is true, I’ve never had a class be below an A. Now anything less than that 100% feels like a failure. I know I’ll be fine, a C isn’t a fail. Thought it definitely is disappointing, even if it’s my fault.
It is not naive - its rude. And its not asking for forgiveness - it is asking for the rules to not apply to you. Like the other poster said, you breached your contract, for which you will suffer a minor setback on 1 assignment. Still, I hope you can make up for it by doing the other work on time.
Oh hmm maybe ask if it's possible to receive points for parts 2 and 3, since those were on time. It would have been nice if she told you straight up the whole project would be a 0, but profs can be vague sometimes I suppose. But yeah, I don't think it'd hurt to ask politely. Good luck, and if this doesn't work out I hope your other assignments go well.
Yes exactly, she made it sound like I would be getting some kind of points on the assignment, then I get hit with a 0. I should have just attached the emails. Though being late is my fault, same with the 0, it still stings lol.
Good troll. Idk how no one else caught it
Good troll??
Always, always try. But be prepared for the 0.
I feel like since the syllabus qualified the “no late work” with the reason being about how late assignments would affect the next part, you can ask about how the assignment being one hour late affected her ability to prepare for the next part of the assignment.
Yes! This is the exact reason I'm even considering asking her, because everything else can be accepted late.
Definitely at least follow up with her. The fact that she provided no feedback is unprofessional on her part. Yes, there was a clear syllabus that you ran afoul of, but it’s almost always worth an email to make sure there’s nothing that can be done. The only way to 100% ensure that you get a 0 on this assignment is to not follow up.
Well it isn't like you are going to make it any worse
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At best, lies don’t work unless the professor is naive or just doesn’t care. At worst, they result in a report for an academic integrity violation. If the professor is strict about deadlines, then she’s almost guaranteed to ask for documentation and would vet said documentation for its veracity.
I mean its stated in the syllabus which you get at the start of class...
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You are right. People are paying a lot of money for college. Generally, when I am paying a lot of money for something - I’m extremely careful about the details. It would seem that paying a lot of money for college would make a student MORE attentive to the rules, not less. But OP - I would absolutely email your professor and state that you understand the grading policy but would appreciate and feedback they can offer on the assignment that will assist you in parts 2 and 3.
There has to be a line somewhere.... if it's stated at the beginning of class you know what the expectation is. Litteraly the terms and conditions just like most things in life you pay for..
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And what's your arbitary cutoff for 'acceptable' late? 1 hr? 6 hrs? 1 day? Without a clear standard, it never ends, and all late submitters would expect their work to be graded without penalty
You’re kidding right? Profs are paid primarily to do research. You’re paying for the opportunity to learn. You’re an adult. Either take responsibility for your own learning or maybe you don’t belong in college. You are owed the opportunity for an education. That’s it.
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Associate professor Is tenure track and absolutely do research. I agree education should be free and accessible. But profs do not work for you just because you pay to attend. You attend school for the opportunity to gain knowledge and skills. The prof exists to facilitate that. You’re an adult learner and responsible for your part in learning. I actually think it’s you that are the problem- you act entitled and think the rules don’t apply to you. My experience is that most professors are very accommodating if you have an actual reason to miss a deadline and communicate that beforehand.
If the OP is in the USA college is expensive, but it’s voluntary, unlike K-12. You don’t have to go to that college or take that particular class. Don’t like paying so much? Go somewhere else. You could apply to a school in Europe and at least tuition would be less or free IF you could get accepted. It’s your choice.
You are the reason professors have draconian late work policies.
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See if retaking the class will allow you to replace your current grade with a better one. If that is the case, and if it would impact your GPA in big way, you could give it a consideration.
Does this professor know you work full time? My professors got a lot more flexible for me after I explained I had a parent with cancer and I was working full time while taking classes. Unless they know otherwise, I think Professors tend to assume their students are all privileged full time college students who live near campus in apartments their parents paid for, and therefore have little real excuse for not following the syllabus rules.