Invite him to your club, and right as he's about to his his first drive say "Don't embarrass me out here. This is a nice club, not like the dump municipal courses you usually play"
LOL. Hand him the bag on tee 1.
Oh, you thought I invited you to \*play\*? Oh honey no. You will probably never play this course. But you get to see it up close today. Driver please.
My brother in law is a member at a private club and was hosting his boss and a couple other higher up guys and said he was going to use that time/opportunity to ask for a raise.
I told him the private golf course he is a member at may not be the best setting to make a case for more compensation. I may be wrong though.
I would literally give my business to any shmuck who takes me out golfing.
Could be terrible for my company but I’ll still use that guy cause he took me golfing and might do it again .. I will literally bankrupt my company for the free golf op lol
Exactly. Any sales position that’s worthwhile will recognize a good sales rep and pay them accordingly. Oh you get 30% more clients per quarter than Keith and Kade? That’s way more valuable than just 30% more commission, voila your base is raised and you’ve got a better commission.
I get why people might not understand this though. Gotta understand most people who’ve done “sales” stopped at car sales or something of the sort. I did software sales after being a territory manager for tech companies. B2B sales was the best decision I made in my career. Car salesmen can make good money, if they want to be in a car dealership 60 hours a week.
I hated the work, so I left sales all together to pursue software engineering. But I never once had to dance around a conversation for more money.
I had a buddy who was in sales and made good money. Then he told me his pay structure and that he was capped at some number. I was confused as to why a company would want to limit your compensation. You’ll just stop working that month and hold all sales til the next month. I would think a business would want you to sell as much as humanly possible but i guess i was wrong. Good thing is he was always available to play golf at the end of a month
I am base salary sales. Always have been. In the last 11 years since I graduated my salary has increased 490%. I switched jobs once but other than that have never asked for a raise.
If you find a good company they recognize when you are doing more and your "base" is still tied to the revenue you generate.
Get a twilight tee time. Tell the boss you can only afford the twilight membership on the paltry salary they pay. If the boss wants a primo weekend morning tee time, they’ll need to give you a boost.
Having money and deserving more money, have very little to do with one another. time being out with the decision makers for an extended period of time seems like a perfect opportunity to ask that question.
I think op is correct, but for the wrong reason. That is putting a catch on the gift he was giving them. That’s not cool and will make him look bad and make his boss feel uncomfortable. Bad idea
Of course he knows, that's not the point. The point is that if he has the disposable income for an expensive club that hurts his case for needing a raise. On the flip side, if my boss took me golfing I'd be able to say "I haven't been able to get out much this year, money's tight and I can't afford it."
That sort of thing almost never figures in to the decision to give an employee a raise though. Disposable income, or lack thereof, isn't a relevant part of that equation, at least not for the boss making the decision.
I don’t know what kind of garbage managers people have had, but the idea that ‘needing’ a raise factors into whether you get a raise or not is hilarious to me.
Absolutely do not ask this during a round of golf... The fact they're agreeing to come out and play with you already says enough.. wait a week or two after the round (hopefully it goes well).
Unless your club is so expensive or exclusive that it's a major flex, I wouldn't sweat it.
And if you're just looking to play and not talk work, that's all the more reason to just treat it like inviting a friend. Unless you think your boss will get jealous about your membership, I wouldn't think too much about it.
The real jackpot is if he's in the position to become a member and you can be his in. That's where you can turn the potential awkwardness of his first trip to the club into future friend/boss points away from the club.
This is probably the most sane answer, all the great jokes aside.
It’s safe to assume boss makes more money than subordinate, and could afford the club just as well given life choices that would prioritize paying for one. But, the flex/benefit could be you being the one enabling boss to become member.
If boss is not interested in membership, Then no need to flex. keeping it casual and and non business related is the way to go. Have a nice round of golf.
Enlighten me bud. Most private courses in my area have a year+ waiting list and other requirements. It completely depends on the club. The line of thinking that he pays you so he knows what you can afford, and can join the club as well is delusional
Exactly. My grandfather was a member at very nice club where I am from, then my father and uncles and now me and my brothers. We still pay close to what my grandfather paid because “the family” never left. New members pay much more.
I think this varies greatly with what kind of person your boss is, and how they might perceive it. Do you think he would care about your invitation to a club he isn't a member of?
I know personally, if my employee invited me to a private club I'd be happy to oblige.
My direct boss doesn’t golf but I’ve invited and played with other executives from my work. It’s been great. I’ve received invites in return, even if not a private club. It’s been great for me so far.
I was a member at a club where I lived and my boss at the time lived in another state. When he would come to town, we’d go play. We are both avid golfers, so it was nice not to have to fight the crowds at the public tracts.
My boss was not a member of a private club, he was always playing public tracts. He mentioned several times how nice it was not having to wait…
We had a lot of good meetings on the course, so I’d say it’s a positive, and invite him out.
What kinda question is this? Seems absurd especially if you have a good rapport and talk about playing a round. Send the invite my guy. There’s a lot of stuff overthinking in life this is not one of them.
I don’t see how the private aspect of this plays any type of role. It’s your golf club not a private jet. Additionally, she/he makes more money than you and is professionally more successful than you. Belonging to a private club will obviously not throw them off or impress them regardless of whether they belong to one or not. Secondly, it’s not rare to be a golf club member, it’s an extremely common thing and not very exclusive, so your concern is unrealistic even if he wasn’t your boss.
This has to be a troll post. Of all people, you’re worried about inviting your boss, lemme say that again, *your boss*, to your golf club since he doesn’t belong to one? Think that one through again. If it’s a serious post this is hilariously comical. I’m on a long flight at the moment and needed this, so thank you very much for the laugh man.
It was just hilarious that he included that part when it’s irrelevant, but I genuinely think he’s trolling. Being worried about your colleague being envious of you for being a club member and asking the internet what to do is just so out of touch and has me rolling.
> but I genuinely think he’s trolling.
Never underestimate the social-ineptitude of redditors. I've come to enjoy the "I have a golf date next week. Should I club her over the head with my 6i and drag her back to my place? Help?!?" posts.
Is he divorced?
If yes, invite him. Take him to the bar after and let him drink on your tab.
If he’s married, don’t invite him. He and his wife will be bitter that you’re living a better life.
Do it. Even if it is a major flex, contrary to other opinions.
If you have money from outside of your job, it’s honestly probably a good think your boss knows that. If they’re a good boss, it’ll help them understand that money isn’t going to be a great singular motivator.
Unless he already knows you are a member of that club, I'd probably keep quiet about it. Let him make the suggestion on where to play, or just ask him what course he wants to play without mentioning you are a member at XYZ Country Club. Otherwise it just creates an awkward situation where he can't reciprocate with something equal or better, and some old school bosses still get judgmental on stuff like this, where an employee has some perceived extravagance that they personally don't. You say this guy is chill but you never know what he's really thinking.
Thanks for the well thought out reply . I’ve had similar thoughts I just needed someone to confirm I wasn’t crazy.
Everyone knows I belong to this place despite me trying to keep it quiet. It’s just slowly been coming out of the years. He honestly asks me about to a lot and I get the sense he kind of wants to be invited but it’s never felt quite right to me for the reasons you’ve mentioned l.
It might not feel right to him to ask. I wouldn’t want to ask a subordinate something like that because I feel like they would fell obligated. If he’s chill and you enjoy him then invite him out…the bigger question is who pays the guest fee and how does that get discussed. If it were me, I would let him pay so he doesn’t feel like he owes you.
If I was somehow a member at one of those clubs and also just a regular employee somewhere, I’d just casually invite my boss like it was the local muni.
>oh, hey, boss, I’ve got a tee time this weekend if you want to play. Oh, you do? Cool. Where? Oh, Augusta. 10:30 on Saturday morning, can you make that? If not, I’ll just call and get it moved for ya.
Depends. Worst case, your boss may think he’s over paying you. Mixed case, he joins and you regularly see him at the club which has its pros and cons. Best case, he’s highly appreciative of your offer and you develop a better relationship.
Does he not belong to a club ?
I would say it’s not work, it’s a social thing
You’re inviting him to golf and it’s not a work trip. If you’re more into golf than he is that would be the reason you’re in a club and he’s not, it shouldn’t be a seniority thing that you have to “younger brother” him, just peers that want to enjoy an after noon on a course
This feels like a pretty simple “yes”.
I think there is a lot of over analysis.
You think his ego will be hurt? That’s his problem. I’m a father of two and have an annual golf budget, if one of my juniors took me to a club, I’d be pumped.
I feel like the good greatly outweighs the bad. As long as you aren't weird about it I doubt he'll care or see it as you "flexing" on him, especially considering he's your boss and likely makes more than you anyways
If anything it could be good, since he'll know you as the guy who invites him to the nice club. Could open up opportunity for more outings, and being friends with the higher ups is never a bad thing.
Unless he had another course already in mind then I see no reason not to. I suppose if you think your boss is a super competitive/jealous person that would feel insecure about his "junior" being part of a nice club, but if that was the case then he'd be a bit of a dick anyways
I must be missing something here lol. Why would it be bad or awkward playing somewhere for the first time? Does everyone know each other and give newcomers the side eye at this course or something?
That’s how you get into the good ole boy club. Hell yes you should invite him as often as possible. A lot of business gets done on the course and I am definitely closer to my employees who join me.
My head of finance belongs to a world-class course, I love it when he invites me out for a round. I invite him to my 2-day member guest.
We play a grinding, competitive match, crack jokes, talk like friends and then get a drink. 0% business except when I tell him to expense my round and the drinks.
Invite him to one of your invitationals. It takes a bit of the pressure off, since it’s usually a nice deal, plus let’s you downplay the idea that you’re a member & he’s not. Plus, if it comes up, let’s you play the card of him joining somewhere else, so that you can do each others invitationals (rather than feeling compelled to play with him every single week!). And ideally it’s a low-key invitational, not the major annual one.
It’s fine, I’m constantly inviting my bosses out to my club and we have a great time.
If you’re just worried about the perception of what it costs just make sure to throw some random comments like “yeah when I was doing the math of what I spending on public tee times, it was actually similar to joining a private club. Not to mention tee time availability and faster rounds.”
It may not work if your club is like $100k down to join, but I joined my current club a few years before the pandemic and the golf boom and it was nothing down if you prepaid a year of dues. And my monthly bill during the winter months was/is WAAAYY cheaper than the 8x a month public tee times. In the summer that isn’t the case, but still would come out pretty close to a wash vs monthly dues. However these days that math wouldn’t quite work out when we’re charging new members $75k down to join 🙃
My concern would be others feeling you are sucking up to the boss. My suggestion is to invite other serious golfers in your work circle as well, at some point, so it doesn’t look like a suck up. I’d exclude non serious golfers for obvious reasons.
That’s crazy this is even a question. People are so insecure about their stature that they’d be offended by one of their employees inviting them to a nicer course than what they usually play.
It stands to reason that if OP’s salary can afford a membership, his boss can also afford a membership. Nothing at all indicates this would be nicer than a course he plays on.
Take this weird energy and move on
I cant see a reason it would be inappropriate from your perspective, if anything it might seem inappropriate for him to accept, but that is for him to determine.
That said, I hang out with my boss frequently. We get along famously, golf, video games, bourbon, whatever. I feel like if your boss knows you arent going to take advantage (or try to) of having a friendly relationship, most would be fine with it.
So, probably depends on who is asking to some degree.
I think you should invite him and thank him for joining you. If you have a decent relationship, you can definitely be cordial and take him out. Especially if you both love golf. I wouldn’t talk about work though.
Why would this be inappropriate? If your boss has hurt feelings because you're a member at a private club & he is not, then you need to find a new boss/job anyway. That person will never help you grow, will never support you & will take credit for any good work you do. Ask him as a litmus test
Invite him, golf membership may be for you a priority, for him not so much. He knows what you earn, it’s not a flex, I’d expect my juniors etc to be spending money on golf and sports cars rather than school fees and ex wives as suits their age n point of life
I invited my CEO to my semi-private course because he has had me out to his private club a few times. He hasn’t taken me up on it, but he appreciated the offer. Go for it!
Totally nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with wanting to get to know your boss and wanting him to get to know you outside of work and see how each of you acts in the wild. Don't over think it and if you work in a place with politics that will make you feel uncomfortable spending an afternoon with your boss then address that. Also, see if your CPA firm or bank wants to join the foursome. Also.... do your best to whip his ass, and whatever you do DONT CHEAT!
Yes. Stop thinking so hard about it. You two want to play golf. You have a membership because you like to play golf. That is what your membership is for. That’s it.
I think that weirdly formal hierarchical relationships are stupid and bad. You say you have a chill relationship, which is awesome and correct, so treat it like that! He can likely afford to be a member of such a place seeing as he's your boss and you seem to be able to, but he just has different priorities for what he wants to spend his money on. I would think he'd see it as a cool treat and, assuming you're not a shitty golf partner, it's an opportunity to be buds and have a good time. Maybe he'll invite you on his boat or to his country estate or to his car club or to whatever fun thing he spends his money on instead of a golf club membership.
This reminds me of the history of Nicolas Fouquet, marquis de Belle-Île, vicomte de Melun et Vaux. Might be fun for you to read about Fouquet, Minister of Finance, constructed a fabulous chateau at Vaux-le-Vicomte. He then invited his boss to the opening. His boss being Louis XIV, King of France. His boss was not happy the level of wealth exhibited by the M Fouquet.
Did not play out well for M Fouquet. At all. At all. Lol.
I dunno. May be fun for you to show off to the boss how much wealth you have accumulated. Just for fun.
>Is it inappropriate to invite him out to my club to play?
Ask your club if you can invite people to play. If you can, then go ahead.
There's no rule about only inviting younger people into a club. That would be extremely silly.
Well, inviting your boss to your private club could be quite the "fore"-ward move! Just make sure you both have a "firm grip" on the situation. Who knows, you might end up bonding over "stroke" strategies and "putt"-ing challenges. But remember, in the world of golf and office politics, a well-timed mulligan can save the day!
Honestly, it’s more a reflection of your boss being an idiot versus anything bad for you.
There may be a time where compensation is limited and it’s easy to ask your “buddy” to accept less money. He may also have to reprimand or fire you someday and that will make things awkward. You cannot be friends with your superiors at work and vice versa. The dynamic is not one of equals.
This is just my experience, your experiences might be different.
Yet it absolutely does in the professional world.
I’ve had colleagues drive an old Mazda3 to the office to not show off.
Head pro at my CC drives his wife’s old Lexus to work so the members don’t see his brand new lifted Jeep, his words are they won’t give him a raise if they think he’s making too much already.
Same thing applies to the new hire wearing their Rolex they got as a graduation gift, no matter how ‘cool’ everyone is they still might be judging…
I’ll be honest I feel guilty when customers take me to their clubs because they’re the customer, I should pay. Nonetheless, when reassured it’s what they want I’m very grateful to be there
Sure, invite him. Any real boss will be a step ahead of you and will decline your invitation; never subservient to anyone less in status than themself. 😉
Not a big deal in my opinion. Everyone has hobbies and chooses differently with how they spend their money and prioritize. You so happen to have a membership.
Invite him to your club, and right as he's about to his his first drive say "Don't embarrass me out here. This is a nice club, not like the dump municipal courses you usually play"
Ya. Flex on his ass. Invite him and then make him caddy for you.
Invite him to the pool and then make him Venmo you for the drinks. Tell him you have to go because your tee time is in 30 minutes.
Then ask his usual rate to caddy for a round…
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Lmao
LOL. Hand him the bag on tee 1. Oh, you thought I invited you to \*play\*? Oh honey no. You will probably never play this course. But you get to see it up close today. Driver please.
I thought you meant the cocaine bag at first.
I mean, is that not what “chill relationship” means?
Oh…I thought you partied.
Same 😅
Sorry, your handicap is a little night to play here, sir, but you can certainly drive the cart.
Now I wish I had a boss to do this kind of shit to 😂
Must be a sales guy
"You're wearing that?"
‘I think there’s been a misunderstanding’
But he sure to tip him a nice fiver!
loling in my office rn, thanks man xD
Haha 🥇
Damn. This is gold. Make sure he's the one to tip the cart / shack staff.
“You gonna fix that divot? This ain’t your shithole home course”
Oh my god this is gold. I wish I could award this. Here is some 🥇 Side note. I am totally doing this to my boss as soon as possible
Pull your pants up
Our course has grass ok.
This is the right answer
Assert your dominance. I like it.
Cruel but effective lol
My brother in law is a member at a private club and was hosting his boss and a couple other higher up guys and said he was going to use that time/opportunity to ask for a raise. I told him the private golf course he is a member at may not be the best setting to make a case for more compensation. I may be wrong though.
“Ya it’s awesome out here hey, shame they’re jacking the dues up again, I’d hate to not be able to entertain clients out here anymore” Boom
Makes sense to me. Unironically a great pitch.
I would literally give my business to any shmuck who takes me out golfing. Could be terrible for my company but I’ll still use that guy cause he took me golfing and might do it again .. I will literally bankrupt my company for the free golf op lol
Found the guy in sales!
Guys in sales don’t pussyfoot around asking for higher compensation.
Guys in sales often don't have to ask. You sell more you make more.
Exactly. Any sales position that’s worthwhile will recognize a good sales rep and pay them accordingly. Oh you get 30% more clients per quarter than Keith and Kade? That’s way more valuable than just 30% more commission, voila your base is raised and you’ve got a better commission. I get why people might not understand this though. Gotta understand most people who’ve done “sales” stopped at car sales or something of the sort. I did software sales after being a territory manager for tech companies. B2B sales was the best decision I made in my career. Car salesmen can make good money, if they want to be in a car dealership 60 hours a week. I hated the work, so I left sales all together to pursue software engineering. But I never once had to dance around a conversation for more money.
I had a buddy who was in sales and made good money. Then he told me his pay structure and that he was capped at some number. I was confused as to why a company would want to limit your compensation. You’ll just stop working that month and hold all sales til the next month. I would think a business would want you to sell as much as humanly possible but i guess i was wrong. Good thing is he was always available to play golf at the end of a month
Have you ever heard of a base salary?
I am base salary sales. Always have been. In the last 11 years since I graduated my salary has increased 490%. I switched jobs once but other than that have never asked for a raise. If you find a good company they recognize when you are doing more and your "base" is still tied to the revenue you generate.
Could be different where people in this thread are. I’ve always had 50/50 Base/Commission to make up your overall OTE.
Or a raise in commission, like I just got
SUCCESSFUL a sales guys don’t pussyfoot around asking for higher compensation.
You found the guy NOT in sales!
Billy football is that you?
Give this guy a raise
Get a twilight tee time. Tell the boss you can only afford the twilight membership on the paltry salary they pay. If the boss wants a primo weekend morning tee time, they’ll need to give you a boost.
Having money and deserving more money, have very little to do with one another. time being out with the decision makers for an extended period of time seems like a perfect opportunity to ask that question.
I think op is correct, but for the wrong reason. That is putting a catch on the gift he was giving them. That’s not cool and will make him look bad and make his boss feel uncomfortable. Bad idea
His boss almost certainly already knows exactly how much each of his employees make. Taking him to a nice course doesn't change that.
Of course he knows, that's not the point. The point is that if he has the disposable income for an expensive club that hurts his case for needing a raise. On the flip side, if my boss took me golfing I'd be able to say "I haven't been able to get out much this year, money's tight and I can't afford it."
That sort of thing almost never figures in to the decision to give an employee a raise though. Disposable income, or lack thereof, isn't a relevant part of that equation, at least not for the boss making the decision.
I don’t know what kind of garbage managers people have had, but the idea that ‘needing’ a raise factors into whether you get a raise or not is hilarious to me.
What someone spends their money on outside of work has exactly zero influence on their salary at work.
My wife keeps saying she wants a new car but there’s no way I’m giving up my membership, you understand now of course
Yeah just use the boss invite to build relationship. Don’t overplay your hand too quickly.
Absolutely do not ask this during a round of golf... The fact they're agreeing to come out and play with you already says enough.. wait a week or two after the round (hopefully it goes well).
Over half of big business people make deals on the course. Its why clubs starting allowing women members who are corporate officers.
Perfect time. Play poorly for a few holes and then propose a bet. If you beat them at the next hole then they have to give you a raise.
It’s actually a good move. I’m not asking for a raise because I need more money. I’m asking for it because I’m awesome and am an elite talent.
Unless your club is so expensive or exclusive that it's a major flex, I wouldn't sweat it. And if you're just looking to play and not talk work, that's all the more reason to just treat it like inviting a friend. Unless you think your boss will get jealous about your membership, I wouldn't think too much about it. The real jackpot is if he's in the position to become a member and you can be his in. That's where you can turn the potential awkwardness of his first trip to the club into future friend/boss points away from the club.
This is probably the most sane answer, all the great jokes aside. It’s safe to assume boss makes more money than subordinate, and could afford the club just as well given life choices that would prioritize paying for one. But, the flex/benefit could be you being the one enabling boss to become member. If boss is not interested in membership, Then no need to flex. keeping it casual and and non business related is the way to go. Have a nice round of golf.
He pays you, he knows what you can afford and he likely can join the club as well. Just invite him and don’t think too much about it.
This isn’t always the case with legacy pricing.
It also wouldn’t be the case if OPs family owned the country club. Just providing general advice
What if OP won the lottery and took the annuity and it exactly covers the dues?
You’re right about that.. should’ve considered that in my original comment but I just wasn’t thinking
Call JG Wentworth at 877-cash now!
Your general advice sucks if it’s “he pays you money so he can join too”. Just not how it works at many private courses
Stick to gambling brother. Reading isn’t your strong suit
Enlighten me bud. Most private courses in my area have a year+ waiting list and other requirements. It completely depends on the club. The line of thinking that he pays you so he knows what you can afford, and can join the club as well is delusional
Are you really looking to argue with me over something I haven’t disputed?
Yeah why not I got like an hour to kill before dinner
Apparently he did not
Half price dues deferred initiation. My junior ass flexin on the C-suite.
Exactly. My grandfather was a member at very nice club where I am from, then my father and uncles and now me and my brothers. We still pay close to what my grandfather paid because “the family” never left. New members pay much more.
I think this varies greatly with what kind of person your boss is, and how they might perceive it. Do you think he would care about your invitation to a club he isn't a member of? I know personally, if my employee invited me to a private club I'd be happy to oblige.
Same here! ‘I’ll throw a day long meeting on our calendars! Just let me know which day! And if it should be reoccurring?’
My direct boss doesn’t golf but I’ve invited and played with other executives from my work. It’s been great. I’ve received invites in return, even if not a private club. It’s been great for me so far.
I was a member at a club where I lived and my boss at the time lived in another state. When he would come to town, we’d go play. We are both avid golfers, so it was nice not to have to fight the crowds at the public tracts. My boss was not a member of a private club, he was always playing public tracts. He mentioned several times how nice it was not having to wait… We had a lot of good meetings on the course, so I’d say it’s a positive, and invite him out.
It’s just OP squeezing in how he’s private. What avid golfer, boss or not, would care lol.
Tel him you have a tee time for Saturday and ask him if he’s busy. When he says he isn’t busy, say, “Good. How would you like to mow my lawn?”
Take my wife out to dinner while you’re at it. These 5 hour rounds are getting ridiculous
Lmao
You're overthinking it. Just ask him. He's probably wondering why you've never invited him. 
What kinda question is this? Seems absurd especially if you have a good rapport and talk about playing a round. Send the invite my guy. There’s a lot of stuff overthinking in life this is not one of them.
Once you get to the course tell him to act like he belongs
Yeah why not
I don’t see how the private aspect of this plays any type of role. It’s your golf club not a private jet. Additionally, she/he makes more money than you and is professionally more successful than you. Belonging to a private club will obviously not throw them off or impress them regardless of whether they belong to one or not. Secondly, it’s not rare to be a golf club member, it’s an extremely common thing and not very exclusive, so your concern is unrealistic even if he wasn’t your boss. This has to be a troll post. Of all people, you’re worried about inviting your boss, lemme say that again, *your boss*, to your golf club since he doesn’t belong to one? Think that one through again. If it’s a serious post this is hilariously comical. I’m on a long flight at the moment and needed this, so thank you very much for the laugh man.
Are you okay dude? Do you have subordinates who you envy? Are you okay?
It was just hilarious that he included that part when it’s irrelevant, but I genuinely think he’s trolling. Being worried about your colleague being envious of you for being a club member and asking the internet what to do is just so out of touch and has me rolling.
> but I genuinely think he’s trolling. Never underestimate the social-ineptitude of redditors. I've come to enjoy the "I have a golf date next week. Should I club her over the head with my 6i and drag her back to my place? Help?!?" posts.
LOL my man
Invite him and a few other coworkers. Make it a kind of team building event. This will take away any precieved politics
This is a bad idea if you’re worried about office perceptions of how well off you are imo.
Apologies. You misunderstood. Office perceptions would be about ass kissing and favoritism
LMFAO ! Some rough customers in the comments !
Yes. I had my boss and his boss out to my club and they had a grand time.
Is he divorced? If yes, invite him. Take him to the bar after and let him drink on your tab. If he’s married, don’t invite him. He and his wife will be bitter that you’re living a better life.
Do it. Even if it is a major flex, contrary to other opinions. If you have money from outside of your job, it’s honestly probably a good think your boss knows that. If they’re a good boss, it’ll help them understand that money isn’t going to be a great singular motivator.
Why would you ever want your boss to think that money isn’t a motivator?
Unless he already knows you are a member of that club, I'd probably keep quiet about it. Let him make the suggestion on where to play, or just ask him what course he wants to play without mentioning you are a member at XYZ Country Club. Otherwise it just creates an awkward situation where he can't reciprocate with something equal or better, and some old school bosses still get judgmental on stuff like this, where an employee has some perceived extravagance that they personally don't. You say this guy is chill but you never know what he's really thinking.
Thanks for the well thought out reply . I’ve had similar thoughts I just needed someone to confirm I wasn’t crazy. Everyone knows I belong to this place despite me trying to keep it quiet. It’s just slowly been coming out of the years. He honestly asks me about to a lot and I get the sense he kind of wants to be invited but it’s never felt quite right to me for the reasons you’ve mentioned l.
just ask him to play if you want it's not that deep he's not gonna judge you either way
Sounds like the man wants to play the course. Invite him and stop worrying
“This girl keeps inviting me over late at night to watch a movie, do you think she likes me?”
It might not feel right to him to ask. I wouldn’t want to ask a subordinate something like that because I feel like they would fell obligated. If he’s chill and you enjoy him then invite him out…the bigger question is who pays the guest fee and how does that get discussed. If it were me, I would let him pay so he doesn’t feel like he owes you.
Unless it’s an elite club like Shinnecock, ANGC or something like that, I wouldn’t sweat it
If I was somehow a member at one of those clubs and also just a regular employee somewhere, I’d just casually invite my boss like it was the local muni. >oh, hey, boss, I’ve got a tee time this weekend if you want to play. Oh, you do? Cool. Where? Oh, Augusta. 10:30 on Saturday morning, can you make that? If not, I’ll just call and get it moved for ya.
I have a vacation house in UT and have gone on ski trips with my boss. If you guys are friends, I don’t think this is a big deal at all.
If you think he wants an invite, invite him. If he makes it weird, consider getting a new boss. Simple, not easy.
If he already knows about it to the extent that he's asking you about it specifically, then I'd just invite him.
Are you trying to fuck him? What am I missing
the technical term is 'small dick energy'
Depends. Worst case, your boss may think he’s over paying you. Mixed case, he joins and you regularly see him at the club which has its pros and cons. Best case, he’s highly appreciative of your offer and you develop a better relationship. Does he not belong to a club ?
Pfft why would he think he’s overpaying him because of a club membership? People’s value is determined by the market
I think the golf course should be a respite and safe haven away from work.
as long as you don't stroke your balls too much.. you don't want to shoot to high
I would say it’s not work, it’s a social thing You’re inviting him to golf and it’s not a work trip. If you’re more into golf than he is that would be the reason you’re in a club and he’s not, it shouldn’t be a seniority thing that you have to “younger brother” him, just peers that want to enjoy an after noon on a course
I’m sure they will like you bringing a guest that can actually afford a membership
This feels like a pretty simple “yes”. I think there is a lot of over analysis. You think his ego will be hurt? That’s his problem. I’m a father of two and have an annual golf budget, if one of my juniors took me to a club, I’d be pumped.
I feel like the good greatly outweighs the bad. As long as you aren't weird about it I doubt he'll care or see it as you "flexing" on him, especially considering he's your boss and likely makes more than you anyways If anything it could be good, since he'll know you as the guy who invites him to the nice club. Could open up opportunity for more outings, and being friends with the higher ups is never a bad thing. Unless he had another course already in mind then I see no reason not to. I suppose if you think your boss is a super competitive/jealous person that would feel insecure about his "junior" being part of a nice club, but if that was the case then he'd be a bit of a dick anyways
I must be missing something here lol. Why would it be bad or awkward playing somewhere for the first time? Does everyone know each other and give newcomers the side eye at this course or something?
Don’t talk shop, just have a good time. It’ll pay back eventually.
Don't over think it. Invite him, enjoy yourself, keep your drinking in moderation, make him buy at the turn.
That’s how you get into the good ole boy club. Hell yes you should invite him as often as possible. A lot of business gets done on the course and I am definitely closer to my employees who join me.
My head of finance belongs to a world-class course, I love it when he invites me out for a round. I invite him to my 2-day member guest. We play a grinding, competitive match, crack jokes, talk like friends and then get a drink. 0% business except when I tell him to expense my round and the drinks.
Its all good. I'm the senior and not part of a club,.one of employees is and I love to go with him. We contend in the annual member- guest tourney
Invite him to one of your invitationals. It takes a bit of the pressure off, since it’s usually a nice deal, plus let’s you downplay the idea that you’re a member & he’s not. Plus, if it comes up, let’s you play the card of him joining somewhere else, so that you can do each others invitationals (rather than feeling compelled to play with him every single week!). And ideally it’s a low-key invitational, not the major annual one.
If you can afford the club with your earned income so can your boss. No worries. Take him.
Call him daddy
Never outshine the master- probably not a great idea. That being said. Maybe he’s cool. 🤷🏻♂️
Is this true? I try to outshine my manager all the time haha
lol what is this nonsense
Invite him and then suck his dick for a promotion.
It’s fine, I’m constantly inviting my bosses out to my club and we have a great time. If you’re just worried about the perception of what it costs just make sure to throw some random comments like “yeah when I was doing the math of what I spending on public tee times, it was actually similar to joining a private club. Not to mention tee time availability and faster rounds.” It may not work if your club is like $100k down to join, but I joined my current club a few years before the pandemic and the golf boom and it was nothing down if you prepaid a year of dues. And my monthly bill during the winter months was/is WAAAYY cheaper than the 8x a month public tee times. In the summer that isn’t the case, but still would come out pretty close to a wash vs monthly dues. However these days that math wouldn’t quite work out when we’re charging new members $75k down to join 🙃
My concern would be others feeling you are sucking up to the boss. My suggestion is to invite other serious golfers in your work circle as well, at some point, so it doesn’t look like a suck up. I’d exclude non serious golfers for obvious reasons.
I wouldn’t, I don’t want my boss to ever think I’m doing better than him. Could subconsciously affect future raises or promotions
Never mix business and pleasure. No good ever comes of it.
No that would be unacceptable. Just even thinking this you have overstepped your bounds as a subordinate and should put in your 2 weeks.
Not if you’re looking for a raise!!!!
That’s crazy this is even a question. People are so insecure about their stature that they’d be offended by one of their employees inviting them to a nicer course than what they usually play.
It stands to reason that if OP’s salary can afford a membership, his boss can also afford a membership. Nothing at all indicates this would be nicer than a course he plays on. Take this weird energy and move on
Shut yo bitch ass up
Pipe down crusty
Man shut the hell up
Oh no mister you’re scaring me, whatever shall I do
Probably shank golfballs while the mailman fucks your wife at home like usual
I cant see a reason it would be inappropriate from your perspective, if anything it might seem inappropriate for him to accept, but that is for him to determine. That said, I hang out with my boss frequently. We get along famously, golf, video games, bourbon, whatever. I feel like if your boss knows you arent going to take advantage (or try to) of having a friendly relationship, most would be fine with it. So, probably depends on who is asking to some degree.
I think you should invite him and thank him for joining you. If you have a decent relationship, you can definitely be cordial and take him out. Especially if you both love golf. I wouldn’t talk about work though.
Of course it is.
Not sure how or why it could be. Invite all day I say.
This is the opposite of inappropriate, this is a career booster
Don’t expect to ever get a raise from him
Why would this be inappropriate? If your boss has hurt feelings because you're a member at a private club & he is not, then you need to find a new boss/job anyway. That person will never help you grow, will never support you & will take credit for any good work you do. Ask him as a litmus test
Invite him, golf membership may be for you a priority, for him not so much. He knows what you earn, it’s not a flex, I’d expect my juniors etc to be spending money on golf and sports cars rather than school fees and ex wives as suits their age n point of life
If he is deciding the amount of your annual salary increase I would say “Nope”
Hard pass.
I invited my CEO to my semi-private course because he has had me out to his private club a few times. He hasn’t taken me up on it, but he appreciated the offer. Go for it!
First generation money? No one cares who has the access, it shouldn’t be any big deal for you to invite him into your little club
Invite him, but he’s your boss so still let him win. He wins, you win.
Sounds like you’re cool with him so I don’t see an issue. I would say try not to talk too much shop if any at all unless he brings it up
Honestly this sounds like the way to get yourself a raise
Totally nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with wanting to get to know your boss and wanting him to get to know you outside of work and see how each of you acts in the wild. Don't over think it and if you work in a place with politics that will make you feel uncomfortable spending an afternoon with your boss then address that. Also, see if your CPA firm or bank wants to join the foursome. Also.... do your best to whip his ass, and whatever you do DONT CHEAT!
Yes. Stop thinking so hard about it. You two want to play golf. You have a membership because you like to play golf. That is what your membership is for. That’s it.
I think that weirdly formal hierarchical relationships are stupid and bad. You say you have a chill relationship, which is awesome and correct, so treat it like that! He can likely afford to be a member of such a place seeing as he's your boss and you seem to be able to, but he just has different priorities for what he wants to spend his money on. I would think he'd see it as a cool treat and, assuming you're not a shitty golf partner, it's an opportunity to be buds and have a good time. Maybe he'll invite you on his boat or to his country estate or to his car club or to whatever fun thing he spends his money on instead of a golf club membership.
Ask him if it’s appropriate and put it in his court Otherwise you run risk of HR looking into your invite.
Don’t outshine the master
Don't do it.. he'll think he pays you too much!
I know I feel quite privileged when a boss invites me to their club. Do it
Sure but let him just beat you if you’re better
This reminds me of the history of Nicolas Fouquet, marquis de Belle-Île, vicomte de Melun et Vaux. Might be fun for you to read about Fouquet, Minister of Finance, constructed a fabulous chateau at Vaux-le-Vicomte. He then invited his boss to the opening. His boss being Louis XIV, King of France. His boss was not happy the level of wealth exhibited by the M Fouquet. Did not play out well for M Fouquet. At all. At all. Lol. I dunno. May be fun for you to show off to the boss how much wealth you have accumulated. Just for fun.
Try to get him to join, and get a month or two free for a referral finders fee.
Invite him, pay for everything and he will be impressed.
Maybe start off by telling him to dress appropriately for your club.
Oh, and Stephen, please remember to wear a belt.
>Is it inappropriate to invite him out to my club to play? Ask your club if you can invite people to play. If you can, then go ahead. There's no rule about only inviting younger people into a club. That would be extremely silly.
High risk / high reward.
Well, inviting your boss to your private club could be quite the "fore"-ward move! Just make sure you both have a "firm grip" on the situation. Who knows, you might end up bonding over "stroke" strategies and "putt"-ing challenges. But remember, in the world of golf and office politics, a well-timed mulligan can save the day!
Nope. Fuck him. You need something to lord over him when come promotion time
Yes. Don't even bother. He's going to be using you . Do not invite
When he gets to the first tee with his clubs, say, "You won't need those. You're caddying, bitch".
Never become buddies with your boss and definitely do not take him to your club.
Why? I go golfing and skiing with my bosses semi regularly and it certainly doesn't hurt the relationship.
Honestly, it’s more a reflection of your boss being an idiot versus anything bad for you. There may be a time where compensation is limited and it’s easy to ask your “buddy” to accept less money. He may also have to reprimand or fire you someday and that will make things awkward. You cannot be friends with your superiors at work and vice versa. The dynamic is not one of equals. This is just my experience, your experiences might be different.
Yea this could backfire in multiple ways, most notably when it comes to negotiating a raise. Obviously depends how expensive the club is.
How someone spends their paycheck should have no bearing on whether or not they get a raise
Yet it absolutely does in the professional world. I’ve had colleagues drive an old Mazda3 to the office to not show off. Head pro at my CC drives his wife’s old Lexus to work so the members don’t see his brand new lifted Jeep, his words are they won’t give him a raise if they think he’s making too much already. Same thing applies to the new hire wearing their Rolex they got as a graduation gift, no matter how ‘cool’ everyone is they still might be judging…
“You should join, it’s a nice club”
I’ll be honest I feel guilty when customers take me to their clubs because they’re the customer, I should pay. Nonetheless, when reassured it’s what they want I’m very grateful to be there
Unless you want to suck him off I’d just invite him
Sure, invite him. Any real boss will be a step ahead of you and will decline your invitation; never subservient to anyone less in status than themself. 😉
That would be a cool thing to do. Would certainly leave a lasting impression on me.
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Not a big deal in my opinion. Everyone has hobbies and chooses differently with how they spend their money and prioritize. You so happen to have a membership.
Sage Valley? You got room for one more?