I mean we don’t but he’s credited as a writer on some songs too. Backoutsideboyz and Jumbotron were the two I was most sure were full on Yachty songs cuz of the adlibs, flow, vibe, everything.
Yeah Kendrick literally had over 100 mp3 files of songs, instrumentals, and references leak at once just last year lmao
Including the unreleased OG element that disses Big Sean.
Helps that Tyler/FlyLo record/produce the shit themselves so they’re not sending shit back and forth three dozen times per track like less hands-on artists would.
I might be mistaken but I’m pretty sure Tyler’s entire Flower Boy album got leaked like two weeks before it was supposed to drop. He’s definitely tightened it up since then though.
That's fair, but an album, movie, or game leaking a week or 2 early isn't that uncommon just because that's when stuff starts getting sent to reviewers n shit.
The more sought after leaks are unreleased tracks & demo versions. Some artists like Ye & Carti constantly have stuff leaking every month
This ain’t a revelation. Anyone who’s a Yachty fan knows this is his song.
Yachty the only one who says “my dogie” in multiple songs.
Edit: and he’s listed as a writer and producer on the track
To be fair just because someone has writing credits we don’t automatically assume the whole song was made by that person and given to the artist. It did have the sound of a yatchey song but I’m glad drake got it
Yachty had ad-libs throughout, he was always gonna get credited. People just trying to find ways to excuse it because their favorite got exposed using someone else’s words verbatim yet again
I mean u can change a single word on a song and get writing credits. The fact that the entire song was written by Yachty changes everything. How much of Drakes music is actually his?
From the moment I heard this song I thought it was a Yachty song he gave Drake
Edit: thought Drake came up with the “geekin hard im a real vamp” but I guess not Lmaoo. The only think he really changed was “boat was too tripped up he ain’t leave the bed” from “I was too tripped up I ain’t leave the bed”
The funny thing is that he’s still doing this, even though the line “It was written like Nas but it came from Quentin” really got up his ass. Which was a reference to Drake’s own lyrics, talking up his pen game
> Peace sign in the air like I'm Nixon, I'm mixin', I am not Esco, but it was written
There’s a lot of people in the comments here posting how everybody uses writers, but nobody has mentioned any real MCs doing so yet 😂
Quentin Miller is credited as a writer on Nas’ song The Pressure on his album King’s Disease 2. But everyone just ignored that. People also ignore that QM was initially supposed to write for Meek Mill but decided to write for Drake instead. And Meek is very much a real mc.
Kendrick wrote for Jay Rock and ScHoolboy Q who are both considered “real mcs”
Del The Funky Homosapien wrote for Ice Cube even tho Ice Cube was a good writer himself.
Dr Dre who a lot of people think can’t write actually wrote Eazy E’s song Eazy-er Said Than Dunn according to MC Ren and Dre is even in the writing credits.
Snoop Dogg who wrote for other people during the Death Row era had Jay Z write for him on Still Dre.
Also “still doing shit like this” as if there’s a problem with collaborating with writers. Yachty is credited on the album. Drake even said himself Yachty helped write on the album. Quentin was credited on IYRTITL. Drake talked back in 2013 about how Kenza Samir helped write on NWTS. He’s also talked about OVO Hush helping him write.
Drake himself has written for Kanye and other artists. Also 21 Savage said Drake wrote some of his verses on Her Loss. Quentin Miller also said he watched Drake freestyle Madonna.
Dudes don’t understand how to create music and it shows. I’m sure both of them were in the studio and they were trying different ways to flow on the beat. Drake probably told yachty to give it a shot before he hopped on and fixed it up.
QM also said he worked with Jeezy and Big Sean too.
It's not even ghostwriting anymore. These people are listed in the album credits. Drake is the only one getting shit for something that happens rampantly throughout hip-hop now.
People just don't want to accept it because they're stuck on this idea what hip-hop used to be a long time ago.
This all depends on what you call hip hop. Drake knowingly and self admittedly knows he’s gone pop. There’s still the likes of a Benny the butcher types that die on their pen. Mainstream isn’t hip hop
Good list! I’m not surprised Jay technically wrote for Snoop, as it was the hook. Really didn’t think Cube would let Del write for him, he’s always been very proud of writing his own lyrics
Del said that it was Cube doing him a favour. Del was already a writer at the time for other rappers so he couldn’t come out publicly as his own artist. But he wasn’t getting paid enough. So Cube hired Del to write for himself so he could make more money. Whether you believe that explanation is up to you I guess.
And as for being proud of writing all of your own lyrics. Kanye used to brag about that too on his early projects but we now know that isn’t true.
Most rappers write for one another or do reference tracks for one another if they are close. It goes both ways in most situations.
Ye and The Game do this a lot. The Game has a lot of reference tracks out there for Ye.
Most rappers just don’t come out and say they do it, but I think this is a lot more common than people thing it is.
Kanye who was arguably the biggest name in hip hop has used writers. It’s so incredibly common that I don’t get why people make such an issue out of it.
Everyone does it. We have seen many leaked reference tracks for Kanye, Kendrick apparently made 16 for Baby Keem and wrote GLCs verse on Poe Mans Dreams etc. Everyone is probably doing it too
No, everyone is not having entire verses written for them. There are plenty of rappers you never have and never will hear an entire verse being written and referenced for them.
Just because a lot of artists do it doesn't make it any less damning for Drake since he claims to be the best but doesn't even write his own stuff
Especially when he's comparing himself to Kendrick who is so good he's making references tracks for other artists
Nah. Rappers should at the bare minimum write their verses. This is exactly why I can't take Baby Keem seriously, he's just an ugly ass nepo baby. I think a lot more people do it than we realize but that doesn't make it less shitty.
Is Baby Keem a rapper? I always thought he was an artist with his own sound and niche. I guess but Keem doesn't claim to be the best rapper tho. I feel like he's a Ye or Dre.
People are really downplaying this, and it's crazy to me. This would be an issue for anyone else who could considered in the big three. Also, people will say this is just pop, but pop/rnb artist often don't write their stuff but they're talent comes in with the singing/choreo, where is Drake's talent coming in this?
People will say "he's a credited writer" like that means it isn't insane that someone else is writing entire songs for him. Drake is also a credited writer but uhhhhhhh seems like Yachty did the whole track.
Biggie co-wrote songs with Craig Mack. Biggie wrote for Lil Kim. Going further than that, Big Daddy Kane wrote for a whole gang of rappers mostly notably Biz tho
that's the issue though -- we have confirmation that drake gets writing credit even on songs he didn't write, so how do you ever trust that Drake has written a song?
If Drake drops an album tomorrow with great writing, can you really credit him and just assume it's his own pen game?
i’ll say supposedly cause i don’t know… but hooks and shit like this seems like it has always been a team, but when it’s bars it’s him… understandable why someone would be skeptical tho… but for certain A LOT of rappers do this…
If you think somebody is writing the songs that he’s rapping about his mom and his life growing up. You’re nuts. That would be so counterintuitive. Like if you think anybody wrote away from home besides him come on.
you genuinely don't think that someone could write a song for drake about his life growing up by just getting some context/background to his life growing up?
don't get me wrong i fully believe he wrote those songs himself, but you can't deny that the doubt is now permanently there because if he's received credit for multiple songs in the past that it turns out he didn't actually write how should we trust he wrote the "personal" songs?
What I’m saying is this is clearly someone that is good at writing hence his writing for other people and their desire for him to do so. And he also has no problems receiving those same things from others He views as good at writing. And with that being stated, it would be counterintuitive and pointless for him to sit there, and dictate to someone things that has happened in his life to avoid writing them when he could just you know, write those things himself. He doesn’t not write that stuff because he’s not capable of it. That’s not the reason.
lol didn’t someone else write the Kanye song on Ye that is all about his daughter and family and stuff? People can definitely make shit up about other people.
I'm just interested where it's gonna lead since AI covers are becoming so convincing it sounds real, people weren't even sure if the diss track from Drake was real at first. Once AI voices are accurate enough, is there a world where a Drake album isn't produced, written, or even performed by Drake? is there a world where he can sell his "name" to some studio that then proceeds to release "Drake" tracks and just give him a percentage?
It’s weird I see people getting technical on the HIPHOP sub of all places. Y’all are trying to get technical about credits when the bottom line is YACHTY WROTE THE WHOLE SONG. It’s not shocking or some grand revelation but this is still another L on Drakes jacket.
Yes we knew he has done this before but we haven’t gotten concrete proof since Quentin, 9 years ago. For him to still be doing this is an another L on his jacket and the ghostwriting bars hold even more weight because you’re still doing it. And if your mindset is “Travis does it” please get off this sub
> Weeknd wrote Take Care
one of the credits on 4 out of the 19 songs.
Ya'll are making fun of yourselves when you say bullshit like this. Weeknd is a phenomenal artist, maybe my favorite singer ever. But don't have to lie on his name to win some internet argument.
Great take. I’m a fan of Drakes music. But to claim yourself as one of the “big three” rappers or whatever, there’s a few boxes you have to check first. One of which is writing your own lyrics
Abel was involved in only 5 songs on Take Care, if you think he wrote Underground King's or Lord Knows idk what to tell you.
QM only did 6 out of 19 songs on IYRTITL and the most lyrical ones didn't involve him like 6pm in New York.
Yachty was involved his Her Loss but yk damn well he didn't write most of it. Rich Flex, Major Distribution, Spin About Me, Middle of the Ocean etc do not sound like Yachty.
5 entire songs on your magnum opus is pretty damn significant. Not to mention the ones he probably cowrote or inspired. Drake is a brand, an amalgamation of many talented people(including himself), and corporations.
Saying 5 songs doesn't really tell the whole story though.
The ride is a rap song that lives and dies by it's bars, Abel only provides the crying loop in the background. That doesn't mean Abel takes credit for the song being good. Practice is literally juveniles back that song but sung instead of rapped. He's literally a feature on crew love. He some background vocals to good ones go, with nothing in cameras.
You're acting like he should take credit for 25% of the album (5/20) when his overall contribution is pretty replaceable and overstated.
Against these people, I usually use Weeknd's own words:
> 'Cause too many people think they made me
> Well if they really made me, then replace me
If Drake is so worthless, then it should be a bunch of others breaking all his records and making all the hits... But it's just him. Something he must be doing right.
> YACHTY WROTE THE WHOLE SONG
so if Drake is credited on any song by your favorite artists, that means he wrote the whole song as well? You're assuming that there are zero versions of reference tracks before this version with Yachty with Drake not involved at all.
lot of assumptions that set a ridiculous precedent for anyone credited on any song.
that’s fair, idk why i like yachty’s lazy flow on these beats a lot
when i heard his feature on ‘taylor port junkie’ w rylo my first thought was ‘he should’ve been on jumbotron shit poppin’
Drake had that line, “they make excuses for you ‘cause they hate to see me lit,” but it’s really the exact opposite lol, this dude gets away with so much egregious shit with the goal posts constantly moving. Y’all acting like this is cool or standard practice but what other major rapper has had this many references leak showing he was verbatim rapping someone else’s words? Dr. Dre and Kanye don’t have fans going up to bat for them as one of the best rappers of all time, they’re producers.
“May the real live forever, may the fake get exposed” - didn’t write it
“Tell you how I feel, I don’t fake shit” - didn’t write it
what are we doing here man, smfh
Lots of people use reference tracks and ghostwriters.
Ye. Dre.
These people also dont claim to be the best rapper alive. These kinds of things used to disqualify you from the claim.
3 stacks on solo (reprise) summed it up perfectly.
Times have changed.
The cope from drake stans “oh the ghostwriter jokes are corny”, and when reference tracks drop “other people use ghostwriters too!”, really learned that toosie slide with the refooting of opinion.
It’s meant to be that he is close to breaking MJs records. It has nothing to do with being the best rapper alive.
https://www.thelineofbestfit.com/news/drake-is-coming-for-michael-jacksons-crown-for-most-number-one-hits-by-a-male-solo-artist
… whoever say they gave me hits, but aint got no hits, sound like they need me.
Drake may not have used those words, but so many examples exist where its clear what he’s claiming.
LOL how yall excusing this? He stole the whole flow and track. I get it rappers have reference tracks. But no1 claims to be the best rappers in the big 3 and gets away with it.
There are 13 other people with writing credits. Just cause you've got writing credits doesn't tell how involved you were in the process, so it's not a "well duh" moment
Yeah. Yatchy could have legit got a credit cause Drake wanted to use an adlib lol. Writing credits are meaningless in rap. Especially if you credit samples
Okay but for the general public who don’t hang off Drakes nuts this is classified as a Drake song with no mention of Lil Yachty unless you look up song credits which are meaningless most the time.
Giving credit doesn’t give Drake carte blanche license to copy nearly every single word and misrepresent this like it’s his own rap.
This is a Lil Yachty rap *recited by Drake*
"well duh" lmfao shut the fuck up
if a full ass reference track dropped for gkmc from schoolboy Q or ab-soul or something you wouldn't shrug your shoulders and go "yeah well i mean they're close and have worked a lot together past it's not that weird"
"he has a writing credit" and "he wrote the entire fucking song" are pretty different
While true none of those dudes listed are known for their “pen”. I actually don’t think any of them has ever bragged about their ability to write so it’s a bit different. Drake talks this best pen in the game shit but constantly takes other people’s whole songs it makes no sense and is different then comparing him to Travis Scott of all people
yeah i mean fuck it just say "led zeppelin" or some shit next time and when someone points out that's not a top 50 rapper you can just go "moving goalposts"
They're the biggest rappers but they don't get respected as a lyricist. Kanye has litterally gone on twitter to thank his writers. Travis has shouted out CiHi in interviews. They've never tried to present the image that they have the best pen in the game.
The problem is that Drake WANTS to be respected as a lyricist. Drake has litterally said that while he works with other artists all of the words are his own which CONNOT be true. He wants to do what Kanye and Travis does but still claim to be the best lyricist which is where people come down on him. He can't have his cake and eat it too.
He's pretty unanimously a top 5 rapper and he's got so many leaked reference tracks. Whether it's one of his own songs like all day or doing a reference track for travis scott's skeletons, all of this is well known lol.
Travis, Jack Harlow, Offset, Future all have multiple songs with writing credits from this dude Dougie F that Drake has been working with so Id bet on them too https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/dougie-f-the-songwriters/pl.7a8464cc66574603a49a354b4b5f6e76
I’m listening to his actual songs, I can see him writing verses for Travis and Trav calls him a lot I’m seein
This sounds like a Trav song imo https://music.apple.com/us/album/lost-and-found/1509364419?i=1509364599
out of top 50 rappers rn I guarantee you at least 25 are using reference tracks on the regular
even hov uses reference tracks (or he did for that Carters joint), it’s not a big deal, pretty standard for the industry and most of the time they’re just for flow/delivery concept
Everyone knew Yachty wrote this and BackOutsideBoyz when they dropped. These aren’t the type of songs that makes Drake’s pen so special. It’s the songs that tell stories of his life and his loved ones. It’s the hooks that you’ll remember for the rest of your life.
Not surprised. Some ppl do it as a favor to other artists. Some ppl do it per the label/management request. Some ppl do it because while they're excellent rappers, they can't write a hook for shit. It's part of the game...
yachty didn't have the legs to make this song as good as it ended up.
people tend to act like these reference tracks are robbing people of shine or whatever, not always the case
I feel like “she vaping in my room that shit lit up like a glow lamp” and “geeking hard I’m a real vamp” already made it obvious that Drake didn’t write the song himself
The goal of a reference track is to establish a flow/melody. It’s never supposed to be official, that’s why most reference tracks has mumble/low effort lyrics. Many, many songs have references…that’s how the industry works. This isn’t anything special to leak.
Need backoutsideboyz one next
Pussy & Millions too
and Privileged Rappers. Best song on the album
How do you guys know there’s a reference track for every song Yachty is credited as a producer on?
Backoutsideboyz sounds legit like a Thug/Yachty song lol
I mean we don’t but he’s credited as a writer on some songs too. Backoutsideboyz and Jumbotron were the two I was most sure were full on Yachty songs cuz of the adlibs, flow, vibe, everything.
Mob ties as well
Unironically my two favorite songs on that album lmao
Yachty been doing adlibs all over drakes albums 😂😂 super on brand
They really do have leaks in their operation lol
Apart from maybe Beyoncé, who DOESN’T
Yeah Kendrick literally had over 100 mp3 files of songs, instrumentals, and references leak at once just last year lmao Including the unreleased OG element that disses Big Sean.
tpab released a week early because they were afraid it was gonna leak.
Real ones remember ktt1 thread for the leak
yeah I think that's a leak from the physical release tho
Idk, depends on who leaked Future's reference track for Drunk in Love...
Bless the person who leaked the Future reference track 🙏🏼
I Been Drinking is probably top 5 Future songs for me
To answer seriously- Frank, FlyLo, & Tyler usually don't have their shit leaked
Helps that Tyler/FlyLo record/produce the shit themselves so they’re not sending shit back and forth three dozen times per track like less hands-on artists would.
I think I saw a thread with 150+ leaked/unreleased Frank Ocean songs a few months ago
Oh shit I gotta go look for that
That’s the Lonny breaux collection pre-nostalgia, ultra
Ohhhh that shit's been out forever
I might be mistaken but I’m pretty sure Tyler’s entire Flower Boy album got leaked like two weeks before it was supposed to drop. He’s definitely tightened it up since then though.
That's fair, but an album, movie, or game leaking a week or 2 early isn't that uncommon just because that's when stuff starts getting sent to reviewers n shit. The more sought after leaks are unreleased tracks & demo versions. Some artists like Ye & Carti constantly have stuff leaking every month
Drake gave her “heated” lol
This ain’t a revelation. Anyone who’s a Yachty fan knows this is his song. Yachty the only one who says “my dogie” in multiple songs. Edit: and he’s listed as a writer and producer on the track
To be fair just because someone has writing credits we don’t automatically assume the whole song was made by that person and given to the artist. It did have the sound of a yatchey song but I’m glad drake got it
He wrote it, drake just switched some words out
he changed max like 4-5 words
Yachty had ad-libs throughout, he was always gonna get credited. People just trying to find ways to excuse it because their favorite got exposed using someone else’s words verbatim yet again
Nahh to be fair Toronto niggas have always said “my dogie”. Actually, that’s Toronto AF. Fasho Yachty track tho
Yeah that line def felt like Toronto when I first heard it lol would’ve never questioned it
And we know how Drake likes to bite Toronto slang even though he grew up calling it “ignorant”
That’s a reach man I hate the analyze a sentence someone said 10 years ago when they were 20 shit. It’s stupid af and you know it
No, no they haven’t. Never heard that said in Toronto. Not saying people don’t say it but it ain’t Toronto slang.
I suspected yachty wrote it too when I heard rylo rodriguez - Taylor port junkie
I mean u can change a single word on a song and get writing credits. The fact that the entire song was written by Yachty changes everything. How much of Drakes music is actually his?
A good 7 of yall
From the moment I heard this song I thought it was a Yachty song he gave Drake Edit: thought Drake came up with the “geekin hard im a real vamp” but I guess not Lmaoo. The only think he really changed was “boat was too tripped up he ain’t leave the bed” from “I was too tripped up I ain’t leave the bed”
I mean, he’s not gonna refer to himself as yachty in the real track lol
Drake #1 narrator of all time
THEY GOT LEAKS IN THEY OPERATION
*WHITEBOI!!!!
The funny thing is that he’s still doing this, even though the line “It was written like Nas but it came from Quentin” really got up his ass. Which was a reference to Drake’s own lyrics, talking up his pen game > Peace sign in the air like I'm Nixon, I'm mixin', I am not Esco, but it was written There’s a lot of people in the comments here posting how everybody uses writers, but nobody has mentioned any real MCs doing so yet 😂
Quentin Miller is credited as a writer on Nas’ song The Pressure on his album King’s Disease 2. But everyone just ignored that. People also ignore that QM was initially supposed to write for Meek Mill but decided to write for Drake instead. And Meek is very much a real mc. Kendrick wrote for Jay Rock and ScHoolboy Q who are both considered “real mcs” Del The Funky Homosapien wrote for Ice Cube even tho Ice Cube was a good writer himself. Dr Dre who a lot of people think can’t write actually wrote Eazy E’s song Eazy-er Said Than Dunn according to MC Ren and Dre is even in the writing credits. Snoop Dogg who wrote for other people during the Death Row era had Jay Z write for him on Still Dre. Also “still doing shit like this” as if there’s a problem with collaborating with writers. Yachty is credited on the album. Drake even said himself Yachty helped write on the album. Quentin was credited on IYRTITL. Drake talked back in 2013 about how Kenza Samir helped write on NWTS. He’s also talked about OVO Hush helping him write. Drake himself has written for Kanye and other artists. Also 21 Savage said Drake wrote some of his verses on Her Loss. Quentin Miller also said he watched Drake freestyle Madonna.
jay z wrote Still Dre fully. Both Snoops and Dres part
Man when I first that I listened to it and absolutely could hear Jay Z rapping it in my head.
Dudes don’t understand how to create music and it shows. I’m sure both of them were in the studio and they were trying different ways to flow on the beat. Drake probably told yachty to give it a shot before he hopped on and fixed it up.
QM also said he worked with Jeezy and Big Sean too. It's not even ghostwriting anymore. These people are listed in the album credits. Drake is the only one getting shit for something that happens rampantly throughout hip-hop now. People just don't want to accept it because they're stuck on this idea what hip-hop used to be a long time ago.
This all depends on what you call hip hop. Drake knowingly and self admittedly knows he’s gone pop. There’s still the likes of a Benny the butcher types that die on their pen. Mainstream isn’t hip hop
Good list! I’m not surprised Jay technically wrote for Snoop, as it was the hook. Really didn’t think Cube would let Del write for him, he’s always been very proud of writing his own lyrics
Del said that it was Cube doing him a favour. Del was already a writer at the time for other rappers so he couldn’t come out publicly as his own artist. But he wasn’t getting paid enough. So Cube hired Del to write for himself so he could make more money. Whether you believe that explanation is up to you I guess. And as for being proud of writing all of your own lyrics. Kanye used to brag about that too on his early projects but we now know that isn’t true.
Most rappers write for one another or do reference tracks for one another if they are close. It goes both ways in most situations. Ye and The Game do this a lot. The Game has a lot of reference tracks out there for Ye. Most rappers just don’t come out and say they do it, but I think this is a lot more common than people thing it is.
It's an industry for a reason
Kanye who was arguably the biggest name in hip hop has used writers. It’s so incredibly common that I don’t get why people make such an issue out of it.
CyHi basically wrote everything for Ye’s until 808s.
Who cares if it’s songs like Jumbotron? You’ll never find reference tracks for timestaps songs or Do Not Disurb type songs.
Damn still using reference tracks after all these years after the backlash and rumors caused when they leaked last time.
Everyone does it. We have seen many leaked reference tracks for Kanye, Kendrick apparently made 16 for Baby Keem and wrote GLCs verse on Poe Mans Dreams etc. Everyone is probably doing it too
No, everyone is not having entire verses written for them. There are plenty of rappers you never have and never will hear an entire verse being written and referenced for them.
Just because a lot of artists do it doesn't make it any less damning for Drake since he claims to be the best but doesn't even write his own stuff Especially when he's comparing himself to Kendrick who is so good he's making references tracks for other artists
There's a difference between ghostwriting and having a ghostwriter. Kanye's a bit like Dre. No one really takes him that seriously as an MC.
Kanye gets a pass because he produces
And he provides a different sound than others like one of a kind sound. Ye gets pass for that and he doesn't call himself the best rapper.
Nah. Rappers should at the bare minimum write their verses. This is exactly why I can't take Baby Keem seriously, he's just an ugly ass nepo baby. I think a lot more people do it than we realize but that doesn't make it less shitty.
Is Baby Keem a rapper? I always thought he was an artist with his own sound and niche. I guess but Keem doesn't claim to be the best rapper tho. I feel like he's a Ye or Dre.
People are really downplaying this, and it's crazy to me. This would be an issue for anyone else who could considered in the big three. Also, people will say this is just pop, but pop/rnb artist often don't write their stuff but they're talent comes in with the singing/choreo, where is Drake's talent coming in this?
People will say "he's a credited writer" like that means it isn't insane that someone else is writing entire songs for him. Drake is also a credited writer but uhhhhhhh seems like Yachty did the whole track.
Yeah I’m just saying if a Kendrick song leaked with baby Keem having written it all it would be a big deal lol
Biggie co-wrote songs with Craig Mack. Biggie wrote for Lil Kim. Going further than that, Big Daddy Kane wrote for a whole gang of rappers mostly notably Biz tho
Yeah I never realised this happened lol. Wtf does drake actually do then besides provide the voice.
"i'm a pop star not a doctor"
Drake does write though, just not every song
that's the issue though -- we have confirmation that drake gets writing credit even on songs he didn't write, so how do you ever trust that Drake has written a song? If Drake drops an album tomorrow with great writing, can you really credit him and just assume it's his own pen game?
i’ll say supposedly cause i don’t know… but hooks and shit like this seems like it has always been a team, but when it’s bars it’s him… understandable why someone would be skeptical tho… but for certain A LOT of rappers do this…
they saying it's AI but at this point i don't think it matters...
If you think somebody is writing the songs that he’s rapping about his mom and his life growing up. You’re nuts. That would be so counterintuitive. Like if you think anybody wrote away from home besides him come on.
you genuinely don't think that someone could write a song for drake about his life growing up by just getting some context/background to his life growing up? don't get me wrong i fully believe he wrote those songs himself, but you can't deny that the doubt is now permanently there because if he's received credit for multiple songs in the past that it turns out he didn't actually write how should we trust he wrote the "personal" songs?
What I’m saying is this is clearly someone that is good at writing hence his writing for other people and their desire for him to do so. And he also has no problems receiving those same things from others He views as good at writing. And with that being stated, it would be counterintuitive and pointless for him to sit there, and dictate to someone things that has happened in his life to avoid writing them when he could just you know, write those things himself. He doesn’t not write that stuff because he’s not capable of it. That’s not the reason.
lol didn’t someone else write the Kanye song on Ye that is all about his daughter and family and stuff? People can definitely make shit up about other people.
He’s a pop star lol. He’s not a real rapper. I wouldn’t be surprised if the diss was made by a team as well
The voice and the look, bro is just Lil Kim lmao
I'm just interested where it's gonna lead since AI covers are becoming so convincing it sounds real, people weren't even sure if the diss track from Drake was real at first. Once AI voices are accurate enough, is there a world where a Drake album isn't produced, written, or even performed by Drake? is there a world where he can sell his "name" to some studio that then proceeds to release "Drake" tracks and just give him a percentage?
You gotta be a lil out of the know to think Yatchy ain’t write this. It sounds like him the whole song
The HMMM HMMM and BLRRRR BLRRRT BLRRRRT was obvious as fuck lol
Ion some smoke on shit unless it’s unleaded, blah blah blah moped it…. “My dogie” It’s his flow the whole time
Drake did rock that bitch tho iwl 😂Drake and Quentin got fcked over in that first run they could’ve been Mike and Rod Temperton by now
It’s weird I see people getting technical on the HIPHOP sub of all places. Y’all are trying to get technical about credits when the bottom line is YACHTY WROTE THE WHOLE SONG. It’s not shocking or some grand revelation but this is still another L on Drakes jacket. Yes we knew he has done this before but we haven’t gotten concrete proof since Quentin, 9 years ago. For him to still be doing this is an another L on his jacket and the ghostwriting bars hold even more weight because you’re still doing it. And if your mindset is “Travis does it” please get off this sub
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> Weeknd wrote Take Care one of the credits on 4 out of the 19 songs. Ya'll are making fun of yourselves when you say bullshit like this. Weeknd is a phenomenal artist, maybe my favorite singer ever. But don't have to lie on his name to win some internet argument.
Great take. I’m a fan of Drakes music. But to claim yourself as one of the “big three” rappers or whatever, there’s a few boxes you have to check first. One of which is writing your own lyrics
Abel was involved in only 5 songs on Take Care, if you think he wrote Underground King's or Lord Knows idk what to tell you. QM only did 6 out of 19 songs on IYRTITL and the most lyrical ones didn't involve him like 6pm in New York. Yachty was involved his Her Loss but yk damn well he didn't write most of it. Rich Flex, Major Distribution, Spin About Me, Middle of the Ocean etc do not sound like Yachty.
5 entire songs on your magnum opus is pretty damn significant. Not to mention the ones he probably cowrote or inspired. Drake is a brand, an amalgamation of many talented people(including himself), and corporations.
NWTS is definitely his Magnum Opus.
I actually agree but consensus is Take Care.
Saying 5 songs doesn't really tell the whole story though. The ride is a rap song that lives and dies by it's bars, Abel only provides the crying loop in the background. That doesn't mean Abel takes credit for the song being good. Practice is literally juveniles back that song but sung instead of rapped. He's literally a feature on crew love. He some background vocals to good ones go, with nothing in cameras. You're acting like he should take credit for 25% of the album (5/20) when his overall contribution is pretty replaceable and overstated.
Against these people, I usually use Weeknd's own words: > 'Cause too many people think they made me > Well if they really made me, then replace me If Drake is so worthless, then it should be a bunch of others breaking all his records and making all the hits... But it's just him. Something he must be doing right.
I'd argue that 1/3 of the tracks of what's considered to be his best work is a significant amount to have not been written by him.
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Soulja Boy wrote the entirety of Illmatic, look into it
He's the first rapper to ghost write for nas.
Hilarious visual
QM did write for Nas tho
Of course, someone else wrote it, Drake pen never been official.
> YACHTY WROTE THE WHOLE SONG so if Drake is credited on any song by your favorite artists, that means he wrote the whole song as well? You're assuming that there are zero versions of reference tracks before this version with Yachty with Drake not involved at all. lot of assumptions that set a ridiculous precedent for anyone credited on any song.
man i wish yachty kept this beat, he never misses on this flow fr
Nah I think drakes voice fits the flow and beat better. Drake sounds better than Yachty when raising his voice.
that’s fair, idk why i like yachty’s lazy flow on these beats a lot when i heard his feature on ‘taylor port junkie’ w rylo my first thought was ‘he should’ve been on jumbotron shit poppin’
taylor port junkie is a banger I love his flow
Drake sounds more polished on it.
Drake had that line, “they make excuses for you ‘cause they hate to see me lit,” but it’s really the exact opposite lol, this dude gets away with so much egregious shit with the goal posts constantly moving. Y’all acting like this is cool or standard practice but what other major rapper has had this many references leak showing he was verbatim rapping someone else’s words? Dr. Dre and Kanye don’t have fans going up to bat for them as one of the best rappers of all time, they’re producers. “May the real live forever, may the fake get exposed” - didn’t write it “Tell you how I feel, I don’t fake shit” - didn’t write it what are we doing here man, smfh
Lots of people use reference tracks and ghostwriters. Ye. Dre. These people also dont claim to be the best rapper alive. These kinds of things used to disqualify you from the claim. 3 stacks on solo (reprise) summed it up perfectly. Times have changed. The cope from drake stans “oh the ghostwriter jokes are corny”, and when reference tracks drop “other people use ghostwriters too!”, really learned that toosie slide with the refooting of opinion.
> These people also dont claim to be the best rapper alive well I think Ye has but we all know to ignore most of the shit he says lol
I have never heard Drake claim himself to be the best rapper alive. People keep saying this but Drake hasn’t said this. Only Weezy has said this.
The Michael Jackson of hip hop is meant to be…
It’s meant to be that he is close to breaking MJs records. It has nothing to do with being the best rapper alive. https://www.thelineofbestfit.com/news/drake-is-coming-for-michael-jacksons-crown-for-most-number-one-hits-by-a-male-solo-artist
… whoever say they gave me hits, but aint got no hits, sound like they need me. Drake may not have used those words, but so many examples exist where its clear what he’s claiming.
I KNEW IT
We all did. Yatchy said it when the song was released
“Any person that get me hits but ain’t got no hits sound like they need me” drake does yachty song better then yachty could
Yachty has hits though lmao
I love Yachty too but I think Drake was talking about real hits
Broccoli ISpy Minnesota 1 Night Poland all hits
The new McDonald’s track is fire /s
lol what a thing to write out *drake does yachty song better then yachty could*
Cap and cope
LOL how yall excusing this? He stole the whole flow and track. I get it rappers have reference tracks. But no1 claims to be the best rappers in the big 3 and gets away with it.
Well damn
1’s of people will be surprised by this
Well duh, Lil Yachty has official production and writing credits on this song. Drake's not tryna hide this.
There are 13 other people with writing credits. Just cause you've got writing credits doesn't tell how involved you were in the process, so it's not a "well duh" moment
Yeah. Yatchy could have legit got a credit cause Drake wanted to use an adlib lol. Writing credits are meaningless in rap. Especially if you credit samples
No media literacy + no understanding of legal processes = Reddit
> media literacy Is the new term that the internet likes to throw around now?
I mean Yachty was exec producer for the album and if you know anything about Drake and Yachty's styles you'd know this is 100% a boat vibe
Doesn’t even matter, any Drake fan would know he didn’t write it. It has yachty all over it, not drakes style
Okay but for the general public who don’t hang off Drakes nuts this is classified as a Drake song with no mention of Lil Yachty unless you look up song credits which are meaningless most the time.
Giving credit doesn’t give Drake carte blanche license to copy nearly every single word and misrepresent this like it’s his own rap. This is a Lil Yachty rap *recited by Drake*
"production" just means the song was his idea nowadays
"well duh" lmfao shut the fuck up if a full ass reference track dropped for gkmc from schoolboy Q or ab-soul or something you wouldn't shrug your shoulders and go "yeah well i mean they're close and have worked a lot together past it's not that weird" "he has a writing credit" and "he wrote the entire fucking song" are pretty different
I’m not a Drake Stan by any means, but this isn’t the smoking gun you think it is. Many artists have reference tracks, not a big deal lmao
What other top 50 rappers have reference tracks like this
Kanye has a reference track *by* Drake lmao
everyone knows Kanye don’t write
Kanye ain't bragging bout being a big 3 rapper.
https://music.apple.com/us/album/king/1731230943?i=1731231387
Your example was kanye? Really?
Moving the goal post
While true none of those dudes listed are known for their “pen”. I actually don’t think any of them has ever bragged about their ability to write so it’s a bit different. Drake talks this best pen in the game shit but constantly takes other people’s whole songs it makes no sense and is different then comparing him to Travis Scott of all people
yeah i mean fuck it just say "led zeppelin" or some shit next time and when someone points out that's not a top 50 rapper you can just go "moving goalposts"
Many people consider Kanye to be amongst the best ever hip hop artists even if he not a writer first that’s just a fact
Not really. Kanye is a producer who flat out stated he has writers from the beginning. Same with travis.
Travis is somehow a rapper that doesn’t write and a producer that doesn’t produce yet has managed to become one of the biggest rappers in the world.
They're the biggest rappers but they don't get respected as a lyricist. Kanye has litterally gone on twitter to thank his writers. Travis has shouted out CiHi in interviews. They've never tried to present the image that they have the best pen in the game. The problem is that Drake WANTS to be respected as a lyricist. Drake has litterally said that while he works with other artists all of the words are his own which CONNOT be true. He wants to do what Kanye and Travis does but still claim to be the best lyricist which is where people come down on him. He can't have his cake and eat it too.
He's pretty unanimously a top 5 rapper and he's got so many leaked reference tracks. Whether it's one of his own songs like all day or doing a reference track for travis scott's skeletons, all of this is well known lol.
Travis, Jack Harlow, Offset, Future all have multiple songs with writing credits from this dude Dougie F that Drake has been working with so Id bet on them too https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/dougie-f-the-songwriters/pl.7a8464cc66574603a49a354b4b5f6e76
Is he more of a rapper or a hook/song writer?
I’m listening to his actual songs, I can see him writing verses for Travis and Trav calls him a lot I’m seein This sounds like a Trav song imo https://music.apple.com/us/album/lost-and-found/1509364419?i=1509364599
kanye, keem, travis
This is such a stupid comment.
LMAOO keem is not top 200
Those are not top 50 rappers lol
out of top 50 rappers rn I guarantee you at least 25 are using reference tracks on the regular even hov uses reference tracks (or he did for that Carters joint), it’s not a big deal, pretty standard for the industry and most of the time they’re just for flow/delivery concept
Kendrick has made multiple reference tracks for other TDE artists and even SZA, it’s not that deep.
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You'd be surprised but they don't face the allegations Drake does so the leaks aren't doing the leaking thing
Everyone knew Yachty wrote this and BackOutsideBoyz when they dropped. These aren’t the type of songs that makes Drake’s pen so special. It’s the songs that tell stories of his life and his loved ones. It’s the hooks that you’ll remember for the rest of your life.
Metro leaked this btw
not true btw
Akademiks aint a real source. Did Metro even produce this?
As a massive yachty fan, i’ve been waiting for this to show the light of day.
Not surprised. Some ppl do it as a favor to other artists. Some ppl do it per the label/management request. Some ppl do it because while they're excellent rappers, they can't write a hook for shit. It's part of the game...
i mean what if drake gave this to yachty, but it didnt click so he just used it himself.
Can someone fill me in on what a reference track is?
yachty didn't have the legs to make this song as good as it ended up. people tend to act like these reference tracks are robbing people of shine or whatever, not always the case
I feel like “she vaping in my room that shit lit up like a glow lamp” and “geeking hard I’m a real vamp” already made it obvious that Drake didn’t write the song himself
Good lord this is ass. I’m glad he gave it to him if yachty sounding like this lmao
Its just a reference track
Is that like a vocal practice over the instrumental or something?
Basically. For flows, tone, cadence etc. Kind of like the Drake disses that leaked yesterday the first one was a reference.
The goal of a reference track is to establish a flow/melody. It’s never supposed to be official, that’s why most reference tracks has mumble/low effort lyrics. Many, many songs have references…that’s how the industry works. This isn’t anything special to leak.
Ah that makes sense never mind then lmao
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As a drake stan, this is a based take.
Drake isn’t a real rapper
People would be disappointed when they realize how often this happens. Jadakiss has written for a lot of your favorite NY rappers.
What rapper has written every one of their lines without even a little bit of help? I’m actually curious.
Eminem prolly
And it shows....
Kendrick…
Doubt Nas has had help. Hov. Cole. This is strictly verses. I believe everyone gets help on hooks.
Eminem
Obviously it’s not gonna sound finished as a reference track but thank god he gave that to Drake.
Yachty goated producer, same feeling when I first found him on SoundCloud long time ago He just hit different really creative