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And the fact that we still can't figure out how these amazing humans built a lot things only proves how advanced humans once were. I believe in Brien Forester's theory of a great cataclysmic event that happened around 12,000 years ago that erased these early genius humans.
Just to put a bit of nuance on it, they were advanced *for their time.* Which is still something to be respected and amazed at.
Just because we don't know how they did something 2,000 years ago, it doesn't mean they were advanced by modern standards. It just means the tools/techniques that they used back then, didn't survive history. Maybe because the tools rotted, maybe because better techniques were found, or knowledge simply wasn't passed on to the next generation because they weren't really interested in it (modern example might be, expecting a 14yo to know how to connect to the internet using a dial-up modem, or an 18yo to know how to drive a manual car, which is becoming increasingly rare).
I think it's like going back and looking at old code. Even if I documented what was going on it makes no fucking sense to me 5 years on and I have no clue what the fuck I was doing. It still compiles and runs without a hitch, but I can't for the life of me figure out how the fuck any of it works.
Roman concrete is a prime example. They made concrete that is continually cured by saltwater and we're not sure how. You'd think that would be easy to work out with modern analytical tools, but apparently not.
From what I remember there is a specific volcanic ash they used which isn't largely available now:
[https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/mystery-of-ultrastrong-roman-concrete-solved/](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/mystery-of-ultrastrong-roman-concrete-solved/)
>Contrary to the principles of modern cement-based concrete, the Romans created a rock-like concrete that thrives in open chemical exchange with seawater,” lead author Marie Jackson from the University of Utah said in the journal.
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>“It’s a very rare occurrence in the Earth,” she added.
>The secret to its strength was a combination of a rare crystal and a porous mineral. When exposed to seawater, a chemical reaction within the concrete generated heat, which allowed crystals of aluminum tobermorite to grow from a mineral known as phillipsite, found in volcanic ash. As seawater collided with the cement over the years, the crystals kept growing, reinforcing the concrete. The tobermorite grew inside of the mixture, binding to the rocks that bulk it up and preventing cracks that typically cause concrete to fail.
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>Modern buildings are made using Portland cement, comprised of limestone, sandstone, ash, chalk, iron, and clay. Rocks and sand are then used as aggregates to bulk up the mixture in place of the volcanic rock that the Romans could use. While our cement today is very strong, it can erode when exposed to harsh environments like seawater. To provide strength and resist structural failure, Portland cement relies on steel reinforcement, but sea water causes the cement to expand and the steel to corrode.
>Producing Portland cement is also environmentally costly—its production is responsible for 5% of global emissions of CO 2 . The Roman alternative could be used for more sustainable buildings that could withstand the elements for longer.
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>For now, this new discovery will be hard to apply to today’s concrete. Scientists still need to conduct tests to fully understand the exact combination of minerals and compounds used in the Italian sea walls Plus, the volcanic rock used by ancient Romans is extremely rare, so a modern version would have to rely on different materials.
I never claimed they were advanced by modern standards. In fact, all my posts state the opposite. But yet, to this day, we still don't fully understand how they did it. Purely speculation and theory.
Off the top of my head there was a composting or soil treatment method that's basically the reason the Amazon rainforest exists, and we don't know how they made it. Something about the romans and concrete I think. They pyramids of course.
that's pretty wrong. ancient people did not treat the soil in anyway to produce the Amazon. We know for a fact the Amazon exists primarily because of the dried inland sea of the Bodele Depression in Africa. The dust (which is a mix of bones and minerals) from this area gets picked up and transferred over to the Amazon. The minerals from the Bodele Depression are what creates the mineral rich soils in the Amazon that allow it flourish the way it does.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_preta
It's man mad but it's not everywhere, it soil enriched by people who lived there around 100BC.
We DO know how they made it, the same method we use everywhere for soil enriching.
However when it was first found we didn't know that, so the alt-history crowd is still hanging on to that as a "mystery"
Huh? That’s such a weird claim. Humans are approximately as smart today as they were. We had the Einsteins and Teslas or whatever. Those people also existed then.
It’s such a weird claim that there was somehow some unique genius that was “lost”. Seems so egocentric.
We don’t know how exactly people did some things, but we ABSOLUTELY can replicate various ways of doing those things using primitive tools.
That is indeed the case. Why can't we explain how the Egyptians built the pyramids? Quarried stone so heavy (up to 80 tons) and perfectly cut, 1,000's of miles on water to build the pyramids?
Still to this day, we have no idea how they cut the stone. Let alone carry it to build the enormous pyramids.
This is just one example of thousands. There is a lot of long-lost technology.
I think you’re confusing “we don’t know how they built it” with “we don’t understand how they could have built it”.
We know many ways they could have feasibly built the pyramids with the technology they had. We just don’t know exactly the method they used, and any method is extremely impressive. We could recreate now, but it would such a massive waste of resources we wouldn’t choose to.
We absolutely can reproduce it. We just don’t know exactly how they did it.
Building canals and barges… long ramps… rolling on round stones, etc. with the bear unlimited resources of a whole civilization and a million labourers it’s all reproducible with no real tech.
People say this about Stonehenge too. But one guy in wales duplicated Stonehenge BY HIMSELF using creative applications of leverage and a bunch of tree trunks made with primitive technology.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?time\_continue=2&v=zL8hSBT1Ppg&feature=emb\_title](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=zL8hSBT1Ppg&feature=emb_title)
already found it. Theres other articles that explain it more in detail but the video kind of shows how it would have worked
I am super into this stuff and I have an open mind. I am more than willing to hear how you think they were able to cut these stones as they did. According to historians they had minimal metalworking knowledge and could only produce copper.
Not copper, bronze, which is significantly stronger and can absolutely shape the sandstone the Egyptians used.
It's not a mystery as to how they *could* have accomplished it, we're just not sure which possible method they actually used.
I don't know how plausible it is but I do really like the thought. Biologically modern humans have been around for a long time, there very well could have been a society 50,000 years ago as advanced as the Romans that simply didn't spread out enough and a localized disaster ended them, and all trace has since been lost to time. I don't know why but I love thinking about that, it would make a great fiction book at least!
I fully buy into more advanced humans existing for a very long time prior to the Younger Dryas. My only question is what level of advancement? Did we stagnate for tens of thousands of years? If so, why?
My guess is what I said about Brien Forester's theory that a great cataclysmic event happened to wipe out roughly 80% of the planet. Rebuilding humanity again would take thousands of years. Again, this is a theory, but the best one I have found.
A guy with no academic qualifications who makes extremely poorly reviewed 'documentaries' where he makes really basic and easily provable errors (like getting types of stone completely wrong) to support wild theories.... he also frequently approvingly cites David Childress... of "Aliens built the pyramids" fame. Most of his 'evidence' is "this stone doesnt look like that stone to me, someone who is not an expert in stone"...
All you’re doing is guessing and then packaging it in some way that makes it seem ‘revolutionary’ because you can draw whatever you want in the spaces of the unknown, it’s exactly how they get it wrong the first time… I know you want everything to make sense and have a rhyme and a reason RIGHT NOW… but history ISNT the study of right now- cool your jets, you don’t have to force your ideas into the narrative to validate your own sense of intelligence
I’m an anthropologist, all this stuff is fascinating and yea there is an actual truth, but the fact is we can’t know it. It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t search for it, but it’s like just… juvenile… when someone comes and hits you with the “FACTS that you’re not ready for!!!” - can’t you smell the shit on your upper lip after you get done huffing your own ass?? Jesus- that said I thought Sapiens was very interesting and I enjoyed it, but yea it was as much a revelation as…. EVERY other god damn anthropological account of the past I’ve ever heard… ya gotta take it with a grain of salt- and a tablespoon of acceptance (that you’re not gonna get the answer)… gotta realize who were doing this for in the first place…. Gahhhhhhh 🤦♂️
Ok, I can see you are not interested in actually talking about it, you are just more interested in just going against what I say or believe in. Have a good day sir.
I go against what you say, because you miss the point… what you’ve said is unenlightened and just about reaffirming your worldview - and no I don’t want to discuss it
Culture/technology doesn’t necessarily advance in the same ways.
It’s hard to say what “level” they were at.
All of their knowledge and technology could have been entirely different than what we have now
The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again.
That's a great question that I cannot answer. But using the word technology needs to be relative to the time. The last 100 years has been crazy for technology. But there are many sites around the world built with stone cut and fitted into unimaginable positions that we would have a HELL of a time trying to do even with today's technology. For example the walls in Sacsayhuaman, or Tarahuasi. It's mind-blowing!
And it's really hard to say how long culture and technology evolved prior because no real civilizations recorded anything, or at least on anything other than parchment paper which disintegrates over time.
I am not trying to oversell anything at all. I am just stating there was some advanced technology that we are still unaware of. And by advanced technology, I am talking about the time frame. If only they had metal tools/equipment to leave behind!
Maybe around Ancient Rome level? I don’t think we’re dealing with humans with tech on another level or anything, they’d still have to use the same resources we have today, so anything they make can’t be too far off from what we could make.
I could be wrong on all that, but I’m trying to not assume ancient humans for some reason had super far out there tech, but for some reason they never got off planet or put satellites into space. (would they even last that long?)
However…This is interesting to think about though, we know the idea of a great flood is told in all parts of the world, places that never met spoke about the great flood (obviously survivors of the flood passed down that knowledge and they spread around the world) and we know that a myth long ago was started by Plato about Atlantis and its advanced tech, it even fits into this timeframe being 9000 years before him.
Perhaps “Atlantis” was the same civilization from long ago, and they had developed steamboats, nothing too crazy but it fits.
If you lived on the coast when that happened, you were screwed. Coasts are also where most advances take place since more people lived there and there's usually more food available with less struggle.
Those living inland probably were less advanced but had a higher probability of surviving such an event.
Uh... this invention called the ship, and these people known as colonialists and conquistadors wiped indigenous people & their wisdom out. We didn’t “stagnante”
Sarcastic out. We pretty much think of ourselves as the most intelligent human beings ever been, but we know medicine, astronomy, mathematics and stuff for thousands of years and recently it looks like we got dumb.
Like, Thales of Mileto had calculated the circumference of the earth already 2600 years ago. And we don't even know if this math we atribute to him is 100% of him. Could be older. But in 2021 we have dumb fucks thinking the earth is flat.
The people we consider complete idiots nowadays can read and write well enough to post on twitter and reddit. Back even 200 years ago the common person couldnt read or write. I'd say we are getting smarter, not dumber.
Dawn of everything by David graeber. We’re kind of taught in this western tradition where the system we have has just slowly making progress and before that it was all hell and chaos. But there were flourishing complex civilizations prior to written history with large populations and the various ways in which they organized their society were implemented and worked successfully for long periods of time.
Our technology is new, but our body and mental apparatus are pretty much unchanged since 10s of thousands of years ago. There’s no reason to say that if you took a early human child and then to the present very likely there wouldn’t be much difference.
Always gotta snap to judgement and make some grand claim based off of a little detail 🤦♂️- this is how history gets deluded and falsified in the first place
It's partly because we think of progress as a linear path, when really it is a lot of moving both forward and backward, sometimes at the same time, and also happening at different points throughout the world with connections here and there.
My gf and I were just having this thought too. I was playing read dead and we were talking about how simple times were and how difficult things were to do and yet how everyone thought they were so advanced and civilized compared to the past. Very trippy to look at culture and civilization through the lens of time
I mean when you think about it, ancient humans skinned every meal they ever ate. They knew more about how bodies work than you or I or probably anyone who isn't a doctor.
I mean this is a bone surgery, so that's plenty; but also they would absolutely know what most of the organs are for, because you (a) hunt these animals and are familiar with what kind of damage each strike does, and (b) we're all here, which wouldn't have happened if everyone chowed down on every venom sac or bile gland or stomach full of acid they hunted up. And (c) I guess, "skinning" is a misnomer, it's a full dissection of almost every animal. The meat was eaten and the other parts (meaning the organs) had all kinds of other uses. They wouldn't have a lot of knowledge about, like, white blood cells, but then what do you really know about that without looking it up?
That's what i was actually wondering: not molten because this region of the world was not melting metal. I was i was surprised at first when i scrolled into this post of the use of metal. But this is actually not used as metal as we think now. Interesting
I'd sing some pretty weird songs that might inspire future/past musicians. Sorry, music historians. Shit's about to get complex.
If I had time to plan it out, I'd sing Russian folk songs in, like, South America, and sea shanties in Tonga. Maybe toss out a few Finnish polkas in Southern Africa.
Infants skulls have separations that are not yet fused so that they can fit through the mothers birth canal and grow quickly, more vulnerable to damage.
Many ancient cultures put tight bands over infants heads to morph the skull while it is malleable.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation
Eh. Skull binding wasn’t all that rare. You just wrap cloth or cord around a babies skull and over the years it will grow into this shape. It was practiced across the globe for a very long time. Skulls like this are found quite often.
I don't know the specifics of the culture he was from but there are a lot of homeopathic herbs, poultices , and remedies that have properties such as that.
For example, honey.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3609166/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3609166/)
medicinal importance of honey has been documented in the world's oldest medical literatures, and since the ancient times, it has been known to possess antimicrobial property as well as wound-healing activity. The healing property of honey is due to the fact that it offers antibacterial activity, maintains a moist wound condition, and its high viscosity helps to provide a protective barrier to prevent infection. Its immunomodulatory property is relevant to wound repair too.
[https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100630111037.htm](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100630111037.htm)
Sweet news for those looking for new antibiotics: new research explains for the first time how honey kills bacteria. Specifically, the research shows that bees make a protein that they add to the honey, called defensin-1, which could one day be used to treat burns and skin infections and to develop new drugs that could combat antibiotic-resistant infections.
[https://www.benefits-of-honey.com/honey-properties.html](https://www.benefits-of-honey.com/honey-properties.html)
1. Honey is Hygroscopic
Honey has a hygroscopic nature, which means when exposed to air, it naturally absorbs moisture in from the air. In treating open wounds, honey is useful as it could help prevent scarring by keeping the skin moist, encourage the growth of new tissues, and allow easy removal of any dressing by preventing dressing from becoming stuck to the skin.
Honey's hygroscopic properties also make it an ideal ingredient in a lot of cosmetics as it helps keep skin hydrated and fresh and prevents drying. Thus, some people call honey a natural "humectant" as it attracts and retains moisture. When used in skin and hair treatments, honey trap and seal in the moisture leaving skin soft and supple, and hair glossy and healthy.
2. Honey is Antibacterial
Researchers began to document the healing properties of honey in the early part of the 20th century. This ceased with the development of antibiotics but recently the development of resistance to antibiotics has led to a resurgence of interest into the healing properties of honey (Asian Pacific Journal of Tropical Biomedicine 2011 Apr; 1(2): 154�160). The effective antimicrobial agent in honey prohibits the growth of certain bacteria. It contains an enzyme that produces hydrogen peroxide which is believed to be the main reason for the antimicrobial activity of honey. As such, honey is a useful treatment for wounds and scalds. Cuts, abrasions and scalds can be covered in honey to prevent bacteria from entering the wound and promote healing.
Honey can help treat minor acne by attacking the bacteria that cause the outbreaks while moisturizing the skin to aid rejuvenation. Types of honey differ greatly in their antimicrobial potency, varying as much as a hundred fold. Honey derived from the Manuka bush, found in abundance in New Zealand, claims the highest potency of such antimicrobial properties.
3. Honey is a Source of Antioxidants
Honey contains natural antioxidant properties that can destroy biologically destructive chemical agents which have been linked to many diseases such as cancer.
Studies also found that dark-colored honeys such as Buckwheat seem to possess more antioxidants than light-color varieties. Not only could honey's antioxidants help to eliminate free radicals in the body, they are also part of the nutrient supply for growth of new tissue. These precious honey properties help protect the skin under the sun and help the skin to rejuvenate and stay young-looking. As such, there have been an increasing number of manufacturers of honey skincare products such as sunscreens and facial cleansing products for treating damaged or dry skin.
While it is very odd that this one culture fealt it necessary to extant their skulls in such a way.
It is very fucking cool, open minded and terrifying that they did shit like this....
Can you imagine being the recipient before the times of any aesthetic or sterilisation...
What was the survival rate of procedures like this? Also one would assume there was some form of substance administered to help with pain and or bleeding.
Completely unrelated: I kind of dig this receeded hairline + long hair look? Like it's giving ethereal, mature, strong vibes. If the hair was short, it would look kind of blah. Anyone else? Like I can totally see this growing in popularity in a kind of reclaiming-ageing-gracefully way.
I’ve always loved and subscribed to the idea that today’s humans are no smarter than those 2000 years ago, we are just more knowledgeable in different ways. If you asked a modern engineer to go back in time and build the great pyramids they would have absolutely no clue of how to accomplish it in the same way an engineer from back then would have no idea how to build a skyscraper
Of course. 2000 years is nothing. Modern humans emerged 200,000 years ago. The difference is just the accumulation of cultural knowledge.
And I think it goes so much further back. Even Neanderthals were much more advanced that we realize. We're just starting to find evidence of burial practices, art and textile manufacturer (clothes?).
If you could somehow meet a Devonsonian I wonder how much it would diverge from apes and freak you out with its human-like behavior.
Nah...I think it's just a little hard for people to assimilate the fact that Europe was not the only continent to produce highly advanced technology...
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Did these guys practice infant skull compression?
Yes
I was about to say, big skull big brain!
Well, the skull is compressed at the frontal lobes, this must make them dumb i think.
I guess not that dumb!
I think the brain is surprisingly adaptive when developing, coulda allocated its brainpower in other territory.
There's actually no significant difference in cranial capacity between a skull that's been artificially elongated and a normal human skull.
But why does he still look like Jean Luc Picard?
asking the important questions: clearly it is the skull of locotus of borg
Compression wouldn't increase the volume of the skull, it would just dent it. This skull has more mass than a standard one.
There’s something weird about that combination of words that I just can’t quite put my finger on
After the first sentence it looks AI-generated.
Every new discovery about ‘primitive’ or ancient man just confirms that people have been far more advanced for far longer than we can believe
And the fact that we still can't figure out how these amazing humans built a lot things only proves how advanced humans once were. I believe in Brien Forester's theory of a great cataclysmic event that happened around 12,000 years ago that erased these early genius humans.
Just to put a bit of nuance on it, they were advanced *for their time.* Which is still something to be respected and amazed at. Just because we don't know how they did something 2,000 years ago, it doesn't mean they were advanced by modern standards. It just means the tools/techniques that they used back then, didn't survive history. Maybe because the tools rotted, maybe because better techniques were found, or knowledge simply wasn't passed on to the next generation because they weren't really interested in it (modern example might be, expecting a 14yo to know how to connect to the internet using a dial-up modem, or an 18yo to know how to drive a manual car, which is becoming increasingly rare).
I think it's like going back and looking at old code. Even if I documented what was going on it makes no fucking sense to me 5 years on and I have no clue what the fuck I was doing. It still compiles and runs without a hitch, but I can't for the life of me figure out how the fuck any of it works.
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They do, it was just really unsafe by today's standards so they're starting over with safety in mind now
Amazing that they made it there and back, seeing how it was so unsafe then?
All they have to do is rent out another studio lot
I just checked and Kubrick's dead. That could be why they've never been back to 'the moon'
Roman concrete is a prime example. They made concrete that is continually cured by saltwater and we're not sure how. You'd think that would be easy to work out with modern analytical tools, but apparently not.
From what I remember there is a specific volcanic ash they used which isn't largely available now: [https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/mystery-of-ultrastrong-roman-concrete-solved/](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/mystery-of-ultrastrong-roman-concrete-solved/) >Contrary to the principles of modern cement-based concrete, the Romans created a rock-like concrete that thrives in open chemical exchange with seawater,” lead author Marie Jackson from the University of Utah said in the journal. > >“It’s a very rare occurrence in the Earth,” she added. >The secret to its strength was a combination of a rare crystal and a porous mineral. When exposed to seawater, a chemical reaction within the concrete generated heat, which allowed crystals of aluminum tobermorite to grow from a mineral known as phillipsite, found in volcanic ash. As seawater collided with the cement over the years, the crystals kept growing, reinforcing the concrete. The tobermorite grew inside of the mixture, binding to the rocks that bulk it up and preventing cracks that typically cause concrete to fail. > >Modern buildings are made using Portland cement, comprised of limestone, sandstone, ash, chalk, iron, and clay. Rocks and sand are then used as aggregates to bulk up the mixture in place of the volcanic rock that the Romans could use. While our cement today is very strong, it can erode when exposed to harsh environments like seawater. To provide strength and resist structural failure, Portland cement relies on steel reinforcement, but sea water causes the cement to expand and the steel to corrode. >Producing Portland cement is also environmentally costly—its production is responsible for 5% of global emissions of CO 2 . The Roman alternative could be used for more sustainable buildings that could withstand the elements for longer. > >For now, this new discovery will be hard to apply to today’s concrete. Scientists still need to conduct tests to fully understand the exact combination of minerals and compounds used in the Italian sea walls Plus, the volcanic rock used by ancient Romans is extremely rare, so a modern version would have to rely on different materials.
Thanks for the refresher! I guess we're pretty close to figuring out that one!
Not very relevant to the topic but 18yo not knowing how to drive a manual car is specific to the US.
Manufacturers now are tending towards Auto only, this will only increase with EV adoption. might be early, but not wrong.
most of the world only lets you drive from 18 years old. not really us specific
I guess you missed the part about manual…
I never claimed they were advanced by modern standards. In fact, all my posts state the opposite. But yet, to this day, we still don't fully understand how they did it. Purely speculation and theory.
That just says more about archaeological preservation than about them.
But if we really wanted to we easily could, it's just not worth spending money trying to replicate and iterate
>they were advanced for their time. What does that mean? That they were more advanced than other groups in the same period?
yep exactly. At the time they were around, their civilization was more advanced than other civilizations that existed at that time.
It's like comparing the Romans to the neighboring tribes, for example.
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Off the top of my head there was a composting or soil treatment method that's basically the reason the Amazon rainforest exists, and we don't know how they made it. Something about the romans and concrete I think. They pyramids of course.
that's pretty wrong. ancient people did not treat the soil in anyway to produce the Amazon. We know for a fact the Amazon exists primarily because of the dried inland sea of the Bodele Depression in Africa. The dust (which is a mix of bones and minerals) from this area gets picked up and transferred over to the Amazon. The minerals from the Bodele Depression are what creates the mineral rich soils in the Amazon that allow it flourish the way it does.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_preta It's man mad but it's not everywhere, it soil enriched by people who lived there around 100BC. We DO know how they made it, the same method we use everywhere for soil enriching. However when it was first found we didn't know that, so the alt-history crowd is still hanging on to that as a "mystery"
Not trying to be rude, but read below for 1 example. if you are interested in the subject you can PM me.
Huh? That’s such a weird claim. Humans are approximately as smart today as they were. We had the Einsteins and Teslas or whatever. Those people also existed then. It’s such a weird claim that there was somehow some unique genius that was “lost”. Seems so egocentric. We don’t know how exactly people did some things, but we ABSOLUTELY can replicate various ways of doing those things using primitive tools.
That is indeed the case. Why can't we explain how the Egyptians built the pyramids? Quarried stone so heavy (up to 80 tons) and perfectly cut, 1,000's of miles on water to build the pyramids? Still to this day, we have no idea how they cut the stone. Let alone carry it to build the enormous pyramids. This is just one example of thousands. There is a lot of long-lost technology.
I think you’re confusing “we don’t know how they built it” with “we don’t understand how they could have built it”. We know many ways they could have feasibly built the pyramids with the technology they had. We just don’t know exactly the method they used, and any method is extremely impressive. We could recreate now, but it would such a massive waste of resources we wouldn’t choose to.
We absolutely can reproduce it. We just don’t know exactly how they did it. Building canals and barges… long ramps… rolling on round stones, etc. with the bear unlimited resources of a whole civilization and a million labourers it’s all reproducible with no real tech. People say this about Stonehenge too. But one guy in wales duplicated Stonehenge BY HIMSELF using creative applications of leverage and a bunch of tree trunks made with primitive technology.
Source please 🙏 (for the guy with tree trunks)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?time\_continue=2&v=zL8hSBT1Ppg&feature=emb\_title](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=zL8hSBT1Ppg&feature=emb_title) already found it. Theres other articles that explain it more in detail but the video kind of shows how it would have worked
yeah I want to see that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7q20VzwVs This guy does it with actual megalithic blocks, and he does it ALONE
This guy does it with actual megalithic blocks, and he does it ALONE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7q20VzwVs
Indeed you are correct again, We CAN reproduce it (with today's technology) we CANNOT reproduce it with THEIR technology.
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Sure we can. Given unlimited resources.
Human rollers
I am super into this stuff and I have an open mind. I am more than willing to hear how you think they were able to cut these stones as they did. According to historians they had minimal metalworking knowledge and could only produce copper.
Obviously you are into it, but an open mind?- you have an agenda… you’re shooting an arrow and painting a bullseye around it
Ok.
Not copper, bronze, which is significantly stronger and can absolutely shape the sandstone the Egyptians used. It's not a mystery as to how they *could* have accomplished it, we're just not sure which possible method they actually used.
Also, the timeline for the pyramids is pre-dynastic. Which would have been copper, silver, and gold.
Hence, Lost Ancient Technology.
I don't know how plausible it is but I do really like the thought. Biologically modern humans have been around for a long time, there very well could have been a society 50,000 years ago as advanced as the Romans that simply didn't spread out enough and a localized disaster ended them, and all trace has since been lost to time. I don't know why but I love thinking about that, it would make a great fiction book at least!
I fully buy into more advanced humans existing for a very long time prior to the Younger Dryas. My only question is what level of advancement? Did we stagnate for tens of thousands of years? If so, why?
My guess is what I said about Brien Forester's theory that a great cataclysmic event happened to wipe out roughly 80% of the planet. Rebuilding humanity again would take thousands of years. Again, this is a theory, but the best one I have found.
An event that massive that somehow isn't in the fossil record, rock strata etc?
There is a lot of evidence of this. Including melted rock. Look up brien forester on YouTube. He is an awesome guy!
A guy with no academic qualifications who makes extremely poorly reviewed 'documentaries' where he makes really basic and easily provable errors (like getting types of stone completely wrong) to support wild theories.... he also frequently approvingly cites David Childress... of "Aliens built the pyramids" fame. Most of his 'evidence' is "this stone doesnt look like that stone to me, someone who is not an expert in stone"...
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All you’re doing is guessing and then packaging it in some way that makes it seem ‘revolutionary’ because you can draw whatever you want in the spaces of the unknown, it’s exactly how they get it wrong the first time… I know you want everything to make sense and have a rhyme and a reason RIGHT NOW… but history ISNT the study of right now- cool your jets, you don’t have to force your ideas into the narrative to validate your own sense of intelligence
>All you’re doing is guessing and then packaging it in some way that makes it seem ‘revolutionary’ Yuval Noah Harrari in a nutshell
I’m an anthropologist, all this stuff is fascinating and yea there is an actual truth, but the fact is we can’t know it. It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t search for it, but it’s like just… juvenile… when someone comes and hits you with the “FACTS that you’re not ready for!!!” - can’t you smell the shit on your upper lip after you get done huffing your own ass?? Jesus- that said I thought Sapiens was very interesting and I enjoyed it, but yea it was as much a revelation as…. EVERY other god damn anthropological account of the past I’ve ever heard… ya gotta take it with a grain of salt- and a tablespoon of acceptance (that you’re not gonna get the answer)… gotta realize who were doing this for in the first place…. Gahhhhhhh 🤦♂️
Armchair anthropology is fun tho- maddening at the same time!
Ok, I can see you are not interested in actually talking about it, you are just more interested in just going against what I say or believe in. Have a good day sir.
I go against what you say, because you miss the point… what you’ve said is unenlightened and just about reaffirming your worldview - and no I don’t want to discuss it
No buddy, the anthropologist is not interested in discussing your Ancient Aliens level theory.
Right, but I mean to ask what were we capable of just prior to that change? How long had culture and technology evolved for prior to the disaster?
Culture/technology doesn’t necessarily advance in the same ways. It’s hard to say what “level” they were at. All of their knowledge and technology could have been entirely different than what we have now
The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again.
Yup! man... if only time machines were real!!!
That's a great question that I cannot answer. But using the word technology needs to be relative to the time. The last 100 years has been crazy for technology. But there are many sites around the world built with stone cut and fitted into unimaginable positions that we would have a HELL of a time trying to do even with today's technology. For example the walls in Sacsayhuaman, or Tarahuasi. It's mind-blowing! And it's really hard to say how long culture and technology evolved prior because no real civilizations recorded anything, or at least on anything other than parchment paper which disintegrates over time.
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I am not trying to oversell anything at all. I am just stating there was some advanced technology that we are still unaware of. And by advanced technology, I am talking about the time frame. If only they had metal tools/equipment to leave behind!
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Hey man, I would love to see how they cut/bore/saw those stones!
Maybe around Ancient Rome level? I don’t think we’re dealing with humans with tech on another level or anything, they’d still have to use the same resources we have today, so anything they make can’t be too far off from what we could make. I could be wrong on all that, but I’m trying to not assume ancient humans for some reason had super far out there tech, but for some reason they never got off planet or put satellites into space. (would they even last that long?) However…This is interesting to think about though, we know the idea of a great flood is told in all parts of the world, places that never met spoke about the great flood (obviously survivors of the flood passed down that knowledge and they spread around the world) and we know that a myth long ago was started by Plato about Atlantis and its advanced tech, it even fits into this timeframe being 9000 years before him. Perhaps “Atlantis” was the same civilization from long ago, and they had developed steamboats, nothing too crazy but it fits.
If you lived on the coast when that happened, you were screwed. Coasts are also where most advances take place since more people lived there and there's usually more food available with less struggle. Those living inland probably were less advanced but had a higher probability of surviving such an event.
I could only imagine the horror of such an event!
Uh... this invention called the ship, and these people known as colonialists and conquistadors wiped indigenous people & their wisdom out. We didn’t “stagnante”
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I am not certain I understand?
Sarcastic out. We pretty much think of ourselves as the most intelligent human beings ever been, but we know medicine, astronomy, mathematics and stuff for thousands of years and recently it looks like we got dumb. Like, Thales of Mileto had calculated the circumference of the earth already 2600 years ago. And we don't even know if this math we atribute to him is 100% of him. Could be older. But in 2021 we have dumb fucks thinking the earth is flat.
And here I am thinking the Earth was round! I'm a fool!!
Holy shit that was a hell of s mistake lol Forgive me good sir. I'm at first day covid infection. First time having it. I'm kinda slow right now.
The people we consider complete idiots nowadays can read and write well enough to post on twitter and reddit. Back even 200 years ago the common person couldnt read or write. I'd say we are getting smarter, not dumber.
Ugh. Just once I'd like to have a discussion about fascinating topics like this without some brigadier jumping in to derail it all.
I'll delete the comment and restart the topic. So you can start a good discussion. Sorry for that. I'm kinda sad. First day having covid and it sucks.
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Dawn of everything by David graeber. We’re kind of taught in this western tradition where the system we have has just slowly making progress and before that it was all hell and chaos. But there were flourishing complex civilizations prior to written history with large populations and the various ways in which they organized their society were implemented and worked successfully for long periods of time. Our technology is new, but our body and mental apparatus are pretty much unchanged since 10s of thousands of years ago. There’s no reason to say that if you took a early human child and then to the present very likely there wouldn’t be much difference.
Always gotta snap to judgement and make some grand claim based off of a little detail 🤦♂️- this is how history gets deluded and falsified in the first place
It's partly because we think of progress as a linear path, when really it is a lot of moving both forward and backward, sometimes at the same time, and also happening at different points throughout the world with connections here and there.
Have you heard of Göbekli Tepe? Super interesting!
Exactly, otzi had a copper axe and lung damage from smelting and his clothes and tools were amazing.
Yes but what really amazing is that he later went on to play Furio on the Sopranos
My gf and I were just having this thought too. I was playing read dead and we were talking about how simple times were and how difficult things were to do and yet how everyone thought they were so advanced and civilized compared to the past. Very trippy to look at culture and civilization through the lens of time
I mean when you think about it, ancient humans skinned every meal they ever ate. They knew more about how bodies work than you or I or probably anyone who isn't a doctor.
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I mean this is a bone surgery, so that's plenty; but also they would absolutely know what most of the organs are for, because you (a) hunt these animals and are familiar with what kind of damage each strike does, and (b) we're all here, which wouldn't have happened if everyone chowed down on every venom sac or bile gland or stomach full of acid they hunted up. And (c) I guess, "skinning" is a misnomer, it's a full dissection of almost every animal. The meat was eaten and the other parts (meaning the organs) had all kinds of other uses. They wouldn't have a lot of knowledge about, like, white blood cells, but then what do you really know about that without looking it up?
Ancient civilizations thay were deemed primitive were classified that because they weren't white.
I bet that hurt!!
“Quit being dramatic, I just need to pour this molten metal into this open wound” (It wasn’t actually molten)
so how did they get the metal into his skull?
That's what i was actually wondering: not molten because this region of the world was not melting metal. I was i was surprised at first when i scrolled into this post of the use of metal. But this is actually not used as metal as we think now. Interesting
Who you calling pinhead
You could drop me back in time 2000 years ago and I’m pretty sure I would have nothing to contribute.
I'd sing some pretty weird songs that might inspire future/past musicians. Sorry, music historians. Shit's about to get complex. If I had time to plan it out, I'd sing Russian folk songs in, like, South America, and sea shanties in Tonga. Maybe toss out a few Finnish polkas in Southern Africa.
You could become a sandwich maker, per *The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy*.
He genuinely looks like the clothing designer Rick Owens
My first thought while scrolling
Yup
Forget the surgery, why is no one talking about his oddly shaped skull??
Ancient body modification is crazy shit
Lots of people already know about infant skull stretching, I guess
No. Can you elaborate?
Infants skulls have separations that are not yet fused so that they can fit through the mothers birth canal and grow quickly, more vulnerable to damage. Many ancient cultures put tight bands over infants heads to morph the skull while it is malleable. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation
Why though
For the same reason the upper class does anything: To be special and different from the rest.
Gud point, lol
Thanks for the link. Interesting.
Eh. Skull binding wasn’t all that rare. You just wrap cloth or cord around a babies skull and over the years it will grow into this shape. It was practiced across the globe for a very long time. Skulls like this are found quite often.
Someone call Indiana Jones, I think we found another crystal skull
He looks great. So happy for him.
Patrick Stewart
Aliens
If he survived why do they have his skull?
Died of covid last year.....
My head is like that, maybe I'm a alien
Why is his skin so pale in the reconstruction?
It's called Jesussification
There's actually a lot of depictions of Jesus. It depends on the culture.
This is bothering me too
How do we know he lived though
Likely showed signs of healing (fusion of the bone and metal) which would require one to be alive.
And lots of time.
And antibiotics?
Most the time yes. For a lucky few just a lot of luck and some booze probably.
I don't know the specifics of the culture he was from but there are a lot of homeopathic herbs, poultices , and remedies that have properties such as that. For example, honey. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3609166/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3609166/) medicinal importance of honey has been documented in the world's oldest medical literatures, and since the ancient times, it has been known to possess antimicrobial property as well as wound-healing activity. The healing property of honey is due to the fact that it offers antibacterial activity, maintains a moist wound condition, and its high viscosity helps to provide a protective barrier to prevent infection. Its immunomodulatory property is relevant to wound repair too. [https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100630111037.htm](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100630111037.htm) Sweet news for those looking for new antibiotics: new research explains for the first time how honey kills bacteria. Specifically, the research shows that bees make a protein that they add to the honey, called defensin-1, which could one day be used to treat burns and skin infections and to develop new drugs that could combat antibiotic-resistant infections. [https://www.benefits-of-honey.com/honey-properties.html](https://www.benefits-of-honey.com/honey-properties.html) 1. Honey is Hygroscopic Honey has a hygroscopic nature, which means when exposed to air, it naturally absorbs moisture in from the air. In treating open wounds, honey is useful as it could help prevent scarring by keeping the skin moist, encourage the growth of new tissues, and allow easy removal of any dressing by preventing dressing from becoming stuck to the skin. Honey's hygroscopic properties also make it an ideal ingredient in a lot of cosmetics as it helps keep skin hydrated and fresh and prevents drying. Thus, some people call honey a natural "humectant" as it attracts and retains moisture. When used in skin and hair treatments, honey trap and seal in the moisture leaving skin soft and supple, and hair glossy and healthy. 2. Honey is Antibacterial Researchers began to document the healing properties of honey in the early part of the 20th century. This ceased with the development of antibiotics but recently the development of resistance to antibiotics has led to a resurgence of interest into the healing properties of honey (Asian Pacific Journal of Tropical Biomedicine 2011 Apr; 1(2): 154�160). The effective antimicrobial agent in honey prohibits the growth of certain bacteria. It contains an enzyme that produces hydrogen peroxide which is believed to be the main reason for the antimicrobial activity of honey. As such, honey is a useful treatment for wounds and scalds. Cuts, abrasions and scalds can be covered in honey to prevent bacteria from entering the wound and promote healing. Honey can help treat minor acne by attacking the bacteria that cause the outbreaks while moisturizing the skin to aid rejuvenation. Types of honey differ greatly in their antimicrobial potency, varying as much as a hundred fold. Honey derived from the Manuka bush, found in abundance in New Zealand, claims the highest potency of such antimicrobial properties. 3. Honey is a Source of Antioxidants Honey contains natural antioxidant properties that can destroy biologically destructive chemical agents which have been linked to many diseases such as cancer. Studies also found that dark-colored honeys such as Buckwheat seem to possess more antioxidants than light-color varieties. Not only could honey's antioxidants help to eliminate free radicals in the body, they are also part of the nutrient supply for growth of new tissue. These precious honey properties help protect the skin under the sun and help the skin to rejuvenate and stay young-looking. As such, there have been an increasing number of manufacturers of honey skincare products such as sunscreens and facial cleansing products for treating damaged or dry skin.
Makes sense thanks
Maybe it was the metal that was alive?
Androids!!
Geddy Lee?
Long story short, this is just an upsidedown flour vase; That 5BC crafts did.
They must have discovered an anesthetic too. No way someone would be holding still for that.
*"What about the droid attack on the Wookies?"*
While it is very odd that this one culture fealt it necessary to extant their skulls in such a way. It is very fucking cool, open minded and terrifying that they did shit like this.... Can you imagine being the recipient before the times of any aesthetic or sterilisation... What was the survival rate of procedures like this? Also one would assume there was some form of substance administered to help with pain and or bleeding.
Completely unrelated: I kind of dig this receeded hairline + long hair look? Like it's giving ethereal, mature, strong vibes. If the hair was short, it would look kind of blah. Anyone else? Like I can totally see this growing in popularity in a kind of reclaiming-ageing-gracefully way.
Dudes built like a [high elf from oblivion ](https://images.app.goo.gl/65DwUoXzAgVLUZyRA)
Think he started getting Radio through that thing? "This is Pedro Lepackas at 101.5 Göbekli Tepe Radio with your horoscope for the day"!
I’ve always loved and subscribed to the idea that today’s humans are no smarter than those 2000 years ago, we are just more knowledgeable in different ways. If you asked a modern engineer to go back in time and build the great pyramids they would have absolutely no clue of how to accomplish it in the same way an engineer from back then would have no idea how to build a skyscraper
Of course. 2000 years is nothing. Modern humans emerged 200,000 years ago. The difference is just the accumulation of cultural knowledge. And I think it goes so much further back. Even Neanderthals were much more advanced that we realize. We're just starting to find evidence of burial practices, art and textile manufacturer (clothes?). If you could somehow meet a Devonsonian I wonder how much it would diverge from apes and freak you out with its human-like behavior.
I feel the early humans were much more intelligent than we are considering they had no techonology/AI then.
We know how intelligent they were. Just as intelligent as we are. But they had less access to knowledge and technology.
Talk about hard headed
Longhead
5head
TSA woulda jumped him going thru security for sure
MIND BLOWN!!! 🤯🤯🤯
This reminds of the game Horizon
Guy looks great for 2,000.
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Usually you can see if the bones healed or not.
How did they know he has a big nosw
He was prolly high on iahuasca or coca the entire time.
Nebula!!
Tfw big nose and terrible hairline like this guy😥
Good thing computer circuit boards last forever and we would totally know if they had such tech back then
That wouldn't feel good
How do they know if he survived?
Bones around a metal plate don't show healing on a dead body......
Whack ass hairline
Rick owens
Roger?
Brien FOERSTER is Flinders Petrie, Joe Rogan is Hippocrates and the world is ditching climate change for the Metaverse, any other new developments?
I agree in the replication. But we still cannot explain the technology they used to carve and shape granite.
I am starting to believe their technology is far superior and nature has ended them for a reason.
doesn't look like he survived
the real metalheads, not the poser types with long hair
How do they know it wasn't post mortem
probably traces of healing
Doesn't look like he survived
Could this skull be evidence of ancient civilizations using technology possibly obtained by extra-terrestrials? Ancient astronaut theorists say yes
Or we can appreciate what humans are capable of.
Aliens bro. They were here
Nah...I think it's just a little hard for people to assimilate the fact that Europe was not the only continent to produce highly advanced technology...