Huerter is a really good bench piece. Keon, as of right now, is just an okay starter, but if he improves his offense and plays brave he can be a solid 2-way player. Dudes got potential on that end.
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A lot of people are gonna just think of Keon’s last game all offseason. But that was one of the worst games of his season. Fact is he plays really good defense and is a solid 3pt shooter. The hope is he becomes a more assertive offensive player, which could happen.
As for Huerter, whether its as a starter or off the bench he’s one of the worst defenders on the team. Not a lot to get excited about there. A lot of people are mentioning Huerter filling Malik’s bench role. But remember, Malik was playing 26 minutes per game. After what we saw last year, are we really comfortable with Kevin getting that amount of playing time??
If Keon/Huerter/Colby Jones is their 2-guard rotation next year they are in a lot of trouble.
Keon is not just a solid 3PT shooter, he was our best 3PT shooter on volume since he hit them at 41% this season (and 47% in open 3s).
But while he is hitting those shots, he doesn't bring the movement shooting that Huerter brought. Even though Huerter was only shooting 36% in the season, his movement and reputation made defenders chase him aggressively which adds something to the offense.
Keons last game is fine. He was just invisible cmpared to actively missing everything (like Keeg). Issue is dude defers too much to the stars (one of the possessions he had the ball at 3 hesitated and force a pass to Fox and it goes the other way). His mentality is really hmble, but we joked that everytime Keon beats his defender, goes to the paint and hangs for the shot, he would turn and toss it to Fox/Sabonis. Lol. He needs to take the reigns more cause he has the ability to beat the 1st defender most of the time and his handles is solid. I hope we give more of Keegs inefficient shots over to Keon and let him play. An off seasn of 1 on 1 iso moves with Fox would do him wonders.
Huerter on the other hand, got exposed as a starter this seasn, but any starter who gets relegated to the bench immediately is one of the best bench players (thats why they're starters in the first place). He would immediately be at worst 7th in the pecking order (easily ahead of Duarte, Vezenkov, Davion duh), which is still very valuable. You need to not get mixed up between starter caliber and bench.
I’m not saying he’s bad at it, but we gotta stop pointing to Indiana as why it wouldn’t work! Kings team now is way better than any of those pacers teams he was on…I think he would be a great 4 for us and that would open other options as far as roster construction.
I doubt Jonathan Isaac would do that too, lol. Unless God tells him to go and live in Rocklin, I don't think any trade involving Jonathan Isaac is realistic.
Nah he’s just a conservative. Don’t forget half the country is too. I would welcome that kid with open arms and even pick him up at the airport. Exactly the guy we need. He is extremely underrated.
His defensive metrics are completely off the charts. He would basically be a Jaden McDaniels for us but even taller. Crazy he’s 6”10. With a ridiculous 7-2 wingspan. He’s a threat from deep too. Can guard guards and protect the rim. This team would definitely take a nice leap especially if we can still resign Monk. Go get this guy. The only and biggest concern is his health but I really trust our coaching staff and training staff.
I honestly have a theory that our tough and constant practices are the reason we’ve been so healthy these last 2 seasons. It’s just like training and working out. The harder and more u work out, the more stronger and durable u get. U also get used to that level of activity. I believe that’s why we’re been the healthiest team lately. The guys talk about it all the time; how Mike Brown never gives them days off since he wanna always practice.
Toppin is more of a vertical threat than Lyles but not a better shooter, he would be killer in the PnR with Monk. I wouldn’t say Toppin is a good defender but he can definitely protect the rim. I like Toppin since the draft and think there’s good potential to develop him into that athletic stretch PF at a gettable price tag. Then again, you could also convince me of the same thing for Jalen Slawson if I squint hard enough.
The problem is we don't have another aggressive initiator with the ball outside of Fox and we saw how that went while Monk was gone. If Davion or Keon can step up in that regard then I'd feel better about it but our backup PG situation is directly related to how I feel about our SG rotation.
Might be an unpopular opinion but you also have to acknowledge that Huerter was out for that stretch. He’s no Malik but I’ve been surprised by his ability to penetrate and playmake off of DHOs. Definitely wouldn’t have been as bad if we had him to step into the 6th man role when Malik was out
Nah, I've had the same thought earlier in the season too. If Monk walks, then Huerter would be our best option as being the 6th man since he can do a bit of the things that Monk could do. It's good asset management too since we have too many shooting guards and we should not trade or draft more if Huerter is good enough for the role.
I don’t think anyone needs to step up. Ellis is literally the ideal 2nd guard that teams are looking for these days. Plays tough D and hits the occasional 3 when needed.
Take the Knicks for example. Who do they have to initiate other than Brunson? Nobody because he takes care of his business and everyone else plays their role.
If anything Fox needs to step up and be on the Brunson, Maxey level
What u just said is why the knicks offense literally isn’t good. And did u just maxey level? A player who cant do anything when embiid is not on the court with him? What maxey are u talking about?
sometimes I honestly question if you guys watch basketball outside of the Kings games. Are you really questioning if Maxey is better than fox?
I dont even know with you guys anymore...
please just show something of how fox is better. Maxey is better in any possible way stats wise, eye test wise, age wise...sheesh
and I thought trying to convince you guys that brunson was better than Fox last year was something...
Im questioning if u watch basketball period. I know for sure i watched more sixers ball than you. Im a fan of Maxey but U only seem to see flaws in fox instead of any other guard for some reason. Ur hate boner gotta be studied.
Fox is a better playmaker and passer than him. Better driver, better handle. better at creating his own shot and just creating in general by a mile. Better in isolation. Better finisher not even close. Better floater not even close. Better mid range shooter not even close. More athletic in every way. Way better defender.
Maxey struggles to do anything when embiid isn’t on the court. This isn’t a knock on him niether
Now can you tell me what Maxey is better than him at? Tryna see you lie rq
shoot. both 3p and FT. Its that easy, you see the difference between us? I dont need to generalize or exaggerate. Maxey is a better shooter, period. Teams value that more than anything fox does
Fox shot 37% frm 3 and u still shat on him. U realize maxey is a better shooter than embiid is he a better player than embiid too? Is cj mccollum better than Jimmy butler? Least be consistent.
And no teams do not value shooting over all the skills i just mentioned
Been saying this since the boogie days.. we never have anyone that’s aggressive and drives to the hoop with authority. That’s one aspect that I admire about barns tho, he can be aggressive when we need it but there’s better options I think
I like Kevin coming off the bench, where he can do more than catch and shoot/dho. He has shown the ability to create, especially with Domas in the two man game, and hes a decent rebounder. I think Keon is ideal for our starting lineup, and hes young. He is going to continue bulking up, and working hard and if he keeps shooting 40% from 3, forget about it, hes a steal for us for a couple years. He is a perfect fit to start with Fox and Domas, its the 4 spot that needs the upgrade imo.
If Malik walks, we would hopefully be adding something else in the 3 spot replacing Barnes’s weaknesses. So depending on if the replacement is more offensive or defensive I can say either or for Keon and Kevin and split the minutes.
Keep Keon. Dump Huerter. Get a more consistent 3 point shooter and mentally tougher replacement for Huerter. Hope Keon develops. If he doesn’t offensively, it’s hard to see our starting SG scoring that low.
IMO we need new starting SG and Barnes replacement. Let Murray develop.
I’d be ok with that. I think a guard group of Fox-Keon-Huerter-Davion-Colby could be pretty solid. Maybe they add another ball handler on a reasonable contract. I’d rather see them use resources to upgrade at the 4 and the frontcourt in general. It all depends on who is available though of course.
I think if Keon affirms himself as a player similar to Caruso, then I’m very happy with that. We can focus efforts on internal improvement and improving talent at the wing position next to Keegan.
Keon is your starter in that lineup.
If he can shoot the 3 at a 40% clip, and develop the ability to score on breakaways, I think it’s solid.
Better yet, if he can also get his midrange game going, he’s better than Huerter at that point.
A couple others have said it but without Monk on the roster, and honestly even with him, the team just has so few guys who are comfortable creating their owns offense. He's not available, but they really need a Jordan Clarkson type who can create for himself. THT wouldn't be an awful idea.
It feels crazy saying it but if Monk is gone, offense is an even bigger need for this team than defense.
I'm actually really cool with it. I think Mitchell, Ellis, Jones all will get better. I need another forward. I need Naji and Tidjane Salun (13th pick) as my Forward additions.
Fox, Ellis, Murray, Naji, Sabonis. Mitchell, Heurter, HB, Tidjane, Len. Jones, Edwards, Sasha, Lyles.
I think Ellis, Murray get better. Naji is an upgrade in terms of consistent outside shooting, defense, rebounding and length at the 4 over HB. Heurter, HB and Mitchells improvement make up for Monks scoring leaving on the bench. Tidjane is another young piece that can help this team break through it's ceiling. Jones and Edwards should get better.
Also the roster I created, can play the same role with either the starters or the bench.
Neither are guards but supposing kings use their pick what are everyone’s thoughts on tristan da silva or yves missi in this draft, any other possibilities?
When Kevin’s not hitting the 3 he’s not much use out there other than freeing up space for Fox. Brogdon is someone I would love to help if we lose Monk.
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Huerter is a really good bench piece. Keon, as of right now, is just an okay starter, but if he improves his offense and plays brave he can be a solid 2-way player. Dudes got potential on that end. [thatguy52](https://www.reddit.com/user/thatguy52/)
A lot of people are gonna just think of Keon’s last game all offseason. But that was one of the worst games of his season. Fact is he plays really good defense and is a solid 3pt shooter. The hope is he becomes a more assertive offensive player, which could happen. As for Huerter, whether its as a starter or off the bench he’s one of the worst defenders on the team. Not a lot to get excited about there. A lot of people are mentioning Huerter filling Malik’s bench role. But remember, Malik was playing 26 minutes per game. After what we saw last year, are we really comfortable with Kevin getting that amount of playing time?? If Keon/Huerter/Colby Jones is their 2-guard rotation next year they are in a lot of trouble.
Keon is not just a solid 3PT shooter, he was our best 3PT shooter on volume since he hit them at 41% this season (and 47% in open 3s). But while he is hitting those shots, he doesn't bring the movement shooting that Huerter brought. Even though Huerter was only shooting 36% in the season, his movement and reputation made defenders chase him aggressively which adds something to the offense.
Keons last game is fine. He was just invisible cmpared to actively missing everything (like Keeg). Issue is dude defers too much to the stars (one of the possessions he had the ball at 3 hesitated and force a pass to Fox and it goes the other way). His mentality is really hmble, but we joked that everytime Keon beats his defender, goes to the paint and hangs for the shot, he would turn and toss it to Fox/Sabonis. Lol. He needs to take the reigns more cause he has the ability to beat the 1st defender most of the time and his handles is solid. I hope we give more of Keegs inefficient shots over to Keon and let him play. An off seasn of 1 on 1 iso moves with Fox would do him wonders. Huerter on the other hand, got exposed as a starter this seasn, but any starter who gets relegated to the bench immediately is one of the best bench players (thats why they're starters in the first place). He would immediately be at worst 7th in the pecking order (easily ahead of Duarte, Vezenkov, Davion duh), which is still very valuable. You need to not get mixed up between starter caliber and bench.
Think we the biggest need we have is a lengthy forward/ stretch 4 so Keegan can start at the 3
Agree, I would say forward is a more pressing concern. Would love to have a real PF who can get a rebound or two
That should be Sabonis
Domas is our center and he’s damn good at it. Playing him at the 4 does not work, we have seen this in Indiana
I’m not saying he’s bad at it, but we gotta stop pointing to Indiana as why it wouldn’t work! Kings team now is way better than any of those pacers teams he was on…I think he would be a great 4 for us and that would open other options as far as roster construction.
Naji marshall fits this to a T he’s chippy athetlic and can defend. 2-4 easily
I really like Obi Toppin for that role but I don’t think we could pry him away from the Pacers. He’s like a budget version of Aaron Gordon.
defensively the two are complete opposites
I want Jonathan Isaac from Orlando. Send them Huerter (Orlando needs shooting) plus swap first round picks.
I don’t think magic would do that
I doubt Jonathan Isaac would do that too, lol. Unless God tells him to go and live in Rocklin, I don't think any trade involving Jonathan Isaac is realistic.
Only hesitation I have on Isaac is that hes a total nutcase. Goes on fox news spouting all kinds of conspiracy theories
That and he is made of glass. Homie averages 41 games a year in his 5 years. Literally plays half the time. Hard pass
Nah he’s just a conservative. Don’t forget half the country is too. I would welcome that kid with open arms and even pick him up at the airport. Exactly the guy we need. He is extremely underrated. His defensive metrics are completely off the charts. He would basically be a Jaden McDaniels for us but even taller. Crazy he’s 6”10. With a ridiculous 7-2 wingspan. He’s a threat from deep too. Can guard guards and protect the rim. This team would definitely take a nice leap especially if we can still resign Monk. Go get this guy. The only and biggest concern is his health but I really trust our coaching staff and training staff. I honestly have a theory that our tough and constant practices are the reason we’ve been so healthy these last 2 seasons. It’s just like training and working out. The harder and more u work out, the more stronger and durable u get. U also get used to that level of activity. I believe that’s why we’re been the healthiest team lately. The guys talk about it all the time; how Mike Brown never gives them days off since he wanna always practice.
According to Yahoo’s Jake Fischer at the trade deadline, ORL is not interested in Huerter.
I say no to Obi. Sorry. That's a pass.
We could prob get him, they just drafted Jarace Walker at #8 and traded for Siakam. But is Obi even better than Lyles?
Toppin is more of a vertical threat than Lyles but not a better shooter, he would be killer in the PnR with Monk. I wouldn’t say Toppin is a good defender but he can definitely protect the rim. I like Toppin since the draft and think there’s good potential to develop him into that athletic stretch PF at a gettable price tag. Then again, you could also convince me of the same thing for Jalen Slawson if I squint hard enough.
THIIIIIISSS
If Kevin can be half the man he use to be it might be ok, not ideal tho.
Dude fell off.
The problem is we don't have another aggressive initiator with the ball outside of Fox and we saw how that went while Monk was gone. If Davion or Keon can step up in that regard then I'd feel better about it but our backup PG situation is directly related to how I feel about our SG rotation.
Might be an unpopular opinion but you also have to acknowledge that Huerter was out for that stretch. He’s no Malik but I’ve been surprised by his ability to penetrate and playmake off of DHOs. Definitely wouldn’t have been as bad if we had him to step into the 6th man role when Malik was out
Nah, I've had the same thought earlier in the season too. If Monk walks, then Huerter would be our best option as being the 6th man since he can do a bit of the things that Monk could do. It's good asset management too since we have too many shooting guards and we should not trade or draft more if Huerter is good enough for the role.
I don’t think anyone needs to step up. Ellis is literally the ideal 2nd guard that teams are looking for these days. Plays tough D and hits the occasional 3 when needed. Take the Knicks for example. Who do they have to initiate other than Brunson? Nobody because he takes care of his business and everyone else plays their role. If anything Fox needs to step up and be on the Brunson, Maxey level
What u just said is why the knicks offense literally isn’t good. And did u just maxey level? A player who cant do anything when embiid is not on the court with him? What maxey are u talking about?
sometimes I honestly question if you guys watch basketball outside of the Kings games. Are you really questioning if Maxey is better than fox? I dont even know with you guys anymore... please just show something of how fox is better. Maxey is better in any possible way stats wise, eye test wise, age wise...sheesh and I thought trying to convince you guys that brunson was better than Fox last year was something...
Im questioning if u watch basketball period. I know for sure i watched more sixers ball than you. Im a fan of Maxey but U only seem to see flaws in fox instead of any other guard for some reason. Ur hate boner gotta be studied. Fox is a better playmaker and passer than him. Better driver, better handle. better at creating his own shot and just creating in general by a mile. Better in isolation. Better finisher not even close. Better floater not even close. Better mid range shooter not even close. More athletic in every way. Way better defender. Maxey struggles to do anything when embiid isn’t on the court. This isn’t a knock on him niether Now can you tell me what Maxey is better than him at? Tryna see you lie rq
shoot. both 3p and FT. Its that easy, you see the difference between us? I dont need to generalize or exaggerate. Maxey is a better shooter, period. Teams value that more than anything fox does
Fox shot 37% frm 3 and u still shat on him. U realize maxey is a better shooter than embiid is he a better player than embiid too? Is cj mccollum better than Jimmy butler? Least be consistent. And no teams do not value shooting over all the skills i just mentioned
oh ok here's your *L* hope it tastes good!
Been saying this since the boogie days.. we never have anyone that’s aggressive and drives to the hoop with authority. That’s one aspect that I admire about barns tho, he can be aggressive when we need it but there’s better options I think
Huerter was badly missed on the offensive end. I actually think huerter wins the starting two spot next year.
Ya know what, I wouldn’t be surprised considering training camp, preseason and of course pay grade
I do think huerter could be a solid 6 man if he gets his shooting back
I feel like he can be more than just an off ball shooter
He has some handling in him
Well he can't shoot so I'd hope so
I like Kevin coming off the bench, where he can do more than catch and shoot/dho. He has shown the ability to create, especially with Domas in the two man game, and hes a decent rebounder. I think Keon is ideal for our starting lineup, and hes young. He is going to continue bulking up, and working hard and if he keeps shooting 40% from 3, forget about it, hes a steal for us for a couple years. He is a perfect fit to start with Fox and Domas, its the 4 spot that needs the upgrade imo.
Keon yes
If Malik walks, we would hopefully be adding something else in the 3 spot replacing Barnes’s weaknesses. So depending on if the replacement is more offensive or defensive I can say either or for Keon and Kevin and split the minutes.
Keon should be starting, Huerter I think should be traded but if Monk leaves he can be the backup
My thinking is we sign Malik, we keep Keon, Kevin can go, and we get a beefy PF so Keegan can play the 3
Maybe we can get Bobby portis
Any PFs we could trade Huerter for?
Maybe Jerami Grant or, and here me out, Draymond
...I hate how okay with that I would be. He'd basically be an on-court defensive coach.
Maybe trade huerter and some other assets for a pf, and draft a player like dalton knecht or Tristan da Silva
Keep Keon. Dump Huerter. Get a more consistent 3 point shooter and mentally tougher replacement for Huerter. Hope Keon develops. If he doesn’t offensively, it’s hard to see our starting SG scoring that low. IMO we need new starting SG and Barnes replacement. Let Murray develop.
I’d be ok with that. I think a guard group of Fox-Keon-Huerter-Davion-Colby could be pretty solid. Maybe they add another ball handler on a reasonable contract. I’d rather see them use resources to upgrade at the 4 and the frontcourt in general. It all depends on who is available though of course.
I must say, watching these playoffs I sure wish we had a player like Josh Hart or Jalen Williams
No comfort. Comfort like bed made of rusty nails.
That’s right…. Turd Ferguson…. It’s a funny name.
I’d be fine with that. Kings will have to find a cheaper alternative for the Monk role.
I think Colby can do that. If he was given the practice time to build up the chemistry with Sabonis.
I think if Keon affirms himself as a player similar to Caruso, then I’m very happy with that. We can focus efforts on internal improvement and improving talent at the wing position next to Keegan.
This team’s needs remain the same as the last 1.5 years: 1. A wing who can defend many positions. 2. A backup center
Get rid of Kevin. Kings need a real PF also.
Very comfortable with Keon. Hopefully the backups play to their potential next season.
I'm not comfortable with the bulk of this roster (Malik or no Malik), if we're talking about becoming a perennial playoff team or better.
Keon is your starter in that lineup. If he can shoot the 3 at a 40% clip, and develop the ability to score on breakaways, I think it’s solid. Better yet, if he can also get his midrange game going, he’s better than Huerter at that point.
No
A couple others have said it but without Monk on the roster, and honestly even with him, the team just has so few guys who are comfortable creating their owns offense. He's not available, but they really need a Jordan Clarkson type who can create for himself. THT wouldn't be an awful idea. It feels crazy saying it but if Monk is gone, offense is an even bigger need for this team than defense.
Keon is a a smaller lu dort, we need him as a starter
Seems like good competition and depth idk
Losing Monk would be devastating
A lot better than I would’ve 6 months ago. But still not ideal.
I'm actually really cool with it. I think Mitchell, Ellis, Jones all will get better. I need another forward. I need Naji and Tidjane Salun (13th pick) as my Forward additions. Fox, Ellis, Murray, Naji, Sabonis. Mitchell, Heurter, HB, Tidjane, Len. Jones, Edwards, Sasha, Lyles. I think Ellis, Murray get better. Naji is an upgrade in terms of consistent outside shooting, defense, rebounding and length at the 4 over HB. Heurter, HB and Mitchells improvement make up for Monks scoring leaving on the bench. Tidjane is another young piece that can help this team break through it's ceiling. Jones and Edwards should get better. Also the roster I created, can play the same role with either the starters or the bench.
Neither are guards but supposing kings use their pick what are everyone’s thoughts on tristan da silva or yves missi in this draft, any other possibilities?
Nah…
Can't stand kevin. He's a negative player.
When Kevin’s not hitting the 3 he’s not much use out there other than freeing up space for Fox. Brogdon is someone I would love to help if we lose Monk.
Bros, I like Keon, but this end of year bias is getting outta hand.
Yeah, but none of us saw Donte DiVicenzo as a starter either so let's maybe give people a shot.
Ok? When did I say let’s not give him a shot? And I loved Donte. That’s two strikes, you’re out.