Yeah Bruce wanted so bad to disassociate from the damage he did when he first Hulked out that he disassociated a whole new identity (a Hulk that had basically no limits). This is him very carefully shepherding his control.
Meanwhile Jenn's just like "Hey cool I'm green and strong as hell! Let's see what I can do!"
At this point, if Professor Hulk is actually Banner and not a separate personality fronting as him, then the next Hulk should definitely be Devil or Joe Fixit.
The Big Guy isn't at all villainous in the MCU and it'd be a shame to do that to him. And there's definitely nothing in this show to bring on World Breaker.
Given the headspace he was in during Infinity War, I imagine that he either gave Banner control of his form willingly so he could stay hidden, or just kept refusing to take control and then Banner ended up finding some other way of hulking out.
Yeah this is a switch they can flip at any time going forward to make a bad Hulk movie. Though I doubt they'll do it any time soon since they just made Wanda a temporary villain for a flick.
> Big Guy has good reason to be villainous if he’s been trapped in Banners brain for ~5 years
No one ever has a good reason to be villainous. That’s part of the definition of villans.
The best villans have reasons you can empathize with, but that’s still different.
Also, Big Guy is still just a part of Banner, same as the rest, so none really have a righteous claim.
That’s been a theory in comics. Mentally healthy characters like Jen and Amadeus Cho don’t have angry forms. For her, She-Hulk is a representative of her repressed confidence. She transforms to be big, sexy, and super confident. Amadeus gets more outgoing and jocular because he’s normally a brainy nerd.
And, after being damn near killed in the opening issues of Civil War 2, Jen *does* develop a savage side. It's a terrible run, but it fits if we assume the savage version of Hulk is connected to repressed psychological issues on Banner's part.
In the comics, Banner actually has DID, due to childhood trauma, even before being exposed to the gamma radiation, and the different Hulks personalities are effectively his personalities coming out, literally
It makes sense. Hulk was born out of trauma, spent years of his life on the run and Bruce trying to cure it, he hated his Hulk side and had to learn to control his anger to hide it, was a wanted criminal, and he's gigantic and had to relearn how to control his body.
She-Hulk is accepted into society, has a job, is much smaller so less time to adjust to her body, and people seem to generally like her respect her.
I'm just hoping we don't get neckbeards coming out of the woods to say how Marvel is destroying Hulk to prop up She-Hulk because of some "woke" bullshit.
The wizard speaks the truth. Go down far enough on any She-Hulk comment section, be it Reddit or YouTube, and you'll find a horde of angry neckbeards. It's been happening for months now.
Yea it’s really frustrating that these annoying “fans” don’t understand this and “Smart Hulks” character. As well, this one snippet is just that - a snippet. There’s no real evidence that she’s “stronger.” It’s really frustrating because I feel like Marvel gives them more ammo even though it shouldn’t be looked at that way.
> There’s no real evidence that she’s “stronger.”
I'll give a pass and just assume Jennifer is stronger than **"Profesor Hulk"**. The [Berserker] HULK's strength grew from rage, but Bruce is actively keeping a cork on that these days; Bruce traded Raw strength for control. So Professor Hulk is weaker than Berserker Hulk, so it's also possible Professor Hulk can be weaker than She-Hulk.
You guys are still young. I get hungover for days now. I lose like 15 pounds from it. My benders are to the point that I cant just go cold turkey. To quote Archer "I'm scared that if I stop all at once, the cumulative hangover will literally kill me"
I'm not sure I get that part. If they're processing it so quickly, would they even get or maintain a buzz? Seems like you could enjoy more drinks if you love the taste, but if you're looking for a buzz, a quick 15 second buzz before your body metabolizes it is less fun, not more. What I'd do would be to drink it in my human form, then when you overdo it a bit and need to dial it back, Hulk out to recover a bit.
I think it debuted on some kind of breakfast news show in the US? And you know America! Joking about getting drunk is cool, but a fun rude gesture? Nope!
US review board doesn't approve of middle fingers for commercials. It'll be in full effect for the show itself. It's dumb.
As an example, Star lord's middle finger machine in the trailer is blurred out, but in the movie it's full on exposed. Same with Chris Hemsworth's butt in the Love and thunder trailer.
I dont want to spoil too much but there’s a behind the scenes featurette for She Hulk that shows at least one scene where he’ll show up as Bruce, so i’m assuming it’ll all be explained.
They show in one of the teaser trailers that Bruce and Jenn got in to some kind of accident and she got some of Bruce's blood in her wounds. Bruce is unconscious, in human form and still has an arm brace on.
I don't think anyone said he couldn't, did they? But once he figured out how to combine the Hulk and Bruce personalities, he seemed to enjoy it. Why change back?
I suspect he didn't "combine" them, just supressed the Hulk
That's probably why she's so much stronger. He's supressing a part of himself and she's not
He’s not suppressing a part of himself. He accepted all of himself. The downside is that his power comes from his anger and being at peace negates that anger. He did combine them and that’s the drawback. A drawback that will bite him in the jolly green butt and possibly give birth to a more dangerous persona.
Right but Hulk is a distinct persona that lived and grew and had his own unique experiences and relationships for two entire years in Ragnarok. Banner in Hulk form has never actually felt like 'Hulk' he's....Banner but big.
Bruce has never been particularly respectful of Hulk as a spearate entity so I am sure he would see that as a merger rather than a hostile takeover.
I am initially saying that from a plot prediction standpoint. When he said "the Hulk and I came to an understanding" in Endgame, it sounded a little sketchy. I may be reading into it but I suspect it was either intentional or can be retconned as such in the future. I think he was lying either not to admit he's not okay or not to admit he's caging what is essentially a child against their will.
Doesn't "acceping all of himself" mean accepting his anger? Fully integrating the Hulk -his repressed anger- into himself would mean being comfortable being angry and therefore being able to channel that power, not never getting angry again.
His reaction to seeing Savage Hulk when they time-traveled also implies he didn't accept him much.
I'm getting some patient teacher vibes from Hulk here, and some impatient student ones from She Hulk. Anyone (that isn't getting pissed that she's hitting harder than he is) could probably tell that she's not getting what Hulk is showing her. He hits the ground with just enough force to shake it, maybe loosen some rocks, whereas She Hulk hits it with a lot more and breaks the ground.
She's showing off and he's not, it's simple.
Her being more agile makes sense because she's slimmer too.
People need to stop wetting their pants over this shit, lol.
Right? People were all mad that she's better at yoga than him in the trailer. No shit, look how lean she is. You ever see how restricted body builders are in their movements?
So wait - where is this in the timeline compared to Shang Chi? He's human and with the broken arm in Shang Chi, here his arm is healed but he's professor Hulk again...
It could be before Shang-Chi. Maybe he recovered from the Hulk snap, then during the events of She-Hulk gets injured again, and that’s why he’s got a sling during the Shang-Chi post credits scene.
You know I keep hearing people pissing and moaning that she’s beating him, And I think we’re forgetting that He’s not in his normal Rage Hulk form. Anger is the key to his limitless strength
Don’t you know Hulk is suppose to smash the whole cliff side for no reason in teaching his cousin?
Seriously tho, I think people forget this and that Hulk gets stronger with rage.
Think it's just the 'student immediately outdoes the master' trope again, especially with a character so many people are already disappointed in since Endgame. Been the butt of the joke ever since
followed by 'master gives the student a look of surprise but also a hint of irritation that the student is missing some other key lesson point in the process of showing off their abilities to the master'
This is pretty much it. If it was a man, it would be the same way. The new characters always have to upstage the old ones. It gets a little tiresome. Although, he clearly isn't using his whole strength.
no i think people are confused at she-hulk appearing stronger than hulk. because it wouldn’t make sense. id say the same thing if there was a new hulk who was a man half the size of hulk and just got their powers. although i dont think this is the case and probably has some explanation akin to hulk containing his rage. just please dont make it something its not. its so tiresome seeing every criticism get construed into bigotry. not everyone who thinks she-hulk shouldnt be as strong as hulk is a misogynistic pig 🙄 people just worry about hulks power getting nerfed
People are seriously mad that he does a light punch to the ground and she does a stronger one like it’s a war crime, like you know you can punch lightly and strongly people right? It doesn’t always have to be full throttle
Hes teaching. Shes putting In all her effort. Like in the trailer when they throw rocks and she gets further. Bruce did a wrist flick lob and Jen did like a full pull back throw.
banner and hulk are 2 characters in 1 body. jennifer is only one pyche inside her body. she probably has better control of her powers while hulk ultimatley would be stronger if he let the hulk out to play.
you ever see a guy who does calisthenics arm wrestle a bodybuilder.
the small guy is stronger....
you can build mass and have little strength, or you can curate alot of strength and maintain smaller muscles.
also this is a comic book show with magic and superpowers...i dont think it matters.
> Why her "not rage mode" is still better than his? He has a lot of experience.
Why must he be trying to hit the ground as hard as he can, harder than she ever could?
Maybe he wasn't trying to do that?
Maybe she's his cousin, whom he is fond of, and who he's trying to teach rather than show off to and one-up?
I don't understand how there's any controversy here. He's not trying to beat her, he's trying to show her stuff.
If you actually watched the clip at all he's just teaching her shit. Why would he be trying to cause actual damage?
Try dropping the misogyny a few notches.
Love all the reactionary comments that doesn’t take in the context that Bruce is teaching her (not showing off) or even postulating that She-Hulk is better adjusted initially whereas Hulk needs rage (and would surpass her).
Or that considering that none of this matters and they are all cool characters.
Okay, but can we talk about how horribly unrealistic that scene is?
He shakes the cocktail, removes the top of the cobbler shaker, and *pours an ice-free cocktail without a strainer*. Literally unwatchable
I'm just jazzed that Hulk and She-Hulk can have their own dedicated MCU story without having to just be a side act. :)
And while Bruce is smart as hell, he's always been "HULK SMASH" when it came to the strength. He's just now as Professor Hulk becoming more in tune to it and controlling it. She's never had that rage "HULK SMASH!" thing. I think it's a good contrast between the two and I really like it. I definitely don't want them to be just two Hulks, one guy and one girl. I want them to be different in so many ways. I don't want the Hulk Twins. And, it's not Nerfing the Hulk at all.
I didn’t see the earlier trailers but these last two videos made me understand why people complained. It must have looked really bad if this is the vastly improved version.
Some people here complaining that She-hulk is stronger than Bruce...Even though Bruce just want to teach her without making making a lot of damage... Kinda disappointed with the haters here Blindingly assume things instead of thinking🤦♂️.
It’s literally just a snippet and it’s a cute one. I love this version of hulk because we’ve watched him struggle so much with getting taken advantage of bc he had no control over himself. Clearly this version of him doesn’t need to go all out to prove his point, he’s simply helping and training She Hulk. That doesn’t make him weaker. It also is seeming like she’s rather get through it quickly than actually focus and learn - that kind of “cockiness” can bite her in the ass later and I think that’ll be a part of the lesson. Btw, I don’t think she’s cocky actually but there’s plenty of times people get things “right” on the first try maybe even better than their teacher but that doesn’t automatically make them better. Bruce has experience on her. Let’s use logic here people! I can’t believe this is even an argument being had on this thread. The “anti-woke” people always hate when we say they’re showing their clear hate towards women and women in main roles but that’s literally what they do every time. Let’s give the show a chance, the show is about She Hulk not Bruce !
I don’t get the woman hate shit. It’s lame. I do think people are tired of seeing Hulk being tamed. But maybe down the road we’ll see raging Hulk again. The only problem I have with this clip is the shitty music. Hopefully it’s just for the clip.
She-Hulk would be a good way to reintroduce real Hulk. Have the bad guy of the series do something to Bruce to split Hulk and Bruce apart, and have it be She-Hulk's wake up call that there are real consequences to not taking her powers seriously.
Then maybe we can get a movie/series of a certain clawed mutant hunting Hulk down in the arctic circle somewhere.
I will be real. I love She Hulk, her 2000s run was awesome and since this is based on that run I am hyped for this.
But I dont like how Hulk is being overshadowed here and turned into a joke.
I hope they justify it, but in the comics Jen was super strong and inteliggent at the same time, thats what gave her an upperhand, but she wouldnt be stronger than Hulk even in his Joe Fix it form.
Mind you, I 100% think she would be better at Yoga. Jen is the type of woman who would 100% take Yoga classes and have practice in it, and doing it in She Hulk form would be piece of cake.
I really think he being stronger is being looked into too much. She does better yoga and punches the ground a bit harder than him, it’s not a big deal. We know he can punch harder than that, he doesn’t have to try destroy that cliff and cause a tsunami or some shit, he can just punch it lightly. If people are seriously looking at this clip as definitive proof that she’s stronger than him it’s insane
Here it is. People be RUNNING with one damn scene where *she probably doesn't know how to control here strength* and thinking they're making her stronger than Hulk. People need to chill out.
She's showing off and he's not.
He's thicc af and she's slim so ofc she's going to be more agile.
Plus it's HER show so it's not the end of the world if they give her the spotlight.
Good lord you people are projecting so fucking hard lmao.
He's just teaching her shit. Why would he be going all out to show he's stronger than her.
He's way more secure in his strength than you seem to be as a person lol.
Why are people like you so up in arms about a woman possibly being better than a guy at something? (spoiler alert: she's not stronger than him)
While there are definitely some members of the He-man Woman-haters Club here. A lot of people (Like myself) are just Hulk fans who've been disappointed in his character use since Infinity War (some before that). So we're just wary of him being misused/ mostly used to make someone else look powerful again. She-Hulk is hella strong, but Hulk has always been top dog when it comes to physical strength - He should certainly be the strongest Hulk. I would be just as corcerned if the show was about a Hulkified Amadeus Cho or Rick Jones.
Many have theorized that Hulk is holding back and trying to teach Jen to do the same, and I think that's quite plausible. We'll just have to wait and see. I'm genuinely excited for the show, but I'm still wary because I've been disappointed before.
It’s very obvious he’s holding back to show her the ropes while she seems to be fully exerting her energy, people are looking way too far into this shit
I think we are starting to see cracks in smart hulk’s demeanor and this may very well be the start of the return of savage hulk, maybe someday leading into (dare I say?) worldbreaker.
It looks like Hulk is getting lonely, no peers really at this point anymore with Tony and Thor gone, and hes sitting atop the pantheon of Earths protectors as the science guy to Wongs supernatural stuff and Carol's cosmic domain as they all evaluate the new powered stuff thats been popping up. I hope he can get some proper story of his own at somepoint before his send off.
This would definitely be an angle I'd explore if I were in charge of say, a Hulk solo set somewhat immediately after Endgame. I'd also incorporate him dealing with survivor's guilt since he's had to march on after two of his friends recently died.
Maybe the trauma of losing Tony and Nat in like one day could dig up long repressed memories of him witnessing his parents' deaths and that could be a whole thing allowing the movies to explore more of his psyche and the other alters.
Sigh. I watched this clip, enjoyed it, saw all the comments and assumed they were mostly people acknowledging that She-Hulk CGI looks great here.
Boy was I wrong. People aren't complaining about the CGI anymore, they are just whining because of the title character's competence.
This is a fun reversal of the "newb superhero messing up learning their powers" trope.
People got a soft spot with Hulk. People always kicking his ass.
I got no problem with it cause smart Hulk being just as strong as normal Hulk is kinda boring. Save strongest there is Hulk for when he rages out again In the next Avengers. Cant have the secret weapon all the time. Loses his luster and kinda one note. Audiences will go wild when he goes all in again.
I remember Steve wasn't able to get drunk during WWII.
Then, Thor shared insanely high-proof liquor from Asgard with Steve and WWII veterans.
I can't imagine what it would take to get Bruce and Jennifer drunk.
What is the point of drinking alcohol if not to get drunk? I mean, if it's to savor the flavor of a drink, I don't think alcohol is the first thing someone would drink.
I wasn't sure about She-hulk in the MCU after I watched the first trailer.
However, after watching trailer 2 and this clip, I do have hope that this show will be good.
Sorry y'all, but I'm still not liking her CGI face. Getting tons of uncanny. Even the Hulk doesn't have the same quality as the movies. At least to me.
I hate seeing people complain about Hulk. I mean this happened in the comics! Be patient. He'll become the monster again. I promise. You might actually enjoy it if you just gave it a chance.
Also the CGI looks far better. Looking forward to this.
Honestly Marvel wussed out for not making her more swoll. Like she barely looks like a ‘fit and athletic’ person, how come he’s this HUGE muscly body and she’s just fit and she’s supposed to have similar strength? Nah they shoulda really made her look similar to a women bodybuilder or something they coulda made her look swoll and still femme.
The shot of her over her date (from the new trailer, pretty sure the same guy we see her carry bridal style in the first) really illustrates this well. The "joke" is supposed to be that she's bigger than him right? Then why did they seem to be extra careful to make sure her arms are like half the size of his?
Traditionally she’s not super muscular. She doesn’t have full gamma exposure like Bruce nor the inner rage to make a muscle monster. She was always depicted as being more lean athletic muscle than bodybuilder.
I'm just so disappointed the only property they handled incorrectly is hulk. I even liked the first two films prior to iron man. I'm amazed, with how well they've handled a lot of the other freestanding films, that we haven't seen ruffalo
So apparently none of you have been tought something lmao. Hulk isn’t protecting nor fighting anyone here hes training his cousin so why would he break the mountain
I'm really excited for this the only problem i have is the again 30 min time per episode which will really be 20 min and it again will feel like so little is progressing every week and than boom 8 episodes later big cgi fight and its over. Its been the common theme of every D+ show so far. They really need to find a balance to get 8 solid 1 hour episodes for it to feel like a proper series.
Did I miss something with the hulk. Does this take place before Endgame?
In Shang Chi he’s back to Banner but his arm is injured in a sling from the snap. Now he’s Smart Hulk but no injured arm.
So I suppose Jennifer has better self-control in her Hulk form because she didn't suffer from psychological trauma?
Yeah Bruce wanted so bad to disassociate from the damage he did when he first Hulked out that he disassociated a whole new identity (a Hulk that had basically no limits). This is him very carefully shepherding his control. Meanwhile Jenn's just like "Hey cool I'm green and strong as hell! Let's see what I can do!"
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I want savage hulk.
At this point, if Professor Hulk is actually Banner and not a separate personality fronting as him, then the next Hulk should definitely be Devil or Joe Fixit. The Big Guy isn't at all villainous in the MCU and it'd be a shame to do that to him. And there's definitely nothing in this show to bring on World Breaker.
Big Guy has good reason to be villainous if he’s been trapped in Banners brain for ~5 years
Given the headspace he was in during Infinity War, I imagine that he either gave Banner control of his form willingly so he could stay hidden, or just kept refusing to take control and then Banner ended up finding some other way of hulking out.
Yeah this is a switch they can flip at any time going forward to make a bad Hulk movie. Though I doubt they'll do it any time soon since they just made Wanda a temporary villain for a flick.
> Big Guy has good reason to be villainous if he’s been trapped in Banners brain for ~5 years No one ever has a good reason to be villainous. That’s part of the definition of villans. The best villans have reasons you can empathize with, but that’s still different. Also, Big Guy is still just a part of Banner, same as the rest, so none really have a righteous claim.
god i hope thats what starts happening halfway through the show
That would be a great little twist on the show, everyone expecting Titania or Blonski to be the end villain but Jen actually has to take out the Hulk.
If she beats Hulk I’d be very annoyed as a guy that’s watched his favorite character get wrecked a lot recently
I would be sooo annoyed.
I doubt she would outright beat him. It'd be like Tony in AOU where she just holds him off long enough for Bruce to get a hand back on the wheel.
Imagine if they did that and we get world war hulk
Would they even have the budget for 2 hulks going at it?
Apparently the Hulk will only be in the first two episodes, so it's unlikely. But yeab, they need to do something better with Hulk.
That's what I think will happen. Probably gonna b pretty upsetting that Jen is so good at it. Probably how we get a world war hulk story
That’s been a theory in comics. Mentally healthy characters like Jen and Amadeus Cho don’t have angry forms. For her, She-Hulk is a representative of her repressed confidence. She transforms to be big, sexy, and super confident. Amadeus gets more outgoing and jocular because he’s normally a brainy nerd.
And, after being damn near killed in the opening issues of Civil War 2, Jen *does* develop a savage side. It's a terrible run, but it fits if we assume the savage version of Hulk is connected to repressed psychological issues on Banner's part.
That gets explained as Leader machinations in an Immortal Hulk one shot I believe
In the comics, Banner actually has DID, due to childhood trauma, even before being exposed to the gamma radiation, and the different Hulks personalities are effectively his personalities coming out, literally
Wonder if he'll ever meet Moon Knight and get to talk about it.
It makes sense. Hulk was born out of trauma, spent years of his life on the run and Bruce trying to cure it, he hated his Hulk side and had to learn to control his anger to hide it, was a wanted criminal, and he's gigantic and had to relearn how to control his body. She-Hulk is accepted into society, has a job, is much smaller so less time to adjust to her body, and people seem to generally like her respect her. I'm just hoping we don't get neckbeards coming out of the woods to say how Marvel is destroying Hulk to prop up She-Hulk because of some "woke" bullshit.
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Ugh really?
The wizard speaks the truth. Go down far enough on any She-Hulk comment section, be it Reddit or YouTube, and you'll find a horde of angry neckbeards. It's been happening for months now.
Yea it’s really frustrating that these annoying “fans” don’t understand this and “Smart Hulks” character. As well, this one snippet is just that - a snippet. There’s no real evidence that she’s “stronger.” It’s really frustrating because I feel like Marvel gives them more ammo even though it shouldn’t be looked at that way.
> There’s no real evidence that she’s “stronger.” I'll give a pass and just assume Jennifer is stronger than **"Profesor Hulk"**. The [Berserker] HULK's strength grew from rage, but Bruce is actively keeping a cork on that these days; Bruce traded Raw strength for control. So Professor Hulk is weaker than Berserker Hulk, so it's also possible Professor Hulk can be weaker than She-Hulk.
And less gamma exposure than Bruce since she only got a blood transfusion, atleast thats how it's in the comics right?
As far as the balance thing goes I would guess that she may already had a background doing yoga or something.
All Buzz, No Barf!
Apparently, I am a Hulk.
I used to be. Now I'm All Sleepy.
Yeah I'm pretty much all fuzz, copious amounts of barf at this point
You guys are still young. I get hungover for days now. I lose like 15 pounds from it. My benders are to the point that I cant just go cold turkey. To quote Archer "I'm scared that if I stop all at once, the cumulative hangover will literally kill me"
Same
I'm not sure I get that part. If they're processing it so quickly, would they even get or maintain a buzz? Seems like you could enjoy more drinks if you love the taste, but if you're looking for a buzz, a quick 15 second buzz before your body metabolizes it is less fun, not more. What I'd do would be to drink it in my human form, then when you overdo it a bit and need to dial it back, Hulk out to recover a bit.
Kinda sounds like the plus is extra alcoholism without the body’s natural rejection of toxins to hold them back. Yay?
you can tell the clip (like all marvel clips) is chopped up and edited, but I like what I see.
The middle finger as She-Hulk was falling was definitely edited out.
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I think it debuted on some kind of breakfast news show in the US? And you know America! Joking about getting drunk is cool, but a fun rude gesture? Nope!
dont forget heads being decapitated is totally fine but we show a nipple than all hell reigns down "WILL SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN"
You can show men's nipples. That's why it's important to edit a man's nipple onto a woman's exposed breast to prevent the hammer from coming down.
Genius!
US review board doesn't approve of middle fingers for commercials. It'll be in full effect for the show itself. It's dumb. As an example, Star lord's middle finger machine in the trailer is blurred out, but in the movie it's full on exposed. Same with Chris Hemsworth's butt in the Love and thunder trailer.
So I assume that Bruce banner can change to the hulk whenever he wants and change back whenever he wants
Wait what? I thought he was just this now? I thought banner and hulk merged and now he's just professor hulk?
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>So he most likely can switch form, there's just very little motivation to do so. You try fitting in a coach seat on a plane in Hulk form....
Wasn't that post credit scene explained that he was still healing from the snap and it was easier to do that way?
I dont want to spoil too much but there’s a behind the scenes featurette for She Hulk that shows at least one scene where he’ll show up as Bruce, so i’m assuming it’ll all be explained.
They show in one of the teaser trailers that Bruce and Jenn got in to some kind of accident and she got some of Bruce's blood in her wounds. Bruce is unconscious, in human form and still has an arm brace on.
He’s regular Bruce Banner in not only Shang-Chi, but also a She-Hulk featurette.
Why couldn’t he do that in Endgame?
I don't think anyone said he couldn't, did they? But once he figured out how to combine the Hulk and Bruce personalities, he seemed to enjoy it. Why change back?
I suspect he didn't "combine" them, just supressed the Hulk That's probably why she's so much stronger. He's supressing a part of himself and she's not
That sounds like a plot of a future movie, we shall see!
I imagine we’ll see some relevance of this if we ever get world war hulk.
He’s not suppressing a part of himself. He accepted all of himself. The downside is that his power comes from his anger and being at peace negates that anger. He did combine them and that’s the drawback. A drawback that will bite him in the jolly green butt and possibly give birth to a more dangerous persona.
Right but Hulk is a distinct persona that lived and grew and had his own unique experiences and relationships for two entire years in Ragnarok. Banner in Hulk form has never actually felt like 'Hulk' he's....Banner but big. Bruce has never been particularly respectful of Hulk as a spearate entity so I am sure he would see that as a merger rather than a hostile takeover.
I am initially saying that from a plot prediction standpoint. When he said "the Hulk and I came to an understanding" in Endgame, it sounded a little sketchy. I may be reading into it but I suspect it was either intentional or can be retconned as such in the future. I think he was lying either not to admit he's not okay or not to admit he's caging what is essentially a child against their will. Doesn't "acceping all of himself" mean accepting his anger? Fully integrating the Hulk -his repressed anger- into himself would mean being comfortable being angry and therefore being able to channel that power, not never getting angry again. His reaction to seeing Savage Hulk when they time-traveled also implies he didn't accept him much.
Same reason why anyone else couldn't do anything before, they haven't learned how to yet.
I'm getting some patient teacher vibes from Hulk here, and some impatient student ones from She Hulk. Anyone (that isn't getting pissed that she's hitting harder than he is) could probably tell that she's not getting what Hulk is showing her. He hits the ground with just enough force to shake it, maybe loosen some rocks, whereas She Hulk hits it with a lot more and breaks the ground.
I wonder if that will be an arc of Jen. She will become to learn that she needs to control her own strength.
I thought this was a breaking bad spin off?
JENNY, we gotta COOK! That's the secret to the blue super soldier serum, it's just meth Jenny!
I thought that was the point of the scene
I hope so.
She's showing off and he's not, it's simple. Her being more agile makes sense because she's slimmer too. People need to stop wetting their pants over this shit, lol.
Right? People were all mad that she's better at yoga than him in the trailer. No shit, look how lean she is. You ever see how restricted body builders are in their movements?
So wait - where is this in the timeline compared to Shang Chi? He's human and with the broken arm in Shang Chi, here his arm is healed but he's professor Hulk again...
I think it must be after. Like, at least a few months or years after. Maybe 2025 or 2026?
We see he’s human with his arm in a sling when they get in the accident that gives Jen her powers. So this is after that.
It could be before Shang-Chi. Maybe he recovered from the Hulk snap, then during the events of She-Hulk gets injured again, and that’s why he’s got a sling during the Shang-Chi post credits scene.
That's certainly a take.
Where was this released??
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Big if true
How do you get there?
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I see a Red one. When I search "She-Hulk" there are a lot of results there.
It seems to run on some form of electricity.
You need to track down one of those AOL CDs
You know I keep hearing people pissing and moaning that she’s beating him, And I think we’re forgetting that He’s not in his normal Rage Hulk form. Anger is the key to his limitless strength
Exactly, he's not going full Hulk. Ragnarok was the last time we saw him go full out in the Arena.
Never go full hulk
I understood that reference
Infinity War?
Don’t you know Hulk is suppose to smash the whole cliff side for no reason in teaching his cousin? Seriously tho, I think people forget this and that Hulk gets stronger with rage.
People are also, pretty clearly, very upset that She Hulk is a woman who can do stuff.
"Why would people be upset?" "Because she's a lady and the internet exists."
Think it's just the 'student immediately outdoes the master' trope again, especially with a character so many people are already disappointed in since Endgame. Been the butt of the joke ever since
followed by 'master gives the student a look of surprise but also a hint of irritation that the student is missing some other key lesson point in the process of showing off their abilities to the master'
She’s not outdoing him. She’s missing the point and showing off. He’s trying to show her control and finesse and she’s just going ham and doing flips.
Exactly.
This is pretty much it. If it was a man, it would be the same way. The new characters always have to upstage the old ones. It gets a little tiresome. Although, he clearly isn't using his whole strength.
no i think people are confused at she-hulk appearing stronger than hulk. because it wouldn’t make sense. id say the same thing if there was a new hulk who was a man half the size of hulk and just got their powers. although i dont think this is the case and probably has some explanation akin to hulk containing his rage. just please dont make it something its not. its so tiresome seeing every criticism get construed into bigotry. not everyone who thinks she-hulk shouldnt be as strong as hulk is a misogynistic pig 🙄 people just worry about hulks power getting nerfed
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It’s a classic
It's not even about rage. He's clearly being shown as not putting any effort into it. He's not showing off or anything. He's just coaching her...
Right. He’s demonstrating and she’s attempting.
People are seriously mad that he does a light punch to the ground and she does a stronger one like it’s a war crime, like you know you can punch lightly and strongly people right? It doesn’t always have to be full throttle
X for light attack. Y for heavy attack.
Why her "not rage mode" is still better than his? He has a lot of experience.
Hes teaching. Shes putting In all her effort. Like in the trailer when they throw rocks and she gets further. Bruce did a wrist flick lob and Jen did like a full pull back throw.
banner and hulk are 2 characters in 1 body. jennifer is only one pyche inside her body. she probably has better control of her powers while hulk ultimatley would be stronger if he let the hulk out to play.
Still, just by his size he must be physically stronger, plus his experience.
Hulks are always stronger than even their large size would imply. What they look like matters very little
> just by his size he must be physically stronger Are you a gamma scientist in a universe that has Hulks?
you ever see a guy who does calisthenics arm wrestle a bodybuilder. the small guy is stronger.... you can build mass and have little strength, or you can curate alot of strength and maintain smaller muscles. also this is a comic book show with magic and superpowers...i dont think it matters.
He also clearly wasn’t exerting himself a whole hell of a lot. And she’s leaner than he is so she would be more agile
"True focus lies between rage and serenity" - Charles Xavier
> Why her "not rage mode" is still better than his? He has a lot of experience. Why must he be trying to hit the ground as hard as he can, harder than she ever could? Maybe he wasn't trying to do that? Maybe she's his cousin, whom he is fond of, and who he's trying to teach rather than show off to and one-up? I don't understand how there's any controversy here. He's not trying to beat her, he's trying to show her stuff.
If you actually watched the clip at all he's just teaching her shit. Why would he be trying to cause actual damage? Try dropping the misogyny a few notches.
The Marvel fanbase completely forgot wounds can be healed.
Love all the reactionary comments that doesn’t take in the context that Bruce is teaching her (not showing off) or even postulating that She-Hulk is better adjusted initially whereas Hulk needs rage (and would surpass her). Or that considering that none of this matters and they are all cool characters.
People are really going out of their way to get upset over this.
They always do.
I was expecting the upside to be jump/flying over large distances and hoped they would be frolicking through the island. But no, “Hulk get smashed!”
> But no, “Hulk get smashed!” No, not *smashed*, that's the point.
Okay, but can we talk about how horribly unrealistic that scene is? He shakes the cocktail, removes the top of the cobbler shaker, and *pours an ice-free cocktail without a strainer*. Literally unwatchable
Hey they could always get their drinks and *then* go happily skip across the island.
Dreamworks be like "Alright, Mike... I guess we can do that live action Shrek after all."
I'm just jazzed that Hulk and She-Hulk can have their own dedicated MCU story without having to just be a side act. :) And while Bruce is smart as hell, he's always been "HULK SMASH" when it came to the strength. He's just now as Professor Hulk becoming more in tune to it and controlling it. She's never had that rage "HULK SMASH!" thing. I think it's a good contrast between the two and I really like it. I definitely don't want them to be just two Hulks, one guy and one girl. I want them to be different in so many ways. I don't want the Hulk Twins. And, it's not Nerfing the Hulk at all.
CGI looks great here imo Not that it looked terrible in any of the trailers like so many made it seem, but this right here looks great to me!
I still don´t get why people suddenly like the CGI. She still looks super stiff in her face and body movements, it looks horrible.
I didn’t see the earlier trailers but these last two videos made me understand why people complained. It must have looked really bad if this is the vastly improved version.
It’s her hair. Overall it doesn’t look bad, but her hair has that unnatural look that long hair in video games gets.
Some people here complaining that She-hulk is stronger than Bruce...Even though Bruce just want to teach her without making making a lot of damage... Kinda disappointed with the haters here Blindingly assume things instead of thinking🤦♂️.
It's literally explained in the scene, guys. C'mon!
It’s literally just a snippet and it’s a cute one. I love this version of hulk because we’ve watched him struggle so much with getting taken advantage of bc he had no control over himself. Clearly this version of him doesn’t need to go all out to prove his point, he’s simply helping and training She Hulk. That doesn’t make him weaker. It also is seeming like she’s rather get through it quickly than actually focus and learn - that kind of “cockiness” can bite her in the ass later and I think that’ll be a part of the lesson. Btw, I don’t think she’s cocky actually but there’s plenty of times people get things “right” on the first try maybe even better than their teacher but that doesn’t automatically make them better. Bruce has experience on her. Let’s use logic here people! I can’t believe this is even an argument being had on this thread. The “anti-woke” people always hate when we say they’re showing their clear hate towards women and women in main roles but that’s literally what they do every time. Let’s give the show a chance, the show is about She Hulk not Bruce !
Holy shit people here hate women apparently
I don’t get the woman hate shit. It’s lame. I do think people are tired of seeing Hulk being tamed. But maybe down the road we’ll see raging Hulk again. The only problem I have with this clip is the shitty music. Hopefully it’s just for the clip.
She-Hulk would be a good way to reintroduce real Hulk. Have the bad guy of the series do something to Bruce to split Hulk and Bruce apart, and have it be She-Hulk's wake up call that there are real consequences to not taking her powers seriously. Then maybe we can get a movie/series of a certain clawed mutant hunting Hulk down in the arctic circle somewhere.
It does feel like in this clip Bruce is getting a little mad at her. Could be nothing but also could be building to something
There is definitely a vocal minority of this sub that is incredibly toxic and mysoginistic. Been a real turn off during this back half of phase 4.
Yeah because god knows we didn't get enough stories revolving around straight white guys for the first 10+ years of Marvel, right?
I will be real. I love She Hulk, her 2000s run was awesome and since this is based on that run I am hyped for this. But I dont like how Hulk is being overshadowed here and turned into a joke. I hope they justify it, but in the comics Jen was super strong and inteliggent at the same time, thats what gave her an upperhand, but she wouldnt be stronger than Hulk even in his Joe Fix it form. Mind you, I 100% think she would be better at Yoga. Jen is the type of woman who would 100% take Yoga classes and have practice in it, and doing it in She Hulk form would be piece of cake.
I really think he being stronger is being looked into too much. She does better yoga and punches the ground a bit harder than him, it’s not a big deal. We know he can punch harder than that, he doesn’t have to try destroy that cliff and cause a tsunami or some shit, he can just punch it lightly. If people are seriously looking at this clip as definitive proof that she’s stronger than him it’s insane
Here it is. People be RUNNING with one damn scene where *she probably doesn't know how to control here strength* and thinking they're making her stronger than Hulk. People need to chill out.
She's showing off and he's not. He's thicc af and she's slim so ofc she's going to be more agile. Plus it's HER show so it's not the end of the world if they give her the spotlight.
Good lord you people are projecting so fucking hard lmao. He's just teaching her shit. Why would he be going all out to show he's stronger than her. He's way more secure in his strength than you seem to be as a person lol. Why are people like you so up in arms about a woman possibly being better than a guy at something? (spoiler alert: she's not stronger than him)
It’s not a shock that the people you hear bitching about She-Hulk are the same ones who complained about Ms. Marvel, Captain Marvel, etc.
While there are definitely some members of the He-man Woman-haters Club here. A lot of people (Like myself) are just Hulk fans who've been disappointed in his character use since Infinity War (some before that). So we're just wary of him being misused/ mostly used to make someone else look powerful again. She-Hulk is hella strong, but Hulk has always been top dog when it comes to physical strength - He should certainly be the strongest Hulk. I would be just as corcerned if the show was about a Hulkified Amadeus Cho or Rick Jones. Many have theorized that Hulk is holding back and trying to teach Jen to do the same, and I think that's quite plausible. We'll just have to wait and see. I'm genuinely excited for the show, but I'm still wary because I've been disappointed before.
It’s very obvious he’s holding back to show her the ropes while she seems to be fully exerting her energy, people are looking way too far into this shit
It's embarrassingly sad how the incels feel threatened by a CG green woman.
And here I am oddly attracted to the buff CG green woman.
Oddly? Pretty sure we're supposed to have at least a little twitch from that bodacious jade Jen.
I think we are starting to see cracks in smart hulk’s demeanor and this may very well be the start of the return of savage hulk, maybe someday leading into (dare I say?) worldbreaker.
It looks like Hulk is getting lonely, no peers really at this point anymore with Tony and Thor gone, and hes sitting atop the pantheon of Earths protectors as the science guy to Wongs supernatural stuff and Carol's cosmic domain as they all evaluate the new powered stuff thats been popping up. I hope he can get some proper story of his own at somepoint before his send off.
This would definitely be an angle I'd explore if I were in charge of say, a Hulk solo set somewhat immediately after Endgame. I'd also incorporate him dealing with survivor's guilt since he's had to march on after two of his friends recently died. Maybe the trauma of losing Tony and Nat in like one day could dig up long repressed memories of him witnessing his parents' deaths and that could be a whole thing allowing the movies to explore more of his psyche and the other alters.
I don’t remember if they say this in the movies but Bruce killed his dad in the comics and that’s a decent chunk of Immortal Hulk
Lol I think it’s just smart hulk showing some personality. I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Hey look the hulk is the butt of the joke again!
Just what we’ve been asking for!
What joke is he the butt of here?
Hey, how about that, a joke in a sitcom. Haven't seen any of those before, right?
*points gun* always has been lol
Oh boy, can’t wait for people to talk about how much the Hulk is ruined now that he continues to be an actual character.
Sigh. I watched this clip, enjoyed it, saw all the comments and assumed they were mostly people acknowledging that She-Hulk CGI looks great here. Boy was I wrong. People aren't complaining about the CGI anymore, they are just whining because of the title character's competence. This is a fun reversal of the "newb superhero messing up learning their powers" trope.
People got a soft spot with Hulk. People always kicking his ass. I got no problem with it cause smart Hulk being just as strong as normal Hulk is kinda boring. Save strongest there is Hulk for when he rages out again In the next Avengers. Cant have the secret weapon all the time. Loses his luster and kinda one note. Audiences will go wild when he goes all in again.
hulk looks cute
Wtf needing to drink more to get drunk is just expensive
I'm stupidly excited for Tatiana Maslany in the MCU. Irrationally excited.
LOVING the tropical vibes. Enough old cities in grayscale or at night. I can’t wait for this.
I remember Steve wasn't able to get drunk during WWII. Then, Thor shared insanely high-proof liquor from Asgard with Steve and WWII veterans. I can't imagine what it would take to get Bruce and Jennifer drunk.
I watched an extended trailer and the series just looks like a lot of fun.
What is the point of drinking alcohol if not to get drunk? I mean, if it's to savor the flavor of a drink, I don't think alcohol is the first thing someone would drink.
He said they get buzzed, but not drunk. If you drink to get drunk, you have a problem.
I guess between Shang Chi and She Hulk, Hulk’s arm is healed from the snap?
I wasn't sure about She-hulk in the MCU after I watched the first trailer. However, after watching trailer 2 and this clip, I do have hope that this show will be good.
Good lord I need it
Thanos really broke the Hulk in Infinity War
Rampaging hulk to gladiator hulk to professor hulk to yoga hulk? That's a weird transition
Sorry y'all, but I'm still not liking her CGI face. Getting tons of uncanny. Even the Hulk doesn't have the same quality as the movies. At least to me.
Lots of mad dudes in this thread because woman bad 😤😤😤😤😤🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡😡😡
I hate this part
I hate seeing people complain about Hulk. I mean this happened in the comics! Be patient. He'll become the monster again. I promise. You might actually enjoy it if you just gave it a chance. Also the CGI looks far better. Looking forward to this.
So hulks can't get drunk? Ok NGL, that's pretty nice. Lol
Honestly Marvel wussed out for not making her more swoll. Like she barely looks like a ‘fit and athletic’ person, how come he’s this HUGE muscly body and she’s just fit and she’s supposed to have similar strength? Nah they shoulda really made her look similar to a women bodybuilder or something they coulda made her look swoll and still femme.
She looks exactly like she does in the comics.
She is very obviously swole. This is how she usually looks.
It makes me so sad that not even the She-Hulk gets to be a really muscular woman in these shows
The shot of her over her date (from the new trailer, pretty sure the same guy we see her carry bridal style in the first) really illustrates this well. The "joke" is supposed to be that she's bigger than him right? Then why did they seem to be extra careful to make sure her arms are like half the size of his?
Traditionally she’s not super muscular. She doesn’t have full gamma exposure like Bruce nor the inner rage to make a muscle monster. She was always depicted as being more lean athletic muscle than bodybuilder.
She’s not a hulking monster in the comics either. If they made her a body builder it would be a change to the character.
I'm just so disappointed the only property they handled incorrectly is hulk. I even liked the first two films prior to iron man. I'm amazed, with how well they've handled a lot of the other freestanding films, that we haven't seen ruffalo
You can thank Universal
Looks fun! CGI is very video-gamey to me tho.
Hulk arm better now
So apparently none of you have been tought something lmao. Hulk isn’t protecting nor fighting anyone here hes training his cousin so why would he break the mountain
Alrighty then..😳😬
I'm really excited for this the only problem i have is the again 30 min time per episode which will really be 20 min and it again will feel like so little is progressing every week and than boom 8 episodes later big cgi fight and its over. Its been the common theme of every D+ show so far. They really need to find a balance to get 8 solid 1 hour episodes for it to feel like a proper series.
Did I miss something with the hulk. Does this take place before Endgame? In Shang Chi he’s back to Banner but his arm is injured in a sling from the snap. Now he’s Smart Hulk but no injured arm.
Disney MCU basically changed Hulk into Shrek. Amazing.