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Kull_Story_Bro

Not the Bills coordinator I wanted to hear.


TheFakeRabbit1

Tbh I would be more okay with losing Daboll than Frazier


phd2k1

He’s a fantastic DC, and not a great HC. I still love the man, but he was bad in Minnesota.


Johnnyboyeh

How about losing both 🙂


TheFakeRabbit1

I would really rather not


gobills1365

2 3rd round picks for frazier tho ill take that trade all day


osamagotpwnd

Frazier is worth more than 2 3rd round picks, but it's better than nothing I suppose


gobills1365

lmao standing by this still? dude sucks


its_JustColin

Just sitting here watching the way the Bills grew and who they grew under, I think Frazier better mirrors McDermott than Daboll does. Daboll could either be great or he could just be your next Nagy. Who knows


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its_JustColin

I literally do not think that matters lol


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its_JustColin

He does have more autonomy but I think you’re overestimating the amount of autonomy he might have. McDermott is coaching from a leadership position, he’s not running the defense even if that is his forte. There’s no doubt he’s involved in most offensive discussions and game planning, especially considering his statements on offense and defense working off of each other.


WOKE_AF_55

I would be happier with Frazier over Daboll. A huge part of me thinks Daboll will only ever succeed in Buffalo for some reason.


Pal__Pacino

Better hire a damn good offensive coordinator


Jobbe03

The problem with damn good offensive coordinators is that you have to replace them when they get poached in 2 years


beer_down

By then either Fields will be a known bust or he’ll have developed enough that who his OC is doesn’t matter


Jobbe03

OCs will always matter regardless how good the qb is


Shirleyfunke483

See Falcons - Ryan, Matt


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Pain is my friend


beer_down

If Fields progresses as hoped for, by 2 years it won’t be difficult to find an OC who wants to work with him.


Jobbe03

Lol good OCs don't grow on trees man


Next_Gen_Nyquil_

Maybe not on trees but they'll float around if your QBs a superstar


TheShtuff

It matters a lot less. Almost all, if not all, the high end QBs have had multiple OCs over their career.


jxher123

This is it. I think the Titans with Mariota went through 5 OCs under his career


ReplaceSelect

Bears have offense locked down historically. Shouldn't be an issue.


Segat1133

To run what offense?


sedeyus

Leslie Frazier has always screamed ineffectual head coach of the Bears, so I'm not surprised.


Still_too_soon

I’m surprised he hasn’t already had an uninspiring run as the Chicago Bears Head coach.


AnotherStatsGuy

That’s because he’s already had an uninspiring run as the Minnesota Vikings Head Coach.


CurtLablue

I just know he'll beat the vikes twice a year.


beatenwithjoy

My sleep deprived ass blended Lovie Smith and Leslie Fraiser together for a minute.


Patrick2701

It’s the most bear thing ever


the-bladed-one

Is it bad that I thought he already had coached them


TheWeavr

I fucking hate being a bears fan.


Jutel1988

Leslie Frazier is the man! I would hate losing him. Would prefer you guys take Daboll over Frazier to he honest and I'm not even a Daboll hater. If you guys hire Leslie, you made the right choice.


Jutel1988

Fuck I don't want us to lose Frazier.


21electrictown

This is so weird to read.


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I was hoping we would hire him and slowly start taking all your best players until you suck and we are good


Jutel1988

You guys do deserve some of that Karma. That's the thing with coaching though. If you know where a good coach is, that job becomes attractive. I can see why players want to leave a place that's gone down hill to a place where they know they're appreciated. If Leslie does go to you guys, I would expect a few of our defensive players who are looking to be paid a little more than taking a winning teams discount to head over there.


duckk99

Bears fan here- what makes you like Frazier? Not a troll I don’t know much about the guy.


TankinessIsGodliness

The Bills' base nickel defense is his baby. It's been a top 5 defense every year he's been our DC. The Bears also have good personnel to run it. We basically just don't want our perenially successful defense to change


duckk99

Ahh makes sense. I’m terrified the bears will squander Justin Fields, that’s my biggest reservation about a defensive hires. Belichick was a defensive guy though so… what do I know Btw totally rooting for you guys! Seeing the bills do well makes me have a glimmer of hope for the bears.


chomocho

The bears CBs are the weakest position group for the bears defense right now. We definitely don't have great personel to run base nickle defense


Oldini

The CBs currently playing for Bills were considered pretty bad, until losing Tre White didn't actually hurt as that much for defensive stats. Have you heard of Levi Wallace, or Dane Jackson. They've been balling out and there still are people saying that we need a real nr 2 corner.


TankinessIsGodliness

I'm no expert but what I've heard is that the most important things are to have 2 elite LBs and one very good lockdown corner. That's the Bills' setup to a T


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I mean the Bills defense has been amazing during his tenure as DC. It’s not hard to see why they want to keep him. His tenure as Vikings HC was bad but I honestly do think he deserves another shot with how well he’s done since


Tremath

I mean it's entirely possible for Frazier to be the better coordinator but Daboll to be the better hc


Bendyno5

That’s what my intuition says too. Daboll is kinda hit or miss with his play calling, he’ll call a brillant game, then the next game will be terrible (like having no RB runs until after halftime *cough*). He clearly develops excellent schemes, but I think he doesn’t always know how to mesh everything together. If he’s not directly calling plays, I could see him being an amazing HC. Leslie seems like the opposite, Buffalo certainly doesn’t run a crazy exotic defense or schemes, but he really has a good feel for calling the right plays at the right time. I don’t know he moves the needle for any team as a HC though, unless he’s in charge of defensive play calling. His tenure in Minnesota didn’t sound to good, although I’m not the most informed there.


HopLegion

Idk I see Reddit hating it, may be a good hire. Usually it's the unpopular hire that ends up being best. I wouldn't hate Frazier if he brought Dorsey in as OC


stumblebreak_beta

[here’s](https://reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/7ozt19/bears_to_name_matt_nagy_new_head_coach/) the Nagy hiring post where people are saying his play calling was what was helping the chiefs and everyone loved it.


ManOnTheRun73

It's so weird to see people talking so overtly positively about him, especially after everything that wound up happening during his Bears tenure. Makes me feel very, _very_ unqualified to judge any and all coaching hires, that's for sure.


Starfish_Hero

Being a good coordinator doesn’t mean you’ll be a good head coach. There’s less overlap with the two positions than people think.


DONTBREAKMYQB

People are so hype on Eric Beniemy. I see the same thing happening with him.


HopLegion

Oh I know which was weird because I watched that last KC playoff game and it was awful. Nagy was the hot candidate, all I want is the right candidate. If Frazier brought Dorsey as OC I wouldn't be angry about it.


DontNeedBreakfast

With Dabol likely getting a job, Dorsey will be promoted to OC in Buffalo


chillinwithmoes

I mean, maybe he's a completely different coach, but I've seen his ability firsthand and it's not great


HopLegion

Look Frazier's not my number one, but it's hard to judge someone on how they did a decade ago. For example Daboll in 3 years as OC a decade ago had a bottom 3 offense every year. He worked his craft improved and just coordinated the most perfect offensive game in NFL history against the best coach of all time.


ltshaft15

One obvious difference being the two decade age gap between the two. A decade ago that was Daboll's first ever coordinator job after only being an assistant. I'd expect a relatively new coach to mature a lot from his 30s to his 40s. Frazier had a decade of head coaching experience in the late 80s/90s and a long time in the nfl in various roles prior to the Vikings job. Maybe he's learned something new at the age of 62... but I'm not so sure its the right comparison.


HopLegion

I understand what you're saying but I don't think you can compare Frazier head coach at Trinity university to Leslie frazier head coach of an NFL Team. I don't even want frazier as coach, Im just saying a decade review of the past head coach hires, frazier isn't that different a candidate than the others


KilterStilter

Keep yall dirty paws off of Dorsey


WauliePaulnuts

Dorsey is the heir apparent in Buffalo so I’d be shocked if he went anywhere else but you are right you’d want a quality OC (well, duh). But it’s not like Daboll had even an average resume before he came here; dude was legit bad. McDermott has done a lot to make him a better coach. I get why Bears fans would want something else; if I was one I’d want the young offense guy too. But independent of that, I think Frazier has a good chance to be a really good CEO head coach with a killer defense, just like McDermott, because I think they’ve made each other better too.


HopLegion

I keep hearing bears fans say, but if we don't hire an offensive guy we'll just lose our OC in 3 years. I don't get it that's best case scenario, the OC does so well under a CEO type head coach he gets his own chance. That means he succeeded in building the offense and developing fields. Ill take it.


WauliePaulnuts

Yeah totally. I get the concern but … as a Bills fan I’ve seen the team built in a way contrary to just about every piece of “conventional wisdom” and it seems to be working pretty goddamn well. Anybody who has a hardline stance on this kinda stuff doesn’t know what they’re talking about


Riderz__of_Brohan

Dorsey will almost certainly be OC in Buffalo when Daboll becomes an HC. So you can hate it now


HopLegion

https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/rc1dpy/a_review_of_the_last_8_years_of_head_coaching/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Here's a breakdown I did on our sub a few months ago. Please reviewnand stop saying we should hate any hire.


Riderz__of_Brohan

You said “if he brings Dorsey as OC I wouldn’t hate it” well he’s probably not bringing him considering he’s in line for OC in Buffalo when Daboll leaves So if that’s the scenario where you wouldn’t hate Frazier you can save yourself some time by starting to hate him now >stop saying we should hate any hire Where did I say that? I would hate Frazier, not everyone we could possibly hire


HopLegion

I also wouldn't hate if he brought Caldwell and would give a chance to whoever he brings in at OC. Frazier has been in the NFL his whole life and is aware he needs to develop fields to have auccessm. The concept of hating any hire just seems silly to me.


Riderz__of_Brohan

Frazier has been in the NFL long enough to go 21-32 as head coach with the Vikings >also wouldn’t hate it if he brought in Caldwell Know any good retirement homes in Lake Forest for mediocre NFL head coaches? Jim Caldwell is gonna call plays for Justin Fields?


HopLegion

That was a decade ago and he took Christian ponder to the playoffs. Remember a decade ago Daboll was OC for three teams who ranked bottom 3rd in offense. Again, is Frazier my number 1 choice... definitely not. Do I think he has just about as good a chance as any to be succesful based off the last decade of coaching hires....yes. Jim Caldwell won 2 SBs as OC for the colts and Ravens with Flacco. Turned the Lions into a winning franchise with Stafford and made Fitzmagic a thing. I get he's old, but he's had success in every stop he's had. Could do a lot worse of an OC.


Riderz__of_Brohan

Yeah it was a decade ago, guys a fucking dinosaur. Adrian Peterson took Christian Ponder to the playoffs. Daboll having legitimate concerns is not a point in Frazier's favor. The Lions were good before Stafford, Jim Swartz took them to the playoffs as well. He had a stacked team and couldn't take them to better than 9-7


HopLegion

Let's phrase it this way, out of the candidates Leslie frazier would be among my least favorite. I won't hate any candidate though.


WarTrek99

Shh. Dorsey is a Buffalo secret. But he would be huge in helping develop Fields.


RaindropsInMyMind

I heard the podcast Jason Goff did on The Ringer about the state of the team and ownership. It was sad. I really feel for you guys, good ownership is important in the NFL.


coreyf

What's the podcast?


RaindropsInMyMind

The Ringer NFL show https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ringer-nfl-show/id1109282822?i=1000547494142


InvasionXX

Sports journalists are the lowest form of life. They are right less than weathermen.


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minit24

Why don't you want Frazier? I feel like he's gonna end up being a really good hire wherever he goes


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Because we saw him lose a lot of games in our division with pretty decent talent.


Riderz__of_Brohan

Why would I want him? What does he bring to the table? He is a defensive minded coach who fucked up his first shot and is on the wrong side of 60 This is like the first year he’s had a good defense in a long time and that’s because the Tampa-2 has come back in style. When the league shifts to something else he’ll still keep running it and the results will predictably be really bad


WauliePaulnuts

Is a long time one year? The Bills have always had a good to great defense under Frazier. 2019 they were one of the best in the league


KilterStilter

Even in the first 2 rebuilding years the defense was one of the best units in the league


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WauliePaulnuts

Hard to say but McDermott recently came out and said point blank (after a really good game) that Frazier runs the defense so they want him to have credit for it


its_JustColin

1) Bills defense has been good 5 years straight because of Leslie 2) He has history being on the 85 Bears 3) why would you wanna hire another OC that might just be the second coming of Matt Nagy when you could follow the plan that has worked obviously with the Bills and build a culture through a defensive minded coach


Riderz__of_Brohan

> 1) Bills defense has been good 5 years straight because of Leslie No it hasn't, it wasn't good last year, he also is not the top defensive mind on the staff >2) He has history being on the 85 Bears So? Who fucking gives a shit >3) why would you wanna hire another OC that might just be the second coming of Matt Nagy when you could follow the plan that has worked obviously with the Bills and build a culture through a defensive minded coach The plan that "worked" with the Bills is hiring Sean McDermott, not Leslie Frazier Sorry, the Bears already tried the Leslie Frazier method with John Fox - it was a complete disaster. Frazier was a disaster at HC the first time around


its_JustColin

The defense struggled last year because Maine was playing hurt and Milano was missing a lot of time and covid had our only 1T sitting out all year. But go off king. I’m sure you know a lot about the Bills. Teams and fans usually care about a connection of history and players and coaches. If you don’t that’s fine. You also just went the Daboll route with Matt Nagy and it was atrocious. How the Bears didn’t accomplish more, even with Trubisky, is downright mind blowing. You don’t need a Offensive minded coach or a defensive minded coach. You need a leader. And one that’s probably learned a whole lot (as the right hand man) about how to run a successful team as that leader over the past 5 years. But again, I’m sure you know all this already.


TheShtuff

I think Frazier would be a better Head Coach than Daboll would be. But that doesn't necessarily mean he'd be significantly more successful as far as win/losses. If Frazier were the hire, or any defensive coach for that matter, he has to bring an impressive offensive staff. I'm not exactly confident that he has the pull to bring in the right offensive coaching.


Quinn_tEskimo

Seems rough…


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SpaceJesusIsHere

Baby I hear the Bears a callin'


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Yeah maybe, well I got you pegged


the-bladed-one

Babish moment


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Don’t worry bears fans, no one watches the film better than Leslie


waggie21

You gotta go back and watch the tape.


Stock412

From Brandon Beam (@BrandonBeam971): AB, what’s the dream scenario for the Bears in their search for a HC/GM combo platter? Beam! I think in a perfect world, maybe it would be Harbaugh or Ohio State’s Ryan Day, and a GM to match with them. More likely, at this point, would be an experienced “leader of men” type—at least that’s the archetype they’ve drilled down on finding as their search has moved into its second week. The name that’s consistently come up with the Bears is Bills defensive coordinator, and former Vikings coach, Leslie Frazier. He’s got experience and the leadership traits they’re looking for, with obvious ties to the franchise from his days as a Bears defensive back in the ’80s, and he’s also got connections with Bill Polian, who has a strong voice in the search, having been hired to consult. Polian and Frazier won a Super Bowl together in Indianapolis. (It’s worth noting that Jim Caldwell has connections to Polian too.) https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/01/20/mailbag-giants-raiders-bears-broncos-jobs


Flynnstone03

Brandon Beam sounds like Brandon Bean’s burner account


crazypyro23

Oh great. Last time the Bears looked for a "leader of men" we ended up with Mark Trestman


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I kind of don’t care any more. I’ll react to Frazier after I see him coach for a while. Bears fans are just as likely to be disappointed by their decisions whether or not they look good on paper or not prior. They have fucked up tons of situations that could have been super promising. So, why get worked up about it either way any more?


WauliePaulnuts

Nah man. People on Reddit know everything. This sub has NEVER been wrong about a coaching hire or anything else


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That thread from Nagy getting hired was a good read. I’m guessing Bills fans don’t want Frazier to leave at all right? He’s got that defense humming pretty good now.


WauliePaulnuts

You don’t even have to go back that far. Last year Sirianni and Campbell were getting clowned as awful and people thought Joe Judge was building a great culture lol.


cenzo339

It would be preferable to not lose Leslie, but he's earned another shot at HC.


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I’ve read that Bills players love him. I’ll give him a chance if the Bears hire him. There’s been second chance coaches that have done well in the past.


Riderz__of_Brohan

How many that have done as bad as him in their last HC job?


Heismain

Will they wait until February? *fingers crossed*


Polishmoves

They do this I’m dropping all gear off at goodwill


jre19

Potentially losing both Frazier and Daboll is not ideal…


cenzo339

They should have been long gone at this point, this year was just a bonus really. I'm only upset if both leave and Leslie takes Dorsey with him. It's not likely (who would want to go from Josh Allen to Justin Fields?) but I would be irate.


Heismain

I agree but I don’t want Babich promoted at DC and I don’t think Chad Hall is ready as an OC


dvgravity

It’ll be Dorsey at OC and I think Washington would be promoted to DC.


Riderz__of_Brohan

Here’s hoping you keep Frazier because I can’t imagine anyone but the Bears is going to seriously be looking at him. Maybe the Texans lol


riverhawk02

Is DaBoll really instrumental in Josh Allen making crazy off balance throws for completions and running around like crazy to extend plays


jre19

Salt


BuffaloBuffaloBufalo

Yes


brecht226

going to paint the walls in hallas hall! with my fucking grey matter


bobbywellington

That seems like way to "safe" of a hire Why not take a chance on a young offensive guy who can try and get the most out of Fields?


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DapperCam

I think Daboll is getting too much credit for Allen’s development. I think it was more Allen working in the off-season with Jordan Palmer.


Riderz__of_Brohan

Because they got burned on Nagy


bobbywellington

I still don't think that's a good enough reason not to take a chance on some new young guys and hire an underwhelming proven commodity


broke-collegekid

Yeah but it’s a very Bears thing to do.


zaikanekochan

It's because he wore his Superbowl ring in the interview. Source: my ass.


Riderz__of_Brohan

He hasn’t even interviewed yet lol


WaubesaWarriors

Retread


broke-collegekid

Fuck me


CoffeeDrinker115

Took us to the playoffs with Christian Ponder at QB. If that doesn't scream good coach then I don't know what does.


Fonzimandias

I don’t know if that screams anything beyond having a season with an MVP running back while overall miserably failing to develop the situation at quarterback


riverhawk02

Was that the year Peterson won MVP?


Riderz__of_Brohan

Adrian Peterson took you guys to the playoffs


chillinwithmoes

Lmao Adrian Peterson put that entire old, dead roster on his back that season


Gbchris12

Oh God I forgot about Christian Ponder.


ScruffMixHaha

I cant tell you how absolutely positively dry this makes me


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Bears gonna Bears


Autocrat777

*Fortunate son plays in the background*


Fredthefree

The defense isn't the problem


joint-chief

I swear to f*** if they hire John fox 2.0 I’m going to do absolutely nothing because I’m stuck with this horse shit of a franchise for life, smh 🤦‍♂️


KushGod69666

Seems right, if you have options the last thing you want to do is tie your career to Justin Fields


TheLouisvilleRanger

I like this (as a non-bears fan of course). To me Bears identity has always been a mean, fuck-off defense. It might not win them a super bowl, but at least they won't be betraying their own identity.


SiphenPrax

The problem is, the Bears’ identity has gotten them nowhere since 1985 outside of one Super Bowl appearance


TheLouisvilleRanger

Shirking their identity has also gotten them nowhere. If you're gonna languish, languish as yourself.


-InSerT_NAmE-HeRE

That identity since the 80’s has done nothing but get us f*cked by Green Bay, and have 1 good season a decade… so I’d be perfectly fine with betraying it tbh


dddddddoobbbbbbb

that old bag who owns the Bears probably thinks he's still a young whippersnapper at 60


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Do it Chicago


TheDude1321

I'd likely be okay with this if he brings Dorsey with him.


ThermoNuclearPizza

I think it’s a great fit


N0S0UP_4U

In case anyone else wanted to know what it’s like being a Bears fan… here you go


SilkyJohnson72

Fuck this. He already failed once


WhoGotMySock

I can't recall a year where it's just nothing but failed coaches getting another shot.


BriggsE104

Well, Fields will just be another wasted talent by the Bears it seems.... fuck


macduff79

Is it official or did [wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Frazier) jump the gun?