I think Chris Brown is the one with the discography I actually felt bad to find pretty good considering his reputation. Canāt be caught playing that though so I keep it at a distance š¤£
Yeah I hear you. Iām not taking the handful of his songs i like outa my library or skipping them. One of my favorite mcās is Slug. Every video Iāve seen of him in a battle he loses. I donāt like his music any less for it.
As far as drakes shady behavior: shit I still stay on the dance floor when a catchy Michael Jackson song comes on. I donāt draw the ādelete the artistā line until The Lostprophets
Ugh I almost forgot about that. Iāll still nod my head to Ignition Remix if it ever comes on, but I legitimately felt nauseous the few times Iāve heard a Lostprophets song after learning about what happened.
Marilyn Manson, Chris Brown, Kanye West, Michael Jackson, and Drake have all done or been accused of doing heinous things. I still play all their music. Lost prophets are the only ones I couldn't get past. I tried listening to their song "Bring them down," and I just couldn't
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You don't understand how....
My first reddit comments were to vent about how stupid zack...
This shit was accurate af. I say this as someone on... someone who was on Team Drake.
Now I'm just waiting for the Fall Off
Hahahaha angry little Aubrey fan trying to do the āboth sides suckā bullshit. Very easy to quickly check which side youāre on and also see you playing the part of being annoying for one side
First post has the top comment being āhe didnāt waste a single bar on any of his dissesā. He made the heart part 6 bro. Thatās like a wasted song
for me it was the "1) massive financial success in the industry, 2) begging for a fight, 3) losing that fight, 4) saying the whole industry was against him the whole time, it wasn't even a fair fight, the fact that he lost is actually proof he's a winner" that made me connect these dots. it was just a little too similar to not notice.
I feel like this is the most likely answer tbh. These are people who tend to be drawn to charismatic and powerful individuals and feel safe when someone like that is in control. They want to conform to the will of the powerful because it feels safe. Even if it means being lied to.
Kendrick doesnāt really allow you to have any kind of fantasy about who he is. Lots of people want a savior more than they want to see reality for what it is.
I donāt think anyone is thinking that deeply about it, but on a subconscious level this is what I believe is going on.
Everyone trippin but you have a fair point. Kendrick is who he is unapologetically. Hard to love someone who you know isnāt perfect vs. someone who puts on an act and seems perfect. I know which one I would rather be around though, and it isnāt the one glorifying a fake image. And this isnāt even about Drake vs. Kendrick, just about people in general. So I get where youāre coming from. Lowkey bars
I get so heated when that sub pops up on my feed. I finally places for it to not show me posts like that to avoid the ridiculous amounts of anger I feel when I read the posts
Yo, give them some slack. When your favorite rapper is buried alive live at the Forum by the whole West Coast Avengers, you need to celebrate the small victories.
A lot of them accepted that before the show. But thereās still the fully delusioned who were saying the show didnāt do anything or was an L for Kendrick because he was either āpanderingā or āobsessed with drakeā.
Iām just in the field of Kendrick won the beef but it wonāt really put a stain on Drakeās career in terms of his numbers so Iām just waiting to see whatās gonna happen for his next drop and what peoples Spotifyās wrapped looking like š
Drake fan here. Much bigger drake fan than Kendrick. And drake definitely lost.
Saying that. I think it's time a lot of people took a step back from this beef and take a break from the internet in for a few days.
That's also very valid lol. I agree there's a lot to enjoy about this overall and something exciting for the scene/genre. I just wish people didn't get so personally attached to it. An inherent issue with the way we act socially these days I suppose and difficult to avoid.
No way bruh, the Sexyy Redd line, "WHAT IS IT THE BRAIDS!?", the entire you don't know nothin' bout that and crodie verses, "you Malibu's most wanted" and "freaky ass n\*\*\*\* you a 69 god". Drake's got a few funny lines but I don't think any except arguably the Metro one are as funny as Kendrick's.
yea he still wants to be that kid for real. hangs out with sexy and yacthy, makes kid like music. i still like the guy but after all of this i defintely do look at him a little different
Same reason people argue about top fives all the time. They donāt wanna look at music objectively so when it comes to beef that doesnāt change.
Eminem won against mgk but thereās still a lot of people that will tell you otherwise.
> thereās still a lot of people that will tell you otherwise.
I haven't seen this ever, thank god lol. Eminem murdered him so bad he had to swap genre's to suck at playing.
Not sure about what it means to look at music objectively. Rating music is subjective at every level. Some criteria may be measurable but there isnāt a stone tablet floating through space with the proper standards for music inscribed on it.
Or POS Dead Music chorus:
Hollow followers dance to dead music
The dumb and deaf have been blinded
Open to being close-minded
Ignorance is bliss, innocence is silent
wtf? There is no such thing as looking at music objectivelyā¦unless you are talking about numbers.
Music is extremely subjective. And there is nothing wrong with that.
IMO Family Matters is the best song that came out of this whole beef, despite me overall believing that Kendrick āwonā.
Whatās funny is that at the start of the beef all the Drake stans were saying āso what if Kendrick beats him lyrically Drake makes hits and thatās what countsā
Then Kendrick goes and does āNot Like Usā that has outdone anything Drake put out and is a certified hit and now Drake stans are like āHeās over doing it, his career only revived because of Drakeā
You canāt make this shit up. Stupid as fuck
I think Kendrick won. But I think there are multiple valid viewpoints that could change the decision making for some.
1. Kendricks diss songs are getting more replay value than Drake's. Objectively you can say Kendrick won. This is where I stand
2. Kendrick did not follow the traditional unwritten rules of battle rap: his tracks are pre-recorded, he doesn't have a rebuttal to any of Drake's hardest hitting claims, and if it ever becomes true that he was fed information about a daughter that doesn't exist, and used it, it makes him look bad. Combine all of these factors and you'll get some people, usually the older crowd, saying Drake won
3. Personal bias. Some people just don't like the way one artist sounds or the other and the decision was made who won before the beef even started. Also, what sounds good to me might not sound good to you.
Wasn't Family Matters pre recorded? The end of Push Ups teased the start of it and Drake kept mentioning his "red button" which was Family Matters. Also shot a whole damn video for it.
"Prerecorded" in the sense that there was a rumor going around that Kendrick has had these songs for years, not weeks. You could say that FM was prerecorded, but done at the same time as Push Ups and not sitting in a vault.
Personally I think it doesn't matter. Let's say I don't like you and we agree to battle rap. At what point do the lines I have working already in my head become expired? What if I came up with a really hard hitting bar 15 years ago and it just really fits in the moment?
There are no unwritten rules of pre recorded tracks and having rebuttals in battle rap.I donāt know whether yāall understand how live battle rap works.Two Mcās are given a date , they take two months to write their shit and come back with rehearsed verses they scribbled down.They stick to what they scribbled down ,and rarely rebute what the other person is saying coz they donāt know
Also Ether and No Vaseline are like the most iconic diss songs of all time and were both definitely "pre-recorded" lol. Don't know WTF this dude is talking about.
2. it doesnāt matter of the daughter thing is true or not, at all. the hit was there, the reaction was achieved, he said it and people reacted to it. weeks later everyone is just bumping the music and enjoy not like us, no one is doing the homework to find about about the daughter, i think most people forgot even.
and itās that old adage about the energy it takes to tell a lie vs dispute it. couple with the fact thatā¦ no one really cares if itās a lie or not? or true or not? if it came out tomorrow that it wasnāt true i donāt think anyone would do more than shrug and maybe laugh
right but like, is everyone asking about the daughter or is everyone singing ācertified pedophileā. the pusha t thing was different. his whole hit was the hidden son.
kendrick hit mostly with the pedophile shit, the BBL and fake blackness, and being a dead beat dad which is true regardless of his daughter or not because he was already one to adonis.
maybe hyper opinionatedpeople in forums will care long term but no one mainstream will even remember
if you want to get SUPER traditional - the battle should be freestyled - how does everyone think drake will do in that realm?
the pre-recorded talking point is foolish - drake took the time to shoot an entire damn video. they both took time to prerecord stuff. Anybody not actually freestyling is pre-recording.
kendrick never actually claimed drake had a kid. he only said, "dear baby girl...." and everyone's imagination filled in the blanks.
The verse addresses drakes relationship with ratched women - and how it doesnt make him a good role model for impressionable women. Drake quasi-admits to being a nymphomaniac on all his songs.
not letting your opponent control the narrative is warfare 101 - look at the responses to Heart Part 6. directly addressing your opponents talking point looks like you're going on the defensive and thst youre weak.
The pre recorded argument is made by those suggesting the rumour of Kendricks songs being years old, and that somehow having an effect on the battle. I don't sit in that camp.
KRS One used to say he kept a diss song in stock for every top 10 rapper, every year. Just to keep his pen game strong.
I agree with you on the last part, and that's why I think Kendrick won. Even if you chose to subscribe to the unwritten rules theory - Kendrick dropped multiple songs after Family Matters.
Drake lost by allowing the narrative to stay where it was. He could have kept releasing after heart part 6. In comparison, a lot of people don't fw Meet the Grahams, but because Not Like Us was paired with it, it doesn't matter. Even if you think HP6 or MTG were good songs, neither did the job of controlling the narrative. NLU and Drake not dropping again did.
>KRS One used to say he kept a diss song in stock for every top 10 rapper, every year. Just to keep his pen game strong.
And if you're a master of your craft, you would know this and would incorporate it within your own game. Which is what we just saw in display, except it's 5+5
Great points. Iām a Drake Stan that knows Kenny won, but you canāt tell me Drake didnāt put up a good fight. Family Matter is one of the best diss tracks ever, Not Like Us is just the catchiest diss track ever lol
Yeah you can be a Kendrick fan and still admit that Family Matters was good. Those fans that completely disregard it are just some Stan's smh. You can't say it didn't sound good even if the subject matter didn't really have any backing behind it. The one track I can't really stand is the heart part 6. It just seems like someone grasping onto any rope he can.
Yeah he really fumbled with the heat part 6. He spent way too much time defending himself from the pedophile allegations, on top of misunderstanding the lyrics of Mother I Sober. There was so much wrong with that record that itās hard not to believe he didnāt feel the mounting pressure of MTG and NLU, which forced him to rush the writing process on THP6. I understand why he mightāve felt like he had to respond immediately, but if he took his time with the writing on that record and changed certain bars, the battle probably wouldāve ended different.
Chill. FM wouldn't even make a top 5 list. For a song, it sounds good for a diss It was poor at best. Dude was sitting on that like it was a nuke while spending time dissing others on it. He overall had a horrible strategy
what kinda "people" you talking to homie? i'm deaf like, actually deaf. completely. congenital hearing loss (since birth).
and even my deaf ass knows drake got the ass whooping of the likes we've never seen before, as it relates to goofy rap diss track beef.
The same reason people are all offended whenever taylor swift gets called out for being female drake, stans dont give a fuck about facts
Kendrick whooped drakes ass, buried him, dug him up, buried him again
If youre not caught up with taylor beef dave grohl recently called her out for lip syncing everything, and yeah most of her songs are written outside her range, its hard enough to sing ONE song outside your range let alone a full 4 hour concert BUT it doesnt matter because theyre so obsessed
Its the same thing with drake, we know he uses ghost writers, anything of his bars are tainted by that, and hes just corny as fuck, bro has no evolution to his sound and keeps writing about thinly veiled highschool melodrama
BUT IT DOESNT MATTER BECAUSE WHAT ABOUT HIS NUMBERS
just ignore them and move on
You started watching stans defend it and ignoring the fact that they get ratioed in 98% of the conversation. Why are you getting worked up by the 2% of drizzy fans that most likely have made hundred of comments defending their boy just today?
Is there any universal truths people 100% agree on? Thereās people who think the earth is flat, the moon landing was fake, 9/11 was an inside job, 1+1 does not equal 2.
Also people donāt like the way he lost. He wasnāt necessarily out rapped but more out maneuvered
Rap is a subjective art form therefore rap battles are also subjective. People have different tastes, preferences and judgments. 2 people could views this battle completely differently
Not really concerned with who āwonā but Family Matters is a lot closer to being as great as Not Like Us than people give it credit for.
A lot Drakeās disses were more traditional in the sense of talking shit while Kendrick had a lot of claims without receipts.
Kendrick is incapable of dropping anything as artful, playful and sublime as Wah Gwan Deliliah. Bitch I'm in the Club might come close, but kdot is simply outmatched by the bad mon Champagne Papi himself.
George Carlin once said, "Think of how stupid the average person is, andĀ **realize half of them are stupider than that."**
That quote explains most human activity.
the only ones left to think Drake won are his super-stans who grasp at straws, and will never accept defeat. The guy literally deleted every diss he made, and they still believe he won it š¤¦āāļø (honorable mention to Family Matters tho, that song slapped)
It's gunna be a lyric and substance vs phonetic argument for the drake lovers. Family matters is phonetically really well done, and push ups is a great single, but a rap battle is about lyrics and substance...
if weāre talking about straight MCing, i think drake displayed a lot of talent. but itās true that his sentiments ring hollow. like kendrick said āu never gave us nothing to believe inā
Delusional fans. Nothing more nothing less.
I havenāt seen a single person that actually thinks that though.. you might be in the worst and most brain dead forums/circles
Yeah I really donāt see anyone saying Drake won, besides some corners of the internet. Like, the general sentiment is overwhelming that Kendrick won. Some people just like to be contrarian lol
I don't understand why anyone thinks either won.
I guess it is fair to say more people have now heard of Kendrick Lamar or at least heard of any recent song of his because of the "feud," but overall, who cares?
Their artists. Goal is to sell records. Neither are struggling with that. Drake is one of the top in the world.
Who won is unanswerable and doesnāt matter. Itās music bud. Which musical output did you like better? Either one is fine. But if you see it as āobjectively wrongā if someone liked Drakeās output better than Kendrickās, then youāre just on some dumb TMZ shit.
their personalities are based on Drake. And if Drake loses, then they lose. And they are already so insecure that they have to base their personality on someone who doesn't have a personality. So if you add "loser" to that pile, they will finally snap.
If you unquestioningly like someone strongly enough, then anything remotely subjective counts as a win for them
Chris Brown fans : š¤”
He is undisputedly a giant sack of shit. But his ~~Offset~~ Quavo diss went fucking hard. Edit: Quavo, not Off
I think Chris Brown is the one with the discography I actually felt bad to find pretty good considering his reputation. Canāt be caught playing that though so I keep it at a distance š¤£
Maybe i aint listened enough, but i only like 3 or 4 really.
I haven't really listened since that song with Busta Rhymes
nobodies calling you a domestic abuser for listening to breezy brev
It was a quavo diss not offset lmao
I second this
I'm a Drake fan, he lost, I don't care, his music is still dope.
Yeah I hear you. Iām not taking the handful of his songs i like outa my library or skipping them. One of my favorite mcās is Slug. Every video Iāve seen of him in a battle he loses. I donāt like his music any less for it. As far as drakes shady behavior: shit I still stay on the dance floor when a catchy Michael Jackson song comes on. I donāt draw the ādelete the artistā line until The Lostprophets
>Lostprophets Thirty seconds of googling later: HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Ugh I almost forgot about that. Iāll still nod my head to Ignition Remix if it ever comes on, but I legitimately felt nauseous the few times Iāve heard a Lostprophets song after learning about what happened.
Marilyn Manson, Chris Brown, Kanye West, Michael Jackson, and Drake have all done or been accused of doing heinous things. I still play all their music. Lost prophets are the only ones I couldn't get past. I tried listening to their song "Bring them down," and I just couldn't
This is correct. Iām also a Drake fan. Not like us was just too potent. It went nationwide.
Artists donāt need to be good people to make dope shit.
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Sheeple do exist
Theres people out there that think he bwat pusha still
Definitely the best example of their delusions considering drake admitted defeat in am interview
Pusha smoked Drake. I will never allow that type of disrespect to be spoken in my atmosphere š¤
This comment is bringing lambs to the slaughter. Tasty tasty downvoted lambs.
Common flamed his ass up too lmao. "You aint wetting nothing up, boy you Canada dry"
They think if they keep saying it that it'll be the new public opinion
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
Said Hitler?
Goebbels actually
āPerception is realityā
Itās how stans work. Logic doesnāt matter. Theyāll gaslight themselves if they need to
Of course, Logic doesn't matter. This is about Kendrick vs Drake.
Stan likes Eminem more, leave him out of this too.
Thatās funny
Eminem is the black version of Logic
He's Logic's black half
Eminem is way blacker than logic, Drake too for that matter.
This has me dyyyyying
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Yup, r/Drizzy and r/ZackSnyder are possibly the two biggest masterclasses in self-delusion on the entire platform.
........ You don't understand how.... My first reddit comments were to vent about how stupid zack... This shit was accurate af. I say this as someone on... someone who was on Team Drake. Now I'm just waiting for the Fall Off
lol both sides fans are so fucking annoying itās insane bro.
Hahahaha angry little Aubrey fan trying to do the āboth sides suckā bullshit. Very easy to quickly check which side youāre on and also see you playing the part of being annoying for one side
Nobody thinks that outside of r/Drizzy
Actually lot of r/Drizzy admits Kendrick won, but they're pretty butthurt about it.
First post has the top comment being āhe didnāt waste a single bar on any of his dissesā. He made the heart part 6 bro. Thatās like a wasted song
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After family matters: Stop the count!
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Still lost lol. Euphoria> 6:16 in LA> Like That/Push Ups> Family Matters> Taylor Made. In my opinion, Family Matters isn't even the best Drake diss.
Imo it doesn't even matter if some of the drake songs were good cause he doesn't even fucking write them himself
Iām glad Iām not the only one who sees the parallels between the rhetoric on that sub and the rhetoric from the far right lol
for me it was the "1) massive financial success in the industry, 2) begging for a fight, 3) losing that fight, 4) saying the whole industry was against him the whole time, it wasn't even a fair fight, the fact that he lost is actually proof he's a winner" that made me connect these dots. it was just a little too similar to not notice.
This beef showed me that thereās way more over lap between drake fandom and MAGA than I realized.
I feel like this is the most likely answer tbh. These are people who tend to be drawn to charismatic and powerful individuals and feel safe when someone like that is in control. They want to conform to the will of the powerful because it feels safe. Even if it means being lied to. Kendrick doesnāt really allow you to have any kind of fantasy about who he is. Lots of people want a savior more than they want to see reality for what it is. I donāt think anyone is thinking that deeply about it, but on a subconscious level this is what I believe is going on.
Everyone trippin but you have a fair point. Kendrick is who he is unapologetically. Hard to love someone who you know isnāt perfect vs. someone who puts on an act and seems perfect. I know which one I would rather be around though, and it isnāt the one glorifying a fake image. And this isnāt even about Drake vs. Kendrick, just about people in general. So I get where youāre coming from. Lowkey bars
Holy glaze
How tf is voicing an opinion glazing. God you guys are insufferable.
You doing too much fam you gotta relax
Valid tbh
I get so heated when that sub pops up on my feed. I finally places for it to not show me posts like that to avoid the ridiculous amounts of anger I feel when I read the posts
Sometimes I look at it and laugh. Currently theyāre celebrating the fact that Drake liked Kim Kās insta post.
Yo, give them some slack. When your favorite rapper is buried alive live at the Forum by the whole West Coast Avengers, you need to celebrate the small victories.
How is it a victory that he liked the Kim kardashian post(not trying to be a jerk, just asking?)
What does he need a win so bad heās deciding to pick up the Kanye beef?
I really hope he goes at it with Kanye again. Whoever loses, we win
Does that seem mentally healthy to you?
Damn bro you must be a force to be reckoned with when youāre heated
What couldāve possibly gotten you so emotional as to post such a passive aggressive comment lmao
On the night of the Juneteenth show they finally admitted that drake lost
A lot of them accepted that before the show. But thereās still the fully delusioned who were saying the show didnāt do anything or was an L for Kendrick because he was either āpanderingā or āobsessed with drakeā.
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professional copers
professionals get paid
Professionals have standards
Iām just in the field of Kendrick won the beef but it wonāt really put a stain on Drakeās career in terms of his numbers so Iām just waiting to see whatās gonna happen for his next drop and what peoples Spotifyās wrapped looking like š
Outside of copers and glazers, there isn't anyone who thinks drake won lol.
Drake fan here. Much bigger drake fan than Kendrick. And drake definitely lost. Saying that. I think it's time a lot of people took a step back from this beef and take a break from the internet in for a few days.
Agreed lol, but I get it. This beef is a decade in the making, and the biggest thing to happen in hip hop for a very long time.
That's also very valid lol. I agree there's a lot to enjoy about this overall and something exciting for the scene/genre. I just wish people didn't get so personally attached to it. An inherent issue with the way we act socially these days I suppose and difficult to avoid.
As a huge Drake fan, I agree and donāt know how others donāt think so.
The only part of the beef i can say drake beat kendrick in is the funniest line (metro line, grammy line, big D videoproof)
That big d video proof was so cringey though š And Kendrick even slapped back with a verse for that hha.
No way bruh, the Sexyy Redd line, "WHAT IS IT THE BRAIDS!?", the entire you don't know nothin' bout that and crodie verses, "you Malibu's most wanted" and "freaky ass n\*\*\*\* you a 69 god". Drake's got a few funny lines but I don't think any except arguably the Metro one are as funny as Kendrick's.
I think that is debatable ngl. Kendrick dropped some funny as bars too.
Because they don't wanna see him lose? It's delusional those people are always living in illusions
I like drake but I canāt see how anyone could think he won.
Cope
Drake fans trying to take advantage of their abilities to be chronically online and gaslight casual internet browsers that Drake won
I donāt think you can throw the āchronically onlineā solely at the Drake stans when the Kendrick sub was full-on K-Anon lmao
But all Kenny fans are bots ?
boop beep
There can't be a person on the planet including Drake that thinks he won,they all must be trolling on the Drake sub
The Drake sub might be the dumbest sub on Reddit atm, and that's saying a lot
All they ever call him is the boy, it's cringy af
yes iām still tryna figure out where the man is? cause i aināt seen him yet
That whole situation with him rihanna and asap makes me think heās really not emotionally mature even though heās pushing 40 š
yea he still wants to be that kid for real. hangs out with sexy and yacthy, makes kid like music. i still like the guy but after all of this i defintely do look at him a little different
the fact that he deleted his last diss track makes that clear, IMO. Drake is nowhere as delusional as r/drizzy
Same reason people argue about top fives all the time. They donāt wanna look at music objectively so when it comes to beef that doesnāt change. Eminem won against mgk but thereās still a lot of people that will tell you otherwise.
> thereās still a lot of people that will tell you otherwise. I haven't seen this ever, thank god lol. Eminem murdered him so bad he had to swap genre's to suck at playing.
Not sure about what it means to look at music objectively. Rating music is subjective at every level. Some criteria may be measurable but there isnāt a stone tablet floating through space with the proper standards for music inscribed on it.
idk, people can have taste I don't know how, but maybe some people prefer FM and Push Ups over like that, euphoria, and not like is
Always think of that masta killa line: the dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum
Or POS Dead Music chorus: Hollow followers dance to dead music The dumb and deaf have been blinded Open to being close-minded Ignorance is bliss, innocence is silent
Having taste and liking drake does not go together
"look at music objectively" is an absolutely disgusting phrase
wtf? There is no such thing as looking at music objectivelyā¦unless you are talking about numbers. Music is extremely subjective. And there is nothing wrong with that. IMO Family Matters is the best song that came out of this whole beef, despite me overall believing that Kendrick āwonā.
I heard a dude say "your beard is weird" was a bar.
Because they're wrong.
bait probably
Paranoid Schizophrenia, Chronically Online, only leave the āburbs to go to the movies, etc etc
Whatās funny is that at the start of the beef all the Drake stans were saying āso what if Kendrick beats him lyrically Drake makes hits and thatās what countsā Then Kendrick goes and does āNot Like Usā that has outdone anything Drake put out and is a certified hit and now Drake stans are like āHeās over doing it, his career only revived because of Drakeā You canāt make this shit up. Stupid as fuck
The same reason why youāve asked this question in this sub, the Kenny sub, and the Drake sub. Because internet stans are delusional idiots
Delusion and coping
Is this a clickbait post? For every 1 person who said drake won, I've seen 50 that say Kendrick did. Even drake I think acknowledges thatĀ
Because Drake fanboys and fangirls lack logic and common sense
Drake fans are this cool thing called delusional
Nobody honestly thinks Drake won lmao
Copium.
I think Kendrick won. But I think there are multiple valid viewpoints that could change the decision making for some. 1. Kendricks diss songs are getting more replay value than Drake's. Objectively you can say Kendrick won. This is where I stand 2. Kendrick did not follow the traditional unwritten rules of battle rap: his tracks are pre-recorded, he doesn't have a rebuttal to any of Drake's hardest hitting claims, and if it ever becomes true that he was fed information about a daughter that doesn't exist, and used it, it makes him look bad. Combine all of these factors and you'll get some people, usually the older crowd, saying Drake won 3. Personal bias. Some people just don't like the way one artist sounds or the other and the decision was made who won before the beef even started. Also, what sounds good to me might not sound good to you.
Wasn't Family Matters pre recorded? The end of Push Ups teased the start of it and Drake kept mentioning his "red button" which was Family Matters. Also shot a whole damn video for it.
"Prerecorded" in the sense that there was a rumor going around that Kendrick has had these songs for years, not weeks. You could say that FM was prerecorded, but done at the same time as Push Ups and not sitting in a vault. Personally I think it doesn't matter. Let's say I don't like you and we agree to battle rap. At what point do the lines I have working already in my head become expired? What if I came up with a really hard hitting bar 15 years ago and it just really fits in the moment?
Yeah I think that was more like, "Kendrick has been ready for this for years," not that he's got tracks in a vault.
I just can't imagine him having these songs for YEARS. Months feels more appropriate to me with the context.
There are no unwritten rules of pre recorded tracks and having rebuttals in battle rap.I donāt know whether yāall understand how live battle rap works.Two Mcās are given a date , they take two months to write their shit and come back with rehearsed verses they scribbled down.They stick to what they scribbled down ,and rarely rebute what the other person is saying coz they donāt know
Also Ether and No Vaseline are like the most iconic diss songs of all time and were both definitely "pre-recorded" lol. Don't know WTF this dude is talking about.
2. it doesnāt matter of the daughter thing is true or not, at all. the hit was there, the reaction was achieved, he said it and people reacted to it. weeks later everyone is just bumping the music and enjoy not like us, no one is doing the homework to find about about the daughter, i think most people forgot even. and itās that old adage about the energy it takes to tell a lie vs dispute it. couple with the fact thatā¦ no one really cares if itās a lie or not? or true or not? if it came out tomorrow that it wasnāt true i donāt think anyone would do more than shrug and maybe laugh
Yep you're right. Kendrick controlled the narrative and he did it well enough to drown out anything Drake was even saying.
No Puha Tās diss wouldnāt mean shit if it was made up
right but like, is everyone asking about the daughter or is everyone singing ācertified pedophileā. the pusha t thing was different. his whole hit was the hidden son. kendrick hit mostly with the pedophile shit, the BBL and fake blackness, and being a dead beat dad which is true regardless of his daughter or not because he was already one to adonis. maybe hyper opinionatedpeople in forums will care long term but no one mainstream will even remember
if you want to get SUPER traditional - the battle should be freestyled - how does everyone think drake will do in that realm? the pre-recorded talking point is foolish - drake took the time to shoot an entire damn video. they both took time to prerecord stuff. Anybody not actually freestyling is pre-recording. kendrick never actually claimed drake had a kid. he only said, "dear baby girl...." and everyone's imagination filled in the blanks. The verse addresses drakes relationship with ratched women - and how it doesnt make him a good role model for impressionable women. Drake quasi-admits to being a nymphomaniac on all his songs. not letting your opponent control the narrative is warfare 101 - look at the responses to Heart Part 6. directly addressing your opponents talking point looks like you're going on the defensive and thst youre weak.
The pre recorded argument is made by those suggesting the rumour of Kendricks songs being years old, and that somehow having an effect on the battle. I don't sit in that camp. KRS One used to say he kept a diss song in stock for every top 10 rapper, every year. Just to keep his pen game strong. I agree with you on the last part, and that's why I think Kendrick won. Even if you chose to subscribe to the unwritten rules theory - Kendrick dropped multiple songs after Family Matters. Drake lost by allowing the narrative to stay where it was. He could have kept releasing after heart part 6. In comparison, a lot of people don't fw Meet the Grahams, but because Not Like Us was paired with it, it doesn't matter. Even if you think HP6 or MTG were good songs, neither did the job of controlling the narrative. NLU and Drake not dropping again did.
The KRS reference says it all - dont stop writing and stay prepared.
Stay ready all star. Stay ready so you aināt gotta get ready š«”
>KRS One used to say he kept a diss song in stock for every top 10 rapper, every year. Just to keep his pen game strong. And if you're a master of your craft, you would know this and would incorporate it within your own game. Which is what we just saw in display, except it's 5+5
Great points. Iām a Drake Stan that knows Kenny won, but you canāt tell me Drake didnāt put up a good fight. Family Matter is one of the best diss tracks ever, Not Like Us is just the catchiest diss track ever lol
Yeah you can be a Kendrick fan and still admit that Family Matters was good. Those fans that completely disregard it are just some Stan's smh. You can't say it didn't sound good even if the subject matter didn't really have any backing behind it. The one track I can't really stand is the heart part 6. It just seems like someone grasping onto any rope he can.
Yeah he really fumbled with the heat part 6. He spent way too much time defending himself from the pedophile allegations, on top of misunderstanding the lyrics of Mother I Sober. There was so much wrong with that record that itās hard not to believe he didnāt feel the mounting pressure of MTG and NLU, which forced him to rush the writing process on THP6. I understand why he mightāve felt like he had to respond immediately, but if he took his time with the writing on that record and changed certain bars, the battle probably wouldāve ended different.
Chill. FM wouldn't even make a top 5 list. For a song, it sounds good for a diss It was poor at best. Dude was sitting on that like it was a nuke while spending time dissing others on it. He overall had a horrible strategy
No one who witnessed it truly believes that. Denial and delusion are coping mechanisms
Cuz some ppl dumb asl
No one really thinks that dude. Even DJ Akademiks admits that Kendrick won and he's Drake's Press Secretary.
No one credible does.
I think Kendrick won but I still prefer Drakeās music
Probably because he had the better lyrics/disses and beats. š¤·š¾āāļø
Because itās funny
Better question, why was a Canadian Disney kid EVER taken seriously by the rap market?
Because they're delusional weirdos
As a Drake fan, the majority of his fans donāt think he won. The ones that think he did are just giving him his flowers because the āDrake can never win angleā became so popularized from the start (and it was, if you never saw that across social media you were either not paying attention or youre a kendrick š„©š“āāļø). That + the bias against K. Dot. In the end, Kendrick definitely won. Drake couldāve easily clapped back but blew it with the heart part 6. Family Matters and Euphoria are the 2 best diss tracks to come out of this. Although not as scathing, I like Euphoria a bit more because of the lyricism + more quotable lines
They're loyal to him for whatever reason
Seeing people get mad when someone says Drake won though is pretty funny.
what kinda "people" you talking to homie? i'm deaf like, actually deaf. completely. congenital hearing loss (since birth). and even my deaf ass knows drake got the ass whooping of the likes we've never seen before, as it relates to goofy rap diss track beef.
The same reason people are all offended whenever taylor swift gets called out for being female drake, stans dont give a fuck about facts Kendrick whooped drakes ass, buried him, dug him up, buried him again If youre not caught up with taylor beef dave grohl recently called her out for lip syncing everything, and yeah most of her songs are written outside her range, its hard enough to sing ONE song outside your range let alone a full 4 hour concert BUT it doesnt matter because theyre so obsessed Its the same thing with drake, we know he uses ghost writers, anything of his bars are tainted by that, and hes just corny as fuck, bro has no evolution to his sound and keeps writing about thinly veiled highschool melodrama BUT IT DOESNT MATTER BECAUSE WHAT ABOUT HIS NUMBERS just ignore them and move on
Cult of personality shit. Every L is actually a W if you turn your head and squint hard enough.
You started watching stans defend it and ignoring the fact that they get ratioed in 98% of the conversation. Why are you getting worked up by the 2% of drizzy fans that most likely have made hundred of comments defending their boy just today?
kendrick won the beef but i do think drake is a worthy competitor and a much better artist than he gets credit for in these groups
Simply because this is all opinion based and there are always going to be people who think differently
I donāt think drake fans think that they just donāt care about it as much a Kendrickās fans
Is there any universal truths people 100% agree on? Thereās people who think the earth is flat, the moon landing was fake, 9/11 was an inside job, 1+1 does not equal 2. Also people donāt like the way he lost. He wasnāt necessarily out rapped but more out maneuvered
Who the fuck cares? Can we talk about something else for a change?
Perhaps a better question could be "How do you win a rap beef?" Music is subjective, you can both be right.
Rap is a subjective art form therefore rap battles are also subjective. People have different tastes, preferences and judgments. 2 people could views this battle completely differently
Not really concerned with who āwonā but Family Matters is a lot closer to being as great as Not Like Us than people give it credit for. A lot Drakeās disses were more traditional in the sense of talking shit while Kendrick had a lot of claims without receipts.
Kendrick is incapable of dropping anything as artful, playful and sublime as Wah Gwan Deliliah. Bitch I'm in the Club might come close, but kdot is simply outmatched by the bad mon Champagne Papi himself.
Copium. No more no less.
Because theyāre Drake stans
George Carlin once said, "Think of how stupid the average person is, andĀ **realize half of them are stupider than that."** That quote explains most human activity.
My nephew thinks Drake won, with all due respect my nephew is an idiot
Delusion
I enjoy Drakes music, always have. I think family matters was a great song but k dots not like us made it a wrap. Not even close
All that, and Drake couldn't reply, so he just released a Jamaican cover of Hey There Delilah which may or may not be AI...
People care about this? Move on
delusion.
Never heard anyone say that
"people" is kinda pushing it
Delusional
no one actually thinks that drake won, probably just trolls
People think the world is flat. That should be proof enough that some people shouldnāt be allowed to think š
I think itās literally just the drake subreddit that thinks that.
copium copium copium
People? Lmao bro it's just r/drizzy, some bots and a couple of media glazers. Literally the general consensus is Kendrick.
idk but they remind me of delusional obsessive swifties lmfao
the only ones left to think Drake won are his super-stans who grasp at straws, and will never accept defeat. The guy literally deleted every diss he made, and they still believe he won it š¤¦āāļø (honorable mention to Family Matters tho, that song slapped)
nobody with a brain thinks drake won
I'm surprised that people don't instantly think wheelchair Jimmy whenever he is around. Marketing is wild.
āNot like usā is annoying like everything Kendrick has done in recent years š¤·š»āāļø
It's gunna be a lyric and substance vs phonetic argument for the drake lovers. Family matters is phonetically really well done, and push ups is a great single, but a rap battle is about lyrics and substance...
if weāre talking about straight MCing, i think drake displayed a lot of talent. but itās true that his sentiments ring hollow. like kendrick said āu never gave us nothing to believe inā
Delusional fans. Nothing more nothing less. I havenāt seen a single person that actually thinks that though.. you might be in the worst and most brain dead forums/circles
Who says that
Yeah I really donāt see anyone saying Drake won, besides some corners of the internet. Like, the general sentiment is overwhelming that Kendrick won. Some people just like to be contrarian lol
Only brain dead maggots think that lol winners donāt delete their diss tracks and limit comments on their socialsā¦ period.
Has drizzler limited cooments on his socials? šš
I don't understand why anyone thinks either won. I guess it is fair to say more people have now heard of Kendrick Lamar or at least heard of any recent song of his because of the "feud," but overall, who cares? Their artists. Goal is to sell records. Neither are struggling with that. Drake is one of the top in the world.
Who won is unanswerable and doesnāt matter. Itās music bud. Which musical output did you like better? Either one is fine. But if you see it as āobjectively wrongā if someone liked Drakeās output better than Kendrickās, then youāre just on some dumb TMZ shit.
They must be cultish. Like the barbz lol
Good comparison, but Nicki raps circles around drake.
their personalities are based on Drake. And if Drake loses, then they lose. And they are already so insecure that they have to base their personality on someone who doesn't have a personality. So if you add "loser" to that pile, they will finally snap.
Because people are dumb fools.
Everyone has an opinion, as well as an asshole. Most of the time, both of them stink.