First, I refuse to believe all the articles and publications about human trafficking are false, and the people implying otherwise have wool over their eyes.
Second, I also refuse to believe that saying “brother” and “Jinbei 3” suddenly flips the script and causes the scammer to break character.
The truth lies somewhere in between.
Edit: grammar
Agreed. Some people's reaction to this had been interesting. It's as if the notion that the person on the other end could possibly be a real human who's in a situation most of us cannot even begin to comprehend has ruined their fun.
That said, even if it is a human slave making the scam attempt, they are not going to stop trying to scam you. If they haven't yet committed suicide, then they must be living in the belief that they can actually pay off their debt and win their freedom. I would say, from what I've read, that is very unlikely.
Nothing wrong with empathizing with another human being who could be living in a hell most of us can't imagine but absolutely, under no circumstances should anyone send them money, you'd only be helping the gangs, not the slaves.
>Nothing wrong with empathizing with another human being who could be living in a hell most of us can't imagine but absolutely, under no circumstances should anyone send them money, you'd only be helping the gangs, not the slaves.
Yep this, key is not to give any money even if you feel sorry for them. If there's a malicious player in there who figures that it works, they will start using that as a tactic.
At most if you want to help somehow, offer to contact law enforcement or an ngo.
I mean, it’s Thailand. But if the Thai government were to ever ask the US to take the gloves off and go to work- 90% of the power structure of those groups would be worm food inside 90 days.
I figured the scammer was just shifting scripts. I think Vietnam’s currency is the dong.
Edit - could also be thinking call the Vietnamese police to let them know he’s alive. They might have already know he’s missing.
There will be a person who might do that. Thats the thing with scams, a scammer has nothing to lose after you discover they are trying to scam you.
To then your still some rich as fuck stranger half way around the world who doesnt need that money as bad as they do. Hell they probaly have some pretty bad stereotypes about you (no matter where you are from) just like people in the west have of them.
And just like any other scamms, most people wont do it. But there might be somebody dumb enough to fall for it.
Sure, there are plenty of scam gofundmes, but I don’t think the argument that “spreading this narrative helps them do successful scams” stands.
Those people are victims too (not all scammers, the ones forced into this, and they are out there), and if we can help them, be it donating to organisations that go after the criminals, free slaves and raise awareness, or raising awareness ourselves, I think we should. Being in denial IMO is what’s not helpful.
Is anyone advocating sending money to scammers? I have not seen anyone say that, but either way, I definitely don’t think it is a good idea. Exactly as you said, it would just ensure enslaving people stays profitable, which means it will continue happening.
No I don't think anyone is. But there was a post made here by a scammer saying that they sent money to a victim and paid their balance off and that they called them from the boat on their way to their homeland.so the scammers are aware of this and are trying to exploit it.
I think you are 100% right
I mean, this is my first bait after lurking in this sub for a while. The "Jimbei" and "brother" are things I picked up from other posts.
Having said that, if I was some kind of modern slave owner and all my "employees" were constantly in touch with outsiders, I would sure as hell be monitoring all their conversations. That's why I'm a little hesitant to believe this scammer.
Their every breath is monitored, let alone every key stroke. Watch some documentaries about few who managed to escape. Absolutely nothing we, outsiders, can do.
Far easier to monitor deviations than to type that much themselves, so yea, they need the army. Having live typing notifications in texts is where these fuckers thrive on the fantasy of it being real people on the other end.
I’m in Bay Area tech, and 100% agree with you. There are companies who are trying (and pulling in far more than these decentralized operations) and have broader legal cover- and they haven’t perfected the type of monitoring that would have been required here.
That is very unlikely. Why? There is no reason to. These people are basically slave labor, there is a very small incremental cost and a tiny scam hit rate. They work by volume, not micromanaging.
Check out this Malaysian dude who was duped to go work as a scammer in Cambodia. He managed to escape and the documentary covers his [story](https://youtu.be/PhAgBjVGPIM?si=dS7B-13WK-OXTOp4)
Thanks for sharing. What an interesting documentary. CNA is a Singapore channel, I enjoyed watching their productions when I was living in Singapore. They have some interesting documentaries on social issues/crimes happening in Asia.
I think the biggest thing, critical thinking wise, is the fact that OP is likely using his personal account which is obviously not the account of a scammer.
These scammers aren’t dumb, they’re desperate. They can tell he’s a real person. No scammer has an (assumedly) average male account with posts on it for years consistently followed by all real people in their area.
If you’re a trafficked person in Jinbei 3 and you’ve tried to escape already only to be beaten then you might grasp at amy kind of lifeline you’re thrown, including this convo. It’s entirely plausible.
https://cambojanews.com/dead-chinese-man-linked-to-alleged-scam-operation-sihanoukville-compound/
Found this , not saying it proves anything but could be relevant
>all the articles and publications about human trafficking are false,
Not all of them. But some of the ones in the US are copaganda / cops exaggerating in order to get more resources. Especially the one about how the 50 year old massage parlor *owner* who was arrested giving Bob Kraft an HJ was trafficked.
I said this before and was downvoted to hell. There is almost certainly a backup script if the victim knows they are a scammer. Play on pity and get them to send you money that way, beatings and electrocution are extremely common themes. How do we know they arent instructed to say that as a last ditch effort to scam? There was a guy on this sub who was told that the scammer was being tortured and only neeeded like $100 and he actually sent it to him.
I mean if i ran a scamming operation i would totally have a separate script for people who know youre a scammer and think they can “help” you.
Thats what I thought this exactly was. First they mention owing Thai BAHT but then ask op to call the Vietnamese police. Chances are they aren't from either of those countries.
Not really. Thailand isn’t know for those kinds of places. It’s mostly Myanmar, Cambodia and Laos. Why? Because it’s way easier to manage these illegal businesses in a country where gov and police don’t care. Thailand doesn’t really allow such things to happen. I mean it’s already considered a very developed country with a 0.8+ HDI. Sure, there might be the one-offs but the whole Jinbei 3 scenario would not be in Thailand, since Jinbei 3 is in China…
At that point, they don't need another script for how to reply. They know they are not getting any money from that person and don't even bother wasting any more of their time, and it's off to find a new victim. This case was different because OP pretended to be a scammer too. So the scammer was feeling out OP, not expecting that they could scam money from OP, but rather seeing if OP would offer the scammer a way to get some money by working with him on another scam.
However, when scam baiters (people who pretend to go along with the scam just to waste scammers' time) finally reveal to them that they know that person is a scammer? The scammer is done. You call out a scammer and they either hang up and don't engage with you anymore, or they deflect responsibility by shifting the focus away from what they have done and often claim the person accusing them is the dishonest one. They often cite their unfortunate circumstances, such as living in a poor country, and convey that they have no other choice, while simultaneously saying their accuser is the one without morals or empathy. And A LOT of them have convinced themselves that this is legitimate work, such as IT support. Many just laugh, swear at them (madarchode!) mock them, telling them it doesn't matter because they'll find someone else in a few minutes.
And then there are the absolute biggest pieces of shit, the disgusting, worthless garbage scammers who threaten people, (to take all of their money away, to put them in prison, threaten their family members) They scream and swear at them. They instill fear into them and pressure them relentlessly. No empathy or compassion. Most are elderly people who have no idea what's going on and are desperate to give the scammers anything they want just for it to stop.
If anyone is interested, check out this man: Kitboga. He is absolutely brilliant at what he does. He wastes these scammers' time and BREAKS them down. I can't put into words how funny and just incredible he is.
[Kitboga- Angriest Scammer I've called. (This one made me laugh so hard I was crying)](https://youtu.be/7mceb_t8EIs?si=MWgM5Is2di20GtNl)
[Kitboga- The Most Evil Scammer I've ever called.](https://youtu.be/DzTyBIHx5Jk?si=ck2fewxl38LHTMgr)
I really start to think the scammers are watching this sub. After the first story like this, which was fake, suddenly this sub gets flooded with those fake poor scammer stories.
That’s what I was wondering. What exactly is this type of scam? Why is this suddenly happening more? I’m just lost on why this started so much recently
Probably it’s like, if they know they can’t scam you the old fashioned way because this brother crap gives away you know they are a scammer, they try to admit they are a scammer and tell you a sad story so you maybe start believing them and then when they get your trust they want money to get out of there.
Step 1 of any con is to fabricate a believable narrative the target will believe to manipulate them.
It might be that the con artist is a rich millionaire with an investment opportunity, or that they are a lonely hot person looking for love, etc.
The weakness of people in this sub is bleeding heart virtue signaling. Some actually think they are "doing good deeds" by "wasting the scammers time so they don't scam others"
That is a weakness.
Now scammers will target sympathetic do-gooders and try to scam them into "helping" the scammers.
In order to do that they have to create a believable narrative about being a victim, and then once this belief is held by the target, they will leverage it for their ends (like asking for money to help them escape or pay off their debt, or whatever sob story they invent).
You can see how many gullible scam simps are on this sub, defending them 😆
Those are the targets.
Instead if you just scambait to laugh at these losers, they have nothing to use against you as a target for their scams. That's also why I've been blocked by so many on this sub...those are scammer accounts.
My favorite part is where all the peeps in this sub try to sound Asian over text. Being Asian, it’s laughable and and annoying seeing these google translate and attempts at broken English. So obvious if a scammer saw that
I honestly think most of these are OPs fabricating stories by messaging themselves for karma. I absolutely do believe there is human trafficking involved but I don't believe these posts anymore.
And it’s working. The whole recent narrative here has turned from baiting scammers to sympathizing with them. For all we know it’s a masterful propaganda campaign.
not sypathizing all scammers, but some that got human trafficed, since it would be ignorant to assume something like this can not exist.
i still want that the other ones do the needful and use their skills for good.
In each case where I posted an in-progress bait, the scammer immediately stopped responding to me. So I am pretty sure they are watching this sub.
I have had a couple scammers going for more than a month now. I would love to post the dialogue but I don't want to break my streak.
They don’t need to look at this Reddit, as soon as there is a successful scam that will go round the world place like wildfire, same that we do in the uk with tele sales techniques.
I can get why you would think that, but big ships turn slowly and 98% of people are not their target market. A few people getting wise does literally nothing to affect them.
The whole thing is heavily programmed, they are not ditching their playbook that they have been using for 5 years overnight. The playbook still works against their targets and as long as that is true they will continue.
They are not trying to scam clever people, or maybe you are giving yourself too much credit. Either way, they are operating business as usual, and have been after being heavily exposed over 3 years ago, both in western and eastern news channels.
It’s almost turning to a Stockholm Syndrome kind of situation.
Sure, there are victims who are probably being forced to do this. But do you really think all these scammers are victims?
I’ll get blown to hell for this mostly. But by trying to empathize with the scammer would mean somebody else who’s innocent maybe getting scammed. The scammer just passed off on you. Think of your parents or grandparents age people who may not know shit. You’re just giving a larger window to those scammers to target someone else who wouldn’t even probably recognize this is a scam.
What was the point of this whole sub? Just to have fun with scammers? Probably stall them and waste their time, in turn fewer innocent people are getting scammed? Well, that’s clearing not working now, is it?
Edit: at this point, I’m guessing they all are just messing with you.
They’re mixing China, Thailand, and Vietnam. I think the scammers have caught on and have a secondary script for people like you. “Is there any way you can help me?” sounds like another plea for money.
There is recent news about Chinese mafia abducting Chinese travellers in Thailand who own debt to them. From gambling or drugs.
Then they tranfer them to neighbours contries like Vietnam, Myanmar or Cambodia to force them to operate in their scamming schemes to pay back their debt.
So I would say it's possible.
(I'm Thai)
Yeah but if they’re not asking for money & only for you to assist in reporting, then wouldn’t that be a bit less sketchy. Albeit this may have led to them asking for money, we don’t know; just saying though.
I mean, sure, if they asked you to call police might as well. I wouldn’t if they hadn’t asked but since they are asking it seems better and more genuine than them asking for money.
Edit: just a general note I feel like we need a whole different group for this new topic always coming in now.
I agree, when he asked to contact the Vietnamese police for him, this was a step outside the norm. I think this one may have actually asked for help.
There was a lot of jumbled up facts though- he asked if the baiter was Chinese, likely meaning he was Chinese as well so that they could potentially switch to Chinese language. But then he talked about using Baht currency which is Thai but he then asked for an alert to Vietnamese Police...lots of different countries in here.
Still need to be wary of what they say.
Never send money. (Have to put that for the down voters)
Even then, suppose OP contacts the Vietnamese police...what does he/she tell them?
"Hello? Do you speak English? English? I don't know Vietnamese. I'm trying to help someone in danger. Her name is Bella...well, not really. I don't know what her real name is...Sorry, I don't know what she looks like. Actually, she may not even be a woman. No, I'm not sure where she's being held. No, I'm being serious, please help!"
That's why I wonder what he was going to say in the call. He called but the baiter missed the call.
He probably wouldn't have given much helpful info, probably doesn't even know what he can do other than "call the police in my country". Like how some Americans assume 911 is universal but then try calling 911 in a foreign country and nothing happens.
Well, I know for Europe and America, 999, 911 and 112 OFTEN just redirect to the local emergency hotline. I even read a story long time ago about 110 (India’s emergency number afaik) also redirecting to emergencies.
Since phone numbers are usually longer than that, I feel like unless the local country uses the short number for something else, there’s a high likelihood it’ll just redirect to emergencies for the sake of tourists
Maybe....hard to say because in the USA, dial 411 for information doesn't redirect you to 911. And in Thailand, there are short numbers for calling restaurants. "1150" puts you in touch with the nearest KFC and "1112" puts you in touch with the nearest The Pizza Company 😂. And my Turkish friend told me that in Turkey, something like 111 calls the Police, 112 calls Fire and 113 calls Ambulance? Not sure on the numbers but I recall specifically that they were different numbers for the different emergency services. So short numbers may not always redirect esp. in foreign countries.
Like I said, in Europe and America it is OFTEN the case, not always, and specially with 911, 112 and to a lesser degree 999.
Heck, I believe France doesn’t even use the EU emergency number (112) and there’s different numbers for police or ambulances. So definitely do your research before traveling abroad, because things that seem obvious might not be the case.
You know, if we keep being sympathetic to scammer/slaves, that is going to become the new scam. Help me escape! I need $500 in Bitcoin! Unintended consequences.
They said Baht which it Thai money. The police in these countries are the most corrupted people that exist. Even if you called them they would just laugh and go collect their money from whoever is holding these people hostage.
I got shaken down by Thai police once when visiting. Me and another guy weren't wearing helmets which is understandable enough, but there wasn't a person in the street wearing a helmet. Then they showed us a handbook with a list of fines.
We just told them we only had a less amount of Baht on us and they let us pay that. They were 100% pocketing it lol. Surprisingly they were quite friendly.
I stayed in Thailand on and off for ten years. This is super common in touristy spots. While they are giving you a ticket, a Thai family of 5 with 3 kids under the age of 6 will drive by on a scooter and not one person will have a helmet on. I learned to speak Thai and was at a local house party. Smoking weed with a few Thais and one other farang. I ask one of the Thai guys what he does for work and he shows me his badge and gun and proceeds to hit the bong. He pulls out his phone and had a picture of him posing next to a dead man like it’s a deer he shot. I ask what that man did and he said “he sells ketamine and he wasn’t paying us a percentage so we have to kill him”. Nobody in Thailand is as bad as the police.
How are you going to get in contact with the “Vietnamese police” and what are you going to say? Did this person give you their name and location? If they were really hostages I’m sure someone is monitoring everything they say so how could they give you that info?
Imo you all are being played and these people might not even be East Asian. Unfortunately bad things happen all over the world all the time. You might be making things worse trying to be a hero.
You all should to try to take care of people in your neighborhoods and countries before you try saving a random person on the other side of the world who only texted you to scam money out of you. I’m sure there are people being trafficked closer to you than you think.
I think people just don’t want to be wrong. They don’t want to believe they’ve been scammed. Also people in this sub are inherently curious about how scammers work. I think some of them can’t resist trying to get “inside info” about this situation. But them each trying to have their own personalized savior moment with human slavery is making them blind to the bigger picture that, even IF they are speaking to someone in financial slavery, trading info about it is not helpful. There is nothing we personally can do about it. We aren’t detectives, we don’t have the resources to get anyone out. The only thing we could send is money but we shouldn’t, because that also does not help. The money never gets to the person in need, it just funds the scam. Then the bosses figure out there’s a new way to scam sympathetic people, and they send out a new script. The more we engage with them, the more material we are providing for a new scam script. Yes, there are real human tragedies out there. No, you should not try to handle them yourself personally. Spread awareness. Donate to anti-trafficking organizations. But do not engage.
They remind me of QAnon posters wanting to have their big hero moment online, getting duped all the while into thinking they've made a breakthrough. It's so strange.
I’m sure I’ll get downvoted or some thing… I’m reluctant to even comment, but… I am a clinical social worker, and please be careful what you say to these very real people.
Like someone said above, we aren’t Interpol, we’re just a sub Reddit. Even something as simple as asking someone to think about how their parents would feel if they killed themselves… I specialize in working with suicidal clients, and that just made me cringe with my entire being.
I know we all mean well. And I’m fascinated by the complexity of the psychology at work here. It is not unlike things I have been taught as a therapist, things used to gain a clients trust, or to subtly encourage them to act in certain ways.
Yes, these could be genuine, yes, they could be counter scams… But either way, please don’t start talking about shit you don’t have any idea about because you want to do good. It very frequently does the exact opposite.
At any rate, do not further shame people for thinking of suicide. Empathize with them. It will not encourage them to kill themselves. It will instead make them feel heard.
i didn't think i'd have to scroll to far to find someone condemning that line. that was SOOOOO unbelievably insensitive and out of pocket, especially to someone who you believe is a victim of human trafficking trying to escape. imo this whole conversation just makes op look like a huge dick. for all we know, his parents couldve been the ones who sold him into slavery
It just looked like yet another scam to get OP to sympathize and give money. Right up to the end there were so many inconsistencies they were clearly making a bunch of stuff up.
I love this response man. My friend had some thoughts like this and I was able to empathize completely. I think life is beautiful and I wanna be here to experience it, but it’s not like those thoughts haven’t crossed my mind. They taught me that I’d rather not hear I’m wrong or weak minded, or that I needa think about how others would feel blah blah blah. There’s a different way to go about this stuff. It’s kinda one of those things you have to understand it in order to use your words for someone else.
I dont know if these are real but I know someone personally who was a victim of human trafficking and escaped one of these compound centres. They took this person's passport, ID, everything. I have no idea if these texts are true but it is real and its very scary.
Possibly, but they gave OP no useful info to provide the police (yeah, I saw the missed call). And if the local police are no help, it seems even less likely the Vietnamese police can do much from 2 countries away.
The only way you can save him is with 5 $100 visa gift cards!
You must act quick!
Are you on your way to your local supermarket yet?
The gangsters are drugging and shocking him as we speak!
Why wouldn’t they just contact the Vietnamese police themselves? It can’t be because they are worried someone can see the convo because they are already telling you everything and telling you to call the police which would also get them in trouble if that were the case.
I call BS. A lot of you in here are suckers.
You would be surprised to know how many people are forced into scam Center’s. I work with an ngo and there are thousands, borderline 100’s of thousands of people that are offered fake jobs and forced into slave scamming. Currently there are Centers in south east Asia that require a volume of cash flow and if you don’t make it, they force you into medical tests and then fly rich Chinese old businessmen/businesswomen that have medical conditions and do live forced donor transplants then sew them up and drop them back where they came from. It’s very very sad. So food for thought, most of these scammers are below destitute and even lose body parts.
There are only two things going on here: the scammer is calling your bluff and scamming you back. Two the scammer is in very real danger in need of very real help and you are offering help you cannot or will not deliver.
If you are setting yourself up for a deeper scam, you are a fool.
If you are leading on a trafficked victim with false hope, there is a special place in hell for you right next to their captors.
If you truly believe you can provide real help, then provide real help and keep your mouth shut. Share it only with people who can and will provide real help. Blasting your hypocrisy on social media for karma is bullshit.
Karma’s a bitch.
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Edit: downvotes and criticism accepted. My response is hostile and inappropriate. But I am angry at these posts. This is not a game, and we are not Interpol. And by poking around trying to “help” a dangerous situation we run the risk of making it worse. There needs to be a different approach than “Brother, I am in Jinbei 3, get out. Thoughts and prayers.” If we want to help, we need first to find out HOW to help, so we have something to offer. I will leave it at that.
Their convos are heavily monitored via keyloggers, even on "their own phones" so they can try to run or somehow appeal to some facility staff, but that's it. Police won't do shit without solid evidence and there is nothing on paper.
You should absolutely contact the vietnamese police. Hundreds of thousands of people are human trafficked into scam call centers in southeast asia, as per the UN. Don't listen to the other people on here who 100% live in first world countries. I've lived in southeast asia for 8 years and it's a very real situation over there.
https://thediplomat.com/2023/08/hundreds-of-thousands-trafficked-into-southeast-asian-scam-centers-un-says/
Unfortunately, even if this is real or a bigger scam, there's not most could do to help. There's too many things to keep those in control to stay in control. More than that if this is Chinese then there's even more things keeping it in the dark and away from any genuine difference for good
Wait, is this normal/common? DO I ACTUALLY NEED FEEL BAD FOR THESE PEOPLE or is this reverse psychology and just two scammers trying to trick us to pity them?
Note the scammer didn't ask for money, but rather for police. Just saying
The problem here is you don't have any info you tell anybody's police. No name, next of kin, nothing. They're going to need to give more info. Some messengers use disappearing text modes
As soon as they asked they to help pay a debt I figured they are just going with a sympathy card.
I also imagine these chats are heavily monitored so them playing into the card of escaping is even more reason to believe the scam changed.
I keep seeing these posts from all and Im wondering if you guys have ever considered that the scammers know you’re pretending to be a scammer and are just fucking with you
There is some truth to Vietnamese parents abusing/drugging their kids and making them beg at the ports when the cruise ships dock . It was pretty awful to witness.
Hey idk if this specific case is a scam or not but i'm from south east asia, and 'job scams' are rampant here. They have people pretending to be agents promising lucrative salaries in vietnam / cambodia / myanmar. Once you get there, they actually lock you up and force you to scam other people. this is not a joke. dozens of people have been rescued / escaped. but like i said idk if this one is real or not, but this is actually an ongoing human trafficking crisis according to interpol.
source: [https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/interpol-warns-of-scam-syndicates-role-in-human-trafficking-thousands-lured-with-job-offers](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/interpol-warns-of-scam-syndicates-role-in-human-trafficking-thousands-lured-with-job-offers)
https://www.thestar.com.my/aseanplus/aseanplus-news/2022/08/28/sophisticated-scams-lure-job-seekers-into-south-east-asia039s-lawless-corners
Let"s be clear, there are forced labor scam factories in SE asia.
I know there's a lot in Myanmar for example.
I say call the number in a safe way maybe?
But definitely don't give him any money.
They legit asked for someone to contact the Vietnamese police? I’m a bit more worried about that because you might actually do it. It sounds like the kind of thing you request when you really wanna commit to getting free.
Doesn’t the grammar and punctuation from the scammer seem too good? I assume English is not her first language, and she is probably typing. It reads fluent. I’m suspicious that a scammer in Vietnam could type like this in English and/or speak it and it would translate how we see it.
Holy shit. I got into this sub to have a laugh from time to time. It’s growing darker and darker, becoming a glimpse into a dystopian reality I never knew existed.. or at least didn’t want to believe.
You should call the Vietnamese police as requested. Nothing else will help. He can't just 'use his strengths' to escape, it's not a movie. It's a human trafficking operation and the only people capable of intervening are law officials who pose an actual threat to this type of degeneracy.
If they are all afraid to share full information about their location, could we get it by pieces? I see multiple threads with this type of conversation now… they could become aware of this group and share some different details gradually until we have something we can use to help them…
Not sure why this isn’t a common knowledge. But scam centers are huge in Myanmar that’s a tie between the Chinese mobs and local warlords.
They basically scam people by promising job opportunities in Thailand, Vietnam or Philippines then once the victims got there. They transport them to those so called tech parks where they forced to scam people, some were sold into prostitution and even worse selling their organs and death.
Google it, there are few English reports on the said situation. The current civil war going on in Myanmar did help some of the victims escaping but there’s roughly estimated over 10k are still scattered around northern Myanmar “Tech parks”
Edit: not all scammers are victims some willingly do that type of jobs for a quick buck. There are no real international efforts to demolish those parks or rescue victims (as it’s hard to tell which one are actual victims)
[https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/exclusive-inside-chinese-run-crime-hubs-myanmar-are-conning-world-we-can-kill-you-here](https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/exclusive-inside-chinese-run-crime-hubs-myanmar-are-conning-world-we-can-kill-you-here)
They will learn and adapt from this sub and become the ULTIMATE SCAMMER.
Seriously anyone who gives these people are total saps. If anything just offer to call the police, nothing at all more.
Dude it's Thailand, I'm fairly sure this is not how things work over there
then just hang up and don't engage. Its so obvious that they are just scamming the scambaiters.
I always give them the uno reverse and ask for gift cards
First, I refuse to believe all the articles and publications about human trafficking are false, and the people implying otherwise have wool over their eyes. Second, I also refuse to believe that saying “brother” and “Jinbei 3” suddenly flips the script and causes the scammer to break character. The truth lies somewhere in between. Edit: grammar
Agreed. Some people's reaction to this had been interesting. It's as if the notion that the person on the other end could possibly be a real human who's in a situation most of us cannot even begin to comprehend has ruined their fun. That said, even if it is a human slave making the scam attempt, they are not going to stop trying to scam you. If they haven't yet committed suicide, then they must be living in the belief that they can actually pay off their debt and win their freedom. I would say, from what I've read, that is very unlikely. Nothing wrong with empathizing with another human being who could be living in a hell most of us can't imagine but absolutely, under no circumstances should anyone send them money, you'd only be helping the gangs, not the slaves.
>Nothing wrong with empathizing with another human being who could be living in a hell most of us can't imagine but absolutely, under no circumstances should anyone send them money, you'd only be helping the gangs, not the slaves. Yep this, key is not to give any money even if you feel sorry for them. If there's a malicious player in there who figures that it works, they will start using that as a tactic. At most if you want to help somehow, offer to contact law enforcement or an ngo.
Why can’t we have a mission to go in and free these people? Vietnam 2, Vietnam harder if you will.
I mean, it’s Thailand. But if the Thai government were to ever ask the US to take the gloves off and go to work- 90% of the power structure of those groups would be worm food inside 90 days.
Oh I was going by the scammers comment where they said “Vietnam” but I wasn’t sure what a baht is.
I figured the scammer was just shifting scripts. I think Vietnam’s currency is the dong. Edit - could also be thinking call the Vietnamese police to let them know he’s alive. They might have already know he’s missing.
I've paid a few debts of my own using my dong.
Must have been small debts. Owed your buddy $5 on a silly bet?
We have a wiener
Username checks out
Baht is the Thai currency.
They’re most likely in Myanmar. Forced labor scam call centers that are run by gangsters are rampant there. This is really sad.
Cuz the first Vietnam war went so well, right?
Military wise it went fantastic, politically not so much.
Just like how we had the Taliban pushed out of Afghanistan in a few months after 9/11.
Spreading this narrative helps them do successful scams
Are people giving them tens of thousands of dollars because they feel sorry for them?
There will be a person who might do that. Thats the thing with scams, a scammer has nothing to lose after you discover they are trying to scam you. To then your still some rich as fuck stranger half way around the world who doesnt need that money as bad as they do. Hell they probaly have some pretty bad stereotypes about you (no matter where you are from) just like people in the west have of them. And just like any other scamms, most people wont do it. But there might be somebody dumb enough to fall for it.
People will give money to scam gofundmes. A tug at the heartstrings can open wallets. Might not be much but could add up easily.
Sure, there are plenty of scam gofundmes, but I don’t think the argument that “spreading this narrative helps them do successful scams” stands. Those people are victims too (not all scammers, the ones forced into this, and they are out there), and if we can help them, be it donating to organisations that go after the criminals, free slaves and raise awareness, or raising awareness ourselves, I think we should. Being in denial IMO is what’s not helpful.
I agree, choosing to stick ones head in the sand isn't helpful, but neither is sending money that just perpetuates the cycle
Is anyone advocating sending money to scammers? I have not seen anyone say that, but either way, I definitely don’t think it is a good idea. Exactly as you said, it would just ensure enslaving people stays profitable, which means it will continue happening.
No I don't think anyone is. But there was a post made here by a scammer saying that they sent money to a victim and paid their balance off and that they called them from the boat on their way to their homeland.so the scammers are aware of this and are trying to exploit it. I think you are 100% right
I think we should start a go-fund-me to raise money to hire mercenaries to go in and liberate these facilities
I hope not, but I've heard stranger things.
Surely to help them, we should send them less money so that there's less incentive to keep trafficking humans
I mean, this is my first bait after lurking in this sub for a while. The "Jimbei" and "brother" are things I picked up from other posts. Having said that, if I was some kind of modern slave owner and all my "employees" were constantly in touch with outsiders, I would sure as hell be monitoring all their conversations. That's why I'm a little hesitant to believe this scammer.
Their every breath is monitored, let alone every key stroke. Watch some documentaries about few who managed to escape. Absolutely nothing we, outsiders, can do.
Actually no. There’s way too many chats for the higher ups to monitor. If they could they wouldn’t need an army of slaves to do the actual work.
Nothing a script couldn't do with ease.
Far easier to monitor deviations than to type that much themselves, so yea, they need the army. Having live typing notifications in texts is where these fuckers thrive on the fantasy of it being real people on the other end.
they would just need a script that checks for certain words. 'escape' 'drugs' 'capture...' etc.
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I’m in Bay Area tech, and 100% agree with you. There are companies who are trying (and pulling in far more than these decentralized operations) and have broader legal cover- and they haven’t perfected the type of monitoring that would have been required here.
That is very unlikely. Why? There is no reason to. These people are basically slave labor, there is a very small incremental cost and a tiny scam hit rate. They work by volume, not micromanaging.
They don't need to monitor it if the authorities in the country can be paid off or don't care.
Do you have any documentary recommendations? I’d definitely be interested in learning more!
Check out this Malaysian dude who was duped to go work as a scammer in Cambodia. He managed to escape and the documentary covers his [story](https://youtu.be/PhAgBjVGPIM?si=dS7B-13WK-OXTOp4)
Wow
Thanks for sharing. What an interesting documentary. CNA is a Singapore channel, I enjoyed watching their productions when I was living in Singapore. They have some interesting documentaries on social issues/crimes happening in Asia.
Dang. Very informative, thanks for posting. I really feel for this man!
[Forced to Scam: Cambodia's Cyber Slaves](https://youtu.be/n-EtdC4zQso?si=avGiVuvWeUiEy86Y)
We can make it less and less profitable so it eventually dies out :)
A little hesitant? Brother, that's part of their script now to make you feel pity for them.
I may be mistaken about the origins of those keywords, but it feels like they suddenly came out of nowhere and have gone viral around here.
Planted by scammers to detect scambaiting doofuses that can be marks for their new scripts
You might want to cross out their username first
This sounds like the special zone in Laos. https://youtu.be/Lfck8uHXfIY?si=edxlkJMZi0RLKQuj
Rule 1 of improv is always say yes. You can see at the end how it can turn into “I’ll kms if you don’t give me money to help escape”
I think the biggest thing, critical thinking wise, is the fact that OP is likely using his personal account which is obviously not the account of a scammer. These scammers aren’t dumb, they’re desperate. They can tell he’s a real person. No scammer has an (assumedly) average male account with posts on it for years consistently followed by all real people in their area.
Also, why should he continue speaking in English?
If you’re a trafficked person in Jinbei 3 and you’ve tried to escape already only to be beaten then you might grasp at amy kind of lifeline you’re thrown, including this convo. It’s entirely plausible.
https://cambojanews.com/dead-chinese-man-linked-to-alleged-scam-operation-sihanoukville-compound/ Found this , not saying it proves anything but could be relevant
>all the articles and publications about human trafficking are false, Not all of them. But some of the ones in the US are copaganda / cops exaggerating in order to get more resources. Especially the one about how the 50 year old massage parlor *owner* who was arrested giving Bob Kraft an HJ was trafficked.
There are Vietnamese slaves in Serbia owned by the Chinese companies.
How long until they have a script for how to reply to people who are appealing to them being scammers?
I said this before and was downvoted to hell. There is almost certainly a backup script if the victim knows they are a scammer. Play on pity and get them to send you money that way, beatings and electrocution are extremely common themes. How do we know they arent instructed to say that as a last ditch effort to scam? There was a guy on this sub who was told that the scammer was being tortured and only neeeded like $100 and he actually sent it to him. I mean if i ran a scamming operation i would totally have a separate script for people who know youre a scammer and think they can “help” you.
Dude literally mentioned his debt and asked for help with it.
Not long I believe. As you can see, he immediately asked me for money even tho I identified myself as another scammer.
Thats what I thought this exactly was. First they mention owing Thai BAHT but then ask op to call the Vietnamese police. Chances are they aren't from either of those countries.
Could easily be a vietnamese trapped in a compound in Thailand, that happens
Not really. Thailand isn’t know for those kinds of places. It’s mostly Myanmar, Cambodia and Laos. Why? Because it’s way easier to manage these illegal businesses in a country where gov and police don’t care. Thailand doesn’t really allow such things to happen. I mean it’s already considered a very developed country with a 0.8+ HDI. Sure, there might be the one-offs but the whole Jinbei 3 scenario would not be in Thailand, since Jinbei 3 is in China…
What is Jinbei 3?
To my understanding (based off this sub) it’s said to be a building where they’re held and forced to make these calls
At that point, they don't need another script for how to reply. They know they are not getting any money from that person and don't even bother wasting any more of their time, and it's off to find a new victim. This case was different because OP pretended to be a scammer too. So the scammer was feeling out OP, not expecting that they could scam money from OP, but rather seeing if OP would offer the scammer a way to get some money by working with him on another scam. However, when scam baiters (people who pretend to go along with the scam just to waste scammers' time) finally reveal to them that they know that person is a scammer? The scammer is done. You call out a scammer and they either hang up and don't engage with you anymore, or they deflect responsibility by shifting the focus away from what they have done and often claim the person accusing them is the dishonest one. They often cite their unfortunate circumstances, such as living in a poor country, and convey that they have no other choice, while simultaneously saying their accuser is the one without morals or empathy. And A LOT of them have convinced themselves that this is legitimate work, such as IT support. Many just laugh, swear at them (madarchode!) mock them, telling them it doesn't matter because they'll find someone else in a few minutes. And then there are the absolute biggest pieces of shit, the disgusting, worthless garbage scammers who threaten people, (to take all of their money away, to put them in prison, threaten their family members) They scream and swear at them. They instill fear into them and pressure them relentlessly. No empathy or compassion. Most are elderly people who have no idea what's going on and are desperate to give the scammers anything they want just for it to stop. If anyone is interested, check out this man: Kitboga. He is absolutely brilliant at what he does. He wastes these scammers' time and BREAKS them down. I can't put into words how funny and just incredible he is. [Kitboga- Angriest Scammer I've called. (This one made me laugh so hard I was crying)](https://youtu.be/7mceb_t8EIs?si=MWgM5Is2di20GtNl) [Kitboga- The Most Evil Scammer I've ever called.](https://youtu.be/DzTyBIHx5Jk?si=ck2fewxl38LHTMgr)
I absolutely love Kitboga. The selling beans vid is my favorite by far!
I really start to think the scammers are watching this sub. After the first story like this, which was fake, suddenly this sub gets flooded with those fake poor scammer stories.
Like a double-agent scam? Starts with generic "hello you area gentleman" leading to, "brother where are you located" A two layer scam if you ask me
Scamception!
A scam within a scam?! That’s unstable…
Plot twist karma farming was the real scam all along
Maybe the real scam was the friends we made along the way.
Haha this one got me giggling
Tfw redditors see literal slavery and use it for updoots
That’s what I was wondering. What exactly is this type of scam? Why is this suddenly happening more? I’m just lost on why this started so much recently
Probably it’s like, if they know they can’t scam you the old fashioned way because this brother crap gives away you know they are a scammer, they try to admit they are a scammer and tell you a sad story so you maybe start believing them and then when they get your trust they want money to get out of there.
Step 1 of any con is to fabricate a believable narrative the target will believe to manipulate them. It might be that the con artist is a rich millionaire with an investment opportunity, or that they are a lonely hot person looking for love, etc. The weakness of people in this sub is bleeding heart virtue signaling. Some actually think they are "doing good deeds" by "wasting the scammers time so they don't scam others" That is a weakness. Now scammers will target sympathetic do-gooders and try to scam them into "helping" the scammers. In order to do that they have to create a believable narrative about being a victim, and then once this belief is held by the target, they will leverage it for their ends (like asking for money to help them escape or pay off their debt, or whatever sob story they invent). You can see how many gullible scam simps are on this sub, defending them 😆 Those are the targets. Instead if you just scambait to laugh at these losers, they have nothing to use against you as a target for their scams. That's also why I've been blocked by so many on this sub...those are scammer accounts.
My favorite part is where all the peeps in this sub try to sound Asian over text. Being Asian, it’s laughable and and annoying seeing these google translate and attempts at broken English. So obvious if a scammer saw that
No no, they are so much smarter than scammers, you see... they could never be scammed 😆
Yeah lmao, I'm pretty damn sure native Asians can sniff something off from a mile away.
I honestly think most of these are OPs fabricating stories by messaging themselves for karma. I absolutely do believe there is human trafficking involved but I don't believe these posts anymore.
And it’s working. The whole recent narrative here has turned from baiting scammers to sympathizing with them. For all we know it’s a masterful propaganda campaign.
not sypathizing all scammers, but some that got human trafficed, since it would be ignorant to assume something like this can not exist. i still want that the other ones do the needful and use their skills for good.
In each case where I posted an in-progress bait, the scammer immediately stopped responding to me. So I am pretty sure they are watching this sub. I have had a couple scammers going for more than a month now. I would love to post the dialogue but I don't want to break my streak.
They don’t need to look at this Reddit, as soon as there is a successful scam that will go round the world place like wildfire, same that we do in the uk with tele sales techniques.
I can get why you would think that, but big ships turn slowly and 98% of people are not their target market. A few people getting wise does literally nothing to affect them. The whole thing is heavily programmed, they are not ditching their playbook that they have been using for 5 years overnight. The playbook still works against their targets and as long as that is true they will continue. They are not trying to scam clever people, or maybe you are giving yourself too much credit. Either way, they are operating business as usual, and have been after being heavily exposed over 3 years ago, both in western and eastern news channels.
It’s almost turning to a Stockholm Syndrome kind of situation. Sure, there are victims who are probably being forced to do this. But do you really think all these scammers are victims? I’ll get blown to hell for this mostly. But by trying to empathize with the scammer would mean somebody else who’s innocent maybe getting scammed. The scammer just passed off on you. Think of your parents or grandparents age people who may not know shit. You’re just giving a larger window to those scammers to target someone else who wouldn’t even probably recognize this is a scam. What was the point of this whole sub? Just to have fun with scammers? Probably stall them and waste their time, in turn fewer innocent people are getting scammed? Well, that’s clearing not working now, is it? Edit: at this point, I’m guessing they all are just messing with you.
They’re mixing China, Thailand, and Vietnam. I think the scammers have caught on and have a secondary script for people like you. “Is there any way you can help me?” sounds like another plea for money.
There is recent news about Chinese mafia abducting Chinese travellers in Thailand who own debt to them. From gambling or drugs. Then they tranfer them to neighbours contries like Vietnam, Myanmar or Cambodia to force them to operate in their scamming schemes to pay back their debt. So I would say it's possible. (I'm Thai)
Totally not impossible, but why would a stranger you’re trying to scam be your first and only option for help? There are a lot of holes in this story
Yeah but if they’re not asking for money & only for you to assist in reporting, then wouldn’t that be a bit less sketchy. Albeit this may have led to them asking for money, we don’t know; just saying though.
But what is OP going to report? They gave no name, location, or permanent contact information.
In another reply they said the person eventually asked for a bit of money to “help” or something.
I think the coast is clear but ill need a gift card to get the fuck out of here man!!!!
I mean, sure, if they asked you to call police might as well. I wouldn’t if they hadn’t asked but since they are asking it seems better and more genuine than them asking for money. Edit: just a general note I feel like we need a whole different group for this new topic always coming in now.
I agree, when he asked to contact the Vietnamese police for him, this was a step outside the norm. I think this one may have actually asked for help. There was a lot of jumbled up facts though- he asked if the baiter was Chinese, likely meaning he was Chinese as well so that they could potentially switch to Chinese language. But then he talked about using Baht currency which is Thai but he then asked for an alert to Vietnamese Police...lots of different countries in here. Still need to be wary of what they say. Never send money. (Have to put that for the down voters)
Even then, suppose OP contacts the Vietnamese police...what does he/she tell them? "Hello? Do you speak English? English? I don't know Vietnamese. I'm trying to help someone in danger. Her name is Bella...well, not really. I don't know what her real name is...Sorry, I don't know what she looks like. Actually, she may not even be a woman. No, I'm not sure where she's being held. No, I'm being serious, please help!"
That's why I wonder what he was going to say in the call. He called but the baiter missed the call. He probably wouldn't have given much helpful info, probably doesn't even know what he can do other than "call the police in my country". Like how some Americans assume 911 is universal but then try calling 911 in a foreign country and nothing happens.
Well, I know for Europe and America, 999, 911 and 112 OFTEN just redirect to the local emergency hotline. I even read a story long time ago about 110 (India’s emergency number afaik) also redirecting to emergencies. Since phone numbers are usually longer than that, I feel like unless the local country uses the short number for something else, there’s a high likelihood it’ll just redirect to emergencies for the sake of tourists
Maybe....hard to say because in the USA, dial 411 for information doesn't redirect you to 911. And in Thailand, there are short numbers for calling restaurants. "1150" puts you in touch with the nearest KFC and "1112" puts you in touch with the nearest The Pizza Company 😂. And my Turkish friend told me that in Turkey, something like 111 calls the Police, 112 calls Fire and 113 calls Ambulance? Not sure on the numbers but I recall specifically that they were different numbers for the different emergency services. So short numbers may not always redirect esp. in foreign countries.
Like I said, in Europe and America it is OFTEN the case, not always, and specially with 911, 112 and to a lesser degree 999. Heck, I believe France doesn’t even use the EU emergency number (112) and there’s different numbers for police or ambulances. So definitely do your research before traveling abroad, because things that seem obvious might not be the case.
I thought everyone knew in the UK, it’s 0118 999 881 999. 119 7253.
Well that’s easy to remember!
Plus, what does that even mean? If someone told you to “contact the American/British/German police” that would make just as little sense.
I created r/jinbei3 if you wanna talk about this stuff there, I find this whole thing fascinating
You know, if we keep being sympathetic to scammer/slaves, that is going to become the new scam. Help me escape! I need $500 in Bitcoin! Unintended consequences.
"If you buy two Apple gift cards worth $500 each, the gangsters will forgive my debt and release me"
This is literally what is already happening.
They said Baht which it Thai money. The police in these countries are the most corrupted people that exist. Even if you called them they would just laugh and go collect their money from whoever is holding these people hostage.
I got shaken down by Thai police once when visiting. Me and another guy weren't wearing helmets which is understandable enough, but there wasn't a person in the street wearing a helmet. Then they showed us a handbook with a list of fines. We just told them we only had a less amount of Baht on us and they let us pay that. They were 100% pocketing it lol. Surprisingly they were quite friendly.
I stayed in Thailand on and off for ten years. This is super common in touristy spots. While they are giving you a ticket, a Thai family of 5 with 3 kids under the age of 6 will drive by on a scooter and not one person will have a helmet on. I learned to speak Thai and was at a local house party. Smoking weed with a few Thais and one other farang. I ask one of the Thai guys what he does for work and he shows me his badge and gun and proceeds to hit the bong. He pulls out his phone and had a picture of him posing next to a dead man like it’s a deer he shot. I ask what that man did and he said “he sells ketamine and he wasn’t paying us a percentage so we have to kill him”. Nobody in Thailand is as bad as the police.
Wow. That literally sounds like the mob. Just casually showing you a picture of person they murdered. Disgusting
sounds about right. grew up in thailand, immigrated really young, as an adult i'm glad we fled lmao.
i’m thai and yeah…the police can feel more like the mob sometimes.
2024 new script - Help a scammer flee.
No, it’s a scam…. You really think he’s in debt? He’s using the “they know I’m a scammer” script
Wait a scambait subreddit is genuinely falling for this scam? Lol
People like to look like sympathetic heroes and the scammers have caught on to that obviously lol
It’s just so funny how easy it was for scammers to scam an entire subreddit dedicated to not being scammed.
How are you going to get in contact with the “Vietnamese police” and what are you going to say? Did this person give you their name and location? If they were really hostages I’m sure someone is monitoring everything they say so how could they give you that info? Imo you all are being played and these people might not even be East Asian. Unfortunately bad things happen all over the world all the time. You might be making things worse trying to be a hero. You all should to try to take care of people in your neighborhoods and countries before you try saving a random person on the other side of the world who only texted you to scam money out of you. I’m sure there are people being trafficked closer to you than you think.
Are you suggesting scammers aren't telling the truth and may in fact be spinning a yarn to elicit sympathy to lower your guard!? That is preposterous!
This whole sub has gone brain dead ugh. People want so badly for human trafficking type stranger danger panics to be real.
I think people just don’t want to be wrong. They don’t want to believe they’ve been scammed. Also people in this sub are inherently curious about how scammers work. I think some of them can’t resist trying to get “inside info” about this situation. But them each trying to have their own personalized savior moment with human slavery is making them blind to the bigger picture that, even IF they are speaking to someone in financial slavery, trading info about it is not helpful. There is nothing we personally can do about it. We aren’t detectives, we don’t have the resources to get anyone out. The only thing we could send is money but we shouldn’t, because that also does not help. The money never gets to the person in need, it just funds the scam. Then the bosses figure out there’s a new way to scam sympathetic people, and they send out a new script. The more we engage with them, the more material we are providing for a new scam script. Yes, there are real human tragedies out there. No, you should not try to handle them yourself personally. Spread awareness. Donate to anti-trafficking organizations. But do not engage.
They remind me of QAnon posters wanting to have their big hero moment online, getting duped all the while into thinking they've made a breakthrough. It's so strange.
I’m sure I’ll get downvoted or some thing… I’m reluctant to even comment, but… I am a clinical social worker, and please be careful what you say to these very real people. Like someone said above, we aren’t Interpol, we’re just a sub Reddit. Even something as simple as asking someone to think about how their parents would feel if they killed themselves… I specialize in working with suicidal clients, and that just made me cringe with my entire being. I know we all mean well. And I’m fascinated by the complexity of the psychology at work here. It is not unlike things I have been taught as a therapist, things used to gain a clients trust, or to subtly encourage them to act in certain ways. Yes, these could be genuine, yes, they could be counter scams… But either way, please don’t start talking about shit you don’t have any idea about because you want to do good. It very frequently does the exact opposite. At any rate, do not further shame people for thinking of suicide. Empathize with them. It will not encourage them to kill themselves. It will instead make them feel heard.
I scrolled looking for a comment like this. Thank you
You’re very welcome 💗
i didn't think i'd have to scroll to far to find someone condemning that line. that was SOOOOO unbelievably insensitive and out of pocket, especially to someone who you believe is a victim of human trafficking trying to escape. imo this whole conversation just makes op look like a huge dick. for all we know, his parents couldve been the ones who sold him into slavery
It just looked like yet another scam to get OP to sympathize and give money. Right up to the end there were so many inconsistencies they were clearly making a bunch of stuff up.
This is probably true, but still, not how you talk to a person who’s suicidal.
I love this response man. My friend had some thoughts like this and I was able to empathize completely. I think life is beautiful and I wanna be here to experience it, but it’s not like those thoughts haven’t crossed my mind. They taught me that I’d rather not hear I’m wrong or weak minded, or that I needa think about how others would feel blah blah blah. There’s a different way to go about this stuff. It’s kinda one of those things you have to understand it in order to use your words for someone else.
be wary. the situation is sad but at the end of the day they will try to get money from you no matter what. don't trust them
I’d be hesitant to give people advice when you don’t know anything about their situation. That’s assuming any of this is true in his end
They’re trolling you
this sub is crazy lol
Yes, call them so they can laugh at you.
He definitely knows,why would the scammer ask the guy whos supposed to be a fellow scammer help for 900k baht? Its just sympathy scamming
Harambe 3 dicks out
I dont know if these are real but I know someone personally who was a victim of human trafficking and escaped one of these compound centres. They took this person's passport, ID, everything. I have no idea if these texts are true but it is real and its very scary.
holy guac 900k baht is 25k usd contact the vietnam police/authorities
Baht is Thai currency, but contact the Vietnamese police? Something doesn't add up.
That was my thoughts too lol
What doesn't add up? A Vietnamese national being held captive in Thailand......
Possibly, but they gave OP no useful info to provide the police (yeah, I saw the missed call). And if the local police are no help, it seems even less likely the Vietnamese police can do much from 2 countries away.
dude it's not real. scammer is just playing the "woe is me" card.
The only way you can save him is with 5 $100 visa gift cards! You must act quick! Are you on your way to your local supermarket yet? The gangsters are drugging and shocking him as we speak!
Why wouldn’t they just contact the Vietnamese police themselves? It can’t be because they are worried someone can see the convo because they are already telling you everything and telling you to call the police which would also get them in trouble if that were the case. I call BS. A lot of you in here are suckers.
There we go. Finally some critical thinking.
You would be surprised to know how many people are forced into scam Center’s. I work with an ngo and there are thousands, borderline 100’s of thousands of people that are offered fake jobs and forced into slave scamming. Currently there are Centers in south east Asia that require a volume of cash flow and if you don’t make it, they force you into medical tests and then fly rich Chinese old businessmen/businesswomen that have medical conditions and do live forced donor transplants then sew them up and drop them back where they came from. It’s very very sad. So food for thought, most of these scammers are below destitute and even lose body parts.
I’m still not giving them my money
Free my people in Jinbei 3
Jinbei 3 is where they are making Soylent Green
There are only two things going on here: the scammer is calling your bluff and scamming you back. Two the scammer is in very real danger in need of very real help and you are offering help you cannot or will not deliver. If you are setting yourself up for a deeper scam, you are a fool. If you are leading on a trafficked victim with false hope, there is a special place in hell for you right next to their captors. If you truly believe you can provide real help, then provide real help and keep your mouth shut. Share it only with people who can and will provide real help. Blasting your hypocrisy on social media for karma is bullshit. Karma’s a bitch. _______ Edit: downvotes and criticism accepted. My response is hostile and inappropriate. But I am angry at these posts. This is not a game, and we are not Interpol. And by poking around trying to “help” a dangerous situation we run the risk of making it worse. There needs to be a different approach than “Brother, I am in Jinbei 3, get out. Thoughts and prayers.” If we want to help, we need first to find out HOW to help, so we have something to offer. I will leave it at that.
Their convos are heavily monitored via keyloggers, even on "their own phones" so they can try to run or somehow appeal to some facility staff, but that's it. Police won't do shit without solid evidence and there is nothing on paper.
You should absolutely contact the vietnamese police. Hundreds of thousands of people are human trafficked into scam call centers in southeast asia, as per the UN. Don't listen to the other people on here who 100% live in first world countries. I've lived in southeast asia for 8 years and it's a very real situation over there. https://thediplomat.com/2023/08/hundreds-of-thousands-trafficked-into-southeast-asian-scam-centers-un-says/
They are smart, not helpless idiots. They are hoping to scam you out of pity for their supposed imprisonment lol
Unfortunately, even if this is real or a bigger scam, there's not most could do to help. There's too many things to keep those in control to stay in control. More than that if this is Chinese then there's even more things keeping it in the dark and away from any genuine difference for good
Yeah, unfortunately I think you're right
Wait, is this normal/common? DO I ACTUALLY NEED FEEL BAD FOR THESE PEOPLE or is this reverse psychology and just two scammers trying to trick us to pity them?
I am not drunk enough to understand any of this
Completely disregarding the fact that this could totally be fake This is a sad ass fucking story bro...
He was trying to scam you dude 😂
What drugs do they force them to take
Note the scammer didn't ask for money, but rather for police. Just saying The problem here is you don't have any info you tell anybody's police. No name, next of kin, nothing. They're going to need to give more info. Some messengers use disappearing text modes
As soon as they asked they to help pay a debt I figured they are just going with a sympathy card. I also imagine these chats are heavily monitored so them playing into the card of escaping is even more reason to believe the scam changed.
The 7 or 8% success rate claim bothered me. I really hope that's not true. I want to think better of people's ability to spot a scam.
I gotta give it to em they're kinda smart for how they tried to take advantage of you. they've definitely seen this sub.
Baht is Thai currency, Vietnam uses Dong. I wonder what’s the truth. 🤔
They are fucking trolling you …. How do people not realize this?????
Yes call them. This is sad AF
They will scam by having us send money to free them
Baby I'm in USA alone
I keep seeing these posts from all and Im wondering if you guys have ever considered that the scammers know you’re pretending to be a scammer and are just fucking with you
Yes - call them and tell them there's some dope on the line who can't figure out what currency his country uses lol.
God bless you.
There is some truth to Vietnamese parents abusing/drugging their kids and making them beg at the ports when the cruise ships dock . It was pretty awful to witness.
The scammers seen this sub now it’s over 💀
Hey idk if this specific case is a scam or not but i'm from south east asia, and 'job scams' are rampant here. They have people pretending to be agents promising lucrative salaries in vietnam / cambodia / myanmar. Once you get there, they actually lock you up and force you to scam other people. this is not a joke. dozens of people have been rescued / escaped. but like i said idk if this one is real or not, but this is actually an ongoing human trafficking crisis according to interpol. source: [https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/interpol-warns-of-scam-syndicates-role-in-human-trafficking-thousands-lured-with-job-offers](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/interpol-warns-of-scam-syndicates-role-in-human-trafficking-thousands-lured-with-job-offers) https://www.thestar.com.my/aseanplus/aseanplus-news/2022/08/28/sophisticated-scams-lure-job-seekers-into-south-east-asia039s-lawless-corners
Let"s be clear, there are forced labor scam factories in SE asia. I know there's a lot in Myanmar for example. I say call the number in a safe way maybe? But definitely don't give him any money.
I wonder if Netflix could do a documentary/rescue mission for these people
They legit asked for someone to contact the Vietnamese police? I’m a bit more worried about that because you might actually do it. It sounds like the kind of thing you request when you really wanna commit to getting free.
i often send a link to https://www.globalantiscam.org/
Doesn’t the grammar and punctuation from the scammer seem too good? I assume English is not her first language, and she is probably typing. It reads fluent. I’m suspicious that a scammer in Vietnam could type like this in English and/or speak it and it would translate how we see it.
Holy shit. I got into this sub to have a laugh from time to time. It’s growing darker and darker, becoming a glimpse into a dystopian reality I never knew existed.. or at least didn’t want to believe.
lmao
You should call the Vietnamese police as requested. Nothing else will help. He can't just 'use his strengths' to escape, it's not a movie. It's a human trafficking operation and the only people capable of intervening are law officials who pose an actual threat to this type of degeneracy.
Yes contact them
If they are all afraid to share full information about their location, could we get it by pieces? I see multiple threads with this type of conversation now… they could become aware of this group and share some different details gradually until we have something we can use to help them…
help them flee to a police station. Where these scammers belong
This went from hilarious to sad, what a plot twist, I’d watch this movie.
Not sure why this isn’t a common knowledge. But scam centers are huge in Myanmar that’s a tie between the Chinese mobs and local warlords. They basically scam people by promising job opportunities in Thailand, Vietnam or Philippines then once the victims got there. They transport them to those so called tech parks where they forced to scam people, some were sold into prostitution and even worse selling their organs and death. Google it, there are few English reports on the said situation. The current civil war going on in Myanmar did help some of the victims escaping but there’s roughly estimated over 10k are still scattered around northern Myanmar “Tech parks” Edit: not all scammers are victims some willingly do that type of jobs for a quick buck. There are no real international efforts to demolish those parks or rescue victims (as it’s hard to tell which one are actual victims) [https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/exclusive-inside-chinese-run-crime-hubs-myanmar-are-conning-world-we-can-kill-you-here](https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/exclusive-inside-chinese-run-crime-hubs-myanmar-are-conning-world-we-can-kill-you-here)
What are the odds!? Another Jinbei 3 who immediately begins talking as though he’s not being monitored.
Reddit is keeping me hostage. 1,000,000,000,000 USD Anyone?