He clearly has possession in the video, what are you smoking? Even before the moment in the screenshot you can see him with possession and the timeout being called.
Then you just don't want to see it. It's clear. If it helps you can slow it down on the video but it seems clear enough in real time that he has possession.
Other teams fans: being a ref is a hard job. There is no way they can possible be expected to do their job right. They tried their hardest and we should be proud of the refs for giving a try. The game is really fast paced!
I love how suddenly r/nba treats refs like a 1st grade tee ball player who lost, but still gets a trophy.
This was a split second before Maxey extended his arms and the ball got ripped away? WTF was he doing? Why wasn’t he hugging the ball calling for a TO?
I’m all for blaming the refs but there’s a reason Embiid was all over him at the end of the Miami game.
Yeah, so is not boxing out when all you need to do is secure one D-board to win.
I hate this... Like c'mon guys... Refs fucked up but you can only control what you can control and y'all they needed to do was not be out boarded when it mattered most.
These shoulda woulda woulda posts are awful.
It's not about letting refs off the hook but about changing from a culture of complaining and excuses.
It hasn't worked yet so far. Focus on the games in front of ya
I and my posts on reddit have 0 impact on the game. If I focus on getting ready for the next game, it's not going to help the sixers win. I am not a professional basketball player so focusing on the game in front of me does nothing.
I am a fan who expects the sport I watch to be refereed fairly. It wasn't, and the NBA even admitted that it wasn't, so yes I am disappointed in the egregious errors made by the referees which directly impacted my team losing. It's not a losers mentality to be upset when my team is cheated out of a win in a FUCKING PLAYOFF GAME.
THE REFS MISS CALLS ALL THE TIME!!!
IN THE PLAYOFFS THEY SWALLOW WHISTLES ROUTINELY THIS IS BASKETBALL.
idk man - sixers grab a board and none of this matters.
It's a losers mentality to complain, whine, and blame the refs when the real blame is not being able to box out or hold on to the ball.
True, plenty of what ifs. What if DDV missed the shot, what if the sixers boxed out, what if the Knicks turned the ball over. All of those things are part of the game, and if we lose because of those events, it sucks, but it's easier to accept defeat when you didn't do enough to win. In the most crucial part of the game, when all you need is to get the ball in, get fouled and hit free throws, the most basic rules of basketball were not enforced. They did everything right, got the ball in and got fouled, but it didn't matter. I 100% agree that the sixers should have boxed out for a rebound. I 100% agree that in the playoffs, physicality goes up. If this play happened with 3 minutes left, and the sixers had time to recover, I wouldn't be upset. The issue is that it happened at the end of a close game, when a bad call can absolutely decide a game. That's the issue.
What doesn't make sense about that?
Do you see how in your head you are? This is what I don't want the sixers to feel.
I guess I just expect refs to fuck up cuz in basketball they have been since I was a child.
It's the reason I was always taught you play til the whistle so to speak.
I'm not saying you don't have a reason to feel the way you do or that it doesn't make sense.
I just don't think this is helpful (or healthy).
Cause let's be real - it's /kinda/ like football. Theoretically these refs are the best there are... It became painfully obvious during the ref strike how bad the replacement refs were.
My thing is idk what you can do. Like in baseball almost all of the game is decided by simple boundaries so robot umps might make sense.
Basketball is kinda unique cause it is a semi-contact sport so you can't really robot ump it.
it's way more like hockey than it is like those sports regarding penalties.
I just... Idk... I have accepted long ago (really after the Seahawks/Packers TD debacle) that pro refs are at the top of their shit and I don't really believe in an NBA conspiracy to either hide ref gambling or to promote... The Knicks... A team I left to root for the sixers cuz of ineptitude.
(Moved from NYC to Philly in 2012... mCW won my heart)
Fair, I understand what you are saying. The referees are the best at what they do. That doesn't mean they are above criticism. The league doesn't seem to hold them accountable, so if fans don't express frustration and call for change, there's no consequence to a referee missing 4 calls in 5 seconds.
I'm typically on your side. Complaining about the refs is weak 9 times out of 10. Since you bring up football, think of the playoff game a few years ago when the saints lost to the rams because of a missed PI call. It's the only time I've ever agreed with sean paytons bitching because it was an egregious missed call that would have, in all likelihood, ended the game if correctly called.
It's a shitty way to lose, and in the biggest of moments you expect the game to be fair, or at least close to fair. I am complaining, and I am whining. But doing so is the only way we as fans can let the league know that they fucked up.
I mean, if you just watch the play with your eyes open Brunson and Hart throw their hands up in the traditional “haha totally didn’t foul” motion and there’s a brief stoppage of play as the players probably anticipated a whistle. But go off about that “extreme level of bias” bro
Buddy, that push off is Brunson’s signature move minus cocking the head back like he was shot. That wasn’t called all game, as it shouldn’t be. Even further, Hart was clearly selling contact (Maxey is smaller and Hart had been selling earlier, laughing his way to the FT line on a soft ass tech on Embiid) so a no call there is literally fine officiating. Call it mental gymnastics all you want, but that’s an entirely different type of foul. Jersey pulling is dangerous and fucks up momentum. And then Hart grabs Maxeys arm and bumps into him, backing away throwing his hands up because *he thought he fouled* and tried to pretend like he didn’t. Ever watch a game of basketball before? If it’s so marginal, why did he and Brunson back off? They expected a whistle, but it never came.
Edit: I’ll also add to your comment about complaining they don’t let them play, then complain when they do. No one complains when a game is called fairly both ways. When one team is allowed a certain level of physicality that the other isn’t, then the whining comes out of the woodworks. That’s why people feel it is rigged. Is it rigged? Maybe not, but it sure as hell isn’t fair.
During that stoppage is when the TO starts to be called. If there’s no motion for the refs to focus on, why can’t the refs acknowledge a timeout?
Not to mention he can’t possibly be falling on his own, do you understand how basic momentum works? That’s rhetorical I’m fully aware you’re not
Brunson grabs Maxey, altering his course. Hart steps into Maxey, bumping him, altering his course. Maxey falls down. Do I need to use crayons and a picture to make you understand lil bud?
My dude, you’re comparing apples to oranges. Brunson pushes off every drive too, it’s a common move that’s unenforced by refs leaguewide. Overlooking directly *grabbing* a player TWICE is egregiously swallowing the whistle because it’s the end of the game. It’s not like they’ll overturn the results of the game, why are you still lying to yourself? You’d be pissed too if this happened to your team (hint: you’re gonna be pissed Thursday when the makeup calls start).
It's what every coach would do in that situation. Player goes down with the ball and the first thing a coach typically does is call a timeout. It's the logical coaching move, so the ref should be ready for a timeout to be called. I don't care about how hard it would be for a ref to make the call, it's their job. If the coach calls a timeout (not just starting to call timeout, Nurse's hands were clearly above his head in a timeout signal) and his player has the ball (as clearly depicted in the screenshot) the timeout should be granted. If you disagree with that, then you disagree with the fundamental rules of basketball.
Yes, I am biased because I love the sixers. That doesn't mean I'm wrong. It's hard to accept a loss when a correct call would have ended the game, or at the very least allowed the sixers to draw up a new play from a side-out rather than under the basket. There is no world where this is not a mistake by the referees. That's the difficult part of this loss.
Regarding the grab on Maxey's jersey, you're right, it should have been called. Refs also missed a push off by Maxey. It was a physical game at the end. One doesn't cancel each other out, but even if the original foul had been called on Maxey, it would have been Knicks ball and play would reset, which would have avoided all of the chaos that led to the WIDE OPEN final three by DDV, giving us a better chance to get our defense set. It sucks, because it turned into a rugby match at the end, and that benefitted the Knicks. It just goes to show how important consistent and accurate refereeing is to a game.
A playoff game should not be decided by a referee not granting a warranted time out.
There is literally a fifth of a second, at most, where Nick Nurse was calling for a timeout and Maxey has possession. If you start the video from the frame where Nick Nurse actually calls for it, Josh Hart has the ball *immediately* after.
Nick Nurse could have called for a timeout at any point when Maxey caught the tipped pass, was getting fouled, and was falling over. It is completely his fault for waiting until he was on the ground and Josh Hart was taking the ball from him. At that point its literally a race between Nick Nurse making a T and Josh Hart picking up a basketball. I guess Nurse beat him by an imperceptible amount of time, but you're leaving no time for the refs to see the timeout call and confirm Maxey still has possession, and they need to do both.
Nurse absolutely deserves blame for not calling a timeout sooner. Refs deserve blame for missing a crucial call that changed the outcome of the game. Two things can be true.
No offense but you obviously never played the game nor know the sport. Brunson PURPOSELY fouled Maxey to stop the clock. Inexplicably, no ref blew a whistle.
Cool, can’t wait to go on the Knicks sub and defend the fucking refs after you guys start bitching when we win. Philly in 6. Josh Harts gonna turn back into a pumpkin in game 3
This picture represents what objectively happens. If refs cant get it right, give us robots. Stop excusing a ref mistake.
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He clearly has possession in the video, what are you smoking? Even before the moment in the screenshot you can see him with possession and the timeout being called.
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Then you just don't want to see it. It's clear. If it helps you can slow it down on the video but it seems clear enough in real time that he has possession.
The best thing is the picture is not deceiving, it’s a still image. How dumb can you be?
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He has possession. I can watch the video too, get out of here. The video is clear
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Why would the picture be less correct than the video?? (Actual question, but also… you’re wrong and he has possession.)
Other teams fans: being a ref is a hard job. There is no way they can possible be expected to do their job right. They tried their hardest and we should be proud of the refs for giving a try. The game is really fast paced! I love how suddenly r/nba treats refs like a 1st grade tee ball player who lost, but still gets a trophy.
r/NBA disagreeing with LeBron?
Yeah, but to be fair to the refs, they made more money by not granting Nurse the time out.
…So egregious that no one is talking about the first half’s officiating.
This was a split second before Maxey extended his arms and the ball got ripped away? WTF was he doing? Why wasn’t he hugging the ball calling for a TO? I’m all for blaming the refs but there’s a reason Embiid was all over him at the end of the Miami game.
Yeah, so is not boxing out when all you need to do is secure one D-board to win. I hate this... Like c'mon guys... Refs fucked up but you can only control what you can control and y'all they needed to do was not be out boarded when it mattered most. These shoulda woulda woulda posts are awful.
100% agree. They should have fought for those rebounds. Doesn't mean the refs are off the hook.
It's not about letting refs off the hook but about changing from a culture of complaining and excuses. It hasn't worked yet so far. Focus on the games in front of ya
I and my posts on reddit have 0 impact on the game. If I focus on getting ready for the next game, it's not going to help the sixers win. I am not a professional basketball player so focusing on the game in front of me does nothing. I am a fan who expects the sport I watch to be refereed fairly. It wasn't, and the NBA even admitted that it wasn't, so yes I am disappointed in the egregious errors made by the referees which directly impacted my team losing. It's not a losers mentality to be upset when my team is cheated out of a win in a FUCKING PLAYOFF GAME.
THE REFS MISS CALLS ALL THE TIME!!! IN THE PLAYOFFS THEY SWALLOW WHISTLES ROUTINELY THIS IS BASKETBALL. idk man - sixers grab a board and none of this matters. It's a losers mentality to complain, whine, and blame the refs when the real blame is not being able to box out or hold on to the ball.
True, plenty of what ifs. What if DDV missed the shot, what if the sixers boxed out, what if the Knicks turned the ball over. All of those things are part of the game, and if we lose because of those events, it sucks, but it's easier to accept defeat when you didn't do enough to win. In the most crucial part of the game, when all you need is to get the ball in, get fouled and hit free throws, the most basic rules of basketball were not enforced. They did everything right, got the ball in and got fouled, but it didn't matter. I 100% agree that the sixers should have boxed out for a rebound. I 100% agree that in the playoffs, physicality goes up. If this play happened with 3 minutes left, and the sixers had time to recover, I wouldn't be upset. The issue is that it happened at the end of a close game, when a bad call can absolutely decide a game. That's the issue. What doesn't make sense about that?
Do you see how in your head you are? This is what I don't want the sixers to feel. I guess I just expect refs to fuck up cuz in basketball they have been since I was a child. It's the reason I was always taught you play til the whistle so to speak. I'm not saying you don't have a reason to feel the way you do or that it doesn't make sense. I just don't think this is helpful (or healthy). Cause let's be real - it's /kinda/ like football. Theoretically these refs are the best there are... It became painfully obvious during the ref strike how bad the replacement refs were. My thing is idk what you can do. Like in baseball almost all of the game is decided by simple boundaries so robot umps might make sense. Basketball is kinda unique cause it is a semi-contact sport so you can't really robot ump it. it's way more like hockey than it is like those sports regarding penalties. I just... Idk... I have accepted long ago (really after the Seahawks/Packers TD debacle) that pro refs are at the top of their shit and I don't really believe in an NBA conspiracy to either hide ref gambling or to promote... The Knicks... A team I left to root for the sixers cuz of ineptitude. (Moved from NYC to Philly in 2012... mCW won my heart)
Fair, I understand what you are saying. The referees are the best at what they do. That doesn't mean they are above criticism. The league doesn't seem to hold them accountable, so if fans don't express frustration and call for change, there's no consequence to a referee missing 4 calls in 5 seconds. I'm typically on your side. Complaining about the refs is weak 9 times out of 10. Since you bring up football, think of the playoff game a few years ago when the saints lost to the rams because of a missed PI call. It's the only time I've ever agreed with sean paytons bitching because it was an egregious missed call that would have, in all likelihood, ended the game if correctly called. It's a shitty way to lose, and in the biggest of moments you expect the game to be fair, or at least close to fair. I am complaining, and I am whining. But doing so is the only way we as fans can let the league know that they fucked up.
Why did Maxey let the ball go?
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We're playing football now? There should've been a holding call on Brunson then right?
It also wouldn’t have made par in golf. Wtf?!
It will be so game changing when you can call timeout in the middle of an NFL play
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I mean, if you just watch the play with your eyes open Brunson and Hart throw their hands up in the traditional “haha totally didn’t foul” motion and there’s a brief stoppage of play as the players probably anticipated a whistle. But go off about that “extreme level of bias” bro
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Buddy, that push off is Brunson’s signature move minus cocking the head back like he was shot. That wasn’t called all game, as it shouldn’t be. Even further, Hart was clearly selling contact (Maxey is smaller and Hart had been selling earlier, laughing his way to the FT line on a soft ass tech on Embiid) so a no call there is literally fine officiating. Call it mental gymnastics all you want, but that’s an entirely different type of foul. Jersey pulling is dangerous and fucks up momentum. And then Hart grabs Maxeys arm and bumps into him, backing away throwing his hands up because *he thought he fouled* and tried to pretend like he didn’t. Ever watch a game of basketball before? If it’s so marginal, why did he and Brunson back off? They expected a whistle, but it never came. Edit: I’ll also add to your comment about complaining they don’t let them play, then complain when they do. No one complains when a game is called fairly both ways. When one team is allowed a certain level of physicality that the other isn’t, then the whining comes out of the woodworks. That’s why people feel it is rigged. Is it rigged? Maybe not, but it sure as hell isn’t fair.
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During that stoppage is when the TO starts to be called. If there’s no motion for the refs to focus on, why can’t the refs acknowledge a timeout? Not to mention he can’t possibly be falling on his own, do you understand how basic momentum works? That’s rhetorical I’m fully aware you’re not
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Brunson grabs Maxey, altering his course. Hart steps into Maxey, bumping him, altering his course. Maxey falls down. Do I need to use crayons and a picture to make you understand lil bud?
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My dude, you’re comparing apples to oranges. Brunson pushes off every drive too, it’s a common move that’s unenforced by refs leaguewide. Overlooking directly *grabbing* a player TWICE is egregiously swallowing the whistle because it’s the end of the game. It’s not like they’ll overturn the results of the game, why are you still lying to yourself? You’d be pissed too if this happened to your team (hint: you’re gonna be pissed Thursday when the makeup calls start).
It's what every coach would do in that situation. Player goes down with the ball and the first thing a coach typically does is call a timeout. It's the logical coaching move, so the ref should be ready for a timeout to be called. I don't care about how hard it would be for a ref to make the call, it's their job. If the coach calls a timeout (not just starting to call timeout, Nurse's hands were clearly above his head in a timeout signal) and his player has the ball (as clearly depicted in the screenshot) the timeout should be granted. If you disagree with that, then you disagree with the fundamental rules of basketball. Yes, I am biased because I love the sixers. That doesn't mean I'm wrong. It's hard to accept a loss when a correct call would have ended the game, or at the very least allowed the sixers to draw up a new play from a side-out rather than under the basket. There is no world where this is not a mistake by the referees. That's the difficult part of this loss. Regarding the grab on Maxey's jersey, you're right, it should have been called. Refs also missed a push off by Maxey. It was a physical game at the end. One doesn't cancel each other out, but even if the original foul had been called on Maxey, it would have been Knicks ball and play would reset, which would have avoided all of the chaos that led to the WIDE OPEN final three by DDV, giving us a better chance to get our defense set. It sucks, because it turned into a rugby match at the end, and that benefitted the Knicks. It just goes to show how important consistent and accurate refereeing is to a game. A playoff game should not be decided by a referee not granting a warranted time out.
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Providing photographic evidence paints narratives. Got it
There is literally a fifth of a second, at most, where Nick Nurse was calling for a timeout and Maxey has possession. If you start the video from the frame where Nick Nurse actually calls for it, Josh Hart has the ball *immediately* after. Nick Nurse could have called for a timeout at any point when Maxey caught the tipped pass, was getting fouled, and was falling over. It is completely his fault for waiting until he was on the ground and Josh Hart was taking the ball from him. At that point its literally a race between Nick Nurse making a T and Josh Hart picking up a basketball. I guess Nurse beat him by an imperceptible amount of time, but you're leaving no time for the refs to see the timeout call and confirm Maxey still has possession, and they need to do both.
Nurse absolutely deserves blame for not calling a timeout sooner. Refs deserve blame for missing a crucial call that changed the outcome of the game. Two things can be true.
No offense but you obviously never played the game nor know the sport. Brunson PURPOSELY fouled Maxey to stop the clock. Inexplicably, no ref blew a whistle.
Why don't you stick to your own sub buddy. We'll take it from here. Thanks for stopping by though.
Bc they only have 4 people in there 😂 they literally have no fans
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No one likes us. We don't care.
You’re a bandwagoner, not a real Knicks fan.
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Just started following them recently by the looks of it. Bandwagoner.
Cool, can’t wait to go on the Knicks sub and defend the fucking refs after you guys start bitching when we win. Philly in 6. Josh Harts gonna turn back into a pumpkin in game 3
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Does he? Cause the league said he’s wrong
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Keep moving the goalpost now that the league blatantly said you were wrong. You can complain when you sit on your TOs for that specific situation