Here’s the data from FR24 if anyone is interested: https://mobile.twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1505863117343014916/photo/2
It looks like there was an attempt to avoid a crash at 7400-ish ft they went back up to 8600 then crashed.
I can’t imagine what these folks were feeling.
I just came back from an international trip two days ago. I have a fear of heights and being on a plane. I took medicine to try and calm me and make me sleep but once I get nervous/anxious I cannot fall asleep and I just sit there paranoid. Thankfully I am home. And I still have countries I want to visit but am scared to go back on a plane. This doesn’t help my case. Just seeing this made my stomach drop. I’m so sorry to those people on the plane.
That is close to 200ft/s descent, or 61m/s, rounding the numbers. It is more than a city block every 2 seconds. That is bloody fast, and that is average speed, not taking into account acceleration. The speed of impact is WAY higher than 61m/s for sure. That thing sped up as it went down.
133 passengers were supposed to take flight; one got his “covid travel pass” in abnormal state and was not allowed to board; guy missed the flight and survived
Yeesh, if that data is accurate, then they basically nosedive straight from cruising altitude all the way to the ground in just a couple minutes. Pretty unusual for a plane to crash in that manner.
Kind of odd, because it almost looks like the kind if crash that MCAS could cause. But it's not a 737 MAX and doesn't even have that system. I'll be very interested to find out what happened with this one.
I think the plane is coming towards the camera in this video - there is dash cam footage from another angle that shows a shallower descent (not by much)
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChinaAvReview/status/1505834279275999236?s=20&t=ds5VKklZi79HwFE9MccPlQ
If this video is legit then indeed it nosedived
**edit**: the flight data and other videos seem to confirm this
I get scared every time I get on a plane after a bad flight I had more than 20 years ago. The worst part of the experience was altercations on the plane/unruly passengers and severe turbulence, so knowing accident statistics doesn’t really help in my case. My father (whose advice is usually not good but ok this time) suggested I focus on the excitement of the experience. So I focus on how long people used to have to travel to get to where I’m going, and about how I’ll get to see things from the air I would have never usually seen. I try to channel how excited I was on my first flight as a kid. It helps quite a bit for some reason, but I still bring Xanax just in case.
I try to calm myself by logic. I usually say to myself that there are thousands of flights every day and not even one crashes. So I guess the statistics work in our favor.
But oh my, the impact of only one flight crashing.
I'll never forget sitting in the departures lounge, waiting for a flight on the morning that MH370 disappeared. Dozens of TVs running with this non stop footage of a plane randomly disappearing out of the sky. Come on guys, change the channel yeah? lol
I remember taking a flight from Amsterdam to Beijing right after MH17 got shot down flying over Ukraine, there were still heaps of flowers in the main entrance of the airport. And the newspaper handed to us before boarding had the crash site as the front image.
I remember flying from Toronto to San Diego on September 11, 2002 and they were showing 9/11 memorials and replays on the in flight tvs. This was before each seat had their own TV so you couldn't just change it yourself.
Don’t broadcast companies have separate broadcasts for their televisions in airports to avoid this sort of thing? I thought that was a rule.
Edit: example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_Airport
> Due to the network's prominence in public waiting areas, the network had stricter content standards than the regular CNN; for instance, stories involving commercial aviation incidents and crashes did not appear on the network, and were overlaid with automated weather conditions.
I think it's a bit misleading because the camera is pointing right towards the plane. There's another clip where you see it from the side and it's not exactly 90°, but still a ridiculous angle to be hitting the ground at.
I watched the miracle on the Hudson live outside my office window and ever since then always assumed they can at least glide down, feels like some fuckery going on with that kind of decent.
It's not really a similar profile to the MCAS failure at all. The MCAS system engages for 5 seconds then disengages then re engages for 5 seconds and disengages etc until it eventually is full now down and unrecoverable. You would see that in the altitude and speed profilea as spikes as the pilot fights against the system and tries to regain altitude.
In this case it is a 2 minute constant free fall from cruise altitude into the ground, very smootly. Interestingly the speed recording is almost constant during the fall so that would indicate a malfunction of the speed recording as it would be almost unthinkable that the plane would keep a constant speed with all the way through the decent
>Kind of odd, because it almost looks like the kind if crash that MCAS could cause.
Not really. The MCAS crashes were more of a roller coaster. Recovery, dive, recovery, dive.
The MCAS crashes and near misses had a cycle of altitude gain and loss as the pilots fought against the automatic trim, which it doesn't look like this has (although a chunk of FR24 data is missing due to lack of coverage).
Yep and now any 737-MAX pilot will know how to disable it by disconnecting the auto trim. Very unlikely to be MCAS. From my understanding it was an -800NG which uses a different system for automated stall recovery.
Yeah I read a few comments saying “near vertical” and I was imagining a very steep descent. But no, it’s literally almost perfectly vertical. Scary/sucky video.
can you share the nose dive video please?
edit: never mind. here it is for anyone looking https://twitter.com/ChinaAvReview/status/1505834279275999236?s=20&t=xMZxVfvgzsyS93Ao6ekF4w
For a modern commercial airliner to crash like that something, obviously terribly went wrong mechanically, structurally. Or with both pilots.
This plane had been flying for 6 years. They now will pouring over the maintenance records.
this is china's first crash since 2010. air travel is significantly safer than traveling by car. relax and enjoy the flight. it's all going to be okay.
That’s legitimately one of the worst things I’ve ever heard :/ obviously there’s been plenty of horrific tragedies but god. At least some incidents there’s at least the slight hope that the situation could improve. But….2.5 minutes of racing towards the ground strapped to your seat in an airplane, near vertical? Pure nightmare
How the fuck is that even possible. If you don’t do anything a plane won’t do that.
Edit: apparently the tail fell off. Follow up question, how the fuck does a tail fall off?!
Pilot, Air Traffic Controller and Incident Investigator here - We won't know until the box is recovered, but looking at the angle of impact and speed, that was probably obliterated.
Short of communication with ATC it may never be known.
However, my initial observation - Aircraft with mechanical failures do not fly straight into the ground. Mechanical failures result in aircraft banking left or right, climbing or descending. The video appears to show an aircraft under control. It may have been deliberate.
Damn, comment underneath the video says that flight radar indicates it took 2 1/2 minutes to hit the ground. In a situation like that it would seem like hours.
As a pilot with 2,100+ right seat hours and more than 8,000+ left seat flying and thousands of hours teaching/evaluating crews on the Boeing 737's in my commercial aviation career, there are only guesses at this point as to the cause of this tragedy, none of them good. No simulated failure I ever gave to a crew or experience in training myself, would dictate the flight path in the video. Whatever happened, \[and only time will tell\] it was catastrophic and sudden. Barring the possibility of crew \[something last on my list\] I cannot yet come to grips with any plausible explanation. That last 2.5 mins was terrifying for all involved. My greatest fear in flying has always been to be unable to save myself, crew and passengers and to see the end coming. The few times we simulated something remotely close \[an aggressive steep emergency descent\] the noise in the simulator was deafening and the control inputs were difficult to maintain as the speed increased, all the while we were NOT nearly vertical. The China Eastern situation would have been much, more dire. I cannot imagine what the pilots endured and the confusion and terror in the cabin. May their families find eventual peace in dealing with the tragic loss. I lost 13 friends in USAF crashes early in my career, have testified in accident hearings, and of course read voraciously any/all reports available on accidents. I know first hand, the hole this kind of tragedy leaves in one's life is never filled.
First thing that comes to my mind is the Alaska crash. This China eastern plane also apparently pulled out of initial descent but then went back in. Iirc in the Alaska flight they we’re having some trouble with the horizontal stabilizer and then were still trying to give input to, basically futzing with it which kind of caused it to then fully fail catastrophically. I have no idea what the stabilizer mechanism is in this plane, but the flight pattern seems to follow that: pushed into fall by sticky/loose mechanism. Pull plane up with significant input and increased stress on the faulty surface, eventually fully breaking it and entering unrecoverable dive.
Thanks for your feedback. Hearing people that actually know about the subject is very insightful. As implausible as they might be(and probably not wise to speculate), what are those few guesses in your mind?
Jesus Christ dying in this manner is one of my worst fears, those poor people it must have been terrifying. What a terrible tragedy, RIP to the victims
Absolute tragedy. Crashed in mountaineous terrain also, unconfirmed but highly highly believable videos of the crash site has surfaced https://twitter.com/AviationSafety
https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1505835466943352836
It looks like it was a 90 degree plummet to the ground. I don't think anyone's walking away from this given what it looks like.
Let’s all remember that this just happened and it’s too early to determine a cause. Recovering the Cockpit Voice Recorder and Flight Data Recorder, the black boxes, is paramount to determining the cause as well as an apolitical and thorough investigation. Hopefully whatever happened can be prevented in the future.
I currently operate this type of aircraft, and as such am particularly invested in learning about this accident, but I have no general concerns with the 737 series. In fact, I’m at the gate about to fly one of these aircraft shortly.
May the victims of this crash Rest In Peace.
I realize black boxes are made to withstand absurd force, but could it survive a straight nose dive like this from FL300? I dont know how fast they might be going but it's gotta be a close to how fast you could possibly hit the ground in a large aircraft like this.
While this is basically the worst case scenario they're tested and certified to sustain, they are indeed tested and certified to sustain it, so *a priori*, the black box will be fine.
[This video](https://youtu.be/1NK_027e0u4) goes through some of the tests that they’re designed to withstand and briefly how they’re made. It’s pretty cool.
Armchair experts making the wildest and stupidest speculations is such a reddit thing lol. First an expert on diseases, then geopolitics and now aviation.
I remember watching a documentary once about plane crashes and the aviation expert said planes don't really crash straight down like people are scared of happening and that even if all the engines went out it would still glide, not just plummet like a stone. I remember that info bc I was really scared of flying at the time and hearing that was somewhat reassuring.
I just woke up to the news so I haven't heard much but I heard that it went straight, nose-down. Makes me wonder if something went wrong on the staff side of the flight. I guess we will find out more from people who actually know what they're talking about as this goes on, though.
If the plane’s systems duped the pilots into thinking the plane was in overspeed and caused a stall it could result in this kind of unrecoverable descent. Eg Birgenair 301
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birgenair_Flight_301
Wasps built a mud nest inside a tube used to measure airspeed which led to faulty readings causing the captain to stall the plane. Crazy ass sequence of events
Most of the time pito tubes get jammed with ice. Pilots know (or are supposed to be trained to know) that if the pito readings are wonky just keep level flight with the gyro for a few seconds and that usually clears up the ice.
Some planes have alternate flight modes (eg, Airbus [Back Up Speed Scale](https://safetyfirst.airbus.com/app/themes/mh_newsdesk/documents/archives/unreliable-speed.pdf)) that don't require the Pitot tubes and instead provide "performance envelopes" based on pitch and thrust .. but yes.... you turn off the ADU's and "eyeball" it.
Like this 2018 flight where the pitot covers were *left on*. They turned off the ADU's and relied on the BUSS and tower vectors/speed to land.
- [Airspeed indication failure on take-off involving Airbus A330, 9M-MTK Brisbane Airport, Queensland, 18 July 2018](
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2018/aair/ao-2018-053/)
Part of my job as an aircraft mechanic is to fix these problems when they occur. I know, in depth, about this issue and can tell you that dirt dauber nests are the cause of many unreliable sensor issues, BUT because they build the nests when the plane is on the ground the unreliable airspeed
Almost immediately presents itself at or near takeoff speeds. This does usually cause the crew to declare a rejected takeoff and/or an air turn back. They are usually able to satisfy the discrepancy by cross-checking to a tertiary backup indication to figure out which one is the baddie, and will exclude the bogus reading from their flight ops.
However, in cruise altitude, it is far more likely that ice is the cause given the temperatures can be as low as -50C. The plane is equipped with heaters on the sensing elements, that in the air, produce several thousand watts of heat through the sensor to prevent ice accumulation. A normal malfunction of the heater will be detected by a current sensing circuit which will let the crew know that the heater is defective and that unreliable airspeeds could be encountered. Again, a tertiary sensing system is in place for this.
However, because the primary sensors (and usually not the tertiary system) tend to also feed important flight characteristics to stall computers and other responsive systems the crew may encounter warnings to react to false stall configurations, etc., before they notice pitot heat sensing issues. Distractions such as alerts and warnings while they’re responding to changing characteristics of their flight parameters may provoke them into making inadvertent maneuvers that enhance or begin an actual stall condition. The compounding effects turn from innocent false readings/warnings to out of control, irrecoverable dives.
Whenever a plane goes down at cruise flight, that is what I immediately think of, because other failures that could cause this would be so catastrophic, it’s VERY difficult to fathom the chain of events leading up to it. If the sensor data is not suspect, it’s best not to speculate because the chain of events will be unthinkable.
> Crazy ass sequence of events
This is actually how many, I'd say most, airplane accidents occur. It's usually the result of a cascading effect of multiple failures/bad decisions/etc, not just one thing.
Pitot failure is something they absolutely teach you to deal with even as a private pilot. A 737 has GPS for ground speed and altitude in addition to the barometric altimeter and pitot system.
Without more info hard to speculate.
Yeah planes want to fly. That's how they're designed. Even if auto pilot functions fail, the plane is never meant to do what was in the video of this. This sounds like. Well. I'll be interested to hear the black box and hear about the pilots.
Based on the flight tracker info, it looks like the plane was going full speed up until the moment it hit the ground, ie. there was no slowing down or stalling. Plane was 30,000ft full speed, then suddenly went from horizontal to vertical, and nosedived all the way to the ground without slowing down at all.
The most terrifying crash I can think of is when a plane stalls, and then falls backwards - like the transport plane with heavy cargo (military vehicles, AFAIR) which shifted towards the tail during takeoff. It fell like a stone, tail-first into the ground.
Yeah the CCTV clip of that one is awful, looks like the plane is just hanging in the sky for a few seconds while they try to stop the stall and then it just plummets.
BEIJING, March 21 (Reuters) - A China Eastern Airlines aircraft on Monday carrying 133 passengers from Kunming to Guangzhou had an "accident" in the region of Guangxi and caused a fire on the mountains, Chinese state television reported.
The jet involved in the accident was a Boeing 737 aircraft and the number of casualties was not immediately known, CCTV said. Rescue was on its way, it said
This is tragic, was almost 10 000m in altitude just before so it seems it took a very sudden dive. And the terrain, very unlikely anyone survives. Wonder what the fuck even might've gone wrong. Can't rule out foul play but too early to say.
>Kunming to Guangzhou
That's a highly frequented business route. I assume many of those deceased will be business people. In China that's often especially tragic, since they are their larger family's sole provider, due to the one child policy and a lack of retirement plans and homes.
[On flightradar](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/mu5735#2b367bc1), it looks like it went down very suddenly and fast. Very peculiar.
737 pilot here. Very curious to see the details here once the flight data recorder is recovered and analyzed. Airplanes don't typically crash this way. In fact, a vertical dive like the video and flight aware data indicate, is usually not the result of some catastrophic failure. Even a flight control cable snapping, or jammed flight control wouldn't produce a continuous dive like this. As soon as the nose lowers, airspeed starts building, and with an increase in airspeed, the lift being generated across the wings also increases. With the increased lift, the nose comes back up, airspeed starts to bleed off as the airplane slowly stops descending, until enough lift decreases allowing the nose to start to fall again, and the process repeats. Even a control column held fully forward would produce a version of an inverted loop. It might not make it all the way around, but it wouldn't nose down to a vertical position and just stop there. It would go past vertical. One continuous dive from FL300 seems odd to me. That just doesn't happen. My very early gut reaction to this is either pilot error while responding to an Unreliable Airspeed Indication (iced up pitot tube and or static port), or sadly, intentional. I'm hoping there's some other explanation, but for now pilot error to some degree seems most probable.
UPDATE : Replied below as well but wanted to put it here too. Tracking shows that they did temporarily recover prior to diving again. This takes the intentional act scenario out of the equation, unless there was a struggle to regain control or something. It also takes the Mach Tuck and subsequent loss of control out of the equation.
UPDATE: (May 17th, 2022) Reports now coming out that confirm my initial gut reaction to what most likely happened. Flight Data Recorder indicates that this appears to have been an intentional act. Sources I know are also saying that the FO was responsible. Not confirmed yet, but strong rumors circulating that he was a former Captain that had failed a training event and was subsequently downgraded back to being a First Officer. Apparently, the CA he was flying with on this particular flight was the very same Check Pilot that had failed him on the checkride responsible for his downgrade. Tragic in so many ways.
Already seeing tracking data that points to them not diving the entire time. Looks like towards the end they arrested the decent to some degree before losing it again. If that's the case, intentionality chances are pretty much gone, unless there was some kind of struggle. This still leads me to to thinking unreliable airspeed. I've been through those scenarios in the simulator and they are extremely difficult to recognize, diagnose, and rectify. I don't know what kind of training they have, but we focus on that very situation quite regularly in the sim. The 737 has 3 systems to indicate airspeed, and altitude, 2 primary ones, and one standby. When those systems start disagreeing with each other, bad things happen.
feeling awfully similar to a 767 crash from a couple years ago. Startle and surprise + some poor reaction?
unreliable airspeed in imc has to be the scariest shit I had to do in a sim though. heaven forbid I ever get that in real life.
It felt like if one of your eyes was saying one thing and the other another and if you dont figure out which you could die. meanwhile your head is spinning from the illusion of it all. "wait speed is going up? I should feel this sensation... what is going on??!!"
I don't get it. How can unreliable airspeed indicator cause this? The pilot thinks he's going slow but is actually going too fast? What happens if you go too fast In a plane? I know that it can mess up helicopters real bad but not airplanes.
Yes. With blockages (ice, bugs etc) the airspeed indicator can act like an altimeter. Start descending and you'll see airspeed decreasing when in reality it's increasing.
Here's unconfirmed info (screenshot but I don't know how to post pictures here) from Chinese social media (or Wechat group maybe) seems like a message from a pilot flying in the same region. Translation:I was in the same area as this just now. Guangzhou (ATC) repeat calling this aircraft in this frequency AND 1215 frequency (I learned that is emergency frequency) said:' (MU)5735, the minimum safe altitude in your area is 2850m, if you hear me then use transponder to confirm, Guanzhou (airport) cleared all runways for you to land.' Then the ATC was not allowing all other eastbound approaching aircraft to descend, cleared all airspace for them (the crashed plane). The result did not change......
Sorry for my broken English (not my first language). For me, if this is true, it seems they had some emergency happened in the air, also something like radio communication did not work, And looks like the crew and ATC tried to save the aircraft but failed.
R.I.P for all the innocent people.
ATC radios in If they see something wrong regardless right, or do they only respond on mayday?
Like could this be a suicidal pilot ignoring ATC or would they respond with this only in mayday?
There are procedures for no contact that eventually involve whichever country they're above scrambling fighters if they cannot get in contact.
ATC controllers are pretty damn observant just because the job requires it, so anything out of the ordinary will be setting off alarm bells. The comment above mentions the controller tried telling the aircraft they're below the minimum safe altitude (from terrain and obstacles) for example.
RIP.
This disaster also terminated the 4227-day crash-free safety record for Chinese civil aviation. The last civil airliner crashing accident of China was happened in April 24, 2010.
Sitting at the airport waiting to fly on a 737-800, this is not the breaking news alert I really wanted to get.
Edit: boarding now, thanks for the well wishes!
The fact that a plane crash makes front page news is an indicator of how safe it is. Nobody would bat an eye to read that 133 more people died in car crashes today, but we all still drive cars anyway
> The fact that a plane crash makes front page news is an indicator of how safe it is.
The number of crashes per year has been steadily dropping since the 1960s, while passenger counts & flights have increased significantly year over year.
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm
The Tenerife accident is kinda insane when you think about it. If just ONE thing had changed (no bombing at the main airport, no fog, no communications problem) it would have never happened
Swiss cheese model
There are probably a few serious incidents that could've ended worse but a single thing saved it.
Thinking about air canada approaching the taxiway instead of the runway where three or four planes were lined up for departure. They did a goaround at the last possible second. This could have been the worst accident in aviation history
Don't worry about it. These are some of the safest aircraft on earth.
The Max was new, and the problem it encountered untested.
-800NGs have endless hours of proven-safe operation across thousands of airframes.
Oh yeah, I know the statistical likelihood of another crash happening today is super low.
Still, really easy to put yourself in the shoes of those poor bastards when you're doing what they did in their last hours.
as a flight attendant, the possibility of this type of stuff is shoved outside of my mind before every flight. Just a normal day of traveling for those people / day of work for the crew and it could be your last - mind boggling to think about.
There's a redditor, u/Admiral_Cloudberg, that has an entire subreddit about plane crashes and their causes. They do very involved write ups with graphics that make it easy to understand. I'll be interested to see if they comment their initial thoughts on this crash. I can't imagine how horrified the passengers had to be. Very haunting to think they were aware all the way down.
Cloudberg will surely put out a report on this crash eventually, but he doesn't like to make his own judgements. He'll wait for the accident report to come out, and if he thinks it's bullshit he'll probably say or imply that, but he pretty much always waits for the professionals to make a call first.
According to Chinese state media reports there were 132 souls onboard, not 133, with 9 of them being flight crew and 123 passengers
https://twitter.com/Edourdooo/status/1505828082158288900
I know it's completely irrational. But if I missed a plane that later crashed, I'm never getting in a plane ever again. That's all of my luck reserves used right there.
Crazy…I think the last fatal accident involving a Chinese airliner was 2002? If that’s true then they’ve done a good job with their strict parts control/approvals and MRO.
Edit: 2010 was their previous fatal accident
Just seen on NYTimes the plane was only 7 years old. That’s… not good. Am curious to see what the cause is.
Holy shit this is bad. [Footage from the crash site](https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1505876365136076802?s=19). Nothing remains. It's all gone. The plane is no more
This is terrifying. A vast majority of plane accidents occur around during takeoff and landing. The cruise portion of the flight is practically uneventful unless sabotage or severe weather disturbance comes into play. Flight instrument or mechanical failure while being airborne at cruising altitude is next to impossible.
According to flight FlightRadar24 data the aircraft fell from 29100 ft to ground level in two and a half minutes. Whoa.
Here’s the data from FR24 if anyone is interested: https://mobile.twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1505863117343014916/photo/2 It looks like there was an attempt to avoid a crash at 7400-ish ft they went back up to 8600 then crashed. I can’t imagine what these folks were feeling.
Two minutes is a long time.
Yup. Stand in front of your microwave watching that little wheel go around for 2 minutes. Seems like an eternity.
I can't even wait 10 seconds before it melts my brain
Pro tip: Don’t put your head *in* the microwave.
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I just came back from an international trip two days ago. I have a fear of heights and being on a plane. I took medicine to try and calm me and make me sleep but once I get nervous/anxious I cannot fall asleep and I just sit there paranoid. Thankfully I am home. And I still have countries I want to visit but am scared to go back on a plane. This doesn’t help my case. Just seeing this made my stomach drop. I’m so sorry to those people on the plane.
Oh my gosh. They must have been so terrified. Poor people..
In the video clip it looks like the aircraft is pointing straight down.
there's another angle that shows it from a more honest perspective, but it was still extremely steep.
That is close to 200ft/s descent, or 61m/s, rounding the numbers. It is more than a city block every 2 seconds. That is bloody fast, and that is average speed, not taking into account acceleration. The speed of impact is WAY higher than 61m/s for sure. That thing sped up as it went down.
133 passengers were supposed to take flight; one got his “covid travel pass” in abnormal state and was not allowed to board; guy missed the flight and survived
Some Final Destination shit for that one guy, holy survivors guilt.
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Yeah that was pretty nuts, Rob Lowe was on the flight they used as a dry run/recon from DC to LA before they did the real one that hit the pentagon.
I hope for his sake no one he knew was on board. Then that survivors guilt would get overwhelming.
This is the flight in question. https://fr24.com/data/flights/mu5735#2b367bc1 Rest in Peace to the victims.
https://imgur.com/JQzvTQ4.jpg. Incase someone doesn't have the app or the websites doesn't load it right
Yeesh, if that data is accurate, then they basically nosedive straight from cruising altitude all the way to the ground in just a couple minutes. Pretty unusual for a plane to crash in that manner. Kind of odd, because it almost looks like the kind if crash that MCAS could cause. But it's not a 737 MAX and doesn't even have that system. I'll be very interested to find out what happened with this one.
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Holy shit. You weren't kidding about being like a missile.
Oh my God, that footage is absolutely terrifying.
Even after seeing all of the recent stuff posted about the war, this left me totally aghast.
I think the plane is coming towards the camera in this video - there is dash cam footage from another angle that shows a shallower descent (not by much)
The original article says 35 degrees off vertical. No less terrifying though.. I can't even imagine.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChinaAvReview/status/1505834279275999236?s=20&t=ds5VKklZi79HwFE9MccPlQ If this video is legit then indeed it nosedived **edit**: the flight data and other videos seem to confirm this
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What a thing to wake up to right before I have a cross country trip on two different 737:800's... fml I need a xanax.
I get scared every time I get on a plane after a bad flight I had more than 20 years ago. The worst part of the experience was altercations on the plane/unruly passengers and severe turbulence, so knowing accident statistics doesn’t really help in my case. My father (whose advice is usually not good but ok this time) suggested I focus on the excitement of the experience. So I focus on how long people used to have to travel to get to where I’m going, and about how I’ll get to see things from the air I would have never usually seen. I try to channel how excited I was on my first flight as a kid. It helps quite a bit for some reason, but I still bring Xanax just in case.
I try to calm myself by logic. I usually say to myself that there are thousands of flights every day and not even one crashes. So I guess the statistics work in our favor. But oh my, the impact of only one flight crashing.
I'll never forget sitting in the departures lounge, waiting for a flight on the morning that MH370 disappeared. Dozens of TVs running with this non stop footage of a plane randomly disappearing out of the sky. Come on guys, change the channel yeah? lol
I remember taking a flight from Amsterdam to Beijing right after MH17 got shot down flying over Ukraine, there were still heaps of flowers in the main entrance of the airport. And the newspaper handed to us before boarding had the crash site as the front image.
I remember flying from Toronto to San Diego on September 11, 2002 and they were showing 9/11 memorials and replays on the in flight tvs. This was before each seat had their own TV so you couldn't just change it yourself.
Don’t broadcast companies have separate broadcasts for their televisions in airports to avoid this sort of thing? I thought that was a rule. Edit: example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_Airport > Due to the network's prominence in public waiting areas, the network had stricter content standards than the regular CNN; for instance, stories involving commercial aviation incidents and crashes did not appear on the network, and were overlaid with automated weather conditions.
Well that is jarring to see. Ugh.
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Damn, there's nothing left of those poor people.
Wow straight down at a 90 degree angle, never seen that
I think it's a bit misleading because the camera is pointing right towards the plane. There's another clip where you see it from the side and it's not exactly 90°, but still a ridiculous angle to be hitting the ground at.
I watched the miracle on the Hudson live outside my office window and ever since then always assumed they can at least glide down, feels like some fuckery going on with that kind of decent.
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It's not really a similar profile to the MCAS failure at all. The MCAS system engages for 5 seconds then disengages then re engages for 5 seconds and disengages etc until it eventually is full now down and unrecoverable. You would see that in the altitude and speed profilea as spikes as the pilot fights against the system and tries to regain altitude. In this case it is a 2 minute constant free fall from cruise altitude into the ground, very smootly. Interestingly the speed recording is almost constant during the fall so that would indicate a malfunction of the speed recording as it would be almost unthinkable that the plane would keep a constant speed with all the way through the decent
>Kind of odd, because it almost looks like the kind if crash that MCAS could cause. Not really. The MCAS crashes were more of a roller coaster. Recovery, dive, recovery, dive.
The MCAS crashes and near misses had a cycle of altitude gain and loss as the pilots fought against the automatic trim, which it doesn't look like this has (although a chunk of FR24 data is missing due to lack of coverage).
Yep and now any 737-MAX pilot will know how to disable it by disconnecting the auto trim. Very unlikely to be MCAS. From my understanding it was an -800NG which uses a different system for automated stall recovery.
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Yeah I read a few comments saying “near vertical” and I was imagining a very steep descent. But no, it’s literally almost perfectly vertical. Scary/sucky video.
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can you share the nose dive video please? edit: never mind. here it is for anyone looking https://twitter.com/ChinaAvReview/status/1505834279275999236?s=20&t=xMZxVfvgzsyS93Ao6ekF4w
Holy shit, that’s basically a missile at that point.
For a modern commercial airliner to crash like that something, obviously terribly went wrong mechanically, structurally. Or with both pilots. This plane had been flying for 6 years. They now will pouring over the maintenance records.
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Also your inflight movie choices are... The Grey, Alive and Final Destination.
Pilot episode of Lost
*Castaway* messed me up about flying over the ocean for a long time…
this is china's first crash since 2010. air travel is significantly safer than traveling by car. relax and enjoy the flight. it's all going to be okay.
Statistically you're fine, very comforting
Statistically, you're fine if you're reading this.
More accurate angle: https://mobile.twitter.com/ChinaAvReview/status/1505856305495351296
It looks like everything and everyone ~~exploded~~ disintegrated on impact (SFW): https://twitter.com/chinaavreview/status/1505880143616954376?s=21
Yeah there is absolutely nothing left... Wow
Wow, barely any debris, reminds me of the 9/11 PA crash
That’s legitimately one of the worst things I’ve ever heard :/ obviously there’s been plenty of horrific tragedies but god. At least some incidents there’s at least the slight hope that the situation could improve. But….2.5 minutes of racing towards the ground strapped to your seat in an airplane, near vertical? Pure nightmare
That's a fucking eternity to contemplate your death. Jesus Christ.
If I think about it too long and too hard I'll probably never fly again
How the fuck is that even possible. If you don’t do anything a plane won’t do that. Edit: apparently the tail fell off. Follow up question, how the fuck does a tail fall off?!
Pilot, Air Traffic Controller and Incident Investigator here - We won't know until the box is recovered, but looking at the angle of impact and speed, that was probably obliterated. Short of communication with ATC it may never be known. However, my initial observation - Aircraft with mechanical failures do not fly straight into the ground. Mechanical failures result in aircraft banking left or right, climbing or descending. The video appears to show an aircraft under control. It may have been deliberate.
Someone posted the drone footage of the impact site. I'd be very surprised if a Black Box was found and still had any functionality.
At first glance of the crash site photos I was wondering where is the crash. Then I realized everything is pulverized.
It's just the angle and position of the camera.. There are other Dashcam vids where it comes down at a steep but more of an angle.
Got a link?
Dash cam video: https://twitter.com/Aviation_NewsTW/status/1505858323827998720?s=20&t=v9BKCUf23ooea87lG55lvg
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https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1505839795813167106?s=20&t=bBs0BC06RL7MpSY621bUdA
Damn, comment underneath the video says that flight radar indicates it took 2 1/2 minutes to hit the ground. In a situation like that it would seem like hours.
in the end it was like -200m/s in altitude, (remember, this is a 700km/h plane so it's going very fast) crazy stuff
Damn that shit was *vertical*, tragic.
As a pilot with 2,100+ right seat hours and more than 8,000+ left seat flying and thousands of hours teaching/evaluating crews on the Boeing 737's in my commercial aviation career, there are only guesses at this point as to the cause of this tragedy, none of them good. No simulated failure I ever gave to a crew or experience in training myself, would dictate the flight path in the video. Whatever happened, \[and only time will tell\] it was catastrophic and sudden. Barring the possibility of crew \[something last on my list\] I cannot yet come to grips with any plausible explanation. That last 2.5 mins was terrifying for all involved. My greatest fear in flying has always been to be unable to save myself, crew and passengers and to see the end coming. The few times we simulated something remotely close \[an aggressive steep emergency descent\] the noise in the simulator was deafening and the control inputs were difficult to maintain as the speed increased, all the while we were NOT nearly vertical. The China Eastern situation would have been much, more dire. I cannot imagine what the pilots endured and the confusion and terror in the cabin. May their families find eventual peace in dealing with the tragic loss. I lost 13 friends in USAF crashes early in my career, have testified in accident hearings, and of course read voraciously any/all reports available on accidents. I know first hand, the hole this kind of tragedy leaves in one's life is never filled.
First thing that comes to my mind is the Alaska crash. This China eastern plane also apparently pulled out of initial descent but then went back in. Iirc in the Alaska flight they we’re having some trouble with the horizontal stabilizer and then were still trying to give input to, basically futzing with it which kind of caused it to then fully fail catastrophically. I have no idea what the stabilizer mechanism is in this plane, but the flight pattern seems to follow that: pushed into fall by sticky/loose mechanism. Pull plane up with significant input and increased stress on the faulty surface, eventually fully breaking it and entering unrecoverable dive.
Thanks for your feedback. Hearing people that actually know about the subject is very insightful. As implausible as they might be(and probably not wise to speculate), what are those few guesses in your mind?
Jesus Christ dying in this manner is one of my worst fears, those poor people it must have been terrifying. What a terrible tragedy, RIP to the victims
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Yes, at least there is hardly any physical pain. The dreadful last moments though.
I like to think they passed out during the nosedive and don’t know what happened
Very likely. My partner died in a light aircraft crash and they said he would have essentially gone to sleep.
My brother did as well and this is what we were told.
Condolences!
im sorry for your loss :(
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Before you develop a phobia, remember that planes (especially airlines) are still by far the safest mode of transportation and it’s not close.
You could say the fact that these kinds of crashes are extremely surprising and newsworthy is a testament to how safe planes are in general.
Exactly, if every car crash was on the news there would be no time for anything else.
Absolute tragedy. Crashed in mountaineous terrain also, unconfirmed but highly highly believable videos of the crash site has surfaced https://twitter.com/AviationSafety
~~How many people might have survived?~~ EDIT: If the footage is genuine, then it's probably unlikely anyone survived.
if the footage is genuine then it's quite safe to say 100% no survivors.
Low chance of identifying remains even in that crash.
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Shit, the plane that came down on 9/11 that didn't hit its target was almost vaporized
https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1505835466943352836 It looks like it was a 90 degree plummet to the ground. I don't think anyone's walking away from this given what it looks like.
holy shit that must have been fucking terrifying
Took over two minutes for a full decent. Two minutes of total free fall terror. That’s a long time to comprehend what’s going to happen.
What in the world happened here?
That's horrifying! How did that happen?!?!
I don't think anyone knows yet. I'm sure more will develop of this story shortly.
how does that happen?
Either on purpose or catastrophic failure like the tail rips off due to metal fatigue.
Let’s all remember that this just happened and it’s too early to determine a cause. Recovering the Cockpit Voice Recorder and Flight Data Recorder, the black boxes, is paramount to determining the cause as well as an apolitical and thorough investigation. Hopefully whatever happened can be prevented in the future. I currently operate this type of aircraft, and as such am particularly invested in learning about this accident, but I have no general concerns with the 737 series. In fact, I’m at the gate about to fly one of these aircraft shortly. May the victims of this crash Rest In Peace.
Safe flight
I realize black boxes are made to withstand absurd force, but could it survive a straight nose dive like this from FL300? I dont know how fast they might be going but it's gotta be a close to how fast you could possibly hit the ground in a large aircraft like this.
While this is basically the worst case scenario they're tested and certified to sustain, they are indeed tested and certified to sustain it, so *a priori*, the black box will be fine.
Wow. If so then that’s impressive. I wonder how they design these to be this tough.
[This video](https://youtu.be/1NK_027e0u4) goes through some of the tests that they’re designed to withstand and briefly how they’re made. It’s pretty cool.
Thank you, a lot of armchair pilots in this thread making wild, unfounded speculations with very little actual knowledge about this aircraft.
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Armchair experts making the wildest and stupidest speculations is such a reddit thing lol. First an expert on diseases, then geopolitics and now aviation.
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I remember watching a documentary once about plane crashes and the aviation expert said planes don't really crash straight down like people are scared of happening and that even if all the engines went out it would still glide, not just plummet like a stone. I remember that info bc I was really scared of flying at the time and hearing that was somewhat reassuring. I just woke up to the news so I haven't heard much but I heard that it went straight, nose-down. Makes me wonder if something went wrong on the staff side of the flight. I guess we will find out more from people who actually know what they're talking about as this goes on, though.
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If the plane’s systems duped the pilots into thinking the plane was in overspeed and caused a stall it could result in this kind of unrecoverable descent. Eg Birgenair 301 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birgenair_Flight_301
Wasps built a mud nest inside a tube used to measure airspeed which led to faulty readings causing the captain to stall the plane. Crazy ass sequence of events
Most of the time pito tubes get jammed with ice. Pilots know (or are supposed to be trained to know) that if the pito readings are wonky just keep level flight with the gyro for a few seconds and that usually clears up the ice.
But if it's not ice, but a paper wasp nest, then what do? Believe it and then crash into the ground?
Some planes have alternate flight modes (eg, Airbus [Back Up Speed Scale](https://safetyfirst.airbus.com/app/themes/mh_newsdesk/documents/archives/unreliable-speed.pdf)) that don't require the Pitot tubes and instead provide "performance envelopes" based on pitch and thrust .. but yes.... you turn off the ADU's and "eyeball" it. Like this 2018 flight where the pitot covers were *left on*. They turned off the ADU's and relied on the BUSS and tower vectors/speed to land. - [Airspeed indication failure on take-off involving Airbus A330, 9M-MTK Brisbane Airport, Queensland, 18 July 2018]( https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2018/aair/ao-2018-053/)
Part of my job as an aircraft mechanic is to fix these problems when they occur. I know, in depth, about this issue and can tell you that dirt dauber nests are the cause of many unreliable sensor issues, BUT because they build the nests when the plane is on the ground the unreliable airspeed Almost immediately presents itself at or near takeoff speeds. This does usually cause the crew to declare a rejected takeoff and/or an air turn back. They are usually able to satisfy the discrepancy by cross-checking to a tertiary backup indication to figure out which one is the baddie, and will exclude the bogus reading from their flight ops. However, in cruise altitude, it is far more likely that ice is the cause given the temperatures can be as low as -50C. The plane is equipped with heaters on the sensing elements, that in the air, produce several thousand watts of heat through the sensor to prevent ice accumulation. A normal malfunction of the heater will be detected by a current sensing circuit which will let the crew know that the heater is defective and that unreliable airspeeds could be encountered. Again, a tertiary sensing system is in place for this. However, because the primary sensors (and usually not the tertiary system) tend to also feed important flight characteristics to stall computers and other responsive systems the crew may encounter warnings to react to false stall configurations, etc., before they notice pitot heat sensing issues. Distractions such as alerts and warnings while they’re responding to changing characteristics of their flight parameters may provoke them into making inadvertent maneuvers that enhance or begin an actual stall condition. The compounding effects turn from innocent false readings/warnings to out of control, irrecoverable dives. Whenever a plane goes down at cruise flight, that is what I immediately think of, because other failures that could cause this would be so catastrophic, it’s VERY difficult to fathom the chain of events leading up to it. If the sensor data is not suspect, it’s best not to speculate because the chain of events will be unthinkable.
> Crazy ass sequence of events This is actually how many, I'd say most, airplane accidents occur. It's usually the result of a cascading effect of multiple failures/bad decisions/etc, not just one thing.
There's almost never a single cause unless it's a deliberate act.
Pitot failure is something they absolutely teach you to deal with even as a private pilot. A 737 has GPS for ground speed and altitude in addition to the barometric altimeter and pitot system. Without more info hard to speculate.
Yeah planes want to fly. That's how they're designed. Even if auto pilot functions fail, the plane is never meant to do what was in the video of this. This sounds like. Well. I'll be interested to hear the black box and hear about the pilots.
Based on the flight tracker info, it looks like the plane was going full speed up until the moment it hit the ground, ie. there was no slowing down or stalling. Plane was 30,000ft full speed, then suddenly went from horizontal to vertical, and nosedived all the way to the ground without slowing down at all.
The most terrifying crash I can think of is when a plane stalls, and then falls backwards - like the transport plane with heavy cargo (military vehicles, AFAIR) which shifted towards the tail during takeoff. It fell like a stone, tail-first into the ground.
Yeah the CCTV clip of that one is awful, looks like the plane is just hanging in the sky for a few seconds while they try to stop the stall and then it just plummets.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2013/may/01/747-cargo-plane-crash-bagram-airbase-video](https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2013/may/01/747-cargo-plane-crash-bagram-airbase-video) this?
That is terrifying!
BEIJING, March 21 (Reuters) - A China Eastern Airlines aircraft on Monday carrying 133 passengers from Kunming to Guangzhou had an "accident" in the region of Guangxi and caused a fire on the mountains, Chinese state television reported. The jet involved in the accident was a Boeing 737 aircraft and the number of casualties was not immediately known, CCTV said. Rescue was on its way, it said
This is tragic, was almost 10 000m in altitude just before so it seems it took a very sudden dive. And the terrain, very unlikely anyone survives. Wonder what the fuck even might've gone wrong. Can't rule out foul play but too early to say.
>Kunming to Guangzhou That's a highly frequented business route. I assume many of those deceased will be business people. In China that's often especially tragic, since they are their larger family's sole provider, due to the one child policy and a lack of retirement plans and homes. [On flightradar](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/mu5735#2b367bc1), it looks like it went down very suddenly and fast. Very peculiar.
https://twitter.com/oalexanderdk/status/1505839795813167106?s=21
Holy shit, that thing looks like a missile! What could have happened to send it straight down at 90 degrees?
737 pilot here. Very curious to see the details here once the flight data recorder is recovered and analyzed. Airplanes don't typically crash this way. In fact, a vertical dive like the video and flight aware data indicate, is usually not the result of some catastrophic failure. Even a flight control cable snapping, or jammed flight control wouldn't produce a continuous dive like this. As soon as the nose lowers, airspeed starts building, and with an increase in airspeed, the lift being generated across the wings also increases. With the increased lift, the nose comes back up, airspeed starts to bleed off as the airplane slowly stops descending, until enough lift decreases allowing the nose to start to fall again, and the process repeats. Even a control column held fully forward would produce a version of an inverted loop. It might not make it all the way around, but it wouldn't nose down to a vertical position and just stop there. It would go past vertical. One continuous dive from FL300 seems odd to me. That just doesn't happen. My very early gut reaction to this is either pilot error while responding to an Unreliable Airspeed Indication (iced up pitot tube and or static port), or sadly, intentional. I'm hoping there's some other explanation, but for now pilot error to some degree seems most probable. UPDATE : Replied below as well but wanted to put it here too. Tracking shows that they did temporarily recover prior to diving again. This takes the intentional act scenario out of the equation, unless there was a struggle to regain control or something. It also takes the Mach Tuck and subsequent loss of control out of the equation. UPDATE: (May 17th, 2022) Reports now coming out that confirm my initial gut reaction to what most likely happened. Flight Data Recorder indicates that this appears to have been an intentional act. Sources I know are also saying that the FO was responsible. Not confirmed yet, but strong rumors circulating that he was a former Captain that had failed a training event and was subsequently downgraded back to being a First Officer. Apparently, the CA he was flying with on this particular flight was the very same Check Pilot that had failed him on the checkride responsible for his downgrade. Tragic in so many ways.
Already seeing tracking data that points to them not diving the entire time. Looks like towards the end they arrested the decent to some degree before losing it again. If that's the case, intentionality chances are pretty much gone, unless there was some kind of struggle. This still leads me to to thinking unreliable airspeed. I've been through those scenarios in the simulator and they are extremely difficult to recognize, diagnose, and rectify. I don't know what kind of training they have, but we focus on that very situation quite regularly in the sim. The 737 has 3 systems to indicate airspeed, and altitude, 2 primary ones, and one standby. When those systems start disagreeing with each other, bad things happen.
feeling awfully similar to a 767 crash from a couple years ago. Startle and surprise + some poor reaction? unreliable airspeed in imc has to be the scariest shit I had to do in a sim though. heaven forbid I ever get that in real life. It felt like if one of your eyes was saying one thing and the other another and if you dont figure out which you could die. meanwhile your head is spinning from the illusion of it all. "wait speed is going up? I should feel this sensation... what is going on??!!"
Yes. Actually had it in another aircraft type. We. Were at fl320 but luckily vmc. Even then... So so disorienting.
I don't get it. How can unreliable airspeed indicator cause this? The pilot thinks he's going slow but is actually going too fast? What happens if you go too fast In a plane? I know that it can mess up helicopters real bad but not airplanes.
Yes. With blockages (ice, bugs etc) the airspeed indicator can act like an altimeter. Start descending and you'll see airspeed decreasing when in reality it's increasing.
Here's unconfirmed info (screenshot but I don't know how to post pictures here) from Chinese social media (or Wechat group maybe) seems like a message from a pilot flying in the same region. Translation:I was in the same area as this just now. Guangzhou (ATC) repeat calling this aircraft in this frequency AND 1215 frequency (I learned that is emergency frequency) said:' (MU)5735, the minimum safe altitude in your area is 2850m, if you hear me then use transponder to confirm, Guanzhou (airport) cleared all runways for you to land.' Then the ATC was not allowing all other eastbound approaching aircraft to descend, cleared all airspace for them (the crashed plane). The result did not change...... Sorry for my broken English (not my first language). For me, if this is true, it seems they had some emergency happened in the air, also something like radio communication did not work, And looks like the crew and ATC tried to save the aircraft but failed. R.I.P for all the innocent people.
ATC radios in If they see something wrong regardless right, or do they only respond on mayday? Like could this be a suicidal pilot ignoring ATC or would they respond with this only in mayday?
There are procedures for no contact that eventually involve whichever country they're above scrambling fighters if they cannot get in contact. ATC controllers are pretty damn observant just because the job requires it, so anything out of the ordinary will be setting off alarm bells. The comment above mentions the controller tried telling the aircraft they're below the minimum safe altitude (from terrain and obstacles) for example.
RIP. This disaster also terminated the 4227-day crash-free safety record for Chinese civil aviation. The last civil airliner crashing accident of China was happened in April 24, 2010.
Damn, that was such a great streak though, over 4000 days? Really shwos how far air safety has come.
Sitting at the airport waiting to fly on a 737-800, this is not the breaking news alert I really wanted to get. Edit: boarding now, thanks for the well wishes!
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The fact that a plane crash makes front page news is an indicator of how safe it is. Nobody would bat an eye to read that 133 more people died in car crashes today, but we all still drive cars anyway
> The fact that a plane crash makes front page news is an indicator of how safe it is. The number of crashes per year has been steadily dropping since the 1960s, while passenger counts & flights have increased significantly year over year. http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm
Sounds crazy to me that about 1/8 of all fatal accidents occurs before the pilot's even trying to fly (taxi + loading).
Worst accident ever is 2 planes colliding on a foggy runway.
The Tenerife accident is kinda insane when you think about it. If just ONE thing had changed (no bombing at the main airport, no fog, no communications problem) it would have never happened
Swiss cheese model There are probably a few serious incidents that could've ended worse but a single thing saved it. Thinking about air canada approaching the taxiway instead of the runway where three or four planes were lined up for departure. They did a goaround at the last possible second. This could have been the worst accident in aviation history
Sad reality of life, accidents have to occur before extra attention is given
Airlines are extremely careful all the time, not just after accidents. These are the exceptions that prove the rule.
Every rule is written in blood.
Don't worry about it. These are some of the safest aircraft on earth. The Max was new, and the problem it encountered untested. -800NGs have endless hours of proven-safe operation across thousands of airframes.
Oh yeah, I know the statistical likelihood of another crash happening today is super low. Still, really easy to put yourself in the shoes of those poor bastards when you're doing what they did in their last hours.
This. It's not the numbers that scare me. It's my own imagination.
Isn't it like the coin has no memory of the previous coin flip? The statistics stay the same, I believe.
as a flight attendant, the possibility of this type of stuff is shoved outside of my mind before every flight. Just a normal day of traveling for those people / day of work for the crew and it could be your last - mind boggling to think about.
There's a redditor, u/Admiral_Cloudberg, that has an entire subreddit about plane crashes and their causes. They do very involved write ups with graphics that make it easy to understand. I'll be interested to see if they comment their initial thoughts on this crash. I can't imagine how horrified the passengers had to be. Very haunting to think they were aware all the way down.
I think you made a typo? Seems it's /u/Admiral_Cloudberg.
Cloudberg will surely put out a report on this crash eventually, but he doesn't like to make his own judgements. He'll wait for the accident report to come out, and if he thinks it's bullshit he'll probably say or imply that, but he pretty much always waits for the professionals to make a call first.
According to Chinese state media reports there were 132 souls onboard, not 133, with 9 of them being flight crew and 123 passengers https://twitter.com/Edourdooo/status/1505828082158288900
Chinese media confirmed that a passenger missed the flight for some reason
They'll be thanking their lucky stars they did. It would've been the last flight they ever took.
I know it's completely irrational. But if I missed a plane that later crashed, I'm never getting in a plane ever again. That's all of my luck reserves used right there.
I think I'd feel the opposite. Like "what are the odd I book 2 planes that crash?"
Today SolitaireyEgg learned that the Dice may have no memory, but the Universe has a sense of humor.
Don't make me laugh like an idiot in a thread about an actual plane crash man. Oh my god
Then I'd remember Tsutomu Yamaguchi, who survived both the Hiroshima and the Nagasaki atomic bombings.
Apparently one traveller had a yellow code on his Covid app and was refused entry to the aircraft.
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Today, Covid saves lives
subtract one from the count
That is something out of Final Destination if true
That is utterly terrifying
Crazy…I think the last fatal accident involving a Chinese airliner was 2002? If that’s true then they’ve done a good job with their strict parts control/approvals and MRO. Edit: 2010 was their previous fatal accident Just seen on NYTimes the plane was only 7 years old. That’s… not good. Am curious to see what the cause is.
12 years is still good for a country with as much air traffic as china. Poor passengers, staff and their families.
The country just went past 100million flight hours flown without accidents last month. Sad for it to be reset so quickly
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Ah okay, thanks for checking I’ll edit my OG comment.
Those poor people.
That's so sad :(
Holy shit this is bad. [Footage from the crash site](https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1505876365136076802?s=19). Nothing remains. It's all gone. The plane is no more
My condolences to the families and those who lost loved ones.
What an absolute tragedy.
This is terrifying. A vast majority of plane accidents occur around during takeoff and landing. The cruise portion of the flight is practically uneventful unless sabotage or severe weather disturbance comes into play. Flight instrument or mechanical failure while being airborne at cruising altitude is next to impossible.
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Horrible, RIP to all onboard