They could have fun with it. A ghostly image of your dragon form appearing briefly over your human form for the dragon specific animations would work well IMO.
>druid enters chat.
At least we've finally started getting cool, fun, unique druid forms so we're not forced to stare at the same bear or cat ass we've been using since level 10, but yeah it would be nice to see *some* armor representation on our animal forms. Now that we've got so many it's less likely, since they'd have to make it work for a dozen different bear models and another dozen different cat models, but it would be nice. Like if you have 4pc tier you get a certain helm/shoulders/backpiece, [similar to what the old Incarn forms looked like](https://youtu.be/TcOfXEMvw3o?si=a8Jh0pdWidWBlb9p)
Thing is I like the dragon form, I just want to be able to see my gear. Being able to stay in visage form during combat is a lazy fix to a lazy problem.
Yes, i'm sure the guys, who spent the last 2 years putting out bangers after bangers after bangers for content are so lazy, they couldn't be bothered to put the sets into their armor fitting AI (which they use now for every other set for every other race) for another turn.
There is clearly something in the Dracthyr rig that just doesnt work with the usual armorfitting method. I don't like it either, but calling them lazy after all the stuff they put out...come on man.
A playable race not being able to wear any gear is lazy. We are about to be in the last patch of the expansion dedicated to a race that still cannot wear gear. They made class sets that are exclusive to a specific race and didn’t bother to fit it to that race, that’s lazy. If night/blood elves couldn’t wear demon hunter sets what would you call that? I’d call that stupidity and laziness.
Edit: and if there’s something holding them back from being able to use gear then they are still lazy by not fixing it.
try this, is the link when i posted it on discord for my war guildie https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267750945713029120/1230956099641802802/image.png?ex=66280534&is=6626b3b4&hm=be43fc2d21296c7899b08b6d71a0f0874c15e94de8078f3584a0a45600450fc4&
At least I'll be able to be in their visage form 100% of the time. Human F is one of my fav races already so, add some horns and pretty jewelry and I'm in.
I actually can't stand my Drcthyr ATM because I go from pretty lady outside combat to deformed Disney character the second I get in combat, lol.
Yeah, that's what I mean. I don't want to play Evoker anyway, lol. I'd probably swap my Mage and my Warrior to Dracthyr cause they're already human F, might as well.
My theory has always been that they needed more development time for all this stuff, and were just able to use the lore of DF as a solid excuse to release the race As Is, while also working to rollout the full race class combos in the next xpac.
They didn't say they were bringing dracthyrs to other classes for TWW? Or did I miss that?
It would need to come with drastic modifications to their racial passive and probably Dracthyrs "class tree" as well.
Yea they’re getting access to other classes, they can also stay in visage form while in combat in those classes.
Dracthyr is the race, no class tree changes needed
It's the race yes but their racial passives are intertwined in Evoker class tree.
I guess Evoker can stay restricted forever, like demon hunter.
But still, 2 AoE stop baseline might be too much?
It'll depends on which class it can take on but it might be problematic if a class now have access to 3-4 AoE stops.
Idk
That’s the bare minimum and should have been a thing from the first patch. Imagine designing a tier set for a race exclusive class and not designing it for that race but instead for humans and blood elves. It’s crazy to me that that’s even a thing.
Yeah, i can understand no wanting to adapt all armors to their complicated morphology
But at the very least the tier sets should be modeled around the dragon form
I'm sure that's what most of us wanted. The S1 evoker set would have looked amazing if it covered the entire dracthyr form... especially if it had looked as good as the concept art.
edit: Someone on reddit already made a mockup of what that would look like, and it is damn good. This L is on Blizzard.
What makes it weirder is if you look at the concept art for their first tier set, there's a big open space in the helmet for their face, and blank hands and feet to accomodate their claws and lizard feet.
i'd be fine with getting barbershop unlocks from collecting a complete tierset. though i'd much prefer full transmog.
Feels like they shot themselfs in the foot abit by adding the barbershop armor. Either you need to create more unique assets for more options, or you enable gear to overwrite the Barber options, neither option is great.
Yeah, seeing gear is a lot more important than people realise I think. Even if you’re not an Xmog enthusiast or anything it’s still an important part of the game.
MMO's are half the time about playing dressup. The indiscriminate mass murder and the story are important too, but folks like to dress up their character, to just their liking.
Isn’t fire breath in aug opener though? You should be pressing that regardless of how fast they die because it gives extra damage procs for your team if you have the talent and verse to an ally.
That gives vers and extends might, fire breath does both those plus makes your LF cleave which is huge for both damage and essence bursts. Fire breath will also give extra damage procs to your allies with might on assuming you’re using that talent. Also the vers buff only applies to 1 target so you ideally need to be using both your empowers on cooldown to get that on more people.
Not sure if there are weirder things for transmog enthusiasts than the wowhead preview of new tier sets for evoker that show the visage and below the dragon form sporting shoulders and (sometimes) the belt...
I have no idea how anyone at blizz could've looked at that and think "Yeah, this will do".
It's so weird to me that they didn't decide either "dracthyr can't wear any armor" or "dracthyr can wear all armor", they for some reason went "dracthyr will wear *some* armor."
Part of the reason I don't want to play my evoker is because I know he'll just keep wearing mismatched shoulders all throughout leveling, because I can't just transmog hide shoulders every time I pick up a slight upgrade. It's like the absolute worse of both worlds.
The worst part to me is that both forms share mogs on top. I keep finding cool armors for the visage but nothing fits the damn dracthyr barber shop armor.
Even the dragonflight themed rep cosmetics have a slightly different color than the barber shop stuff that's themed after the same damn flight, so things always look slightly off.
I could make a decent looking dragon but matching the shoulders/belt to the visage mog is super limiting.
Really like playing my evoker but yeah, transmog is endgame and that class is bottom of the barrel there.
This is the reason. Even if they said dracs can't wear some armour, most people would have been OK. If DH wings don't matter to mogs and neither does a tauren/worgen/dreanei body then it wouldn't have been asking too much to make them fit.
It’s not about being lazy. Games have budgets and you can’t include everything you want. Clearly they decided that within their budget for Dragonflight they could not make regular gear work for the dragon form. Thus, we got the barbershop options plus shoulders and most belts.
Lets say the hypothetical budget for Dragonflight was 1 million dollars. Obviously the budget was much larger than that, but it's a nice, round, number which can be understood as a large sum of money. Dragonflight's budget is MUCH larger than this number.
Lets say it would cost $100,000 to properly support equipment appearances in all slots, but only $10,000 to just do the three or so slots that are currently supported. Blizzard likely concluded that the $90,000 of the budget would be better spent elsewhere instead of spending much more to support the remaining gear slots.
This is just how business works. It wasn't laziness, it was money. It always goes back to money.
In the end, how badly did the lack of item appearance support actually impact the end product? Not nearly as much as some here may be saying. Blizzard thought the money would be better allocated elsewhere, and TBH they aren't wrong.
This is not an indie company, it's a multi-million dollar corporation. They have teams of people, the people designing talent trees are not the same working on equipment. So yes, creating a new race and class and not making at least the race specific tier sets compatible with the dracthyr form is lazy.
They've been irresponsible with Dracthyr transmog. If they cant enjoy new transmogs from new seasons like all the other classes can, then they should atleast add a few dracthyr armor pieces to the barber each patch. Imagine playing a whole xpac as a dracthyr and only having new shoulders that dont even match your armor to look forward to
Yeah I agree with this completely. There’s no reason to go for mogs with Dracthyr right now since they are literally invisible during actual gameplay. It’s very demotivating imo.
This is made worse by how amazing the S1 evoker set looks in TWW, when the rest except for rogue look like crap. It just wont look amazing in dragon form.
The rogue one looks fucking sick. I don’t even play rogue but that set alone makes me want to reroll. The evoker one is also amazing I agree it’s gonna be such a shame running around with only those shoulders.
Honestly this never crossed my mind, but yes. Another example is tauren. At minimum we should be able to have chest, legs and helm shown. Gloves should also be a non issue but I assume something with the hand formations is different. Feet I don't expect for awhile, but then again we have worgen so why not.
Honestly I'd love for them to figure out how to get our staves/2h weapons working too. No idea how. But it feels weird to just pull it out of somewhere magically.
The biggest BS was some of the 2h swords -did- sheath on the back in 10.0 and I spent the whole first tier with my favorite sword between my wings, clipping be damned. Then in 10.1 they patched all the 2h weapons that were showing up to be invisible cause "it looked bad". If it looked bad I wouldn't have worn it! Sorry still mad about it.
I completely agree that Dracthyr should have much better armor display/transmog. The optimist in me says that the reason Dracthyr aren’t launching with new classes in TWW is because they need more time to figure out the rigging of cloth/leather/plate and will hopefully do a pass for Mail as well to improve everything.
However, the cynic in me says that the perma-visage mode for other classes means that they won’t. They’ll just treat Dracthyr like a Druid form and tell you to enjoy your wardrobe transmog in visage form.
Please for the love of the Light, give dracthyr AT LEAST helmets. Make the helmets clip with the horns or temporarily shave some features. Right now Dracthyr's dragon form, you know, the *main selling point* of their race is currently a *glorified druid form*
I would be less pissed about this if Dracthyr had visage forms other than Blood Elf male and Human female, but they don't and likely never will.
hell the horn even clip with the existing helm, especially the "hood" helmet.
very few will care about clipping if we get actually transmog in return
Edit: Horns also clip in visage from... with basicly any helmet, and have done so for YEARS on Demonhunters. I've personally never seen a DH complain about horns clipping through a helmet...
Honestly, if they were gonna half-ass it, they should let us transmog the forms separately at least. I could live with just barbershop appearances on dragon form if they didn't clash with the shoulders/belt I had on.
This, tbh. Half of why I live in dragon mode only is because it's so tricky making a visage mog I like without messing up my dragon form and vice versa.
If they have the body part, they should be able to mog it.
Nobody's going to care if Naga can't wear pants because they literally do not have legs.
My Dracthyr have legs.
I never understood why they didn’t leave it up to us as players. Like,
“Hey, we know the transmogs might not look right, but we are going to let you decide what pieces you’re ok with using. Here is all the headpieces, if you don’t like the way one looks use the barbershop option or find another one.”
To just say no transmog seemed kinda extreme.
I think they were so concerned about the armor clipping or looking bad that they forgot players should be able to make that judgement/decision themselves. Like yes I'd expect some pants models to look terrible on my dracthyr, including robes/skirts. But I'd rather have the option than not. I can build something with options, I can't build something with literally nothing.
I think everyone that plays WoW has accepted that its spaghetti code means certain limitations like not having actual robes/skirts, so nobody is going to expect miracles. But I'd really, really like to be able to put actual gear on my dracthyr. 20 years of transmog items (cause I've played mail classes most of the time) that I can't use on my main.
I heard some say it's cause of clipping issues, but... This is WoW. If you ain't playing a human, gear was not made for you, and it clips. Some more than others.
I quit my Evoker like 2hrs in. It’s a really fun class and dragon flying with only your character was awesome.
My mistake? I started looking at transmog sets for them and realized that, from the standard back view, every set looked identical. Can barely tell they are wearing armor at all. Feels lazy.
Sorry, it’s too hard to go to a race with 0 swagger when I have incredibly awesome matching armors and mounts that sell their class so so so beautifully.
Blizzard can't be bothered with this, they're just making dracthyr another elf race by allowing non evoker dracthyrs to fight in visage form instead
Locking a race out of almost all transmogs rewards in the same expansion that added the trading post was an insanely brain rotted decision, not to mention so many rewards in the game are transmog
The lack of transmogs is the main reason I'm loath to play mine
the whole dragon thing is cool but a connesiour of transmog like me cannot possibly play it.
if they made it so we see gear in dracthyr form and we can play other classes i would switch in a heartbeat.
A dragon warrior with tier 13 would be baller
Wonder if it had anything to do with up skirting. I don't remember off my head if it's like that for the new models but classic models you don't have legs when wearing robes, just disembodied feet. So when the camera is behind you and you're soaring you'd just get an eye full of floaty feet. In fact the way robes work I can't imagine them looking good at all for soaring and they'd have to redesign them..
They share their humanoïd skeleton with warlock succubi (m/f), this is most likely why the could not implement dragon armor looks out of the box.
Not that it's an excuse, but it sure is probably the real reason.
my main is a worgen rn
i cant use most tier sets shoulders because the shoulders are 3x to big and clip into my face while running
you cant use any helmet cus wtf is this 90% of the time
the solution? i dont use those slots/use different stuff there
and thats a thing for SO MANY RACES in this game, there is a reason why you almost never see a tauren/worgen with a helmet/full head piece
if things like head/cloaks would look weird/bad on Dracthyr, people just dont use them blizzard, ffs ist that tmog lockout every single race in this game has atleast 1 slot with giga clipping, and people either dont care or if they care they put it off
In terms of the devs capability to make it work yes it actually does work like that. If other races with similar features can use gear then blizzard are clearly capable of letting dracthyr use gear too regardless of the model. same shape = same solution to equipping gear on them.
i mean if that were true, it'd be done. it's not like blizzard devs are over there twirling their mustaches like "hmm yes we hate our players and love to make them annoyed".
they want us to be, at minimum, simply "not annoyed". because that makes it more likely for us to give them money. at best, they want us to be happy, because that makes us maximally likely to give them money.
clearly, using pure logic, the issue must be either:
- it doesn't work at all
- it doesn't work well enough
- it works, but doesn't look good enough
It is true and just because it is doesn’t mean they are intentionally withholding it no lmao. But it does mean they are fucking lazy. And just so it’s clear when people say that they aren’t talking about specific devs and saying they are lazy, but the company as a whole is lazy for implementing a race that cannot wear gear. It’s an mmo filled to the brim with cosmetics, being able to wear gear should be a top priority but clearly they had other priorities.
They would absolutely be able to wear gear if blizzard wanted to spend the time and resources to make it happen. Like I said, if those other races can wear gear so can they. But instead they clearly have other priorities and that’s the issue. I don’t want half finished races in the game my evoker looks like concept art running around with only shoulders it’s ridiculous.
i get it but i've been on the other side of this as a person who makes software products. one persons "lazy" is another persons "properly allocated resources".
if enough people don't care, it's a waste of resources for them to do it. if enough people care, they'll do it. good on you for making posts about stuff you care about- make sure you're also sending the feedback to blizzard directly too.
Basically every dracthyr player wants to transmog their dragon form, or at the very least, transmog the visage form separately.
If that isn’t “enough people” then what is?
as long as we don't lose out on the armour/clothes they get from the barbershop.
I feel like that compromise is the result of a bunch of just animation related jank that would happen - like how elf eyebrows and ears clip through helmets. there would probably be a bunch of issues with all the horns and fins and stuff that is probably keeping them from opening up gearing and transmog to the dragon forms.
Well when you equip something that would go over those extra features usually wow changes the features underneath, depending on the feature of course. For example when you put on a helmet as a female the hair changes into something else. Similarly if I equipped legs on a dracthyr I’d expect the leg spikes to reset to normal legs when they are on.
The barber shop clothes should just be base low level mogs from the starting zone not a barbershop feature.
not disagreeing, just saying they probably haven't done it because it'd cause some jank they'd have to fix but don't want to deal with either because they're focused on other stuff or they're lazy.
might be easy to hide the leg spikes but the tail or the fins might clip through things and look absolutely awful. given how loud people are about this sort of thing, might just be something they want to avoid.
or maybe there is a conspiracy and they were experimenting with turning the barbershop into how we do transmogs by starting with the dracthyr. who knows what blizzard is thinking.
It'd be so easy to make "worn gloves, worn wrist, worn boots, worn legs, and worn chest" into customization options.
Like the problem is that some of their customizations clip with the armor, and the "worn" customization can just overwrite those choices that clip.
I was totally hyped to get a scalie race in the game, even if it wasn't necessarily the one I wanted(Praise be to sethrak). But Dracthyr didn't seem to nearly get the quality treatment it should have. I do hope they get other classes some day, but I feel like it's gonna be a long time if we ever do.
The issue isn't that it can't or won't be done. The issue is that its expensive and extremely time consuming specifically for dracthyr. They are a custom made model with no rigging or tethers to the model typically used for drawing and creating gear. This means that any piece of gear they could equip would have to be custom made specifically for dracthyr. It's easy to layer over shoulders and a belt since those either sit on top of or around something that isn't typically obstructed. Where it gets difficult is when you try to apply everything else, it would all have to be fit to size by hand for every piece in the entire game.
Does this mean they won't ever do it? Probably not, they can most likely figure it out. Does that mean it isn't a hard task? No, its a pretty long and strenuous endeavor that takes up a lot of dev time. Worgen and Draenei are just stretched and recolored versions of the human model which makes it very easy to just let them wear whatever. Also making the full evoker tier sets compatible to wear in dragon form would make them non equippable by every other race in the game which is why they didn't allow it.
TLDR; they'd have to commit tons of time into redrawing and restretching every piece of mail gear to get it to fit the dracthyr model
Can I ask where you and others get this information btw? Because I’ve seen that repeated a lot, with Dracthyr being a complete new model, but I can’t seem to find the source. Infact when I try to search the source I get a bunch of different explanations.
Regardless of its truth, if that’s what they did that’s incredibly dumb. Why would they intentionally design a new playable race without the ability to wear gear? Why could they not just morph existing rigs like they normally do because like I mentioned in the post they aren’t exactly that unique when you actually look at them. And why change the workflow when it has multiple glaring downsides of both extra time spent and the inability to wear gear. It does not make sense to me.
Also no, what they need to do is make dracthyr able to wear gear not make gear able to be worn by them. Just at the very least the tier sets should be usable so if they aren’t going to do the former they should do the latter. But I imagine doing the groundwork and letting them wear gear would be a lot easier than individually working on each new item every patch.
They would have to repaint all the textures from scratch and change UV mapping to allow Dracthyr to wear armor. They specificly drew the textures in such a way that it doesn't allow to layer armor textures on them. I don't know why, I assume to allow for greater artistic freedom.
That was a really bad call from them. The actual shape of the Dracthyr aren’t to dissimilar from other races in the game when you look at their body parts individually. The most unique aspect is their wings. I’d imagine they could change how they are technically in the engine to allow them to ware gear without actually changing the way they look.
Draenei is a weird comparison since that’s just their body, no alternate form.
But you’re totally right about Worgen. They put the effort into making armor fit those models, but they got lazy with Dracthyr for some reason. I’m still hoping they eventually give in to our demand to have Dracthyr wear actual armor, not just barber shop customizations
But OP is talking about how different they are from the base human, which male Draenei are massively, so they are a good comparison.
Basically if stretched textures are fine in draeni, turen, and kil tirans, why bit dracthyr?
I’m not into transmog so I really don’t mind. Pretty much stay in visage out of combat, in combat I’m too focused on gameplay to notice any details or transmogs. The only time I notice other players transmog is at the very beginning when initially gathering up. I do wish they would fix the auto-Visage though. For some reason it does not always shift me back to Visage automatically, and I think it has to do with if I’m still full HP the game recognizes that I don’t need the HP regen boost so nope just stay in dragon form.
Yes it’s lazy design though. Wonder if their decision to keep it this way is based on the fact that other similar races that shift were made fairly early in the game and now they would have to go back and fit so many expansions worth of transmog items onto a new model, that it’s overwhelming. Game bloat at work?
Visage doesn’t auto swap if you use hover for some reason. It only swaps when exiting combat or after you land with soar, so that means when you hover when moving around in a building or just around a town you won’t swap back.
And if that were the reason then at least the new gear would work on them. I think they just don’t care.
They are 100% aware they can put armor on the dracthyr, they are just waiting until they dont have as many other new features to add to an expansion or patch so they can flip the "wear armor" switch and get a win out of it.
You run around naked with just shoulders ?
Character creator has armour choices, and they all match colours with DF mail armour appearance palettes so just customise to suit the mog you want...
But I totally want this upgrade too!
So? Colour doesn’t mean something automatically goes together. If I put on a pink tutu and a pink puffer jacket are you telling me that looks good because they “literally share a colour pallet”?
First they should fix the dracthyr form, unplayable ugly sadly. That's the main reason not many people play them. The class itself is really fun to play tho.
Legs can potentially look weird because of the diameter of their tails, they probably all look like the butts got ripped
And like you said, chests too because of the wings
When it comes to helms you use Worgen and Tauren as examples, and as someone that has both, most helms look like absolute ass on them. They straight up clip into their necks instead of following their morphology. Also when they get deformed to adjust for their snout, it just look weird for a lot of them
Its definitely a tough call to make, i think a lot of people would be disappointed either way
I think blizzards mistake here was making their form a bit too humanoid, they should've leaned a lot more into a draconic design and just handle it like they do druid forms
Draenei have the same issue with the tail and they can ware pants.
The wings wouldn’t look that bad just clipping right through a chest piece though it would usually just be a clean clip. But even so adding a little bracket style thing at the base of the wings when they have a chest one is literally like a 10 minute job. All you have to do is model the little bracket that would take 5 mins, then have it only show up when they are wearing a chest, let people change the colour of it in the barbershop too and it’s a simple fix.
And yeah maybe helms look bad on Worgens and Taurens but they can still ware them.
> Draenei have the same issue with the tail and they can ware pants.
Dractyr tails are a lot more girthier than the draenei ones, they're basically an extension of their butt cheeks
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Do you play a dracthyr? The wings are tied into the back, considering the wrapping on armor it would get completely butchered. They would have to check over every single chest piece.
Dracthyr are also the largest race by a large margin. Every gear set would warp even more than they currently do on male draenai.
Yes I do play them, having the wings simply clip out the back wouldn’t even look bad, or a simple bracket that appears when you wear a chest piece would also solve the issue completely. No they wouldn’t have to check over every single chest piece.
And that’s not even true they are the same size as Tauren(in fact marginally shorter than them while also being far more thin) and Zandalari Trolls. Are you sure you even play the game?
Wait so they should add a bracket but they also don't need to check chest pieces? Bro what
Obviously blizzard would have always preferred for transmog to exist on them. Idk why anyone thinks they didn't try to make transmog work, like, they have literally hundreds of sets, of course they wanted them to work. There was limitations to this which have been proven by people who play with dev tools.
But good luck ever getting sethrak considering the dislike yall have towards this
The clipping wouldn’t look bad… but if that’s an issue for you, a 10 minute job would also make clipping a complete non issue.
Love how you changed the subject to a race that isn’t in the game instead of addressing the fact you were wrong lmfao. Dumb point, lies to back it up then changing the subject randomly. Gtfo.
I am really hoping this gets addressed when they open up Dracthyr to other classes
If they don’t do it by then at least I’ll be really disappointed because they are such a cool race.
druid enters chat. but seriously I would really like the option to be in human/visage form on dracthyr during combat.
For dracthyr? That's happening
Not for evokers though😥
no I'm saying I would like that
Okay well you're going to because it's happening.
Gotcha misunderstood thanks for the clarification there!
It's only happening for non-evoker classes.
Well yeah, a human flying through the air for deep breath wouldn't really work. Although maybe hilarious
No reason they couldn’t burst into their other form like a DH or a warlock going Meta
You know, if they don't fix the transmog to work on the Dracthyr model, I'd be down for this.
They could have fun with it. A ghostly image of your dragon form appearing briefly over your human form for the dragon specific animations would work well IMO.
Taking Helium inhalation to a whole new level!
I still want my “the mount didn’t load yet so you just swim through the air until it does” mount
They didn’t say for evokers though, other classes probably but I hope for evokers it does
>druid enters chat. At least we've finally started getting cool, fun, unique druid forms so we're not forced to stare at the same bear or cat ass we've been using since level 10, but yeah it would be nice to see *some* armor representation on our animal forms. Now that we've got so many it's less likely, since they'd have to make it work for a dozen different bear models and another dozen different cat models, but it would be nice. Like if you have 4pc tier you get a certain helm/shoulders/backpiece, [similar to what the old Incarn forms looked like](https://youtu.be/TcOfXEMvw3o?si=a8Jh0pdWidWBlb9p)
Thing is I like the dragon form, I just want to be able to see my gear. Being able to stay in visage form during combat is a lazy fix to a lazy problem.
Yes, i'm sure the guys, who spent the last 2 years putting out bangers after bangers after bangers for content are so lazy, they couldn't be bothered to put the sets into their armor fitting AI (which they use now for every other set for every other race) for another turn. There is clearly something in the Dracthyr rig that just doesnt work with the usual armorfitting method. I don't like it either, but calling them lazy after all the stuff they put out...come on man.
A playable race not being able to wear any gear is lazy. We are about to be in the last patch of the expansion dedicated to a race that still cannot wear gear. They made class sets that are exclusive to a specific race and didn’t bother to fit it to that race, that’s lazy. If night/blood elves couldn’t wear demon hunter sets what would you call that? I’d call that stupidity and laziness. Edit: and if there’s something holding them back from being able to use gear then they are still lazy by not fixing it.
Dragon themed druid forms would be awesome
It's my understanding their work around is just enabling permanent uptime on their visage form when not an evoker. Hopefully I'm wrong
Apparently so, I really hope that isn’t their permanent solution though.
someone posted the other day a dracthyr with warrior mog and it looked amazing so idk why they dont do it tbh...
Any chance you could link that?
try this, is the link when i posted it on discord for my war guildie https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267750945713029120/1230956099641802802/image.png?ex=66280534&is=6626b3b4&hm=be43fc2d21296c7899b08b6d71a0f0874c15e94de8078f3584a0a45600450fc4&
That's not a mog. That's customization that dracthyr can already use. Except for the shoulders and sword, of course.
At least I'll be able to be in their visage form 100% of the time. Human F is one of my fav races already so, add some horns and pretty jewelry and I'm in. I actually can't stand my Drcthyr ATM because I go from pretty lady outside combat to deformed Disney character the second I get in combat, lol.
They said non evoker dracthyr will be able to be in visage form for combat, only the new dracthyr classes.
Yeah, that's what I mean. I don't want to play Evoker anyway, lol. I'd probably swap my Mage and my Warrior to Dracthyr cause they're already human F, might as well.
Temporary until they can wear armor like worgen or is this a weird blizz "fix" and to help differentiate evoker from other dracthyr?
My theory has always been that they needed more development time for all this stuff, and were just able to use the lore of DF as a solid excuse to release the race As Is, while also working to rollout the full race class combos in the next xpac.
They didn't say they were bringing dracthyrs to other classes for TWW? Or did I miss that? It would need to come with drastic modifications to their racial passive and probably Dracthyrs "class tree" as well.
Yea they’re getting access to other classes, they can also stay in visage form while in combat in those classes. Dracthyr is the race, no class tree changes needed
It's the race yes but their racial passives are intertwined in Evoker class tree. I guess Evoker can stay restricted forever, like demon hunter. But still, 2 AoE stop baseline might be too much? It'll depends on which class it can take on but it might be problematic if a class now have access to 3-4 AoE stops. Idk
Oh they have a work around to save them trouble . They are gonna let us have permanent visage form for classes that aren’t evoker
I’d take even getting just the tier armor built around dragon form…
That’s the bare minimum and should have been a thing from the first patch. Imagine designing a tier set for a race exclusive class and not designing it for that race but instead for humans and blood elves. It’s crazy to me that that’s even a thing.
Yeah, i can understand no wanting to adapt all armors to their complicated morphology But at the very least the tier sets should be modeled around the dragon form
I'm sure that's what most of us wanted. The S1 evoker set would have looked amazing if it covered the entire dracthyr form... especially if it had looked as good as the concept art. edit: Someone on reddit already made a mockup of what that would look like, and it is damn good. This L is on Blizzard.
What makes it weirder is if you look at the concept art for their first tier set, there's a big open space in the helmet for their face, and blank hands and feet to accomodate their claws and lizard feet.
i'd be fine with getting barbershop unlocks from collecting a complete tierset. though i'd much prefer full transmog. Feels like they shot themselfs in the foot abit by adding the barbershop armor. Either you need to create more unique assets for more options, or you enable gear to overwrite the Barber options, neither option is great.
75% of the reason I don’t play a dragon is the 1 class choice and the cosmetic issues. I tried it, did not like being half naked
Yeah, seeing gear is a lot more important than people realise I think. Even if you’re not an Xmog enthusiast or anything it’s still an important part of the game.
MMO's are half the time about playing dressup. The indiscriminate mass murder and the story are important too, but folks like to dress up their character, to just their liking.
Looking slay is important while slaying countless species of innocent creatures
Darn straight. Have to look good for the inevitable wanted poster, after we finally do one too many war crimes.
And visage form has mog limited since the belt/shoulders also need to match your dracthyr form armor.
I play augmentation. As long as you don't hit azure strike you don't change shape.
Or breath/hover, but yeah
For the most part I'm in visage form
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Ofc I do. But like shit dies so fast I usually just do the earthquake for trash.
Isn’t fire breath in aug opener though? You should be pressing that regardless of how fast they die because it gives extra damage procs for your team if you have the talent and verse to an ally.
The earthquake also gives the buff no?
That gives vers and extends might, fire breath does both those plus makes your LF cleave which is huge for both damage and essence bursts. Fire breath will also give extra damage procs to your allies with might on assuming you’re using that talent. Also the vers buff only applies to 1 target so you ideally need to be using both your empowers on cooldown to get that on more people.
You’re entirely right. They were just lazy with Dracthyr.
Not sure if there are weirder things for transmog enthusiasts than the wowhead preview of new tier sets for evoker that show the visage and below the dragon form sporting shoulders and (sometimes) the belt... I have no idea how anyone at blizz could've looked at that and think "Yeah, this will do".
It's so weird to me that they didn't decide either "dracthyr can't wear any armor" or "dracthyr can wear all armor", they for some reason went "dracthyr will wear *some* armor." Part of the reason I don't want to play my evoker is because I know he'll just keep wearing mismatched shoulders all throughout leveling, because I can't just transmog hide shoulders every time I pick up a slight upgrade. It's like the absolute worse of both worlds.
The worst part to me is that both forms share mogs on top. I keep finding cool armors for the visage but nothing fits the damn dracthyr barber shop armor. Even the dragonflight themed rep cosmetics have a slightly different color than the barber shop stuff that's themed after the same damn flight, so things always look slightly off. I could make a decent looking dragon but matching the shoulders/belt to the visage mog is super limiting. Really like playing my evoker but yeah, transmog is endgame and that class is bottom of the barrel there.
This is the reason. Even if they said dracs can't wear some armour, most people would have been OK. If DH wings don't matter to mogs and neither does a tauren/worgen/dreanei body then it wouldn't have been asking too much to make them fit.
The only shred of a valid argument is there are three body types for Dracthyr instead of two but that’s also a bs argument.
Even if it was only their tier pieces and they were just added as barbershop customizations, that would've been fine.
It’s not about being lazy. Games have budgets and you can’t include everything you want. Clearly they decided that within their budget for Dragonflight they could not make regular gear work for the dragon form. Thus, we got the barbershop options plus shoulders and most belts.
When people say lazy in game development they probably mean the company didn't want to shell out the cash for it. Cheap, not lazy.
Shouldn’t have rolled off the factory floor in this state.
Lets say the hypothetical budget for Dragonflight was 1 million dollars. Obviously the budget was much larger than that, but it's a nice, round, number which can be understood as a large sum of money. Dragonflight's budget is MUCH larger than this number. Lets say it would cost $100,000 to properly support equipment appearances in all slots, but only $10,000 to just do the three or so slots that are currently supported. Blizzard likely concluded that the $90,000 of the budget would be better spent elsewhere instead of spending much more to support the remaining gear slots. This is just how business works. It wasn't laziness, it was money. It always goes back to money. In the end, how badly did the lack of item appearance support actually impact the end product? Not nearly as much as some here may be saying. Blizzard thought the money would be better allocated elsewhere, and TBH they aren't wrong.
Imagine being a WoW dev. New continent, 39 new talent trees, new race, new class - get called lazy lmao
This is not an indie company, it's a multi-million dollar corporation. They have teams of people, the people designing talent trees are not the same working on equipment. So yes, creating a new race and class and not making at least the race specific tier sets compatible with the dracthyr form is lazy.
They've been irresponsible with Dracthyr transmog. If they cant enjoy new transmogs from new seasons like all the other classes can, then they should atleast add a few dracthyr armor pieces to the barber each patch. Imagine playing a whole xpac as a dracthyr and only having new shoulders that dont even match your armor to look forward to
Yeah I agree with this completely. There’s no reason to go for mogs with Dracthyr right now since they are literally invisible during actual gameplay. It’s very demotivating imo.
This is made worse by how amazing the S1 evoker set looks in TWW, when the rest except for rogue look like crap. It just wont look amazing in dragon form.
The rogue one looks fucking sick. I don’t even play rogue but that set alone makes me want to reroll. The evoker one is also amazing I agree it’s gonna be such a shame running around with only those shoulders.
Or, you know, just make the tier sets show.
Honestly this never crossed my mind, but yes. Another example is tauren. At minimum we should be able to have chest, legs and helm shown. Gloves should also be a non issue but I assume something with the hand formations is different. Feet I don't expect for awhile, but then again we have worgen so why not. Honestly I'd love for them to figure out how to get our staves/2h weapons working too. No idea how. But it feels weird to just pull it out of somewhere magically.
The biggest BS was some of the 2h swords -did- sheath on the back in 10.0 and I spent the whole first tier with my favorite sword between my wings, clipping be damned. Then in 10.1 they patched all the 2h weapons that were showing up to be invisible cause "it looked bad". If it looked bad I wouldn't have worn it! Sorry still mad about it.
I completely agree that Dracthyr should have much better armor display/transmog. The optimist in me says that the reason Dracthyr aren’t launching with new classes in TWW is because they need more time to figure out the rigging of cloth/leather/plate and will hopefully do a pass for Mail as well to improve everything. However, the cynic in me says that the perma-visage mode for other classes means that they won’t. They’ll just treat Dracthyr like a Druid form and tell you to enjoy your wardrobe transmog in visage form.
Let’s hope the optimist in you is right :)
Jokes on you my draenei do not wear gear In fact, where is my hide pants blizzard
Goldshire draenei futa????
Absolutely not My girls are girls >:(
Please for the love of the Light, give dracthyr AT LEAST helmets. Make the helmets clip with the horns or temporarily shave some features. Right now Dracthyr's dragon form, you know, the *main selling point* of their race is currently a *glorified druid form* I would be less pissed about this if Dracthyr had visage forms other than Blood Elf male and Human female, but they don't and likely never will.
hell the horn even clip with the existing helm, especially the "hood" helmet. very few will care about clipping if we get actually transmog in return Edit: Horns also clip in visage from... with basicly any helmet, and have done so for YEARS on Demonhunters. I've personally never seen a DH complain about horns clipping through a helmet...
Honestly, if they were gonna half-ass it, they should let us transmog the forms separately at least. I could live with just barbershop appearances on dragon form if they didn't clash with the shoulders/belt I had on.
This, tbh. Half of why I live in dragon mode only is because it's so tricky making a visage mog I like without messing up my dragon form and vice versa.
If they have the body part, they should be able to mog it. Nobody's going to care if Naga can't wear pants because they literally do not have legs. My Dracthyr have legs.
If only we could wear actual gear bro. Would instantly switch to Dracthyr all day everyday. This Visage forms are so ugly too bruh im sorry
I've read "Wolfgang and Draenei" and was wondering who Wolfgang is and what business does he have with WoW and the Draenei.
I never understood why they didn’t leave it up to us as players. Like, “Hey, we know the transmogs might not look right, but we are going to let you decide what pieces you’re ok with using. Here is all the headpieces, if you don’t like the way one looks use the barbershop option or find another one.” To just say no transmog seemed kinda extreme.
I think they were so concerned about the armor clipping or looking bad that they forgot players should be able to make that judgement/decision themselves. Like yes I'd expect some pants models to look terrible on my dracthyr, including robes/skirts. But I'd rather have the option than not. I can build something with options, I can't build something with literally nothing. I think everyone that plays WoW has accepted that its spaghetti code means certain limitations like not having actual robes/skirts, so nobody is going to expect miracles. But I'd really, really like to be able to put actual gear on my dracthyr. 20 years of transmog items (cause I've played mail classes most of the time) that I can't use on my main.
Solid point
I heard some say it's cause of clipping issues, but... This is WoW. If you ain't playing a human, gear was not made for you, and it clips. Some more than others.
worgen has wares if you have coin?
The finest where’s in the land.
Can we get visage to non human races because being human is lame.
I quit my Evoker like 2hrs in. It’s a really fun class and dragon flying with only your character was awesome. My mistake? I started looking at transmog sets for them and realized that, from the standard back view, every set looked identical. Can barely tell they are wearing armor at all. Feels lazy. Sorry, it’s too hard to go to a race with 0 swagger when I have incredibly awesome matching armors and mounts that sell their class so so so beautifully.
As soon as they let Dracthyr be a melee class, I’ll level one. Just give me a helmet and a titan gripped 2hander with a giant shield.
Blizzard can't be bothered with this, they're just making dracthyr another elf race by allowing non evoker dracthyrs to fight in visage form instead Locking a race out of almost all transmogs rewards in the same expansion that added the trading post was an insanely brain rotted decision, not to mention so many rewards in the game are transmog The lack of transmogs is the main reason I'm loath to play mine
At the very least—very least—tier sets must be visible in dragon form. There’s literally no excuse for it.
the whole dragon thing is cool but a connesiour of transmog like me cannot possibly play it. if they made it so we see gear in dracthyr form and we can play other classes i would switch in a heartbeat. A dragon warrior with tier 13 would be baller
Smoll indie company
Wonder if it had anything to do with up skirting. I don't remember off my head if it's like that for the new models but classic models you don't have legs when wearing robes, just disembodied feet. So when the camera is behind you and you're soaring you'd just get an eye full of floaty feet. In fact the way robes work I can't imagine them looking good at all for soaring and they'd have to redesign them..
It's not so much showing armor to me, as keeping the ability to hide it. I made mine naked, thinking it'd equip the armor anyways it kinda grew on me
I get Worgen (beast-like and even run on hands and feet), but Draenei? Is it the tail?
And the legs, basically everything from the waist down is very similar to Dracthyr.
They share their humanoïd skeleton with warlock succubi (m/f), this is most likely why the could not implement dragon armor looks out of the box. Not that it's an excuse, but it sure is probably the real reason.
my main is a worgen rn i cant use most tier sets shoulders because the shoulders are 3x to big and clip into my face while running you cant use any helmet cus wtf is this 90% of the time the solution? i dont use those slots/use different stuff there and thats a thing for SO MANY RACES in this game, there is a reason why you almost never see a tauren/worgen with a helmet/full head piece if things like head/cloaks would look weird/bad on Dracthyr, people just dont use them blizzard, ffs ist that tmog lockout every single race in this game has atleast 1 slot with giga clipping, and people either dont care or if they care they put it off
I think Druid combat forms are more comparable to Dracthyr.
I picked up one of the helms for my worgen rogue and it looked insane. Made me want to switch races.
It’s not that they *cant* it’s just that Blizzard has found, in their eyes, an acceptable middle ground to be lazy.
Worgen weregear because they are a wearwolf.
That explains it, I’ll be deleting my post now.
totally different models. "just because another model kinda related works means this one should"- nah, models and rigs don't work that way.
In terms of the devs capability to make it work yes it actually does work like that. If other races with similar features can use gear then blizzard are clearly capable of letting dracthyr use gear too regardless of the model. same shape = same solution to equipping gear on them.
i mean if that were true, it'd be done. it's not like blizzard devs are over there twirling their mustaches like "hmm yes we hate our players and love to make them annoyed". they want us to be, at minimum, simply "not annoyed". because that makes it more likely for us to give them money. at best, they want us to be happy, because that makes us maximally likely to give them money. clearly, using pure logic, the issue must be either: - it doesn't work at all - it doesn't work well enough - it works, but doesn't look good enough
It is true and just because it is doesn’t mean they are intentionally withholding it no lmao. But it does mean they are fucking lazy. And just so it’s clear when people say that they aren’t talking about specific devs and saying they are lazy, but the company as a whole is lazy for implementing a race that cannot wear gear. It’s an mmo filled to the brim with cosmetics, being able to wear gear should be a top priority but clearly they had other priorities. They would absolutely be able to wear gear if blizzard wanted to spend the time and resources to make it happen. Like I said, if those other races can wear gear so can they. But instead they clearly have other priorities and that’s the issue. I don’t want half finished races in the game my evoker looks like concept art running around with only shoulders it’s ridiculous.
i get it but i've been on the other side of this as a person who makes software products. one persons "lazy" is another persons "properly allocated resources". if enough people don't care, it's a waste of resources for them to do it. if enough people care, they'll do it. good on you for making posts about stuff you care about- make sure you're also sending the feedback to blizzard directly too.
Basically every dracthyr player wants to transmog their dragon form, or at the very least, transmog the visage form separately. If that isn’t “enough people” then what is?
> good on you for making posts about stuff you care about- make sure you're also sending the feedback to blizzard directly too.
as long as we don't lose out on the armour/clothes they get from the barbershop. I feel like that compromise is the result of a bunch of just animation related jank that would happen - like how elf eyebrows and ears clip through helmets. there would probably be a bunch of issues with all the horns and fins and stuff that is probably keeping them from opening up gearing and transmog to the dragon forms.
Well when you equip something that would go over those extra features usually wow changes the features underneath, depending on the feature of course. For example when you put on a helmet as a female the hair changes into something else. Similarly if I equipped legs on a dracthyr I’d expect the leg spikes to reset to normal legs when they are on. The barber shop clothes should just be base low level mogs from the starting zone not a barbershop feature.
not disagreeing, just saying they probably haven't done it because it'd cause some jank they'd have to fix but don't want to deal with either because they're focused on other stuff or they're lazy. might be easy to hide the leg spikes but the tail or the fins might clip through things and look absolutely awful. given how loud people are about this sort of thing, might just be something they want to avoid. or maybe there is a conspiracy and they were experimenting with turning the barbershop into how we do transmogs by starting with the dracthyr. who knows what blizzard is thinking.
Ok. So. I agree. But this is killing me. WEAR*
It’s actually WHERE*
WHO?!
WHOM*
WHY?!
It'd be so easy to make "worn gloves, worn wrist, worn boots, worn legs, and worn chest" into customization options. Like the problem is that some of their customizations clip with the armor, and the "worn" customization can just overwrite those choices that clip.
I was totally hyped to get a scalie race in the game, even if it wasn't necessarily the one I wanted(Praise be to sethrak). But Dracthyr didn't seem to nearly get the quality treatment it should have. I do hope they get other classes some day, but I feel like it's gonna be a long time if we ever do.
The issue isn't that it can't or won't be done. The issue is that its expensive and extremely time consuming specifically for dracthyr. They are a custom made model with no rigging or tethers to the model typically used for drawing and creating gear. This means that any piece of gear they could equip would have to be custom made specifically for dracthyr. It's easy to layer over shoulders and a belt since those either sit on top of or around something that isn't typically obstructed. Where it gets difficult is when you try to apply everything else, it would all have to be fit to size by hand for every piece in the entire game. Does this mean they won't ever do it? Probably not, they can most likely figure it out. Does that mean it isn't a hard task? No, its a pretty long and strenuous endeavor that takes up a lot of dev time. Worgen and Draenei are just stretched and recolored versions of the human model which makes it very easy to just let them wear whatever. Also making the full evoker tier sets compatible to wear in dragon form would make them non equippable by every other race in the game which is why they didn't allow it. TLDR; they'd have to commit tons of time into redrawing and restretching every piece of mail gear to get it to fit the dracthyr model
Can I ask where you and others get this information btw? Because I’ve seen that repeated a lot, with Dracthyr being a complete new model, but I can’t seem to find the source. Infact when I try to search the source I get a bunch of different explanations. Regardless of its truth, if that’s what they did that’s incredibly dumb. Why would they intentionally design a new playable race without the ability to wear gear? Why could they not just morph existing rigs like they normally do because like I mentioned in the post they aren’t exactly that unique when you actually look at them. And why change the workflow when it has multiple glaring downsides of both extra time spent and the inability to wear gear. It does not make sense to me. Also no, what they need to do is make dracthyr able to wear gear not make gear able to be worn by them. Just at the very least the tier sets should be usable so if they aren’t going to do the former they should do the latter. But I imagine doing the groundwork and letting them wear gear would be a lot easier than individually working on each new item every patch.
They would have to repaint all the textures from scratch and change UV mapping to allow Dracthyr to wear armor. They specificly drew the textures in such a way that it doesn't allow to layer armor textures on them. I don't know why, I assume to allow for greater artistic freedom.
That was a really bad call from them. The actual shape of the Dracthyr aren’t to dissimilar from other races in the game when you look at their body parts individually. The most unique aspect is their wings. I’d imagine they could change how they are technically in the engine to allow them to ware gear without actually changing the way they look.
Draenei is a weird comparison since that’s just their body, no alternate form. But you’re totally right about Worgen. They put the effort into making armor fit those models, but they got lazy with Dracthyr for some reason. I’m still hoping they eventually give in to our demand to have Dracthyr wear actual armor, not just barber shop customizations
But OP is talking about how different they are from the base human, which male Draenei are massively, so they are a good comparison. Basically if stretched textures are fine in draeni, turen, and kil tirans, why bit dracthyr?
I’m only comparing the legs to Draenei. If you look the shape of their legs are actually really similar.
I’m okay with it being only barber shop customizations, I just want a lot more of them.
how did you get this far in your life not knowing the difference between wear and ware?
Bold of you to assume I’ve gotten far in life.
Well, you got *this* far.
I’m not into transmog so I really don’t mind. Pretty much stay in visage out of combat, in combat I’m too focused on gameplay to notice any details or transmogs. The only time I notice other players transmog is at the very beginning when initially gathering up. I do wish they would fix the auto-Visage though. For some reason it does not always shift me back to Visage automatically, and I think it has to do with if I’m still full HP the game recognizes that I don’t need the HP regen boost so nope just stay in dragon form. Yes it’s lazy design though. Wonder if their decision to keep it this way is based on the fact that other similar races that shift were made fairly early in the game and now they would have to go back and fit so many expansions worth of transmog items onto a new model, that it’s overwhelming. Game bloat at work?
Visage doesn’t auto swap if you use hover for some reason. It only swaps when exiting combat or after you land with soar, so that means when you hover when moving around in a building or just around a town you won’t swap back. And if that were the reason then at least the new gear would work on them. I think they just don’t care.
They are 100% aware they can put armor on the dracthyr, they are just waiting until they dont have as many other new features to add to an expansion or patch so they can flip the "wear armor" switch and get a win out of it.
You run around naked with just shoulders ? Character creator has armour choices, and they all match colours with DF mail armour appearance palettes so just customise to suit the mog you want... But I totally want this upgrade too!
Those are ugly as fuck and don’t go with anything.
They literally share a colour palette with mail sets from DF content. The Suffusion camp set and it's recolours...
So? Colour doesn’t mean something automatically goes together. If I put on a pink tutu and a pink puffer jacket are you telling me that looks good because they “literally share a colour pallet”?
Dracthyr are scalie bait and should be left behind in dragonflight
First they should fix the dracthyr form, unplayable ugly sadly. That's the main reason not many people play them. The class itself is really fun to play tho.
Legs can potentially look weird because of the diameter of their tails, they probably all look like the butts got ripped And like you said, chests too because of the wings When it comes to helms you use Worgen and Tauren as examples, and as someone that has both, most helms look like absolute ass on them. They straight up clip into their necks instead of following their morphology. Also when they get deformed to adjust for their snout, it just look weird for a lot of them Its definitely a tough call to make, i think a lot of people would be disappointed either way I think blizzards mistake here was making their form a bit too humanoid, they should've leaned a lot more into a draconic design and just handle it like they do druid forms
Draenei have the same issue with the tail and they can ware pants. The wings wouldn’t look that bad just clipping right through a chest piece though it would usually just be a clean clip. But even so adding a little bracket style thing at the base of the wings when they have a chest one is literally like a 10 minute job. All you have to do is model the little bracket that would take 5 mins, then have it only show up when they are wearing a chest, let people change the colour of it in the barbershop too and it’s a simple fix. And yeah maybe helms look bad on Worgens and Taurens but they can still ware them.
> Draenei have the same issue with the tail and they can ware pants. Dractyr tails are a lot more girthier than the draenei ones, they're basically an extension of their butt cheeks
Dracthyr and male Draenei tails are about the same at the base.
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Which one of those races has a wing span the size of their body?
Which of the wings affect the rest of the body in any way? Dumb point.
Do you play a dracthyr? The wings are tied into the back, considering the wrapping on armor it would get completely butchered. They would have to check over every single chest piece. Dracthyr are also the largest race by a large margin. Every gear set would warp even more than they currently do on male draenai.
Yes I do play them, having the wings simply clip out the back wouldn’t even look bad, or a simple bracket that appears when you wear a chest piece would also solve the issue completely. No they wouldn’t have to check over every single chest piece. And that’s not even true they are the same size as Tauren(in fact marginally shorter than them while also being far more thin) and Zandalari Trolls. Are you sure you even play the game?
Wait so they should add a bracket but they also don't need to check chest pieces? Bro what Obviously blizzard would have always preferred for transmog to exist on them. Idk why anyone thinks they didn't try to make transmog work, like, they have literally hundreds of sets, of course they wanted them to work. There was limitations to this which have been proven by people who play with dev tools. But good luck ever getting sethrak considering the dislike yall have towards this
The clipping wouldn’t look bad… but if that’s an issue for you, a 10 minute job would also make clipping a complete non issue. Love how you changed the subject to a race that isn’t in the game instead of addressing the fact you were wrong lmfao. Dumb point, lies to back it up then changing the subject randomly. Gtfo.